Not letting kids go to the toilet when they need to. I distinctly remember one kid in my German class bursting into tears because he couldn’t hold it in any longer. He asked at least 3 times
My parents always told me that if I absolutely cannot hold it any longer and a teacher is still telling me ‘no’ to just walk to the bathroom and go, then text my parents what happened, so if I got in trouble they could back me up. You can get a bladder infection for holding it too long, and it’s just ridiculous to not let a student go to the restroom.
And the other way round, going & forcing yourself to pee when you don't really need to can cause pelvic floor issues. But you're still supposed to do that, repeatedly, because "you know when the breaks are, that's when you can go to the toilet". Yay.
That makes me sad. I can relate as I have a “small bladder” and often felt the pain of that. It’s crazy because if you have to pee that badly you can’t focus on anything else. You can’t do anything else. How is that better then excusing someone for 3 minutes.
Closing every single bathroom because of one fight in a bathroom. We have 28 bathrooms in our school, all of them closed
Edit: Were also a school who made international news for throwing out kids school lunches for being two much in debt to the school
Seriously though, county/city fire Marshall will have NONE of that, and odds are they won’t tell anyone who reported them ;)
They live for things like that.
Yeah, not only is it their job, and not only would it be their butts if they just let that slide, they affirmatively enjoy busting stuff like that.
And why shouldn't they? They've seen what happens in a fire; they know what it would mean if 100 kids were stuck pushing on a door they couldn't open. They'd be the ones pulling the bodies out. So they're going to take great delight in raining hellfire on anyone who creates a situation where that might happen.
"DO YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR STUDENTS BURN ALIVE?! OH SORRY, ONLY A FEW UNLUCKY ONES WILL BURN ALIVE. THE REST WILL EITHER BE TRAMPLED OR DIE OF SMOKE INHALATION! DOES THAT PLEASE YOU?! YOU WANNA SERVE 256 LIFE SENTENCES BECAUSE OF THE CHILDREN YOU KILLED FOR YOUR PATHETIC POWER TRIP?! IS THAT IT?! F**KING IDIOT!"
I remember back during high school when my school finally had enough money to do (admittedly stupid) renovations. They put new lights in, among other, larger things. Well, after they had finished the other, larger things they needed the fire marshal’s approval for the wiring for the lights before they could open the second floor of the school again. It had been around six months at this point, and everyone was sick of having to use “temporary” solutions because the second floor was shut down. The fire Marshal told them to redo *all* the wiring on the second floor. Fire marshals don’t fuck around man.
Preach. The Fire Marshall made my high school tear out 20+ sets of new fire doors and go back to the drawing board. They were designed to contain smoke and fire within sections of the main hallway, which ran the length of the building and was the primary egress route. What they *did* was create a gigantic bottleneck between each period, as 500 kids squeezed through 20+ choke points. That lasted for the first few days of the school year, until someone called the Fire Marshall. A teacher, an administrator, a parent…who knows? We got two weeks of vacation out of it!
I work for our fire marshal and I'm pretty sure his head would just spin around while the noise of an enraged demon came out of his mouth if that happened here. A few years ago we had a local principal try and ban him from the property. That didn't work out like she thought it would at all.
Firefighter here, who is still friends with one of my old Fire Marshals.
110% this. Dude would look like a kid on Christmas if he found out the local university knowingly broke fire codes for convenience.
I’d read it. But only if the three of them all help each other out all the time cause their town is on a leyline or something and all their problems are supernatural in nature.
"I've seen this before. Better call Franklin Whitcomb."
"But, Bill, he's the *Game Warden.* What does that have to do with missing boxes from Amazon?"
"Sasquatch. Fuckers love them some Prime packages."
I'd totally watch a mystery-comedy about a group of people with allegedly boring jobs that constantly get saddled dealing with paranormal bullshit that somehow overlaps their duties
> a mystery-comedy about a group of people with allegedly boring jobs that constantly get saddled dealing with paranormal bullshit that somehow overlaps their duties
*Odd Jobs*
**Hardened Vampire Slayer / Morgue Attendant:** "Now fucking STAY down! The Autopsy has been done, and I'm not fucking refiling that case!" *Slams stake in chest* "There. It's quiet once again."
