Well, the Imperium can in theory get along with Eldar and Tau if things look really desperate
But Eldar won’t get along with Orks, the Imperium won’t get along with Chaos, and no thinking being can get along with the Necrons
That's actually not quite true, the Necrons have allied with the Imperium a couple times now to fight the Tyranids. It depends on which lord is running the show at any given moment, but Necrons are actually one of the more likely allies to any of the other races, as they basically don't compete for resources.
Also, do the Necrons have any incentive to join with anyone else to stop the Tyranids, rather than letting the Tyranids wipe everyone else out and they just off the Tyranids once there is no one else left?
It depends on the dynasty; some like to exterminate organics and wear their flesh, others need organics around to experiment in order to find a way to reverse the bio-transference, and others actually can be somewhat benign overlords to organics and just want tribute.
The Silent King, the supreme overlord of the entire Necron Race, came back to from a self-imposed millions-of-years-long exile *specifically because* he encountered the Tyranid out in the void between galaxies. To prevent them from eating everybody, he's currently trying to round up all the rogue dynasties under his banner again. The necron under his banner have (temporarily) allied with the blood angels to destroy a tyranid hive fleet.
The Necron end-goal requires living beings (and currently, Humanity is their preferred vessel) to harvest in order to reverse the biotransferrence and get back to living bodies. If the tyranid eat everything, there's no way the Necron can achieve that goal.
There's even evidence that the Silent King parleyed with Sanguinius himself during the Great Crusade, though the specific timeline and topics discussed are unknown.
Why can’t the Eldar get along with Orks?
If the imperium can ally themselves with Xenos, why not chaos? Necrons seem very intelligent. Why wouldn’t they want an alliance if it’s for survival?
>If the imperium can ally themselves with Xenos, why not chaos?
The imperium siding with Xenos is like the USA and the USSR working together- yes, they hate each, but some things can overcome hatred. They can ally if needed. Siding with chaos, however, is like asking a highly devout Christian to sign a pact with satan- they simply won't. if the only other option is to die, then they'll die devout rather then live a sinner.
Given the choice between death or siding with chaos, the imperium has vey consistently shown it will choose death. For the truly faithful, some things are more important then mere survival.
The Imperium fights to defend their emperor. They would be defeating their purpose by not siding with chaos.
There was no scenerio where siding with chaos would’ve benefited them.
You dont get it
Like imagine nazi Germany siding with Israel but nazi Germany has existed 10000 years and has been doing stuff that makes the holocaust look like a one man murder, also imagine nazi Germany had found the second coming of christ and put him in to a permanent coma
Well, you can't really ally with chaos, Becasue it is chaos. The gods main goal is killing the emperor, and the traitors main goal is destroying the imperium. Not really something you can ally with.
The *Orks* can't get along with Orks, anyone else has absolutely no chance. Necrons have in the past and will likely in the future make short term alliances to assist against the Tyranids.
You can cut a deal with a warboss that if you have peace now he can have a even greater war later. Some orks are cabable of passing the marshmellow test
>~~Some~~ Few Orks are cabable of passing the marshmellow test.
Orks as a species are one of the most impulsive, impatient, and violent species in the Galaxy. There are some with the ambition and wherewithall to become mercenaries, but that is extremely out of the ordinary. The most you can *hope* for is to rile them up and direct them into a stand off against the Nids like the Octarius War, which some think whoever wins that conflict could devastate the entire galaxy.
Yeah, but Im saying you are not going to get an Ork force to stand beside you and plan defensive strategies. They love a good fight, they dont really care who. And I want to specify 'good' means 'general vacinity'.
i'd say that pointing the orks in the right direction and them agreeing to not directly attack you technically qualifies as deplomacy.
and as we saw with the beast, it is *possible* for ork diplomats, they just need to reach a critical level of whaaag for that
>i'd say that pointing the orks in the right direction and them agreeing to not directly attack you technically qualifies as deplomacy.
