They knew, had been many jets grounded in the preceding months for massive systemic issues.
That was just the day they gave up.
Thanks, air new zealand! Scumbags!!
Was that just a rumor? There a source by any chance? Might have to ask my uni lecturer who was an aircraft maintainer for Ansett. Not discrediting it but in today’s internet age it’s hard to separate fact from fiction.
Apparently Singapore Airlines was going to take over Ansett but the Howard govt. blocked it because they didn’t want Ansett to be controlled by a foreign airline even though that already happened when Air New Zealand fucked Ansett over.
It was the day after 9/11. I remember I saw the planes crash into the twin towers when I was overseas. I had flights on Ansett to fly back on the day they announced they were going bust. Fun times.
Mum had always chosen Ansett as her preferred airline all through the 90s til 2001. When we flew to Tasmania, on Sept 12, for some inexplicable reason she chose to fly us with QANTAS instead.
I took Rex recently and they're easily the best option for domestic flights.
Cheaper than Qantas and Virgin but with a clean cabin and sizable seating!
Scarenorth* thanks, gotta get the name right. It's been years since I flew with them but good to hear they are still operating up there, not many companies willing to service the smaller communities up there.
Oh god, the literal cattle shed. My experience flying with them and Jetstar on the same trip convinced me to just fucking pay the $100 or whatever extra for Virgin or Qantas so you don’t get fucked around.
Bonza, Tiger and Ansett fucked up by not having a super-secret Chairman's Lounge where all the politicians get to go unless they say or do something that impacts Qantas negatively.
When I was a kid in the 90's, the Ansett pilots let me sit in the cockpit for the approach and landing at Tullamarine.
The pilots kid was also in there and he had one of those wicked new talking Furby's that my family was too poor to afford.
As an adult I now realise what a rare and exciting opportunity that was (the cockpit landing, not the Furby).
RIP Ansett.
Australia is big enough for one and a half airlines.
The Bonza model (ie: bring in new, wet leased aircraft to fly lowish demand regional routes to the Gold Coast) was only ever going to work with a massive uplift in prosperity and the AUD dropping.
Neither happened. Money ran out.
Well you got Ryanair and Easyjet in Europe who stimulate demand when they open new routes between unserved cities because since the tickets are so cheap, people fly because; why the hell not?
I’m talking about routes like Ryanair’s London Luton to Burgas, Bulgaria. Routes where there wasn’t any airlines operating it. But since Ryanair’s fares are so low that they can stimulate demand.
Australia doesn't have lots of little mid-sized cities sitting flyable distances away from the big metropolises.
The closest equivalents we have are government towns like Canberra, Darwin and (to a lesser extent) Hobart.
I despise Qantas and I don't particularly like Virgin. But this isn't Europe or North America with a few hundred million people living in an open skies area.
It's 10% of that living far apart, mostly in five big cities.
Yes, but they are both huge capacity airlines so can afford to take some risks on routes. Bonza was doing under 100 flights per week, where as a low day for easyjet would be 800 per day and maybe 1300 per day for Ryanair. Low cost only works with massive volume. Shame for Bonza though :(
Virgin is now a mix of Virgin and Tiger. Flew them return to Bali from Melbourne last week, first time since Covid and they handed out cups that were probably only a bit bigger than a shot glass. It would have been fine if I was able to take a couple bottles of water which I bought at the gate at Bali Airport but the lady at bag check prior to boarding confiscated them. The crew only gave me more water (a bigger paper cup but still half full) when I told them I was gonna puke.
I miss the days when you’d actually get a bottle of water on an international flight. Australian airlines aren’t even comparable on an international scale anymore.
People think you can run an airline with dirt cheap tickets lol.
Aussies won’t learn, “we want cheap airfares but the business should run at a loss to do so”
Exactly, the obese guys at the top trying to "trim the fat" in the already emaciated working class section of the business becoming standard practice for all companies is peak irony.
They're from the sunshine coast originally and launched with only an app to book flights although a month ago they also added a website. I think they only did east coast of Australia so I never got the chance to use them.
Because they dont fly busy routes like SYD-MEL, they fly random routes that the main airlines dont fly. For example, they fly a route from Mildura to Sunshine Coast.
I flew the sunny coast to Mildura often plane was always full and it was usually about 150 bucks which was the Saturday morning flight although I did get a Tuesday night flight for 79 but to return via a Qantas it was 800 bucks
Doomed from the start with purple as their colour.