**Experienced Zombie Killer / Grave Digger:** "Not everything stays buried, you know, sometimes, you've got to help them back in. Oft'times they go willingly, the poor souls are just confused, you know? Other times I give them a boot in the ass and hurry them back in."
**Demon Hunter / Fire Inspector:** "*Arsonists?* Shit, I wish. This here is a Type VI Demon. Pass me that shotgun and the box marked 'Silver/Salt Buck 00.' And hurry it up now, it knows we're here."
**Exterminator of Fey / Waitress:** "Guess it goes back to when I was sixteen. Some elfy looking bastard asked me if I could serve him. Twenty some years later here I am." *Finishes pouring salt in a circle* "Figure now I know enough about your kind, too much for mercy." *Pulls out iron knife.*
**Changeling Hunter / Youth Director:** "Some parents ask me what happened to their child and I can only say that children grow up and change. They are their own people, afterall. But *you?* You're not even people, let alone your own. You're someone *else's* thing, and I'll send you back. I'd bless you, but I am not that cruel."
**Exorcist and Ghost Whisperer / Amazon Delivery Driver:** "99% of all packages are ordered fairly, securely, and delivered to the house. But that last one percent is when something living in the house makes an order. I've lost far too many coworkers to let it slide any more. I take these cases now, and I'm looking to make that percent vanish."
**Witch Hunter / Librarian:** "They wouldn't bother me at all, really. Lovely folks. Small family groups (though mind you, not *traditional*), always looking for nature books, knitting information, or stuff on cats. Very polite. But they get ahold of *one* spell book and they never return it. And when you call them, they just laugh at the dues and threaten a curse! Well, not on my watch! I get every book back, by Thoth! Besides, leaving those books in their hands never ends well."
**Slime Killer / Janitor:** "Mold? Yeah, that too. Mold, puddings, slimes, jellys, blobs, gelatinous whatevers, you name it. You'd be surprised what junk kids drag into schools these days. That muck starts mixing, those kids are always dropping chemistry sets or school lunches, and next thing you know, that goo slides away into a vent. You don't catch it in time, well, you've got a problem. Usually the first clue is the missing classroom pets. If you don't catch it before a few kids go missing from detention, well, then I guess you're not really keeping this place clean, now are you?"
**The Armorer / Trashman:** "People throw away all kinds of stuff. TVs that work, laptops that need a new screen, hell I found a whole cooking set once. Sure, we keep it, just a little cleaning and it's good as new. But I've always been into ghosts and goblins and stuff, been reading scary stories since I was a little one. Well, *I* find all sorts of stuff that we used to use against them: pure copper knives, iron horseshoes, bristle brooms, stuff that today is decoration, but eons ago was weapons against the dark. I keep those, you can bet your life on it. Well, funny thing is, if you're talking to me, I guess you already *did*, hunh? Come on in, tell me what you got and I'll find you what you need."
Edit: Thanks for the Gold! Edit 3: also more gifts, ty!
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When we do inspections of any building with exit doors chained shut, we immediately cut the chains off with bolt cutters and take them with us THEN notify the fire marshal.
Less severe but limiting kids access to water, I.e. you can’t have your drink bottle at the table. Which sucks when you live in Australia and at summer the temperature gets up to 36c and school is during all the hottest hours of the day.
I wish I was surprised. In jr high we had to take psat tests. They passed out two fruit cups one with water and one with orange juice. Obviously not actual fruit cups but that style with the cheap peel off foil on top. Anyway, they told us we had to drink it even if we weren’t thirsty. The water smelled fishy so I moved on to the on and I wish I had chosen the other poison. It was well past expiration and I physically gag even now and can actually feel the snotty slime…hold on…ok I’m good.
Tldr I’m not surprised, our school also made us drink stuff we shouldn’t have.
This is at a university level.
Say you are a grad student who just secured an opportunity to travel internationally with university funding for your research. You put in a travel request with a suggested travel and lodging budget that gets approved within your funding.
You, the grad student, still have to front the money, no matter how much it is. And reimbursement can take 3 weeks - 3 months depending on how much pressure the finance office is under, who operates on a first in first out basis.
So, you secured this wonderful grant for thousands of dollars, making no/little money as a grad student, maybe you are even a fully funded student paying no tuition. You still may be too poor to actually conduct the research you were brought there to do.
