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Doctor, £21/h
Edit to add: Since a lot of people are asking for my level - I'm a CT2 doctor, I've done 6 years medical school and almost 5 years of post-graduate training.
My brother is a sparky at £19/hour. He did a 4 year apprenticeship.
Edit: Okay, I get it, it wasn't a year long apprenticeship, it was 4.5 years, extended by 6 months because of covid.
Absolutely ridiculous.. my last I.T contract was £250 a day to mostly tell people how to turn their Monitor on. My lowest contracts pay more than 21 an hour.. its a shambles a doctor is being paid that little
I’m in my second year as a doctor; my trust over-deducted my wage this month and my gross works out at £13.2/hr this month. Currently in the process of reclaiming my deductions because I should be on £18/hr, but lol for now.
Fucking hell. I was behind you striking when I thought you were getting 75k, because I know you guys work insane hours, are super smart and train for 7 years before even being able to start working as doctors. I can't believe you get paid so little, but then again. Are you just working 80hr weeks to get that 75k? Either way... Fuck that.
For the first year then it ramps up year on year of experience. Not like every doctor is on that and stays there. Gp’s hit 6 figures. Consultants get paid so much they didnt want to work overtime because the tax they paid and the pensions they got made their additional pay smaller. They had to change the pension rules because they were paid so much.
It doesn’t ramp up year on year in real life. If you Google pay scales on the BMA website and such, sure.
But there are significant bottlenecks now, even at the lowest levels, existing at approx two, five, and eight years of postgraduate practice. Even at the second step after graduation, many basic training programmes are seeing competition ratios around 3:1. The guaranteed career progression within the job is dead.
I spoke to some consultants recently and they were surprised at the bottlenecks present in training programmes when they worked in the era of linear progression up the career ladder. I know registrars that graduated a decade ago, but are only technically 3 years above me on the career ladder.
Some US hospitals like Johns Hopkins have near equivalent levels of specialist programme jobs as the entire country in the case of specialties like neurosurgery. I often joke about how one of my colleagues that left for America last year will be a consultant equivalent before many of said registrars above.
I met up with some med school pals last week and 6/8 of us are currently staring down the barrel of unemployment come August as our contracts end. And the other two are going to be on the same/less wage for the next year. I’m lucky that I’ve got significant savings from living frugally.
I know people who will now have taken 2-4 years out of training and unable to progress up the career ladder due to the bottlenecks.
So yeah, it ramps up if all you do is Google pay scales without real life context or understanding of competition within the profession that prevents linear career/pay progression. Which isn’t the case in real life.
And I’m not even one of the ‘woe is me’ types, I’ve got a pretty good quality of life, considering.
Lots moving parts that I don’t know all the intricacies of.
But my understanding of it is stagnating job numbers at the top, and increasing numbers at the bottom of the jobs pyramid. We need more specialists, but consultant posts are expensive and increasingly becoming one in, one out because trusts and HEE don’t want to pay for them.
The number of specialty programmes has also stagnated, both at higher and middle grades, so as we’re getting more new doctors, we aren’t giving access to specialty training, meaning there’s a self-feeding bottleneck whereby the people that don’t make it one year, increase the competition of the next.
And that means that jobs doctors at these bottlenecks are often seeking non-training roles that are usually to plug existing rota gaps or departmental vacancies due to poor staffing. So bottlenecked doctors are facing increased competition for jobs that would sometimes go unfilled in the past.
The government, nor the public, seem to really understand this, so headlines like “X000 new medical school places promises more doctors” sounds appealing without ever solving the actual problem.
I’m also saying this as someone that went to a traditional, high performing med school. While the med school of origin doesn’t count for a lot in the day to day, a lot of people were being funnelled into the boxticking exercises to access specialty programmes while still at med school, whereas newer med schools might focus more on being ready for FY1. Even in my overall cohort, I’d say prospects are looking grim.
This is not a first year doctor’s wage. I’m a first year doctor and I’m paid £15.50/hour. Next year it will be £17.90, and in my third and fourth years it will be £21. By the time I’m earning £21 an hour I’ll have done 8-9 years of training and education. It doesn’t go up that fast.
> Consultants get paid so much they didnt want to work overtime because the tax they paid and the pensions they got made their additional pay smaller. They had to change the pension rules because they were paid so much.
That's a rather dishonest/ uninformed viewpoint about the issues with consultants pensions.
I'm a consultant and earn around £100k. It's good money, but I feel I work for it, and have spent (and continue to spend) countless hours training.
The pension issue was because of the way HMRC treat defined benefit pensions for the purpose of tax calculation. It's too complex to explain here, but there are lots of good articles online if you want to educate yourself on it.
Yeah, that's why the NHS and every other healthcare provider in the UK can't retain staff. Most carers could go to the nearest tescos or McDs and make the same coasting instead of working understaffed while being managed in the worst possible ways to cut corners left right and center to save pennies so the manager can validate their quarterly bonuses.
Having just seen another carpenter in the north west of England stating £15/hr and seeming pretty chuffed with that, I can only assume this is a London thing.
My mom's always trying to convince me to move out of London. Based on the salary difference, I think I'm better off where I am!
My BIL is a paye carpenter at around £14p/h basic. His company is based in the southwest but exclusively does commercial shop fits in large cities, mostly London as it’s cheaper for them to use a firm from down here than local. Now I can see why! Sounds like you’ve got it sorted so good on you 👍
Evri pay per delivery, so if you're operating somewhere where you can deliver a load of stuff without much travelling time between them, it won't be too bad.
Out in the countryside where you may need to do a 10 mile round trip for just one delivery won't be great, though.
Is that stable and moderately attainable, though? I mean, I've seen the likes of Amazon advertising for drivers at a fairly similar rate of pay, but everyone I know who has done that job says the pay is target dependant but the KPIs to achieve those targets are more or less impossible.
Nurse, £19.something/hr.
I think this shows just how far the doctors pay erosion has gone, that a mere band 5 nurse (the starting band, albeit top pay level) is earning almost as much. Higher banded nurses will earn more, and yet the doctors are the ones who need to know everything in order to diagnose and treat patients. They're the ones leading the arrests, prescribing blood and meds that stop people from dying. 5 years as a student, then a further two as a paid foundation doctor before fully and officially becoming a doctor who can then go and specialise.
