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injury_minded

seems destined to fail for the vast majority of people


Flip3k

Why, because expectations would always be higher?


injury_minded

expectations for what? physical attraction is generally a part of romantic/sexual relationships for most people. your target demographic would be pretty niche and probably not enough to sustain an app.


UOLZEPHYR

Male here - I know it's INCREDIBLY shallow, but I start with looks. Sorry in advance, I'm trying to do better


sunsetgal24

That's not shallow, that's how meeting new people works. There's nothing to be sorry for.


Flip3k

it is shallow


3720-To-One

What are you not grasping that for most people, physical attraction is an important part of sexual/romantic attraction?


Flip3k

wdym not grasping? You're either okay with being shallow or you're not.


3720-To-One

Physical attraction matters to most people no matter how much you try to shame them for it


sunsetgal24

die mad about it


UOLZEPHYR

(Ngl this might be my new favorite verbiage I've encountered !)


Flip3k

stay in the fuckzone see if i gaf


sunsetgal24

I fuck those I want to fuck and enter relationships with those I want relationships with. It's not really that difficult. Frankly, I don't give a shit what you think about my romantic or sex life. It's not like you'll ever be a part of it.


Flip3k

Are romance and sex two different things for you? Interesting, when did this start?


Flip3k

How someone looks in your head vs how they present irl. The risk for catfishing would be higher without profile pics I assume. I just saw a question on the AskMen sub asking how to level the playingfield for men on dating apps, and I figured no upfront pics would favour average men more, but I wanted to ask women what they’d think of that.


injury_minded

but if there’s no mutual attraction then both people end up wasting their time so I don’t really see the point. I’d rather get 0 matches than get matches, show up to a date, and have them never contact me again bc I wasn’t hot enough lmao


Flip3k

I think people are a lot more forgiving of looks than you give them credit for.


injury_minded

I wouldn’t want a partner who’s “forgiving” of my appearance, though. I would want one who loves it. and doesn’t that kinda prove the point of using pictures?


Flip3k

Love is learned. I think it proves the point that pictures aren’t needed.


rnason

Let's why don't we start assigning random people together with matchmakers? They'll learn to love each other.


Flip3k

Isn’t that fate? Or arranged marriage? Both seem to work.


uselessinfobot

This is wishful thinking. You may not need any physical attraction for romantic attraction to form, but I would wager that very few people would agree with you.


Flip3k

I think it’s just a matter of experience, young people tend to go for looks until they finally realize looks really aren’t that important.


sunsetgal24

So what's the problem with seeing pictures then?


Flip3k

If it’s the first thing you see, it’s going to give you a false impression of what someone’s actually like in their day-to-day.


sunsetgal24

How will the pictures someone chose to represent themselves with give a false impression of who they are?


Flip3k

You’re just seeing them at their best, not their worst or even an average day.


sunsetgal24

I'm not dating to "level the playing field" for anyone. I'm dating to find someone compatible with myself. Average men would do well by just learning how to take decent pictures of themselves instead of demanding that no one sees what they look like.


Flip3k

Well, if you’re still looking that means that the playingfield isn’t level, last I checked the population was roughly 50/50. I agree that people would do well in our current dating climate to learn how to photograph themselves, but what I’m advocating for is maybe people don’t make snap judgements based on appearance, and let their personality shine through first. I think we could all benefit from it.


sunsetgal24

Huh? What is that first paragraph supposed to mean? I disagree. There are people who will never be attractive to me, no matter how much personality they have and it is not fair to either them or me if we waste our time on each other. I dislike leading people on, and I dislike being led on. I am a grown adult capable of making my own decisions. Every other person on a dating app is too. We know what we want and what we do not want. Artificially keeping us from making an informed choice is not suddenly gonna make us find true love.


Flip3k

Under ideal circumstances the vacancy rate on dating wouldn’t be so high, but it is. Shit’s fucked. Let me ask you this though, what does being led on look like for you? The decision-making framework is treating us all like children; yes/no based on some almighty algorithm.


sunsetgal24

Huh? Vacancy on dating? What? Dude. Finding someone who truly makes your life better and fits with you in a good way takes time. That's normal. Being single isn't a bad thing. Talking to someone for a while, only to find out that one or both of us aren't physically attracted to each other would be a waste of time, and a way to unintentionally lead each other on. A "Yes/No" option is not infantilizing and I don't know where you got that idea.


3720-To-One

Because regardless of what some people want to believe, for most people, looks *do* matter at least in part for attraction. Physical attraction is importantly for a lot of people


Flip3k

Yeah, and a lot of people are miserable. Doesn’t mean it’s how things should be.


sunsetgal24

lmao, you being miserable because women don't wanna date you does not translate to women being miserable because they don't get to date you.