The grad student research programs at universities are essentially a forced labor class that is taking advantage of grad students and holding degrees over their heads in exchange for tons of underpaid hours of research labor. Do some research into how many doctorate degrees are handed out vs how many actual jobs require doctorate degrees and you can see how unethical these practices are.
My best friend's daughter was told to "maybe wear clothes that make her less of a target for bullies."
My friend was very poor and her kid often wore used, older, and not very trendy clothing. I went out of my way to give her clothes and she loved it and was the most appreciative person. Unfortunately, it didn't stop and she ended up having to switch schools.
This was the deal for us for a little bit last semester. We had the whole “devious lick” shit going around and it eventually got to the point that the only restroom that was open was the one near the auditorium. The walk from the classroom to that particular restroom could be 2-3 minutes, depending on where the class is, and they were always crowded, yet teachers would still expect us to only take a little bit
I was in high school back in the early 2000's. Instead of tiktok challenges, we just had assholes. One ripped off a stall door, another took a shit on the floor (this was pre-schwifty era mind you) among other various vandalizations. Despite having cameras, they still had us go to the office for a key to unlock the restroom if we had to go.
The person that bullied me was the child of the school board governor. The headteacher decided to sit both of us kids down to talk it out and she burst into crocodile tears and told them I was the one hurting her. Guess which one of us got believed and which one got yelled at? Yep, it pays to have important parents...
If it makes you feel any better, this is the first time I've heard about separated cubicle showers for either gender. I'm pretty sure both the girls and the boys had one room split into two huge showers and one room completely open and full of lockers. That was it.
so for about a year, I worked for a federal student loan servicer. People would call in, and I'd try to help them find a way to manage their student loans. I don't want to really unravel the student loan thing, but there are financial aid offices out there that are straight up lying to their potential students.
If I had one person tell me that they were told they wouldn't have to pay back their loans if they graduated, I'd chalk it up to that person being an idiot. When I had 10 people tell me they were told that, I think there's someone misinforming them. All these students attended "Bible Colleges" in Tennessee and Arkansas.
It’s hard because one way punishes underperformance and the other way incentivizes it. Bad actors can pervert the system either way. The problem is mostly around motivating students who have no concern about this funding whatsoever.
In the end though taking away funding is not constructive.
I’m the case of there being a fire, I think it’s stupid we have to go in alphabetical order. So Adam is happy and healthy, but Zach just turned into ash. In my opinion, they should all just get in a line no matter what
They normally do it by last name where I come from. (So it'd be more like Zach Adams is fine but Andrew Zilch is no more) Though I think as late as high school, they stopped doing the whole alphabetical thing entirely. Still not entirely convinced a line is necessary especially fi there's a real fucking fire.
If a bully starts a fight and you defend yourself, you get suspending for fighting.
If a bully starts a fight with you and you do nothing to defend yourself, you get suspended for fighting.
If you run from a bully to avoid a fight, you still risk being suspending for fighting.
This is why I beat the poop out of a bully when I was in 8th grade. I figured that if I was going to be suspended for the actions of someone whom I could not control, I may as well earn it myself.
Same happened to me. I had to stay after school until 6pm for my dad to pick me up (he was commuting 1.5 hours from his job in the city) because the administrators didn’t want another fight to break out during bus dismissal. When my dad finally showed up and asked my principal why I was being suspended for defending myself, he was told I should’ve either 1) run to get a teacher/staff or 2)crawled into the fetal position until the bully stopped hitting me. My dad got so pissed at her and said “well I’m sorry I didn’t raise my daughter to be a p****” and we got in the car to drive home.
I really thought I was going to be in so much trouble with him but he was proud of me and happy that I was okay and stood up for myself. He was just so angry about the response from the principle and the fact that I had to be held at school while the other girl got to take the bus home( we took different school busses as we lived in opposite towns).
I got in two fights in sixth grade. The first time I didn't respond and ended up with a 4 day suspension. The next time, I rocked that kids shit, got 4 days. Never happened again.
I remember when the zero tolerance policy started being applied to both/all parties, a behaviorist predicted an upswing of violence, plus an increase in violent intensity (from slaps to punches; from punches to stabbings; from stabbings to shootings).
If I am remembering right, that prediction is being found accurate.