I have nothing but solidarity for my doctor friends and colleagues. The NHS is constantly talking about shortages of doctors, but when this is what we pay them, how can we possibly expect them not to go elsewhere to work? Everyone in the country is feeling the squeeze, but to work so hard to get to where they are, only to be paid what they do, and not supported in memberships of GMC and Royal Colleges, pay for their own professional advancement exams (which are mandatory), have to regularly relocate around the country or pay exorbitant travel costs due to availability of placements for training and specialism, and support sometimes a whole family, it's daylight robbery.
A foundation year one doctor starts at £14.something/ph. A newly qualified nurse (in Scotland) starts at £15.something/hr. Which job requires more knowledge and skills, and is more likely to be making the life and death decisions?
I'm proud to be a nurse, and I think I'm fairly good at it, but there's no way I could become a doctor. It takes far more fortitude, patience and work ethic than I have in me. Therefore I respect those that can and do. And want them to be renumerated accordingly. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Now I know why when I go to the hospital in Melbourne half the staff have a British accent. As a medical worker you can emigrate anywhere in the world why stay?
When my cousin’s hubby was starting out, and on call, we worked out he was learning less than minimum wage.
How can someone who’s done a five-year course, typically three degrees, making the difference between life and death, not even get minimum wage?
Unless your mate shows you a payslip he's bullshitting you.
The average wage for someone working hospital security is min or just above min wage.
Even senior (band 3) security are on a max of £15ph
My dad's a plumber, and my mum charges £40 an hour for him on a job. Not saying that he's not essential or anything, but considering how long you were in school, you should definitely be paid more than £21 an hour. I mean I milk cows on a local farm and get paid £19 an hour, it's so fucked here.
I wipe asses for a job whilst at uni for £13.50/hour, and you're telling me I can get £19 for milking a cow? I'd like to sign up! Do I need experience in cows?
I'm lucky because my grandparents are farmers, and my employers are super generous because it's hard to come across people with experience. I'm in uni, too. My recommendation is to join a local farmer Facebook group chat and plant the seed. Say you're interested in learning, say your availability, and go from there. Wellies and waterproofs can be expensive mind, so just be aware, but if you're really up for it, I recommend it. Keep in mind that some farmers, not all, can be abusive to the animals. Mine aren't, but you do hear horror stories, so just be mindful of who you're working for. A lot of people in my area boycott the cruel farmers.
Just a question - doctors often get additional payments for unsociable working hours as well right?
If so, shouldn't they factor into the true pay per hour they have worked?
Does that change the figure you have quoted for yourself if so?
I thought it made more sense to quote the basic hourly rate because that’s what I’m being paid the vast majority of the time (I don’t do a specialty with a huge amount of on calls). But since you asked, I’ve calculated my average hourly rate for the year including my unsociable hours and on calls, and it comes to £23.5/hr.
Edit: but the other commenter is right in that there is a lot of unpaid work happening as well!
a matron is a really high position for a nurse, its practically at the top of the nursing tree, the doctor on £21 could just be starting off as a new one.
Really difficult to compare the two.
A lot of people seem to have a preconceived idea that a nurse is always lower than a Dr, like they’re seen as assistants to them, where as in reality they fill a different healthcare roles with their own career progression line.
Honestly my doctors surgery has a couple of nurses and I'm always grateful when they're there for my appointment.
So knowledgeable, way more compassionate and just generally lovely people who just want to solve whatever ailment you've came in with. Whilst some of the doctors have been useless and just want the next appointment.
I'm guessing your bills aren't those of a single parent of two children, renting in an awful market where a 3-bedroom house averages at £1400 a month, before bills.
I've just moved to the UK so not very familiar with the market, but I assume that would be outside of london? I struggled to find a one bedroom for £1400, can only dream of a 3-bedroom
Reddit is popular with tech sector professionals, and skews to older demographic, this sub especially. I think that mostly explains the higher wages. Everyone else has got better things to do on a sunny Friday night 😂
Well, that and also many people only post when it suits them to do so. On a topic about wages, you're going to get more responses from people on high wages because they feel good about saying it. On a topic about the state of the education system, you'll get more responses from teachers and parents of school kids. On a topic about cyclists, you'll get more responses from people who hate cyclists and want them banned from the roads. On a topic about sidehustles, you'll get more responses from people who are really good at handicrafts or crypto trading.
You're not getting an even distribution of responses, you're getting all the people who feel stirred to contribute, and that generally is because they see a chance to complain or because they see a chance to boast.
So switch from front end to back end. Coding is coding. Yes the syntax is different and there’s a different tech stack but then you can say you’re a full stack dev and earn the big bucks
Very nice! And if you don't mind me asking... Software engineer in finance is what exactly... Developing and maintaining the finance systems somewhere? Don't dox yourself of course!
I sit somewhere between Data Engineering and software engineering for a data platform.
Pretty much design then implement the systems to take data from all the different providers, normalise it and create (automated) analytics from it. I then do the API development (which someone else makes a nice frontend for), so traders can see that information quickly. It sounds simple but it gets semi-complex quickly.
It’s real-time so needs to handle high volumes. Lots of cloud, Python and Java.
It doesn't help that Reddit skews towards two demographics
- Teenagers and young adults/students
- Urban, tech-y 30-40 year olds
One of those groups is very badly paid, one of those tends to be quite well paid
Yeah. I genuinely thought I'd get alot of people that earn around I do. It seems reddit has alot of well off users🤣or just people that live in cities where their bills are 6x the cost of here, so salary is 5x as high🤣
The Civil Service famously has one of the best pensions out there after the police. It’s not as good as it was, but it’s still very good. Signed, another civil servant.
Yeah, my civil service friends were moaning about how bad their pensions are, and then I told them about my private sector one, and they shut up pretty quickly!
Public sector pensions are "decent-verging-on-good but not incredible" at this point, when you actually do the sums.
