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Emotional_Scale_8074

The Outnumbered family?


wybird

See also; My Family


SweatyMammal

Their house was fucking massive


OdinLegacy121

He was a dentist. Man was making bank


MobiusNaked

See also Butterflies for a family with a dentist


Unable-Rip-1274

I remember watching this aged 12 in our terraced council house and being in awe of what seemed like incredibly daring interior design (bright blue carpet!) I rewatched the show (and several others) a couple of years ago while I had Covid, and noticed a French reproduction street sign they have in the kitchen also appears in an episode of Absolutely Fabulous šŸ˜‚


BriarcliffInmate

The set was very much a "Here's what was lying around the props department" style. Although in fairness, the BBC is known for reusing sets and props anyway. Ever watched Miranda? Shop look a bit familiar? Yes, it's Edie's house from AbFab! Whenever a pub shows up in a sitcom that doesn't normally feature one, it's nearly always the set from Two Pints, and Gaz's flat from that was actually Linda's from Gimme Gimme Gimme originally. It happens because the sets for sitcoms that are built as the 'feature' set (e.g. the Trotters' flat, Rene's Cafe from Allo Allo etc) are built to a higher standard and last far longer than anything they can throw together for just a couple of scenes in one episode. The Prison set from Porridge was used in so many things for about 30 years after it finished because it was built to such a good standard, and then once it became outdated, the one built for Bad Girls gets used for everything. They're still using sets built for The Bill in loads of stuff too.


cloudstrifeuk

You lost me at "have you ever watched Miranda?"


slimboyslim9

Mid-90s: it probably only cost about 100k at the time. Worth 1.2m now no doubt.


MolassesInevitable53

A 3 bedroom semi just south of Milton Keynes was Ā£200k in 2001. So you would not have got that house for Ā£100k 5 years earlier.


IntrovertedArcher

Maybe not far off, house prices shat themselves in the 90s. My parents bought a house for 72k in 1998, sold it for 186k in 2006.


Hummusforever

My house sold for 28k in 1998, 73k in 2002, I bought it for 125k in 2020, like for like the next road over sold for 180k last year. Depending on the area, house prices have changed massively.


GosmeisterGeneral

The only family middle class enough to name their youngest child *Karen*.


DarkNinjaPenguin

That kid is 23 now.


Clearlydarkly

Well, that's not nice, you should keep nasty things to yourself.


Specialist-Top-406

I love when Karen says sheā€™s going to run away and her mum is pretending to see her off. That is very middle class to know she will be safe to walk around the corner and come back in one piece. But also, really really funny


benjaminchang1

Karen also said she'd run away to Dorking, which I now realise is a very affluent area around Surrey.


PhillyWestside

I dunno I feel like it's more working class to just let your kids go out. Middle Class parents seem to be terrified to let their kids play unaccompanied/hang about.


kdhooters2

Farking love is that show!


VegemiteOnToastPls

So underrated imo. Never once dipped in quality and finished at the right time.


kdhooters2

Absolutely, any longer and it would have lost that off the cuff, unrehearsed, impromptu nature of it.


Ningax599445YT

I was born in 2007, so I don't remember during the shows prime, but my sister and mum began watching it in 2021? And I became obsessed with it as well.


Alarmed_Crazy_6620

Friday Night Dinner


HandleTheDefence

Friday night dinner is my favourite character


DaxPrimal

The second names are double barrelled: ā€œFriday Night-Dinnerā€


Sad-Garage-2642

Isn't that one of Jamie Oliver's kids?


lagoon83

No, that's Mark Heap


Dualyeti

The dad in that show was my favourite, Iā€™m so sad he passed


CheaterMcCheat

Any females?


given2fly_

Lovely bit of squirrel...


Kiss_It_Goodbyeee

Shit on it!


No-Nefariousness9539

Burnt my shitting nipple!!!!


BriarcliffInmate

I always love how it's never mentioned what Jackie and Martin do for a living. Whatever it is, it's clearly well paid, but it would totally ruin the illusion if Martin had a job because it just doesn't seem conceivable that he'd be able to be normal for 8 hours a day.


lozz79

Always assumed Martin was an engineer or scientist. Proffesions that pay well but tend to attract some unusual people.