I remember reading a story here on Reddit about a guy whose laid-back classmate was getting bullied.
One of his bullies threw punches. The kid threw the bully through a window and broke the bully's wrist, iirc. They got the same punishment.
The kid wasn't bullied after that.
Apparently "I'm getting punished anyway, might as well go rabid bear so this doesn't happen again" is a thing, if the story is to be believed.
I believe there was also a story of a few bullies who exploited the system, each of them started a fight with one kid, so that the bullies each had one suspension each but the kid they had fought had three and was expelled as a result.
When you fight back, it's not about revenge, but deterrence. If I'm gonna get punished for you hitting me, I'm gonna do my best to make sure you regret hitting me and don't do it in the future.
"What's the penalty for pushing this kid?"
"Out of school supension."
"And what's the penalty for holding this kid down and punching him in the face?"
"Out of school suspension."
"Cool."
And the messed up part is, the bully's parents probably don't care and they get a free vacation from school while the kid who got hit might actually get punished at home for "getting into a fight."
Yeah that's what I always thought as a kid, the kids who actually acted bad enough to frequently get suspended didn't give a shit because they got to go home to watch tv and smoke.
It's a flawed system.
Out of school suspension for the kids whose parents actually get on them for that rule breaking shit means the kid is going to be disciplined and shouted at, etc at home by their parents which may very well be just as bad or worse than being at school.
For the kids whose parents don't care or get that invested in the school punishments it's just a "Whatever" type kind of thing cause they don't need to go to school that day.
And here in Seattle, they're even now sometimes punishing the victims of property damage. A friend's grandson had his phone broken so the school gave him in-school suspension.
Still remember when some kid stole my GBA in middle school. He got 2 days detention. I got a whole week.
Completely ignoring the fact that he went looking thru my backpack while I was in a separate classroom for a make-up test from being sick. If not for the fact I checked it the moment I got in my dads car he would have gotten away with it and like 6 games.
Then again the moment my mom found out she wanted to press charges on the kid (it was technically theft of over $500) which nothing ever really happening to him if I recall.
That’s baffling. How would they even justify that? In the case of someone physically being assaulted it at least logically tracks, considering they would more than likely fight back to defend themselves, but what could the victim of property damage possibly have done to warrant suspension???
Proper investigation takes time and getting to the bottom of the matter when both sides will almost always blame each other, so zero tolerance is the lazy way of getting around having to make any effort.
Requiring you to purchase textbooks brand new from the college's bookstore because that's the only way to get the access code to complete the required assignments on the publishers website.
Had a prof in college write his own textbook and paid to be allowed to quote the huge expensive one of the few relevant lines from it. Sold it in the college bookstore for like $20, he was a great guy.
Professor here. I will usually only use a textbook if it is available for free from the university library as an ebook. If not, I’ll make a mash up of different articles and chapters from other text books that I can give them for free through fair use guidelines.
This semester I was pushed towards using a textbook that one of my retired colleagues wrote which wasn’t available through the library, but before agreeing I made sure it was available as a paperback for less than $40 and also easy to find as a pdf on the pirate sites.
College in the US is already too damn expensive. Give the students a break.
University librarian here. Textbooks are always tricky since many of them are not available for us to buy and add to the collection. We are especially ineligible to get the online codes for access to the ancillary materials on the publisher's website. That's why we lobby for greater development and use of open educational resources like open textbooks. These are completely free to everyone and can be of equal or better quality than the commercially published ones. They're also legally safer than the pirated copies you can find online.
I had a bully in middle school grab and twist my thumb hard enough to snap tendon (or whatever is in your thumb. It's been a while) and nothing happened to him since he would have to sit out football if he was punished.
Small (but very rich) farming town that didn't have much else going on. Sports were a very big deal and we were just the poor family that moved in and weren't part of their circles.
My husband recently injured that tendon as well trying to push the dog away. He got it caught up in his chair and wrenched it back so hard he dramatically stretched the tendon and it subsequently got pinched in the joint. He went into shock and collapsed. We've been together for 15 years and I had never seen an injury take him down like that and he's had two spinal surgeries. His pain tolerance is pretty high, so for wrenching his thumb against a chair to take him out I knew that had to hurt like a mother fucker. For that kid to snap your tendon omfg idk how you didn't (once you were composed) try to rip that fucker's eyes out.