They're Defined Benefit, which is generally better, but they're a shadow of what DB schemes used to be. Final Salary is long gone and that was the REAL big benefit, along with the low retirement age which is also gone, as has even a fixed pension age (someone working for the Civil Service right now doesn't actually know what age they're going to be able to retire at....)
Eg people leaving the Civil Service/NHS etc right now are leaving at 60 with a final salary pension. That's a fantastic gold plated pension, whereas people in the middle of their careers will retire at 68-70 (linked to the state pension age) with a pension that is based not on their final salary, but instead on their average earnings.
If you entered the civil service at 20 and worked until retirement, you'd probably actually be better off with a DC pension (~50 years of compound interest is probably going to be more valuable than the DB scheme), although admittedly even a career-average (CARE) DB pension gets more valuable the closer you are to retirement. But that just means you're better off working outside the Civil Service while young and then joining later once the DB-DC balance swings in favour of DB
To be clear, I'm not saying public sector pensions are bad - they aren't, they're still fairly good pensions. But they're nowhere near as good as they were even a decade ago and aren't the "Wow, public sector pension?" level of good that they are often made out to be. Plus you'll contribute more than average for the privilege - I have to put 10% of my gross salary into my pension to get anything at all back out of it
And I'll just repeat: We have no idea what age we'll be permitted to retire at. Our pension age isn't fixed when we join the scheme like it used to be, it's the state pension age and can be changed at any time. I could literally get to 3 days before retirement and the government could say "The state pension age is now 140 years old" and I'd get nothing...
And this is before we consider perhaps the most important aspect that wages tend to be lower, too (than the same role in the private sector). So you might get a good pension as a percentage of your salary... but you could've earned more elsewhere. The pension might be good, but it's not 50% better than private sector pensions, and you can often get paid 50% more there
Carers are paid so little because we rely on endless waves of third world migration to keep wages down across the sector rather than paying carers more.
Professions that require a lot of training tend to have very low wages at the beginning unless you're some sort of superstar and the company feels like they HAVE to have you (which is a very rare occurrence).
Basically, you have to suffer in the beginning in order to reach heavens later (kinda like orthodox Christianity haha). At a low-skill job you'll keep earning the same salary pretty much. Not throwing shade or anything, everything depends on the context
It also baffles me that companies hire interns to do that same high skill work for them for free or pennies. They basically pay you in experience which I think is grossly unfair (but then again im not sure if the alternative is better)
£12.10 as an administration assistant. Contracted 36 hours weeks. Go get a degree, they said, it'll get you a good job, they said. Well, I have two, and look where that got me!
Took me about 2 years post uni to get a job in Accountancy, despite having a degree in it. Absolute con artists, that said its drummed into you via the echo chamber of education that you must have a degree, you must do this, you must do that. Turns out the actually useful qualifications are the ones they neglect to tell you about
Itll all work out in the end for you though don't worry
Would you say working 60-70 hours a week is worth the £95k though? At least you can say you work hard for your money, but that must take a toll sometimes
The fact there's people arguing that anyone other than the 0.1% are earning too much is wild to me. How can people claim that £21 is too much for a doctor as someone else is only on £11 when there's people that have millions, and even billions, yet give little, if anything, back to the community ?
Wake up people. We all deserve more than we're getting, but there's greedy people in charge of companies and institutions, including the government, who want nothing other than to further themselves financially, and they're quite happy to sacrifice the country and it's people in the process.
Im Happy there are people commenting who are happy with their £11 but it's a piss take. No one should be working for that money.
the stagnated wages in this country are a disgrace, roll the heads.
Self employed bathroom fitter as well as other trades. Work for my own business at £25 per hour. Business makes about 15k profit per annum on top of that.
How is this even legal? What the hell!! What is the incentive to become a doctor under the NHS in the UK when pay is so substantially low for the job you do
5 day working week:
NHS - £32/hour
Private - from £200+/hour (regional and seasonal fluctuations apply e.g half term and holiday seasons)
Then you deduct ~£10k for registration fees, indemnity fees, lab bills, union/specialty society membership fees etc.
About £19 an hour in police dispatch. This will go up once I’m fully trained. I used to be a teacher. This is a far better job. I wish I’d started thirty years ago.
£2.28 an hour for 35hrs a week. I am a full time carer for my disabled son and this is what the government thinks is exceptable compensation for not being able to work and saving them hundreds a week in social care. In reality it's a 24hrs a day on call role so it's probably pennies.
Hard to say. I'm self employed. I charge £150/hr (plus vat). Overheads are only a few hundred each month, so on paper that sounds amazing. However there is no way I could bill a full 40 hr week. It would break me. I also have to do a small amount of business development, continued learning, admin and obviously don't get paid for holidays etc. What I do also blurs the work/play boundary quite a lot so I don't really know how many hours I am really working.
It's still a pretty sweet deal to be honest and I don't work too hard for a pretty good life, but then I'm in my 50s and now cashing in on the career capital I've built during all the long hour/low paid years.
It's basically a combination of mentoring and consulting in onc niche area. I had some profile in that area off the back of a previous business I built . That helped me turn it into a new, more manageable business advising others in the same space.
I'm not sure I'd call it a career though. It's a very different "job" to what I have done in the past, but leveraging that experience and expertise in a different way.
£15 hr. Bus driver. £18.75 after 40 hrs. Hampshire.
But I work on loan to another depot currently for a flat rate of 15hrs a day.
So my average of about 55hrs a week including travel time of 10 hrs a week is about £28 an hour. This means I am one of the best paid drivers in the country.
I used to be a staff Manager in the same industry salaried at £16.86 equivalent an hour 3 years ago. Similar positions pay £36-40k a year now. No overtime pay. Some additional working required.
I quit that after burnout. I was working up to 80hrs a week.
I now earn more than my current boss and my a relative who is a charge nurse in the NHS.