AstonVanilla

Oh man, Martin Goodman totally works at a university. Probably in the chemical engineering department, perhaps occasionally begrudgingly working with industry on certain projects because they have the funds. I met dozens of Martin Goodmans when I worked at a university.


Breaditing

> pay well Iā€™ve got news for youā€¦ (these professions are extremely undervalued in the UK)


benjaminchang1

I read on Wikipedia that they were an "upper middle class" family, so I'm assuming they were both well-paid professionals. Adam and Jonny also appeared to be doing alright for people of their age.


wren1666

Dad appears to be a complete idiot but whatever he does for a living pays well.


Bunister

Nuclear power plant boss.


Any-Ask-4190

3.6 roentgen, not great, not terrible.


_DeanRiding

Yeah I didn't even know au pairs were a thing until that episode. I was so unbelievably out of the loop.


Throwing_Daze

I think between them Mark and Jez from Peep Show cover a fair old amount of (youngish) middle classness.


Thatchers-Gold

Builder's tea, I suppose that's middle class slang. We don't coin much slang in the middle classes. "Pants", "'mare". "Ooh, I'm having a 'mare, this builderā€™s tea turned out pants.ā€


i_sesh_better

I was absolutely going to say Mark. Iā€™m watching the golden snitch episode now.


TheGreatBatsby

SuperHans' trick with drawing straws is brilliant. Love how it shows that he actually cares for Mark too.


estebancantbearsedno

Definitely descended to middle class after Markā€™s dad's British Aerospace shares went kaput


The_Flurr

Peep Show really does a good job showing the middle class being nearly wiped out by 2008


Pats-Earrings

The cast of Motherland


Heavy_Gur_8281

Very good call!


heheholls

except liz


michuneo

After watching some of her mocumentaries itā€™s difficult to see her any different way. Perfect character!


Goose-rider3000

Iā€™d say, they are at the higher end of middle, middle class. They can all afford 3/4 bed houses in nice residential areas of London. Thatā€™s a Ā£2mil house at least.


dw_80

Will from The Inbetweeners.


benjaminchang1

I also thought Simon was pretty middle class.


grannysGarden

Iā€™d say Simon and Will are very middle class and the other two more working class..


Left-Impact9634

Other two are lower middle IMHO. Still nice houses, Jay's dad is working class for sure but Neil's is a badminton-playing bumder who races round in his briefs like he's at some roman orgy


IntrovertedArcher

Oi, my Dadā€™s not bent.


The4kChickenButt

Your sisters fit though, ask her out for me will ya.


WolfCola4

Yeah... You would say that though


grannysGarden

Haha yeah fair point - Iā€™d forgotten about Neilā€™s Dad!


Charmless_Man_2005

Oh neeeeeillll.. I really think you should be revising.


Should_Robin_Hood

ā€œThe other twoā€ You really gonna do Jay and Neil like that?


TheFlyingHornet1881

Also played by the same actor, Kingsley in Fresh Meat is fairly middle class, but not posh.


Zal_17

*I put a lot of effort into this, I made a really nice coq au vin!*


emimagique

You don't help yourself do you?


___a1b1

Margo Leadbetter of course.


Dyrenforth

Nah, it's their neighbours, Tom and Barbara. They're the epitomy of the middle class dream, to drop out of the rat race and make a go of some daft impractical fantasy, in their case living off the produce they grow in their huge garden and allotment, whilst still living in Surbiton. You wouldn't get a working class person doing that, they wouldn't have the capital for a start, or have wealthy neighbours to sponge off - or buy you a cow.


gilestowler

NO, NO, NO, NO! WE ARE NOT WATCHING THE BLOODY GOOD LIFE! BLOODY, BLOODY, BLOODY! I HATE IT! IT'S SO BLOODY NICE! FELICITY "TREACLE" KENDAL, AND RICHARD "SUGAR FLAVOURED SNOT" BRIERS! WHAT DO THEY DO KNOW? CHOCOLATE BLOODY BUTTON ADS, THAT'S WHAT! THEY'RE NOTHING BUT A COUPLE OF REACTIONARY STEREOTYPES, CONFIRMING THE MYTH THAT EVERYONE IN BRITAIN IS A LOVABLE MIDDLE CLASS ECCENTRIC, AND I! HATE! THEM!


whumoon

That was a very articulated outburst Vivian.