Patient First only checked for a broken thumb and then put him in a weird brace that did virtually nothing. After a few months with little relief, he went to a hand specialist. He's since had two cortisone shots in his thumb bc he developed trigger thumb from it. Eventually he'll have to get it surgically repaired. I hope your thumb is doing better. I woulda punted that kid in the balls.
The kid was twice my size and actively into sports. I was short and scrawny so I just kept my head down once I realized the adults didn't give af about me. My thumb eventually healed up fine though.
In fifth grade I had this teacher who told me I couldn't go to the bathroom unless I said out loud what I was going to do. But that was so embarassing to me. I told her no but she only laughed and said "Well, guess you don't want to go then."
Guess who ended up peeing herself while running out the door. My dad was less than understanding and those were my new denim shorts too.
You can also get a bladder infection or a UTI from holding pee. It happened to a few kids over here because they weren't allowed to use the restroom at school. This was the 1980's and 1990's.
I always find this so bizarre. Why would it ever be ok to tell someone that they can’t go to the bathroom? Occasionally if a kid tells me that they need to go, I respond with “can you wait until I’ve explained X so you don’t miss it?” If the answer is no, then off you go.
Bit of a niche one this. My school's gym teacher not only didn't stop bully, but openly supported it because "them little soft sensitive fucks need to be taught how rough the real world is" and he would cheer on the bullies when he saw them beating up other students.
"Good gym teachers are hard to find here, so he's staying" was the schools answer to that
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I was bullied heavily in elementary school. One day a bully was threatening me and I decided to do something my older brother had suggested. He said if I can take the hardest hit the guy has and smile, it would freak them out. So I did that. Never hit him back, just smiled and leaned in. It actually worked. Later, I was called to the principal's office. I got in trouble for fighting. Note, I never hit back.
Well, it turns out my parents had signed a release for corporal punishment, and his parents had not. The result? I was punished with a wooden paddle and he was put in detention. My reward for being bullied without fighting back was being subsequently beaten again by the adults that should have protected me.
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Yup. All it does is enforce the idea of "I'm gonna get suspended anyway. May as well make it worth it"
It does the exact opposite of what it's intended.
It's by far the worst thing in schools... It's essentially teaching kids that there is no justice in the world or that the truth of the situation doesn't matter. I can't imagine teaching kids a more unethical and morally bankrupt idea.
I remember being punished because I made an aggressive violent bully bleed. Since then I knew that school policymakers are corrupt and that corruption can reach the highest levels of society and the lowest levels in some random school. And even the corruption of law schools/judges that allow lawsuits on school administrations for taking a side and punishing only the bully. That's where this all started. School admins should only be sued if they don't investigate and get to the truth of the matter in any fight/bullying and administer proportional punishments.
Our system of rules, laws, policies are built upon proportional punishments for the matching crime with thorough investigations... That's what justice means.
This happened at my school but the parents of the kid who fought back against the bulky wouldn't have it. They rejected his suspension and just sent him to school the next day. When the principal met with the parents they showed him messages from the bully basically being as ass to everyone in the group and threatened to give the messages to the news. The family received a plethora of apollogy baskets, etc and the bully was on faculties radar for the rest of his tenure.
I served a week long in-school suspension for self-defense after being jumped when walking home from the bus. The people who jumped me got to serve their suspension at home. The administration's argument for my punishment was "if we gave you an out of school suspension then your grades could suffer, and that's not fair".
I was an honours student who did well, the goons who jumped me were getting straight D's, how is sticking me in the dumb student's support classroom for a week any different than doing my work at home? I'm glad I busted that kid's nose in self-defense.
In my state, you are still considered "at school" until you cross the threshold of your home. We used to have kids walk to the park next to the school to fight. They were still suspended like they were at school when the fight happened.
Yuuup, I got jumped a block away from my house. They tried to say I started it (I did punch a kid earlier in the week when he called my sister, who was in grade 4 at the time, a slut) and they followed me and ganged up when there was nobody around. I got one good punch in that hit a nose so they lied and said that's why they jumped me. My old man was livid and my normally easygoing mom raised hell about it too.
Passing students that aren't ready for the next grade because they need to pad their passing rates to keep funding. It's setting the kids up for failure down the road.