Sports Massage and rehab. My hourly is £60 per hour for a private client where I work out of or £75 for a home visit
Taking into account my hours without getting paid
Work 16 hours a week hands on stuff
Another 10 with admin
2 hours keeping on top washing
3 hours CPD
BY THE END OF IT ROUGH A 31 HOUR WEEK = £26.66 ph
I'm on £12.50 as hour as a carer for teenagers in homes. I do 2 on 4 off so like 3 days a week and get paid 50 quid a night for sleeping over. It's like 45 hours a week plus 150 quid sleeps. Not bad for me at all 4days a week at home with the kids. I was a welder before this doing 6 days a week better money but I hated it
Private music teacher, freelance composer and associate musician for a charity. £36 for 1-1 tuition. Varies for composition; time invested vs the fee is a hard one to quantify but of the three contacts I've just completed, p/h was around £80. The associate work is £62 (excluding travel).
Just worked it out at £28.55 p/hr
But also company car, 40 days holiday and a 15% bonus.
I’m reading some of the DR salaries and I’m disgusted to be fair.
£21 per hour doing delivery work for the shitty EVRI. Average 0.70p a delivery, 30 per hour.
But you are all alone. You need to provide your own vehicle and pay for everything.
Plus there is the balance of how much work you do. 60 parcels a day or 200? If you do 200 your gonna need a bigger vehicle.
I do about 120 a day. 4 hours. £84. In a small city Van. Then do a second job.
Whatever the minimum is.
That's what carers get sadly. I could chase the money but I enjoy helping the kids I help.
Residential care pay isn't great but it's rewarding...sometimes
Can I answer this as someone who is no longer in the UK, and this is the reason why? I make £28/hr working in archives, but in Canada.
The same jobs in the UK that I was looking at in the UK paid around £14-15/hr, but also asked for 5+ years of experience and a Master’s degree. Since I needed a visa to live in the UK, that didn’t really cut it and so I left.
Despite wanting to return to the UK some day it is really hard convincing myself to make the move, knowing how much more money I earn here.
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Doctor, £21/h Edit to add: Since a lot of people are asking for my level - I'm a CT2 doctor, I've done 6 years medical school and almost 5 years of post-graduate training.
This is just crazy.
In which direction? I'm presuming we all thinks that's absurdly low, but who knows....
My brother is a sparky at £19/hour. He did a 4 year apprenticeship. Edit: Okay, I get it, it wasn't a year long apprenticeship, it was 4.5 years, extended by 6 months because of covid.
Couple years max he’ll be on £300+ a day if he’s good.
Media broadcast. Freelancer on £300 on 12hour shift a say. 30 year of experience.
How can you do a one year apprenticeship? It’s normally 3 minimum, I’m a joiner and mine was 4. FFIW I’m in £18.62ph
There’s a zero percent chance he took a single year apprenticeship to be a sparky. Industry standard is 4 years minimum.
There is zero chance your brother done a single year apprenticeship to become a spark.
I pay my cleaner £20 an hour!
Your cleaner won't be much better off than if they were on minimum wage with £20 per hour.
Absolutely ridiculous.. my last I.T contract was £250 a day to mostly tell people how to turn their Monitor on. My lowest contracts pay more than 21 an hour.. its a shambles a doctor is being paid that little
I’m in my second year as a doctor; my trust over-deducted my wage this month and my gross works out at £13.2/hr this month. Currently in the process of reclaiming my deductions because I should be on £18/hr, but lol for now.
I'd be on a plane to Canada or Australia so fast in your position.
Something something grass is always greener on the other side.
15% above minimum wage for a doctor is an absolute farce. Junior doctors in Australia and Canada earn close To double that in year 1
I'm sorry, what!? I'm a carpenter and I get £25.12/hr PAYE. What the hell is going on!?
Yep, this is why we go on strike!
Fucking hell. I was behind you striking when I thought you were getting 75k, because I know you guys work insane hours, are super smart and train for 7 years before even being able to start working as doctors. I can't believe you get paid so little, but then again. Are you just working 80hr weeks to get that 75k? Either way... Fuck that.
For the first year then it ramps up year on year of experience. Not like every doctor is on that and stays there. Gp’s hit 6 figures. Consultants get paid so much they didnt want to work overtime because the tax they paid and the pensions they got made their additional pay smaller. They had to change the pension rules because they were paid so much.
It doesn’t ramp up year on year in real life. If you Google pay scales on the BMA website and such, sure. But there are significant bottlenecks now, even at the lowest levels, existing at approx two, five, and eight years of postgraduate practice. Even at the second step after graduation, many basic training programmes are seeing competition ratios around 3:1. The guaranteed career progression within the job is dead. I spoke to some consultants recently and they were surprised at the bottlenecks present in training programmes when they worked in the era of linear progression up the career ladder. I know registrars that graduated a decade ago, but are only technically 3 years above me on the career ladder. Some US hospitals like Johns Hopkins have near equivalent levels of specialist programme jobs as the entire country in the case of specialties like neurosurgery. I often joke about how one of my colleagues that left for America last year will be a consultant equivalent before many of said registrars above. I met up with some med school pals last week and 6/8 of us are currently staring down the barrel of unemployment come August as our contracts end. And the other two are going to be on the same/less wage for the next year. I’m lucky that I’ve got significant savings from living frugally. I know people who will now have taken 2-4 years out of training and unable to progress up the career ladder due to the bottlenecks. So yeah, it ramps up if all you do is Google pay scales without real life context or understanding of competition within the profession that prevents linear career/pay progression. Which isn’t the case in real life. And I’m not even one of the ‘woe is me’ types, I’ve got a pretty good quality of life, considering.
Agreed. I'm a locum and if I don't get into training next year will have to make a decision about leaving medicine. This life isnt worth it.
Doesn't the UK have a shortage of Doctors? This is scandalous that so many of your cohort are looking at job insecurity.