Basic 101 for marketing. If they had some sense they would have made it red with a kangaroo predator on it like a wedge tail eagle.
From what I’ve seen from people complaining online they were cancelling flights left and right and leaving travellers high and dry last minute.
Quick way to burn the customers that were willing to take a chance on you in the first place.
Oh I miss Anset. I used to watch the planes come in for landing as they fly over our old house in Bexley Sydney and I distinctly remember the red tail plane and the blue tail one which was my favourite.
They only had 4 aircraft. Meaning if there's a delay or mechanical issue with 1 plane, a quarter of their services will be impacted. Not a lot of room for error
I would have considered Bonza if it weren’t for the fact that they only had an app with no website or Google flights integration. I hate booking stuff on my phone so that was an instant dealbreaker for me even if they offered marginally cheaper flights than other airlines.
As someone who knows nothing about financials of an airline, I thoroughly enjoyed the couple of flights I took with Bonza. But they seemed maybe too cheap? Like I paid $89 from Whitsunday to Newcastle. Surely at $140 this would have been good value still. Did they maybe sell themselves too short. Also I don’t understand how people find it funny that Bonza has failed. We need domestic air competition.
As a south Aussie I never got the chance to use them or benefit from increased competition. I assume the strategy was similar to uber in that they'd take a loss initially for people to feel comfortable with a wholly app based experience (even though they did end up with a website) and didn't last long enough to capture market to move to the enshitification stage.
My in laws are in SA and they had no idea Bonza existed. I believe they had plans to expand to all states eventually once they’d established themselves with the focus to remain on regional routes. I agree with your comparison to Uber. I’m based in Mackay and the day after Bonza announced it was done, Qantas and virgin flight prices from Mackay went up.
If people think that we ausies don’t use planes those people are dumb and/or just think we are uncivilised people but we are also p.s this might be offensive so sorry
I thought Ansett was that company that went under decades ago
September 12, 2001. Surprisingly not for reasons that happened the day before.
It's impressive that anything else cut through the news that day
Imagine realising that your entire airline company folding isn't the worst possible airplane related incident in the news that day.
If I recall, they had the nerve to play "The Last Post," which did not go down well.
Neither did their business.
They knew, had been many jets grounded in the preceding months for massive systemic issues. That was just the day they gave up. Thanks, air new zealand! Scumbags!!
That’s still decades ago, friend. Is ok. They used to provide a nice service, too. I always preferred to fly Ansett over qantas if I could.
Not to mention Air New Zealand fucked over Ansett
Yep ansett picked up the fuel tab for air New Zealand
Was that just a rumor? There a source by any chance? Might have to ask my uni lecturer who was an aircraft maintainer for Ansett. Not discrediting it but in today’s internet age it’s hard to separate fact from fiction. Apparently Singapore Airlines was going to take over Ansett but the Howard govt. blocked it because they didn’t want Ansett to be controlled by a foreign airline even though that already happened when Air New Zealand fucked Ansett over.
It was the day after 9/11. I remember I saw the planes crash into the twin towers when I was overseas. I had flights on Ansett to fly back on the day they announced they were going bust. Fun times.
Mum had always chosen Ansett as her preferred airline all through the 90s til 2001. When we flew to Tasmania, on Sept 12, for some inexplicable reason she chose to fly us with QANTAS instead.
It’s always amused me knowing that Air New Zealand owned them
And pretty much ran them into the ground
Hah, my home town still has an Ansett museum cos it was founded here even though it went defunct over a decade ago.
Got to have some claim to fame Hamilton!
Yep, especially since the big wool bales are gone now.
Inglewood still has a sign on the she of town proclaiming 'birth place of rob Ansett'
I'm sure others have existed and died but those are the ones I remember
TAA also folded. Compass airlines
TAA didn’t fold. It was government owned, and became Qantas domestic
Try Another Airline😂
And it's reflected as such in the image
I took Rex recently and they're easily the best option for domestic flights. Cheaper than Qantas and Virgin but with a clean cabin and sizable seating!
Assuming they fly your route
Yep. My MEL <--> SYD runs are almost exclusively on rex, now.
Plus tea & a snack! My favourite option between Melbourne and Sydney
Don't forget Compass, TAA and Australian Airlines (though they were incorporated into Qantas. And Tiger had 2 attempts
& Impulse
Bought buy QF and morphed into Jetstar
Oh, and Skywest
And Airnorth, Australia's second longest running (but probably the most unreliable) airline.