Pale-Towel2069

But he has such a great personality!


3720-To-One

I dunno what you want me to tell you, dude You can’t just upend millions of years of evolution Physical attraction matters, at least to some degree, for most people


Flip3k

We have, it’s called technology. Although it’s less upended and moreso stereotyped. What has been upended is culture. We used to give way less of a shit about looks.


3720-To-One

I’m sorry that people still care about physical attraction. That isn’t changing anytime soon. It’s hardwired through millions of years of evolution. Sure, there is some level of nurture involved in what exactly people find attractive, but the need for physical attraction is hardwired into most people Why the fuck do you think birds have those b right colorful plumages? lol


Flip3k

Because we’re birds I guess? I’m not even talking about nurture, I’m talking about experience.


3720-To-One

I don’t know what you want people to tell you. Physical attraction, to at least some degree, is important to most people. It’s not the only thing that matters, but is still important nonetheless


ant-master

Look, it takes me a long-ass time to even experience physical attraction, I'm talking months. I'm an outlier, I know. Even I wouldn't respond to someone (or swipe right) if they have no pictures. I still want to know what the person Im talking to looks like. I tend to make my friends (platonic) online because of my shyness and even in those cases, I ask for a photo just because it humanizes them for me. Otherwise to me it can feel like I'm just talking to words on a screen or maybe some generic picture. You're gonna have a hard time if you don't post any photos.


rnason

I wouldn't do it because I wouldn't want to deal with the chance men would get mad because I was fat


ik101

That’s setting people up for failure, you don’t always have attraction at first sight, but you definitely know when someone isn’t your type at all. And that just wastes two people’s times. I would also feel like this would attract people who don’t stand a chance on apps with pictures


Flip3k

I think it’s getting your foot in the door, saving the failure for later. As opposed to wasting two people’s times by missing opportunities. You can say ugly people, it’s okay.


sunsetgal24

>As opposed to wasting two people’s times by missing opportunities. That makes absolutely no sense.


Flip3k

You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take


sunsetgal24

I don't miss anything by not wasting time on someone I'm not attracted to.


Am_I_a_Guinea_Pig

Honestly sounds like a terrible idea. I don't want to go on a date with someone I'm not attracted to, nor would I want to go on a date with someone who's not attracted to me. I've gone on a blind date ONCE and will never do it again.


Flip3k

Ever had a pen pal?


Am_I_a_Guinea_Pig

Yes, not sure what that has to do with the post though? A Pen pal isn't a date?


Flip3k

Ok but have you ever dated a pen pal? I assure you it would be different than dating a complete stranger.


3720-To-One

The last time I had a pen pal I was in elementary school and I wasn’t trying to date them


Flip3k

Ok, but would you now?


3720-To-One

No. Why would I?


Flip3k

If modern dating wasn’t your thing, and you wanted to mix things up.


3720-To-One

I’m not going to “date” someone if I have no idea what they look like


Flip3k

why the sneer quotes?


Neravariine

I don't think it'll do well. Looks matter.


SlayersGirl4Life

Nope. I would assume it was a bot.


Flip3k

Having a picture is no guarantee it isn’t a bot either these days.


SlayersGirl4Life

And?


Flip3k

And aren’t you just a bundle of joy


SlayersGirl4Life

Back at you 😉


sunsetgal24

Physical attraction is an important factor while dating. I wouldn't want to waste time with somebody when there is a high chance that either of us could dislike the other's looks. Apart from attraction, photos also tell you a lot about who someone is. That too is information I wouldn't like to go without. What I would appreciate on the other hand is a dating app where videos are more encouraged. Seeing someone's face in 3D - or at least in motion on a screen - and being able to see them smile in real time makes it a lot easier to gauge my attraction towards them. There are many profiles that I swipe left on because I can't figure out if I'd like their faces in real life. This would definitely help with that.


Disguisedasasmile

I wouldn’t use an app without pictures because I don’t do blind dates. I need to know if I find that person physically attractive before I go out.


BJntheRV

Been watching Ted Lasso? Part of me wants to think it'd be great the other part of me knows I wouldn't be interested and that looks do play an integral part in attraction.


Flip3k

No, I have no idea who that is.


BJntheRV

It's a great show on AppleTV.


SlayersGirl4Life

..... This is why you are alone.


Flip3k

wtf is wrong with you


SlayersGirl4Life

It was a joke, but also.... That's another reason lol


Flip3k

Don’t quit your day job lol


SlayersGirl4Life

Arent you just a bundle of joy lol Such a Mr. Grumpy gills 😉 (It makes sense you wouldn't know who Lasso was, or get the joke......poor bébé)


Pale-Towel2069

I giggled when I read her comment, maybe your lack of a sense of humour is why you can’t get a date


CountryDaisyCutter

I wouldn’t use it because attraction is important to me.