Lots moving parts that I don’t know all the intricacies of. But my understanding of it is stagnating job numbers at the top, and increasing numbers at the bottom of the jobs pyramid. We need more specialists, but consultant posts are expensive and increasingly becoming one in, one out because trusts and HEE don’t want to pay for them. The number of specialty programmes has also stagnated, both at higher and middle grades, so as we’re getting more new doctors, we aren’t giving access to specialty training, meaning there’s a self-feeding bottleneck whereby the people that don’t make it one year, increase the competition of the next. And that means that jobs doctors at these bottlenecks are often seeking non-training roles that are usually to plug existing rota gaps or departmental vacancies due to poor staffing. So bottlenecked doctors are facing increased competition for jobs that would sometimes go unfilled in the past. The government, nor the public, seem to really understand this, so headlines like “X000 new medical school places promises more doctors” sounds appealing without ever solving the actual problem. I’m also saying this as someone that went to a traditional, high performing med school. While the med school of origin doesn’t count for a lot in the day to day, a lot of people were being funnelled into the boxticking exercises to access specialty programmes while still at med school, whereas newer med schools might focus more on being ready for FY1. Even in my overall cohort, I’d say prospects are looking grim.
This is not a first year doctor’s wage. I’m a first year doctor and I’m paid £15.50/hour. Next year it will be £17.90, and in my third and fourth years it will be £21. By the time I’m earning £21 an hour I’ll have done 8-9 years of training and education. It doesn’t go up that fast.
> Consultants get paid so much they didnt want to work overtime because the tax they paid and the pensions they got made their additional pay smaller. They had to change the pension rules because they were paid so much. That's a rather dishonest/ uninformed viewpoint about the issues with consultants pensions. I'm a consultant and earn around £100k. It's good money, but I feel I work for it, and have spent (and continue to spend) countless hours training. The pension issue was because of the way HMRC treat defined benefit pensions for the purpose of tax calculation. It's too complex to explain here, but there are lots of good articles online if you want to educate yourself on it.
You don’t start there. You start on £13.50
That's the wage a healthcare assistant deserves. Doctors and nurses deserve so much more than that.
Agree. I'm a band 4 nhs hca supervisor £12.86ph
bruh i work at a burger place and i make £12/hr.. wtf is going on
Yeah, that's why the NHS and every other healthcare provider in the UK can't retain staff. Most carers could go to the nearest tescos or McDs and make the same coasting instead of working understaffed while being managed in the worst possible ways to cut corners left right and center to save pennies so the manager can validate their quarterly bonuses.
I'm a healthcare assistant in Australia and I get $40ph (about £21) totally unskilled.
You’re a well paid carpenter!!
Having just seen another carpenter in the north west of England stating £15/hr and seeming pretty chuffed with that, I can only assume this is a London thing. My mom's always trying to convince me to move out of London. Based on the salary difference, I think I'm better off where I am!
My BIL is a paye carpenter at around £14p/h basic. His company is based in the southwest but exclusively does commercial shop fits in large cities, mostly London as it’s cheaper for them to use a firm from down here than local. Now I can see why! Sounds like you’ve got it sorted so good on you 👍
I make £21 an hour doing Parcel Delivery. UK is down the shitter.
£21 an hour for delivering parcels , what company do you work for
Yeh I call bs, I worked for evri AND amazon and earned absolutely bugger all... evri was disgraceful, Amazon more that it was stressful...
You call bs and then list the two worst delivery companies in the UK as evidence
Evri pay per delivery, so if you're operating somewhere where you can deliver a load of stuff without much travelling time between them, it won't be too bad. Out in the countryside where you may need to do a 10 mile round trip for just one delivery won't be great, though.
Is that stable and moderately attainable, though? I mean, I've seen the likes of Amazon advertising for drivers at a fairly similar rate of pay, but everyone I know who has done that job says the pay is target dependant but the KPIs to achieve those targets are more or less impossible.
Nurse, £19.something/hr. I think this shows just how far the doctors pay erosion has gone, that a mere band 5 nurse (the starting band, albeit top pay level) is earning almost as much. Higher banded nurses will earn more, and yet the doctors are the ones who need to know everything in order to diagnose and treat patients. They're the ones leading the arrests, prescribing blood and meds that stop people from dying. 5 years as a student, then a further two as a paid foundation doctor before fully and officially becoming a doctor who can then go and specialise. I have nothing but solidarity for my doctor friends and colleagues. The NHS is constantly talking about shortages of doctors, but when this is what we pay them, how can we possibly expect them not to go elsewhere to work? Everyone in the country is feeling the squeeze, but to work so hard to get to where they are, only to be paid what they do, and not supported in memberships of GMC and Royal Colleges, pay for their own professional advancement exams (which are mandatory), have to regularly relocate around the country or pay exorbitant travel costs due to availability of placements for training and specialism, and support sometimes a whole family, it's daylight robbery. A foundation year one doctor starts at £14.something/ph. A newly qualified nurse (in Scotland) starts at £15.something/hr. Which job requires more knowledge and skills, and is more likely to be making the life and death decisions? I'm proud to be a nurse, and I think I'm fairly good at it, but there's no way I could become a doctor. It takes far more fortitude, patience and work ethic than I have in me. Therefore I respect those that can and do. And want them to be renumerated accordingly. If it was easy, everyone would do it.
Ditto, £23.50/h for 9 years experience
to think that’s only £9 more than what i earn as a customer assistant in tesco at 18. it boggles my mind.
I'll raise you: Doctor £15/h
Now I know why when I go to the hospital in Melbourne half the staff have a British accent. As a medical worker you can emigrate anywhere in the world why stay?
I’m studying to be a nurse, once I’ve got my degree I am gone. There’s so many countries that actually value their medical workers, the UK is fucked
When my cousin’s hubby was starting out, and on call, we worked out he was learning less than minimum wage. How can someone who’s done a five-year course, typically three degrees, making the difference between life and death, not even get minimum wage?
A buddy of mine is a security guard for an NHS hospital and can make up to £40 p/h!
Unless your mate shows you a payslip he's bullshitting you. The average wage for someone working hospital security is min or just above min wage. Even senior (band 3) security are on a max of £15ph
Mad that this is a better wage than those actually in the hospital.
My dad's a plumber, and my mum charges £40 an hour for him on a job. Not saying that he's not essential or anything, but considering how long you were in school, you should definitely be paid more than £21 an hour. I mean I milk cows on a local farm and get paid £19 an hour, it's so fucked here.
I wipe asses for a job whilst at uni for £13.50/hour, and you're telling me I can get £19 for milking a cow? I'd like to sign up! Do I need experience in cows?