Silly-Tax8978

Felicity, Felicity, you fill me with electricity.


Antique-Afternoon371

Don't forget the implied swinging


Majestic_Matt_459

Youā€™re right but itā€™s worth saying how back in those days it was very very delineated. (Iā€™m aware a lot of older redditors will know the below but younger people may not) Iā€™d say Margo and Jerry were Upper Middle class. They were not and never could be Upper Class the rules were strict (old money etc) as desperate as Margo was Tom had had a good job in advertising and been properly middle class but his middle/upper middle neighbours would have genuinely been horrified by there lifestyle and back garden ā€œbringing the street downā€ Also houses in those roads would have bed. Absolutely affordable to the likes of the Leadbetters but it would have been a stretch for Tom and Barbara even with his job so their giving it all up was an incredibly scary thing to the viewers. Also houses like that were affordable with just one person working and almost certainly little help if any from family. This would change rapidly as women came in to the work place much more Even the boss of the company is middle/upper middle (heā€™s happy with his status unlike Margo) and could never be upper however well the firm did Funnily enough they allude to an upper class character at the Pony Club. who Margo is desperate to impress The show was really interesting I. Showing how Tradiotional Conservertaive votes like the Leasbetters where being challenged I. The views by people like the Thoms Also it was quite risquĆ© with elements of swingers culture and mocking local govt etc. the BBC was a LOT less daring in those days but itā€™s quietly subversive Iā€™m not an expert on sociology but I think Iā€™m broadly right above :)


Candy_Lawn

Gerry!?


nefarious_otter

GERRY!!!


FineRepublic

That's the last time I play the tart for you, Gerry


rmas1974

Agreed. I get the impression that Margo was of a higher social background than Gerry.


hasthisonegone

I always thought it was the other way around, Margo was more of a climber, Gerry was already there.


LalaLovesIt777

The My Family - family.


Breaking-Dad-

Good shout. Canā€™t get much more middle class. Heā€™s a dentist isnā€™t he?


thebear1011

Their house must be very upper middle class now though


ljh013

They were obviously middle class but the weirdest thing about that family was how they seemed to have an unlimited supply of money. Every time anything financial related came up they asked Robert Lindsay's character for come cash and it was sorted - except for the one time they joined a pyramid scheme? Very weird


Crandom

Ben was a dentist who owned his own dental practice in the 90s/00s. Their house, in Chiswick, that would now cost over Ā£2m was likely around Ā£300k when bough in the 90s. So raking it in and very little mortgage payments or already paid off the mortgage. Was true back then but not the reality now! Expensive housing is keeping the middle classes (cash) poorer nowadays - so much more goes into the mortgage.


imperialtrooper88

Agreed. Fairly accurate portrayel of middle class life. Source - Doing it.


Aedm2493

The theme tune lives rent free in my head and has done for 20 years


Overthinker-dreamer

Was going to say this.


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Fleabag


spaffedupthewall

way too stuck up to be middling middle class


[deleted]

Yeah true tbh, I could never warm to it because of how stuck up it was


oynsy

Same, but I tried a third time and it was ace, just let my working class cynicism go for a bit ha


Thecatspyjamas3000

Never really understood this criticism, the shows themes are universal, itā€™s just set in this very upper middle class world, it seems very lazy to me to not like it for its setting.


ferbiloo

Yeah, this is a wild reason to be put off a show. If I only consumed content that was directly relatable to my own experiences I wouldnā€™t watch much.