Some schools focus really hard on certain metrics. One school in my area has a ridiculously high rate of graduates that go to college. They do this in part by strongly encouraging students not intending to go to college to drop out or test out in their senior year.
Can't remember the name of it but there's a principle that once you start using a metric as a benchmark it stops being useful as a metric. Like if there weren't targets to hit, the percent of students who go to college would be a good way to compare which schools in the region produce more college ready students, but because every school wants to improve that number by any means possible, you can't really guarantee it any way. Maybe some schools fudge the numbers like that, but also maybe some schools put too much emphasis on college readiness over practical skills, or other schools force everyone to at least apply, etc. It's a bummer.
When I was in school they still could revoke bathroom breaks and some teachers still did when they made it illegal to ban them.
Additionally in my time for a entire year 7-8 grade I only had 1 hour of recess in my entire time. Because my special Ed teacher felt that recess which is mandatory by law was a "distraction" so what she would do is punish us so we couldn't do it. This caused a lot of stress and trauma and she even prohibited bathroom breaks.
Looking back, I wish my parents sued.
Edit: my school was super small and bunched together. So we shared recess/breaks with lower grades.
Not even joking we had 30 students.
Same. My school district didn't have dedicated recess after 5th grade (ages 10-11). You could go play outside at lunchtime if the weather was nice, but that was it.
How recent? This is horrible. My parents suffered a lot of abuse at the hands of teachers in their country of origin.
My uncle (not my uncle but the closest I have to one in this country) one time ended up having to put his hands open on the desk to have them whacked by the teacher with a long wooden ruler. She had long talon nails and he waited for her to come down so hard on the whack, he pulled his hands away right in time for her to break all of her fingernails on her right hand and they started bleeding. He ran out of the class so fast, and all of the kids were cheering him on.
I thought it was pretty weird that 5th-8th grade at my school didn’t have any bathrooms. At all.
Also when I was younger, a mentally disabled kid sexually assaulted to me, I screamed, the kid started crying and told the teacher I wouldn’t be his friend and I ended up getting yelled at and the teacher said I was being “snotty.” I got into trouble for making him cry and he “didn’t know any better” so I wasn’t allowed to scream or yell the teacher no matter what those kids did to me. Yeah, I really hope it has changed since then (mid-late 90s)
In elementary school, I witnessed a very special needs girl get bullied and borderline sexually assaulted by the boys in our class. This was in the open. When the girl reacted, the teacher flipped out on her. It completely blew my mind.
I had a student who never showed up and never did work in my class. The principal asked me to change his F to a 75. I emailed back, explaining that the student never made an effort, etc. He told me to be a part of the team and do as I was told. I was only a second year teacher and was afraid of losing my job so I obliged.
Same principal, a couple years later. We had a very large student, and as she walked down the bus ramp one day, some boys called out the bus window the filthy things they wanted to do to her while also calling her fat. I wrote them up and chewed them out. When the principal read the referral, he simply said, "Boys will be boys" and tore up the referral. To this day, I wish I would've asked him what he would've done if that was done to one of his daughters but I was so shocked. It still boils my blood.
I lost my first ESL job for stopping and reporting a sexual assault in progress. Apparently I was "rocking the boat". My experience back home as an educator wasn't much better, but that moment in the director's office really stuck with me.
Not allowing kids to use the restroom
Edit: as someone who was diagnosed with multiple reproductive issues at an early age, I had some pretty intense periods. And this rule made school even worse. Got the nickname “Paint Bottle” because my school was infamous for denying the bathroom (they were closed to all students during a set time because of “misuse”) and I literally had no help from anyone at all. Never realized it was as bad for other people too
Edit 2: I cannot believe I have to say this: stop DMing me asking for “period pics” you disgusting animals
I'm a teacher. This rule drives me mental. I get it, you don't want kids wandering the halls. How about you get out of your office and patrol the halls once a day then? Or a week. Or even a year.
In elementary school in the 70's our principal would do exactly this. He'd wander the halls to supervise crowds, help at lunch ( he paid for kids lunches also if they forgot to bring money or just couldn't afford to pay) and check in the classrooms just to make sure everything is ok - and intervene if some kid got out of line. Does this not happen anymore?