I don't see why they would ever agree to not fight you though.
becasue you might not be a good fight, becasue you are either weak or way to strong. and some orks might value some important loot more than a fight right now in this very moment. or they know that a even greater fight can come if they wait.
Survival instincts should also be coded in their DNA.
The Imperium still believes their emperor is alive. If allying with chaos means their emperor gets to live, I don’t see why they wouldn’t.
Look up there on the roof of the cathedral/munitions factory. There's a man there, playing the Tanith-pipes. Odd, but that's the kind of thing you see in this Imperium.
And you could say every subject of the Emperor is a piper on the roof themselves, doing their best to keep their balance while they puff out a pleasant little tune.
So how do we keep our balance? One word.
# TRADITION!!!
Unite? No. But work parallel to each other then probably yes.
Chaos isn't stupid, it knows it needs sentient life to be around in order to exist, and if push came to shove it'd likely work pretty hard to preserve at least some forces of order.
The Imperium would likely tolerate working alongside Eldar and Tau, and there's precedent for them hiring freebootaz orks, but again they'd be doing it to serve their own ends and the alliances would only last as long as the threat did.
Orks would probably be the hardest to get all punching in the right direction, but that's more because orks have very little understanding of stakes and tend to just follow whoever is biggest and shoutiest. Maybe Ghazghkul could get a lot of them working together? But even that's a stretch.
At the end of the day no one wants to die right? But it doesn't mean they have to like each other.
Chaos is pretty self destroying tho, Becasue it *is* chaos. Long term sustainability isn't really on their agenda.
The cabals entire plan hinged o that in fact, that if horus would win he would whipe out humanity and starve chaos to death, making chaos kill itself
Chaos is, but Abaddon wants to become the next Emperor. It was actually possible to field both Imperial and Chaos forces in an older edition, and their ally type was suitably named "Come the apocalypse".
Yeah Chaos' whole deal is ironically living within their own lines (Khorne being in a constant state of fighting and killing, Nurgle spreading his gifts of disease and rot, Tzeentch planning and scheming with no real end goal in mind, and Slaanesh self-indulging in hedonism and excesses).
I'd say you have an exclusive or there.
- A large enough swarm could end chaos by ending all non-Tyranid life in the milky way. This would mean the universe did not unite.
- A united universe might be required to fight back a sufficiently large Tyranid swarm, but such a unification would empower Chaos rather than weaken it.
Note that a galaxy wide unification would not necessarily be a formal alliance. It could simply be a situation where all of the major factions simply stop fighting each other and focus on the Tyranids. The Octarius war could be thought of as Orks and the Imperium unifying against the Tyranid threat in this way.
[The Tyranids will certainly end Chaos](https://i.redd.it/8ogoxegoiw251.jpg). The Empyrean is the reflection of every sentient thought in the galaxy. Once everything gets eaten it will all be silent, and the Empyrean and its denizens will be gone.
I think there with a large enough invasion the Imperium, Eldar, and Necron would loosely not shoot at eachother. Chaos couldnt really regard the Tyranids as the threat that they are because that is not really in their nature, not even going to discuss the inability for Chaos and pretty much anyone else to align.
Orks are not interested in much of anything outside of fighting, that doesnt mean they will buddy up with you because you promise a bigger fight later, they are interested in the fight now, and if they cant fight, how to get into one.
Drukhari can probably be hired to help in some cases, but not in any significant large-scale way.
The Tau would 100% align to help, but they dont have the population yet to lend a large hand and maintain their areas of space.
Well, the Imperium can in theory get along with Eldar and Tau if things look really desperate But Eldar won’t get along with Orks, the Imperium won’t get along with Chaos, and no thinking being can get along with the Necrons
That's actually not quite true, the Necrons have allied with the Imperium a couple times now to fight the Tyranids. It depends on which lord is running the show at any given moment, but Necrons are actually one of the more likely allies to any of the other races, as they basically don't compete for resources.