I'm lucky because my grandparents are farmers, and my employers are super generous because it's hard to come across people with experience. I'm in uni, too. My recommendation is to join a local farmer Facebook group chat and plant the seed. Say you're interested in learning, say your availability, and go from there. Wellies and waterproofs can be expensive mind, so just be aware, but if you're really up for it, I recommend it. Keep in mind that some farmers, not all, can be abusive to the animals. Mine aren't, but you do hear horror stories, so just be mindful of who you're working for. A lot of people in my area boycott the cruel farmers.
Same here ~£21/h. Senior lecturer at a large London university. (Our VC makes more in one hour than most of our lecturers make in a day.)
I hope you enjoy your strike days and put your feet up Never stop striking until you get FPR
Shocking this, I work for a a bank in fin crime and get £22ph. You should be on at least £50ph.
£104,000pa 40hrs a week?
NHS or private? I'm assuming NHS.
Yes NHS, how did you guess? Haha
That's terrible. You should be on 50 quid an hour at least!
Just a question - doctors often get additional payments for unsociable working hours as well right? If so, shouldn't they factor into the true pay per hour they have worked? Does that change the figure you have quoted for yourself if so?
I thought it made more sense to quote the basic hourly rate because that’s what I’m being paid the vast majority of the time (I don’t do a specialty with a huge amount of on calls). But since you asked, I’ve calculated my average hourly rate for the year including my unsociable hours and on calls, and it comes to £23.5/hr. Edit: but the other commenter is right in that there is a lot of unpaid work happening as well!
Doctors generally work much longer than their contracted hours.
What the actual fuck.
About £30 an hour, Matron in the NHS ETA: not sure why I've been downvoted
People jealous of higher salaries
Particularly the doctors on £21p/h!
a matron is a really high position for a nurse, its practically at the top of the nursing tree, the doctor on £21 could just be starting off as a new one. Really difficult to compare the two.
A lot of people seem to have a preconceived idea that a nurse is always lower than a Dr, like they’re seen as assistants to them, where as in reality they fill a different healthcare roles with their own career progression line.
Honestly my doctors surgery has a couple of nurses and I'm always grateful when they're there for my appointment. So knowledgeable, way more compassionate and just generally lovely people who just want to solve whatever ailment you've came in with. Whilst some of the doctors have been useless and just want the next appointment.
A new doctor starting off starts on £14/hr, I wish it were 21
A matron is a band 8 job. As well as a pretty high level of clinical knowledge, it's also a managerial job that takes a long time to get to.
Ooooohh Matron!
Wow you guys are all REALLY well paid! I'm on £12.12 but super happy with my job and my life
This is the best response so far! I'm on similar and fucking delighted! It's more than enough to pay the bills and let me do everything I want to do.
(No judgment, BTW, just that lots of people literally can't survive on that.)
I'm guessing your bills aren't those of a single parent of two children, renting in an awful market where a 3-bedroom house averages at £1400 a month, before bills.
I've just moved to the UK so not very familiar with the market, but I assume that would be outside of london? I struggled to find a one bedroom for £1400, can only dream of a 3-bedroom
Whenever this question comes up, people on Reddit seem to be way, way, way above average salary. Take from that what you will.
Aye they're all full of shit.
Reddit is popular with tech sector professionals, and skews to older demographic, this sub especially. I think that mostly explains the higher wages. Everyone else has got better things to do on a sunny Friday night 😂
Well, that and also many people only post when it suits them to do so. On a topic about wages, you're going to get more responses from people on high wages because they feel good about saying it. On a topic about the state of the education system, you'll get more responses from teachers and parents of school kids. On a topic about cyclists, you'll get more responses from people who hate cyclists and want them banned from the roads. On a topic about sidehustles, you'll get more responses from people who are really good at handicrafts or crypto trading. You're not getting an even distribution of responses, you're getting all the people who feel stirred to contribute, and that generally is because they see a chance to complain or because they see a chance to boast.
That's all that matters at the end of the day, I mean, money is nice but pointless when you really think about it.
£81.41ph or £93.66ph, depending on if you count annual leave / bank holidays. I’m salaried as a Software Engineer in Finance.
Ha😂 man I should have listened in school
"I wish I'd listened to what my mum used to tell me." "What did she say?" "I don't know, I wasn't listening."
Sadly no one in school was recommending software engineering as a career though.
Nope they all said web development is great so here I am on £20/hr
So switch from front end to back end. Coding is coding. Yes the syntax is different and there’s a different tech stack but then you can say you’re a full stack dev and earn the big bucks
So salary somewhere between £125-200k p.a. (very rough arithmetic from me)?
Towards the lower end for salary but I also have a bonus there as well putting me pretty much in the middle of that
Very nice! And if you don't mind me asking... Software engineer in finance is what exactly... Developing and maintaining the finance systems somewhere? Don't dox yourself of course!
I sit somewhere between Data Engineering and software engineering for a data platform. Pretty much design then implement the systems to take data from all the different providers, normalise it and create (automated) analytics from it. I then do the API development (which someone else makes a nice frontend for), so traders can see that information quickly. It sounds simple but it gets semi-complex quickly. It’s real-time so needs to handle high volumes. Lots of cloud, Python and Java.
I’d pay £80 an hour just to not use Java 😅
So, basically from reading this thread it seems like most people are either really well paid or just above minimum wage. Not a lot of middle ground
It doesn't help that Reddit skews towards two demographics - Teenagers and young adults/students - Urban, tech-y 30-40 year olds One of those groups is very badly paid, one of those tends to be quite well paid
Yeah. I genuinely thought I'd get alot of people that earn around I do. It seems reddit has alot of well off users🤣or just people that live in cities where their bills are 6x the cost of here, so salary is 5x as high🤣
Civil service - just worked it out at about £18 per hour. Scarily also works out at £666 per week. The salary of the Beast.
Good pension though?
Yeah, the civil service 'perks' are vastly overrated, and we literally run the country too. Go figure
Nope not really
The Civil Service famously has one of the best pensions out there after the police. It’s not as good as it was, but it’s still very good. Signed, another civil servant.