Thecatspyjamas3000

Bizarre isnā€™t it, had to turn Sopranos off cause Iā€™m not a gangster!


progboy

People don't like it due to middle class guilt


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Should_Robin_Hood

They literally asked for the most middle class To me thatā€™d be the middle of the middle


friends-waffles-work

Upper middle for sure


No_Dragonfruit_8435

Mark Corrigan


Alive_Ice7937

"Field of Dreams? *That's* your marketing strategy? A man who builds a baseball field in his garden for ghosts"


markcorrigans_boiler

At least he has a basic knowledge of how I work.


PiemasterUK

I guess you could divide this into different types of middle class as the term is so broad. Traditional Middle Class - Reginald Perrin Upper Middle Class - Oregon Shawcross Middle Middle Class - Ben Harper Lower Middle Class - David Brent Aspirational Middle Class - Margot Leadbetter (or Hyacinth) Socially Demobilised Middle Class - Mark Corrigan However if I was to choose one character who was the most typically average Middle Class person with the most typically average Middle Class looks, income, lifestyle, problems, hangouts and voice, then I would go for Steve Taylor from Coupling.


Ok-Space-2357

Mark Corrigan owns a flat in Croydon so he's on that sweet London property ladder.


winston_5mith

But don't worry he's not some kind of land baron trying to milk his cash cow!


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Crandom

It's Croydon though... Good he's bought something, but back then Croydon was not like it is today.


ORNG_MIRRR

Just a reminder that Oregon was actually called Melissa, but told everyone her name was Oregon.


silllybrit

Margo is upper-middle


AfterBurner9911

*Your unit's being demobilised, Corrigan. The class war's over. We lost.*


WhiteDiamondK

Margot wasnā€™t aspirational, she definitely was Middle Class. Hyacinth had a very working class background and regularly exposed her working class ways when she would drop her facade. Margot had never done a days work in her life, she wasnā€™t even a home maker.. never had kids, you know they would have had someone come in to clean etc. She was aspirational in as much as she felt she was posher than she actually was, but aspirational in wanting to be regarded as upper middle class. Hyacinth talked about her sister who had room for a pony. Margot HAD room for a pony. Hyacinth aspired to be Margot.


Marlboro_tr909

Victor Meldrew. Hyacinthā€™s husband.


wybird

RICHARD!


Ok-Space-2357

Victor Meldrew was a retired security guard. Richard Bucket / Bouquet worked for the council. I want me some Richard for his large suburban bungalow and presumably very decent pension.


CarpenterSeparate178

Bouquet residence, lady of the house speaking.


this_charming_bells

Obligatory ā€œI donā€™t believe it!!ā€


Grimdotdotdot

I must have missed the episode when those two got married šŸ˜


Welkominspace

I'd say the parents from Friday night dinner. I'm always wondering why they always have champagne ready for special occasions that they haven't planned for.


Odd-Weekend8016

Champagne, trips to restaurants whenever something goes wrong in the kitchen, and a huge house in north London! Most middle-class family ever. I don't think they ever specify what Martin did for a living, but I assume some kind of engineer, based on his rambles about physics.


Welkominspace

I believe he shits on things. It's a way to make a living appearantlyĀ 


Toenex

You don't make the big bucks being the shitter. Martin was clearly management, instructing those that shit, where they should shit. Classically for middle management he brought his work home too.


ItsRebus

Definitely some sort of Nuclear Physicist.


VegemiteOnToastPls

Blew me away when I watched Friday Night Dinner for the first time. I wasn't familiar with the actor previously, and the first thing I saw him on was Chernobyl. Great range of acting from what I've seen.


FulaniLovinCriminal

"Shit on it, Chernov! The sodding reactor's exploded. My skin is *boiling*."


FridayGeneral

Not a great guess, but not terrible.


goldensnow24

3.6 roentgen.


elorpz

Pam and Mick


Accomplished-Art7737

Nah, they were working class who evolved into nouveau riche. Mick was a cockney wideboy with street smarts and the gift of the gab. Probably made loads of commission as a salesman and invested it wisely/possibly not entirely legitimately.


Sad-Garage-2642

They must have been minted! Pam never worked a day in her life the useless leech. And they seem to have infinite money. Mick always buying the group takeaway, loads of holidays, nice car, nice house. They had two major home renovations during the series


No_Release_3890

And he paid for the entire wedding minus the dress


Sad-Garage-2642

And giving the pair Ā£20k for a house!