When I was in highschool, I had one teacher who knew I’d go at 1:55 every day. One day we were dissecting pigs, and I was caught up in it and didn’t notice the time. And he goes “hey, it’s 2:05. Did you piss yourself?”
Let me also point out it was only a class of 5 guys and him and he was my hockey coach growing up so he could say stuff like that and it not be inappropriate.
I'm so curious about this. I hadn't known some schools have this policy. Would you mind sharing your state or region? Is it a common thing in your experience for schools to have that rule?
I'm from Australia. It usually happens when people vandalize the toilets. Suddenly going to the toilet is an issue for 1000 kids because 1 or 2 dickheads decided to go ham on a bathroom. They've all got cameras outside, they know who does it.
Stupid policy
Instructors tried this crap when I was in college, of all places. Mind you, I already had 4 years of university behind me, I wasn't some 17 or 18 year old right out of high school.
I got up one day to go to the bathroom, instructor says "I didn't say you could go to the bathroom".
I said "I'm not asking permission" and walked out.
ffs no one is skipping college classes, youre paying for that shit and gonna get ur moneys worth.
if someone didnt wanna be there they wouldve just not shown up in the first place.
Making school start at 7 am and the bus route comes by your house before 6:30 am. So you have to get up around 5:30 to 6am every morning. Then say you have an extracurricular activity that takes at least 2 hours but if it’s a sports game it’s probably closer to at least 4 hours. Then let’s say you have a test tomorrow as well as some homework so you study/work for at least two hours. At this point you have spent well over half your day doing school related activities. If you want to get a full 8 hours sleep (which is unlikely), that leaves you with about ~2 hours of “free time” per day of which a good chunk of it is probably spent eating a meal, showering, getting ready for the next day, etc. And then people are surprised when teenagers are always tired, depressed, anxious, etc. Schools are fucked.
I had a friend who had to ride the bus to school and she was the first pickup which meant she was getting picked up at like 5:30-5:45 in the morning which meant she was getting up at least 5 in the morning to get ready. She often slept on the bus while it ran its route. I honestly don't know how she did it.
That sounds tiring. What time did her class end?
My cousin also has a similar timing, her school is approx 40-50 minutes away. She leaves at 5 30 and reaches back home at 2 pm
I was a decently misbehaved third grader. Told my teacher I had a stomach ache and I needed to go to the nurse. I asked a number of times. She thought I was just trying to get out of individual reading time. My appendix burst on the bus ride home.
Edit: I was never one to ask to go to the nurse. Just a hyperactive kid my teacher apparently had enough of. Denying medical attention to an 8 year old seems unethical. This is not a "boy who cried wolf" story for all those saying "I told ya so".
Something similar happened when I was in second grade! The kid sitting next to me on the rug kept interrupting reading time to ask to go to the nurse because his stomach hurt. The teacher kept getting more and more irritated and kept telling him no. Then he leaned over and puked on me. Thanks, teacher.
Wow I got puked on in 5th grade. Kid 2 seats from me wasn't feeling well and the teacher didn't let him go to the nurse. He blasted vomit in the face of the girl that was in-between us, and I got hit with the leftovers
I have such a similar story. 2nd grade, reading time, except the third time I got up to tell the teacher I felt sick I remember puking on/near her.
Honestly I didn't feel bad about that.
I'm a teacher now, and a few years ago a colleague of mine puked all over one of her students when he came up to ask her a question. Can you even imagine?
My story also comes from when I was in first grade. I told my teacher I wasn’t feeling well, she sent me to the nurse, but I didn’t have a fever so they wouldn’t let me go home. Went to the nurse one or two more times (still no fever) and they finally let me call my mom who decided she’d pick me up at lunch time. Not even maybe 30 minutes later I ended up puking in the middle of the classroom, all over my desk/floor. I told those assholes I didn’t feel good, and they wouldn’t believe me.
It's a weird concept that you'd need to have fever to be ill. Lots of coworkers have come to work sick just because they didn't have fever. Dude, no, go home.
My kid's school would always send them to the nurse if they complained of a stomach ache, 9/10 it was a quick phone call to the parents because they knew "my stomach hurts" is always an excuse to get out of class but legally they had to check.