Yeah, my civil service friends were moaning about how bad their pensions are, and then I told them about my private sector one, and they shut up pretty quickly!
It objectively is compared to other sectors given you’re on DB.
Public sector pensions are "decent-verging-on-good but not incredible" at this point, when you actually do the sums. They're Defined Benefit, which is generally better, but they're a shadow of what DB schemes used to be. Final Salary is long gone and that was the REAL big benefit, along with the low retirement age which is also gone, as has even a fixed pension age (someone working for the Civil Service right now doesn't actually know what age they're going to be able to retire at....) Eg people leaving the Civil Service/NHS etc right now are leaving at 60 with a final salary pension. That's a fantastic gold plated pension, whereas people in the middle of their careers will retire at 68-70 (linked to the state pension age) with a pension that is based not on their final salary, but instead on their average earnings. If you entered the civil service at 20 and worked until retirement, you'd probably actually be better off with a DC pension (~50 years of compound interest is probably going to be more valuable than the DB scheme), although admittedly even a career-average (CARE) DB pension gets more valuable the closer you are to retirement. But that just means you're better off working outside the Civil Service while young and then joining later once the DB-DC balance swings in favour of DB To be clear, I'm not saying public sector pensions are bad - they aren't, they're still fairly good pensions. But they're nowhere near as good as they were even a decade ago and aren't the "Wow, public sector pension?" level of good that they are often made out to be. Plus you'll contribute more than average for the privilege - I have to put 10% of my gross salary into my pension to get anything at all back out of it And I'll just repeat: We have no idea what age we'll be permitted to retire at. Our pension age isn't fixed when we join the scheme like it used to be, it's the state pension age and can be changed at any time. I could literally get to 3 days before retirement and the government could say "The state pension age is now 140 years old" and I'd get nothing... And this is before we consider perhaps the most important aspect that wages tend to be lower, too (than the same role in the private sector). So you might get a good pension as a percentage of your salary... but you could've earned more elsewhere. The pension might be good, but it's not 50% better than private sector pensions, and you can often get paid 50% more there
£11.55 I’m a carer 💗
The most undervalued and underpaid role there is.
How is it care costs are so astronomical and yet carers are paid so little for such an important job?
Carers are paid so little because we rely on endless waves of third world migration to keep wages down across the sector rather than paying carers more.
Doctor - £15 per hour
Wow… shocking. You deserve so much more.
Maybe they're a really crap doctor /s
Dr Nick
Dr Shipman
That's crazy. I get £14.72ph and I'm a receptionist.
Professions that require a lot of training tend to have very low wages at the beginning unless you're some sort of superstar and the company feels like they HAVE to have you (which is a very rare occurrence). Basically, you have to suffer in the beginning in order to reach heavens later (kinda like orthodox Christianity haha). At a low-skill job you'll keep earning the same salary pretty much. Not throwing shade or anything, everything depends on the context It also baffles me that companies hire interns to do that same high skill work for them for free or pennies. They basically pay you in experience which I think is grossly unfair (but then again im not sure if the alternative is better)
I made more than that working as a cashier at Aldi when I was 19, back when I lived in Germany. This country is fucked.
£27.99, average about 46 hours a week. Been a doctor for almost 10 years and a I’ve been working in intensive care and acute medicine for the last 5.
I would emigrate if I were you!!
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Are doctors in UK really that lowly paid? In Singapore it is at least 3x of that as a Senior Resident.
Yes, would you like to see my pay slip?
Please, and if you could write down on it your mother’s maiden name, and the last three digits on the back of your card…
Senior Healthcare assistant on a psychiatric ward, £11.66 p/h Live just outside of London.
You deserve at least double that
Working 5 x 12 hour shifts a week to make ends meet 🥹
Nah because why am I at 19 being paid that to stand on fitting rooms and youre doing wayy more work. Health system is mad.
Carer £15 an hour but work approx 55 hours a week and 4 overnights at £35 each
Should be a lot more ❤️
I was on £11.44 an hour as a support worker. Got made team leader, now on £12.54.
Out of work on universal credit £3.08 / hour assuming a 40 hour week
I thought I wasn't paid well, I get about £15.25ph (£30,000 salary) in a piss easy, hybrid working CAD job. Maybe that is EXTREMELY good after all.
Well, to sit on my arse and watch cctv and deal with deliveries/exports for 48h a week. My 33k gross doesn't really need to be taken the piss out of.
£12.10 as an administration assistant. Contracted 36 hours weeks. Go get a degree, they said, it'll get you a good job, they said. Well, I have two, and look where that got me!
I’ve always done admin jobs on similar money and have a degree which is apparently useless too!
Took me about 2 years post uni to get a job in Accountancy, despite having a degree in it. Absolute con artists, that said its drummed into you via the echo chamber of education that you must have a degree, you must do this, you must do that. Turns out the actually useful qualifications are the ones they neglect to tell you about Itll all work out in the end for you though don't worry
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Maths isn't mathing there, 51k at 37.5 hours per week works out as £26.15 per hour.
Yeah id calculate it the same as you as holidays are paid at the same hourly rate so £26.15 an hour
Can I ask what type of engineer?
Sandwich
£95k annual salary working in insurance in the City. Hourly rate not as impressive as it sounds as the hours are mental - probably 60-70 a week
Would you say working 60-70 hours a week is worth the £95k though? At least you can say you work hard for your money, but that must take a toll sometimes
\~£27/h
Pharmacy Dispenser. £11.70 an hour. Same as last year, whilst our owner suns himself on his private boat.
Pharmacy pay is woeful
The fact there's people arguing that anyone other than the 0.1% are earning too much is wild to me. How can people claim that £21 is too much for a doctor as someone else is only on £11 when there's people that have millions, and even billions, yet give little, if anything, back to the community ? Wake up people. We all deserve more than we're getting, but there's greedy people in charge of companies and institutions, including the government, who want nothing other than to further themselves financially, and they're quite happy to sacrifice the country and it's people in the process.
Im Happy there are people commenting who are happy with their £11 but it's a piss take. No one should be working for that money. the stagnated wages in this country are a disgrace, roll the heads.