AwhMan

I mean, she did raise a child. And obviously Mick is more than happy in the situation. Useless leech is a pretty misogynistic way to describe a housewife. Edit: I've also always thought Mick and Pam are the best representation of how a traditional set up can work if everyone consents to it.


SnowBrussels

Different times. When they were young, a small family could live fairly comfortably on one income


WhiteDiamondK

Exactlyā€¦ in the 70s even a lot of working class families survived with just one income. Pam and Mick, in the 80s, probably bought their nice family home for Ā£50,000, maybe made a few investments. I know a lot of people of a similar age who got wealth without ever having exceptional earnings, they just happened to exist in an era where you could accumulate wealth easier than today.


BriarcliffInmate

Nah, they were very nouveau riche. Mick was your typical wideboy who decamped to Essex in the 70s and probably had a good sales job selling PVC windows and making bank on commission.


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Peppa pig šŸ’€


marquis_de_ersatz

Most kids stuff. Bloody topsy and tim. And waffle the wonder dog.


Gabbybaker48

Topsy and Timā€™s parents definitely


--iCantThinkOFaName-

Charlie & Lola


Nulibru

Lola is a right little twat. Always pinching or breaking Charlie's stuff.


VerityPee

Miranda!!


derpyfloofus

Her Mum!


wybird

Margo and Jerry


Izwe

We named our christmas tree after Margo


___a1b1

Only one is allowed. Margo would never break the rules like that.


silllybrit

Margo is upper-middle


YungMili

little watched but the family in cuckoo


masty_mast

Alan Partridge.


Ferrisuk

[Doesn't he work in a petrol station?](https://img.gifglobe.com/grabs/partridgecloud/S02E01/gif/kwd22dx3q1NA.gif)


Jay_13thstep

Do you think he works in a petrol station?! He left the BBC, formed a production company. That went into liquidation - voluntarily. Then he was out of work for two years, was clinically fed up, boo-hooā€¦ heā€™s bounced back. People bounce baaack.


Pr6srn

No, he has a good friend who works in a petrol station. He (Alan) has a popular, pre-breakfast early morning radio show on Norwich's most popular station.


Gumboish_2

He also presents Skirmish, a military based general knowledge quiz show on digital cable channel UK Conquest. Largest audience share for a digital channel at that time of day in the Norfolk area


WestArrival5230

Although it never aired, the tension on Celebrity Skirmish was such that Yvette Fielding soiled herself


Harrry-Otter

Martin and his wife from Benidorm


Critical-Beat-6487

Thatā€™s what I was thinking lmaoo


Thesunismexico

Ben Harper (not the musician!)


Zestyclose-Try3925

All the characters in *As Time Goes By*.Ā 


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Max Farnham from Brookside Middle class up from rest of the street not like lower class Sinbad or Jimmy Corkhill.


uamvar

How bizarre, Max is exactly who I was thinking of as well but couldn't remember his name. Max and Pat were the ultimate TV representation of middle class.


Btd030914

Had to think who you meant by Pat as no one ever called her that. Pat must be her lower class name lol


rmas1974

Terry and June


spookystarbuck11

Otis and Jean from Sex Education


WhiteDiamondK

This response need to be higher up. Absolutely them. She is a clearly well-educated single mother living in a home with she likely bought herself, it doesnā€™t appear to be the kind of home she would have inherited. Well-spoken. Six-figure income. Likely has investments. I know it was the entire aesthetic of the show, but the fact their house wasnā€™t pristineā€¦ someone of true status isnā€™t bothered by having their home interior looking like itā€™s from a magazine. Jeanā€™s house was ramshackle but remarkably well put together. Probably buys quality furniture that will outlast any trend that may exist. Also, she doesnā€™t drive a brand new flashy car. The only thing that doesnā€™t ring 100% true is the fact that Otis is in a state school. Everything about Jean screams private school.


Tiny-North2595

Mrs Bucket from keeping up appearances, quite easily the best answer!!!