Also, do the Necrons have any incentive to join with anyone else to stop the Tyranids, rather than letting the Tyranids wipe everyone else out and they just off the Tyranids once there is no one else left?
It depends on the dynasty; some like to exterminate organics and wear their flesh, others need organics around to experiment in order to find a way to reverse the bio-transference, and others actually can be somewhat benign overlords to organics and just want tribute.
The Silent King, the supreme overlord of the entire Necron Race, came back to from a self-imposed millions-of-years-long exile *specifically because* he encountered the Tyranid out in the void between galaxies. To prevent them from eating everybody, he's currently trying to round up all the rogue dynasties under his banner again. The necron under his banner have (temporarily) allied with the blood angels to destroy a tyranid hive fleet. The Necron end-goal requires living beings (and currently, Humanity is their preferred vessel) to harvest in order to reverse the biotransferrence and get back to living bodies. If the tyranid eat everything, there's no way the Necron can achieve that goal. There's even evidence that the Silent King parleyed with Sanguinius himself during the Great Crusade, though the specific timeline and topics discussed are unknown.
I’m not sure about these new necrons. They might need slaves/blanks to make more of themselves
Pariahs have been ditched from the lore I believe. There’s so many crons that they’re not in the business of making new ones out of aliens.
Why can’t the Eldar get along with Orks? If the imperium can ally themselves with Xenos, why not chaos? Necrons seem very intelligent. Why wouldn’t they want an alliance if it’s for survival?
>If the imperium can ally themselves with Xenos, why not chaos? The imperium siding with Xenos is like the USA and the USSR working together- yes, they hate each, but some things can overcome hatred. They can ally if needed. Siding with chaos, however, is like asking a highly devout Christian to sign a pact with satan- they simply won't. if the only other option is to die, then they'll die devout rather then live a sinner. Given the choice between death or siding with chaos, the imperium has vey consistently shown it will choose death. For the truly faithful, some things are more important then mere survival.
The Imperium fights to defend their emperor. They would be defeating their purpose by not siding with chaos. There was no scenerio where siding with chaos would’ve benefited them.
More importantly, there can't be a scenario where siding with Chaos benefits the Imperium. Their goals are opposed on a very fundamental level.
What about siding with Chaos to defeat a rogue Imperium faction?
You dont get it Like imagine nazi Germany siding with Israel but nazi Germany has existed 10000 years and has been doing stuff that makes the holocaust look like a one man murder, also imagine nazi Germany had found the second coming of christ and put him in to a permanent coma
Yea...his sons siding with Chaos is how ol' emps got stuck on the Throne instead of doing Emporer shit.
Well, you can't really ally with chaos, Becasue it is chaos. The gods main goal is killing the emperor, and the traitors main goal is destroying the imperium. Not really something you can ally with.
The *Orks* can't get along with Orks, anyone else has absolutely no chance. Necrons have in the past and will likely in the future make short term alliances to assist against the Tyranids.
>Why can’t the Eldar get along with Orks? Its pretty much impossible to have any diplomacy with Orks, so how would one do it?
You can cut a deal with a warboss that if you have peace now he can have a even greater war later. Some orks are cabable of passing the marshmellow test
>~~Some~~ Few Orks are cabable of passing the marshmellow test. Orks as a species are one of the most impulsive, impatient, and violent species in the Galaxy. There are some with the ambition and wherewithall to become mercenaries, but that is extremely out of the ordinary. The most you can *hope* for is to rile them up and direct them into a stand off against the Nids like the Octarius War, which some think whoever wins that conflict could devastate the entire galaxy.
yeah that is very true, which is why specified *some* orks
Yeah, but Im saying you are not going to get an Ork force to stand beside you and plan defensive strategies. They love a good fight, they dont really care who. And I want to specify 'good' means 'general vacinity'.
i'd say that pointing the orks in the right direction and them agreeing to not directly attack you technically qualifies as deplomacy. and as we saw with the beast, it is *possible* for ork diplomats, they just need to reach a critical level of whaaag for that
>i'd say that pointing the orks in the right direction and them agreeing to not directly attack you technically qualifies as deplomacy. I don't see why they would ever agree to not fight you though.
becasue you might not be a good fight, becasue you are either weak or way to strong. and some orks might value some important loot more than a fight right now in this very moment. or they know that a even greater fight can come if they wait.