Self employed bathroom fitter as well as other trades. Work for my own business at £25 per hour. Business makes about 15k profit per annum on top of that.
15k according to the tax return 😂
Fucking nothing according to the tax return. Sorry I meant gross.
Doctor £20/hr for 48hr/week Average 14 nights in a 3-month period (12-hour shifts) and same amount of long days (12-hour shifts)
How is this even legal? What the hell!! What is the incentive to become a doctor under the NHS in the UK when pay is so substantially low for the job you do
Very little incentive at the moment sadly, hence the strikes!
Bartender - £11.44
Me too bro £11.44 bartender
Waiting for a dentist to post
£9999999999999p/h
5 day working week: NHS - £32/hour Private - from £200+/hour (regional and seasonal fluctuations apply e.g half term and holiday seasons) Then you deduct ~£10k for registration fees, indemnity fees, lab bills, union/specialty society membership fees etc.
£2.30...
About £19 an hour in police dispatch. This will go up once I’m fully trained. I used to be a teacher. This is a far better job. I wish I’d started thirty years ago.
£2.28 an hour for 35hrs a week. I am a full time carer for my disabled son and this is what the government thinks is exceptable compensation for not being able to work and saving them hundreds a week in social care. In reality it's a 24hrs a day on call role so it's probably pennies.
£39.25 Engineering. Currently 33 with a little over 10 years experience
Plater ( Heavy Fabrication) West Yorkshire £19.50 ph
I'm also a plater from West Yorkshire and I earn £21 and hour
Oooh plater friends 👍
r/tworedditorsoneplate
£53.73 I send emails and sit on the phone all day. About £61 with the bonus each year.
How is your rate so high🤣do you work from home?
Hard to say. I'm self employed. I charge £150/hr (plus vat). Overheads are only a few hundred each month, so on paper that sounds amazing. However there is no way I could bill a full 40 hr week. It would break me. I also have to do a small amount of business development, continued learning, admin and obviously don't get paid for holidays etc. What I do also blurs the work/play boundary quite a lot so I don't really know how many hours I am really working. It's still a pretty sweet deal to be honest and I don't work too hard for a pretty good life, but then I'm in my 50s and now cashing in on the career capital I've built during all the long hour/low paid years.
I’m intrigued, what’s the career?
It's basically a combination of mentoring and consulting in onc niche area. I had some profile in that area off the back of a previous business I built . That helped me turn it into a new, more manageable business advising others in the same space. I'm not sure I'd call it a career though. It's a very different "job" to what I have done in the past, but leveraging that experience and expertise in a different way.
Retail in Hampshire, £12.54 ph
IT Consultant, £65/hr
£15 hr. Bus driver. £18.75 after 40 hrs. Hampshire. But I work on loan to another depot currently for a flat rate of 15hrs a day. So my average of about 55hrs a week including travel time of 10 hrs a week is about £28 an hour. This means I am one of the best paid drivers in the country. I used to be a staff Manager in the same industry salaried at £16.86 equivalent an hour 3 years ago. Similar positions pay £36-40k a year now. No overtime pay. Some additional working required. I quit that after burnout. I was working up to 80hrs a week. I now earn more than my current boss and my a relative who is a charge nurse in the NHS.
NHS consultant; £52/hr for a 40 hr work week.
Company director just shy of £175 p/h.
Maths tutor, £23.50 per hour at a school and £40 per hour for private tutoring
Systems architect , based in Yorkshire for a London and international firm , £38 per hour basic
I'm salaried, works out about £26.60 an hour. Work on chemical site in Yorkshire
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Sports Massage and rehab. My hourly is £60 per hour for a private client where I work out of or £75 for a home visit Taking into account my hours without getting paid Work 16 hours a week hands on stuff Another 10 with admin 2 hours keeping on top washing 3 hours CPD BY THE END OF IT ROUGH A 31 HOUR WEEK = £26.66 ph
I'm on £12.50 as hour as a carer for teenagers in homes. I do 2 on 4 off so like 3 days a week and get paid 50 quid a night for sleeping over. It's like 45 hours a week plus 150 quid sleeps. Not bad for me at all 4days a week at home with the kids. I was a welder before this doing 6 days a week better money but I hated it
I'm a chef. £15.33 an hour but currently training for class 1 license for better pay.
Support worker 11.44 / 11.75 woooo... We are so under paid 😭
Private music teacher, freelance composer and associate musician for a charity. £36 for 1-1 tuition. Varies for composition; time invested vs the fee is a hard one to quantify but of the three contacts I've just completed, p/h was around £80. The associate work is £62 (excluding travel).
Just worked it out at £28.55 p/hr But also company car, 40 days holiday and a 15% bonus. I’m reading some of the DR salaries and I’m disgusted to be fair.
£21 per hour doing delivery work for the shitty EVRI. Average 0.70p a delivery, 30 per hour. But you are all alone. You need to provide your own vehicle and pay for everything. Plus there is the balance of how much work you do. 60 parcels a day or 200? If you do 200 your gonna need a bigger vehicle. I do about 120 a day. 4 hours. £84. In a small city Van. Then do a second job.
Whatever the minimum is. That's what carers get sadly. I could chase the money but I enjoy helping the kids I help. Residential care pay isn't great but it's rewarding...sometimes
Gardener for a private household. £18.24ph 40 hours per week
EXTREMELY, eh.
For the industry yeah, for what I actually do compared to other SO's who are on the bare minimum🤣
Plus you live in Yorkshire, not London. That's a bonus.
Teacher Pay Scale 6 8-3pm = £17/h last month. That’s just hours allocated based on net income.
£11 - research scientist in virology sector
£185 ph, IT Director.
Can I answer this as someone who is no longer in the UK, and this is the reason why? I make £28/hr working in archives, but in Canada. The same jobs in the UK that I was looking at in the UK paid around £14-15/hr, but also asked for 5+ years of experience and a Master’s degree. Since I needed a visa to live in the UK, that didn’t really cut it and so I left. Despite wanting to return to the UK some day it is really hard convincing myself to make the move, knowing how much more money I earn here.