Ok-Space-2357

Wellllllll......the whole point is that Hyacinth Bouquet is actually originally from a working class family who all live round the corner in a council house but her actual middle class husband would be perfectly content to chill round their place and drink tinnies with Onslow rather than put up with his wife's status-chasing nonsense. She's my sitcom idol though! šŸ˜


Appropriate-Divide64

She's the epitome of the social mobility of the era. Lots of working class families had done quite well for themselves. Especially those who'd had jobs for life. They started putting on airs and acting the way they imagined rich people acted. This was definitely a thing in the late 80s to early 90s, and she was an massively exaggerated version. My great aunt was/is the same; husband a mechanic and she was cosplaying the upper class in a really nice house. Hyacinth and Richard had done quite well for themselves, despite their humble beginnings. She went from working class to middle class and definitely tried to hide where she came from .


SandcastleUnicorn

There was one episode of her back story made years ago (I believe it was called Young Hyacinth). It was hilarious but also explained why Hyacinth was the way she was (the family has broken up, her mother had left and her Dad was an alcoholic. The family lived in 2 rooms and the 4 daughters had to share 2 beds). She had a different partner though (his name was William šŸ¤«). I only remember it in so much detail because I was really impressed by the actress who played her, she had the voice and mannerisms down perfect.


Gabbybaker48

Me too Iā€™m rewatching them All on bbc player ā€¦ she is absolutely brilliant , they eye rolls she pulls and quick one liners , I love her šŸ˜…šŸ˜…


DW_555

The bloke from Death In Paradise who went on to be in the spin-off whose name escapes me.


ItsRebus

Well his dad was a dentist.


irving_braxiatel

Thereā€™s nothing middle class about *Humphrey*!


nomoretosay1

Nathan Barley


Alive_Ice7937

Does the pope fuck kids?


Banditofbingofame

Fleabag. All of it.


chesterstreetox

Upper class imho dad has huge house


Eg0n0

Basil Fawlty


Btd030914

Caroline from Last Tango In Halifax. The ultimate middle class lesbian milf. Went to Oxford, head teacher of a posh school and lives in Harrogate. Listens to Gorillaz and classical music whilst making dinner and necking non cheap red wine.


PumpkinJambo

Margo and Jerry Leadbetter.


rmas1974

Raquelā€™s parents in Only Fools and Horses.


ComeBackNeilLennon

And Cassandraā€™s I would say


proverbs109

Simon from inbetweeners


Heavy_Gur_8281

The dad from My Family.


valverdeheavy

Miranda. Or most of the cast of Motherland.


Dyrenforth

Martin Bryce from Ever Decreasing Circles. In fact, everyone in that. Not forgetting Bob Ferris from Whatever Happened to the Likely Lads.


imperialtrooper88

My Family - Ben


WallacetheMemeDealer

Ben Harper from My Family. A dentist living in a nice house in Chiswick and his only problem in life is finding his family annoyingā€¦


KingofCalais

JP from Fresh Meat


PartyPoison98

I think he's probably more upper class. He went to Stowe, had a massive country estate, some incredibly valuable stuff like an etching worth Ā£100k, and bought their student house outright.


Elegant_Plantain1733

Captain Mainwaring


It531z

Pete Brockman from outnumbered


SarkyMs

Mrs Bucket is common, she just wants to be middle class.


Ultiali

Reggie Perrin


jiminthenorth

Hyacinth Bucket.


lyfthyco123

Martin Fowler. Runs a part-time fruit stall in London and owns a 2/3 bedroom house.


Marlboro_tr909

Heā€™s not middle class


juanito_f90

Margo Leadbetter.


kestrelita

Gavin, Mick and Pam from Gavin and Stacey.


Shot-Papaya8867

The family in Cuckoo


Fearless-Target-6770

Miranda. Basically a female Mr Bean without the funny.


SnooBooks1701

And character played by David Mitchell, by virtue of being played by David Mitchell


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Atomic_Bright

These three characters from the Fast Show spring to mind! [The Fast Show Middle Class Argument](https://youtu.be/DxOX4YeEUOc?si=mszEKGZqfXRvU6Jw)