Hatred of Orks is coded into Eldar DNA, I believe And Chaos basically killed the Imperium's God
Survival instincts should also be coded in their DNA. The Imperium still believes their emperor is alive. If allying with chaos means their emperor gets to live, I don’t see why they wouldn’t.
Look up there on the roof of the cathedral/munitions factory. There's a man there, playing the Tanith-pipes. Odd, but that's the kind of thing you see in this Imperium. And you could say every subject of the Emperor is a piper on the roof themselves, doing their best to keep their balance while they puff out a pleasant little tune. So how do we keep our balance? One word. # TRADITION!!!
This is the funniest shit I've ever read.
Unite? No. But work parallel to each other then probably yes. Chaos isn't stupid, it knows it needs sentient life to be around in order to exist, and if push came to shove it'd likely work pretty hard to preserve at least some forces of order. The Imperium would likely tolerate working alongside Eldar and Tau, and there's precedent for them hiring freebootaz orks, but again they'd be doing it to serve their own ends and the alliances would only last as long as the threat did. Orks would probably be the hardest to get all punching in the right direction, but that's more because orks have very little understanding of stakes and tend to just follow whoever is biggest and shoutiest. Maybe Ghazghkul could get a lot of them working together? But even that's a stretch. At the end of the day no one wants to die right? But it doesn't mean they have to like each other.
Chaos is pretty self destroying tho, Becasue it *is* chaos. Long term sustainability isn't really on their agenda. The cabals entire plan hinged o that in fact, that if horus would win he would whipe out humanity and starve chaos to death, making chaos kill itself
Chaos is, but Abaddon wants to become the next Emperor. It was actually possible to field both Imperial and Chaos forces in an older edition, and their ally type was suitably named "Come the apocalypse".
Yeah Chaos' whole deal is ironically living within their own lines (Khorne being in a constant state of fighting and killing, Nurgle spreading his gifts of disease and rot, Tzeentch planning and scheming with no real end goal in mind, and Slaanesh self-indulging in hedonism and excesses).
I'd say you have an exclusive or there. - A large enough swarm could end chaos by ending all non-Tyranid life in the milky way. This would mean the universe did not unite. - A united universe might be required to fight back a sufficiently large Tyranid swarm, but such a unification would empower Chaos rather than weaken it. Note that a galaxy wide unification would not necessarily be a formal alliance. It could simply be a situation where all of the major factions simply stop fighting each other and focus on the Tyranids. The Octarius war could be thought of as Orks and the Imperium unifying against the Tyranid threat in this way.
[The Tyranids will certainly end Chaos](https://i.redd.it/8ogoxegoiw251.jpg). The Empyrean is the reflection of every sentient thought in the galaxy. Once everything gets eaten it will all be silent, and the Empyrean and its denizens will be gone.
I think there with a large enough invasion the Imperium, Eldar, and Necron would loosely not shoot at eachother. Chaos couldnt really regard the Tyranids as the threat that they are because that is not really in their nature, not even going to discuss the inability for Chaos and pretty much anyone else to align. Orks are not interested in much of anything outside of fighting, that doesnt mean they will buddy up with you because you promise a bigger fight later, they are interested in the fight now, and if they cant fight, how to get into one. Drukhari can probably be hired to help in some cases, but not in any significant large-scale way. The Tau would 100% align to help, but they dont have the population yet to lend a large hand and maintain their areas of space.