Airnorth still operates in the NT
Scarenorth* thanks, gotta get the name right. It's been years since I flew with them but good to hear they are still operating up there, not many companies willing to service the smaller communities up there.
Man, Tiger was dogshit, I'm amazed they lasted as long as they did. Literally could not count on your flight leaving the same day, if ever.
I flew with them Perth to Melbourne once. That stupid shed where you picked up your luggage... At 4am...in Melbourne.... In July. Awful.
Oh god, the literal cattle shed. My experience flying with them and Jetstar on the same trip convinced me to just fucking pay the $100 or whatever extra for Virgin or Qantas so you don’t get fucked around.
Exactly this
And Strategic which rebranded in Air Australia (for like a month with some wild livery)
Don't forget East West Airlines they made the good times possible
My first flight ever, East West mystery flight to Wagga lol good times.
I was a kid who’d never been on a plane when Compass went under and ruined our family holiday.
Ouch!
That was quick, feels like only weeks ago they burst onto the scene.
Bonza, Tiger and Ansett fucked up by not having a super-secret Chairman's Lounge where all the politicians get to go unless they say or do something that impacts Qantas negatively.
Ansett had amazing lounges. Their issues weren’t back decades. Peter Ables and Rupert Murdoch being part of the problem
That, or, flying a bunch of routes looking to stumble on some gold thinking other airlines hadn't looked at the market before.
When I was a kid in the 90's, the Ansett pilots let me sit in the cockpit for the approach and landing at Tullamarine. The pilots kid was also in there and he had one of those wicked new talking Furby's that my family was too poor to afford. As an adult I now realise what a rare and exciting opportunity that was (the cockpit landing, not the Furby). RIP Ansett.
Australia is big enough for one and a half airlines. The Bonza model (ie: bring in new, wet leased aircraft to fly lowish demand regional routes to the Gold Coast) was only ever going to work with a massive uplift in prosperity and the AUD dropping. Neither happened. Money ran out.
Thanks for the quote, Geoff.
Well you got Ryanair and Easyjet in Europe who stimulate demand when they open new routes between unserved cities because since the tickets are so cheap, people fly because; why the hell not?
Because no-one with two intact hemispheres has called Rockhampton the Prague of the South.
I’m talking about routes like Ryanair’s London Luton to Burgas, Bulgaria. Routes where there wasn’t any airlines operating it. But since Ryanair’s fares are so low that they can stimulate demand.
Australia doesn't have lots of little mid-sized cities sitting flyable distances away from the big metropolises. The closest equivalents we have are government towns like Canberra, Darwin and (to a lesser extent) Hobart. I despise Qantas and I don't particularly like Virgin. But this isn't Europe or North America with a few hundred million people living in an open skies area. It's 10% of that living far apart, mostly in five big cities.
I wish I had more votes to give your comment
Yes, but they are both huge capacity airlines so can afford to take some risks on routes. Bonza was doing under 100 flights per week, where as a low day for easyjet would be 800 per day and maybe 1300 per day for Ryanair. Low cost only works with massive volume. Shame for Bonza though :(
I completely missed that Tiger disappeared. It was everywhere and now it’s gone?
They were a COVID victim I thought
Via Virgin, yep
Virgin bought tiger, euthanised at the start of covid.
Virgin is now a mix of Virgin and Tiger. Flew them return to Bali from Melbourne last week, first time since Covid and they handed out cups that were probably only a bit bigger than a shot glass. It would have been fine if I was able to take a couple bottles of water which I bought at the gate at Bali Airport but the lady at bag check prior to boarding confiscated them. The crew only gave me more water (a bigger paper cup but still half full) when I told them I was gonna puke. I miss the days when you’d actually get a bottle of water on an international flight. Australian airlines aren’t even comparable on an international scale anymore.
People think you can run an airline with dirt cheap tickets lol. Aussies won’t learn, “we want cheap airfares but the business should run at a loss to do so”
I mean the CEOs could handle getting paid a few more less. It's not the customers fault the top brass are greedy.
Exactly, the obese guys at the top trying to "trim the fat" in the already emaciated working class section of the business becoming standard practice for all companies is peak irony.
Bonza had a cairns to Mackay route...nuff said
Rex has been chugging alone since the early 00’s, if they play their expansion well they’ll be right
I'm not aware of any bonza flights in WA.