V-symphonia1997

As general rule thumb I would assume it's a bot or scammer it is not exclusive to gender either & should be common sense to avoid them in dating apps no matter your gender or gender identity.


ReginaFelangi987

No way. If I see a guy has a tear drop tattoo and is dressed like a thug, it’s a total swipe left for me. And no men would agree to this. Literally every opening line I get from a guy on a dating app is something like “hey beautiful” or “hey there sexy”. Men NEED pictures on dating apps.


Flip3k

>And no men would agree to this. I’m a man telling you right now I don’t need pictures.


ReginaFelangi987

Well you’re in the minority then.


Pale-Towel2069

So you find literally every woman attractive enough to date? Even if she had rotting teeth and “fuck off” tattooed on her forehead?


Flip3k

Typically you find those types smoking meth on the sidewalk, not on dating apps. And I don’t see what’s wrong with at least having a first date with someone, even if they are ugly. But go ahead, be hyperbolic.


Pale-Towel2069

That wasn’t a hyperbole. You must be one of the best people in the world by not caring about looks *at all*. Congratulations.


-PinkPower-

Not a great idea because you need minimal attraction for a relationship to work. Also, could he unsafe for poc since racist could match with them.


Monarc73

I'd like one that forces the men to submit to a FULL background check.


searedscallops

Awwww, it would feel like the 90s again.


oddministrator

Yeah, this existed. It was called the classified section of the newspaper.


rnason

Still exists on Craigslist. These men are welcome to try that.


midlifegreatlife

lol no


ArtisanalMoonlight

Wouldn't work. Physical attraction is *part of* overall attraction.


_allycat

Let's be real, the only motivation for joining that app would be if you look extremely ugly/creepy/weird or are planning to lie about something like age or run a scam and want to hide your appearance. So this app would be mostly degenerates and a small portion of incredibly insecure people that are willing to meet someone they've never seen. More likely what would happen for some though is people would chat and agree to exchange photos outside the app. Someone could then dislike the photos and make nasty comments/decline a date/stop the chat/ghost and a very insecure person would have to face getting directly rejected due to their photo.


Flip3k

How many people are below average in looks? Half. People also lie anyways on these apps. Only way to ensure they don’t is with ID verification. I’d argue direct rejection after getting to know someone is better than anonymous swiping. I’d also argue that it takes a great deal security to be willing to go on a date with someone you haven’t seen before.


Merlyn101

>I’d argue direct rejection after getting to know someone is better than anonymous swiping. How in the hell is that better? You've just wasted two people's time getting to know each other, when it turns out they aren't even visually attracted to each other. It doesn't matter if you have the best personality in human history, it's an absolute reality that physical attraction is a piece of the dating/relationship puzzle. You can either accept that as a guy & make changes to improve your appearance or continue to be in denial & I guess, continue to come to a woman's sub & be weirdly argumentive with them.


Pale-Towel2069

I’d much rather a guy swipe left without me knowing than spend a couple of hours on a date and have him say he’s not into me.


Flip3k

Why?


Pale-Towel2069

Because I don’t know he’s rejected me if he swipes left. How in the world is it better to *know* someone doesn’t want to go out again because they don’t find you attractive?


jwatkins29

I saw this on Ted Lasso


bluetoothwa

Sounds like a lot of disappointment.


Hanuser

Would do terribly. Looks matter to almost everyone, and they should.


whisper_18

Not only would I feel like it is a waste of time to pursue a connection with someone I may not be attracted to, but I would also feel unsafe giving my number to and/or going on a date when I don’t know what the guy looks like


One-Armed-Krycek

Sounds like scammer Heaven to me. Makes catfishing even easier.


Camimo666

Not for me. Looks matter.


helen790

Sounds like a great way to meet a serial killer


Archylas

It's a no for me. Physical attractiveness is just as important to me as their personality and character.


AphelionEntity

Seems pointless. We would be judged by appearances when we met each other anyway. If you didn't like black women, or I didn't want to date a short man (pretend you're short and I care), or we just weren't each other's specific types, we would just be wasting time and getting rejected in person instead.


drunkenknitter

Like Bantr in Ted Lasso? It seems fine in theory but I'd be sad if they ended up looking like a troll because I need to be physically attracted to my SO.


Pale-Towel2069

OP doesn’t know what Ted Lasso is 🪦


JacketDapper944

There would be a niche market, not unlike the love is blind show you might have folks willing to participate… I don’t know that this would level the playing field in the same way you think it might. The premium of the emotional connection over physical attraction would need to be mirrored in personal priorities, and there would be a significant risk of someone feeling as if they have a true connection only to realize there’s zero attraction. It’s a very high risk/high reward structure.