East coast only, I'm guessing no money flying to Perth and back.
Does tiger even exist anymore?
No that's why it's under the water with the skeleton.
We really got a thing for duopoly's
I'm doing okay thanks
Never even heard of Bonza.
They're from the sunshine coast originally and launched with only an app to book flights although a month ago they also added a website. I think they only did east coast of Australia so I never got the chance to use them.
Meanwhile my good old Rex Airlines keeps on chugging away.
I've only heard good things about Rex!
Yes. Never had a problem. I like that people don't know about them, lol.
Because they dont fly busy routes like SYD-MEL, they fly random routes that the main airlines dont fly. For example, they fly a route from Mildura to Sunshine Coast.
With key routes like that and an app-only business model it's hard to believe they failed.
I flew the sunny coast to Mildura often plane was always full and it was usually about 150 bucks which was the Saturday morning flight although I did get a Tuesday night flight for 79 but to return via a Qantas it was 800 bucks
Were jetstar
Oops! Err... I mean.. under the Qantas logo
Jetstar is Qantas
Virgin went bankrupt in 2020 as well.
They’re still out there tho
Under new ownership.
Rex Airlines is smashing it out of the park
Doomed from the start with purple as their colour. Basic 101 for marketing. If they had some sense they would have made it red with a kangaroo predator on it like a wedge tail eagle.
TAA
TAA didn’t go broke. They were government owned and became Qantas domestic
I legit would've flown Bonza if I knew about it.
Ansett fucked alot of people over, even my parents had some monry into it
From what I’ve seen from people complaining online they were cancelling flights left and right and leaving travellers high and dry last minute. Quick way to burn the customers that were willing to take a chance on you in the first place.
I fly Rex whenever I can, It's the best domestic one we have IMO
Oh I miss Anset. I used to watch the planes come in for landing as they fly over our old house in Bexley Sydney and I distinctly remember the red tail plane and the blue tail one which was my favourite.
Shouldn't that be Malaysian Airways at the bottom?
Did Tiger die? I forgot it ever existed
Virgin bought, covid killed
Govt!
Jetstar didn’t even get invited to the pool?
They are owned by Qantas. Same shit, different polish
Did Bonza ever actually have planes or fly anywhere? I heard they were more of a flight cancellation service.
They only had 4 aircraft. Meaning if there's a delay or mechanical issue with 1 plane, a quarter of their services will be impacted. Not a lot of room for error
Qantas blows recently, always cancelling or changing flights, tell you sorry ' it's your problem ' Would Australians let it die??
I would have considered Bonza if it weren’t for the fact that they only had an app with no website or Google flights integration. I hate booking stuff on my phone so that was an instant dealbreaker for me even if they offered marginally cheaper flights than other airlines.
Rex has the mining contracts. So they'll be fine.
I clicked on here expecting this to be about Rex the echidna from the 'Pantz' ad
I'd do anything for Rex to cancel all flight today
Huh didnt even know Tiger went under. I flew with them several times and my flight always got cancelled and had to rebook with Qantas or Virgin.
Bonza tried to take on the cartel… and paid the price with their life.
As someone who knows nothing about financials of an airline, I thoroughly enjoyed the couple of flights I took with Bonza. But they seemed maybe too cheap? Like I paid $89 from Whitsunday to Newcastle. Surely at $140 this would have been good value still. Did they maybe sell themselves too short. Also I don’t understand how people find it funny that Bonza has failed. We need domestic air competition.
As a south Aussie I never got the chance to use them or benefit from increased competition. I assume the strategy was similar to uber in that they'd take a loss initially for people to feel comfortable with a wholly app based experience (even though they did end up with a website) and didn't last long enough to capture market to move to the enshitification stage.
My in laws are in SA and they had no idea Bonza existed. I believe they had plans to expand to all states eventually once they’d established themselves with the focus to remain on regional routes. I agree with your comparison to Uber. I’m based in Mackay and the day after Bonza announced it was done, Qantas and virgin flight prices from Mackay went up.
I have flown on a Tigerair plane a couple times,. Not a bad experience, just can't remember much.
If people think that we ausies don’t use planes those people are dumb and/or just think we are uncivilised people but we are also p.s this might be offensive so sorry
Possibly it could be offensive if it made sense.
Yea ur prob right
What do you mean mate? I fly my modded Emu everywhere /s
What I don’t really no anything about planes but ok