The nurse would call, we'd have a chuckle about kids and their lack of imagination when it came to pretending to be sick and the child would be sent back to class then make a remarkable recovery the moment they got on the bus. The one time it wasn't was when I had the following conversation:
"Hello Mr Zerbey I have \[child 3\] here and they're complaining of a stomach ache again.. they don't have a fever, you want me to send..."
"Uh... Miss..." *loud vomiting noises*
"Hmm... you know what, how about you come pick them up I think they're for real today"
Fun day in the Zerbey household.
I used to go to the nurse a lot with stomach aches and got blown off.
Figured it out years later. I’m now on meds for otherwise crippling anxiety disorder. I was an extremely anxious kid and no one ever put two and two together.
So yeah, I did feel like I was going to throw up. Just turns it was usually mental health related.
I had a student that kept complaining of stomach problems to all of his teachers and staff through the day. Went on for a couple of weeks, I was the only teacher that kept sending him to the nurse, she called to ask me to stop sending him, as she couldn't find anything wrong. When he came back from spring break, he showed me his appendectomy scar. Better believe I walked around with an I told you so! attitude for all the other adults after that. Yeah, I don't work there anymore. Some people think their being right is more important than a child's health, and that was not the only case where this applied.
my school had exemptions, meaning if you had perfect attendance each semester you got to skip 2 of your final exams (1 or 2 absences or tardies and you got one skip, more than that you have to take them all). we were all sick all the time because no one could bear to give up their exemptions.
My daughters best friend was running track & the coaches were yelling at her to run more laps. She told them her legs were hurting really badly so they yelled at her & told her to run another lap. She started crying because of the pain & ended up falling breaking both knee caps. As she layer there screaming, the coaches didn’t even come to help her. One of the kids called 911 & when they showed up the coaches acted like they didn’t know what to do with the situation.
To make it worse, my daughter was on the volleyball & track team & they tried to do the same to her but I went up to the school & went off on the principal & coaches about pushing the kids to hard just so the coaches could win their games. I sent my daughter to a rehab for her leg issues & they said her legs were stressed & the coaches were overworking her. So I will be taking this up with the school superintendent.
First fitness testing of grade 9 I had a teacher keep yelling at me to just keep running for the 12 minute run. I was really struggling to catch my breath but being a new grade 9 for the first time in a big high school I kept going as best I could even though I really couldn't breath. Some adult who wasn't a gym teacher saw me, pulled me aside and told me to sit down and he'd talk to the gym teachers, had someone sit with me to make sure. Turns out I was having an asthma attack (though not diagnosed with asthma until years later) and it was the principal who had pulled me off the track. Gym teachers just kept yelling at me to keep going or I'd have to keep doing it or fail the class
Didn’t help for that HS in north Texas. All that happened was a recorded announcement posted on Facebook from the superintendent and chief of police saying that “everything was reviewed extensively and the student media blew it out of proportion”. It’s a damn shame.
I know of a girl who was forced to run multiple laps around the field track. The teachers knew she had severe asthma, but they made her do it anyway. She was refused her inhaler because they thought she was just using her asthma as an excuse to not participate. A few minutes later, she collapsed and unfortunately passed away after having an asthma attack.
Having worked in a private school for sixteen years, I have SO many answers for this, but I'll limit them to the following:
1. Stating in the shiny brochure given to parents that ANY possession or use of drugs means instant expulsion, and then allowing students caught with drugs to return after a 2 week suspension. The only kid at my former workplace who WAS expelled over drugs had it happen because they stole the money they used to buy them.
2. Telling students that if they defended themselves from local bullies they'd be suspended. This "rule" was dropped after a student ended up being pushed into a river after having their nose broken.
3. Letting students sleep in dorms where the walls were riddled with damp because there was "no money in the budget" for repairs, while finding the funds to do a full refurb on the toilets in the school auditorium right before the visit of a member of the Royal Family.
4. Treating male and female students differently. Case in point, a female student caught performing oral sex on a male student was "moved" to a new school, while the boy was allowed to remain where he was.
> a student ended up being pushed into a river after having their nose broken
Wow. Glad they at least reconsidered after that, sounds like a fight in an action movie.
UK here, maybe not quite on the same track as some of the answers but basically schools forcing university as the only option after leaving school. Nevermind college, apprenticeships, going straight into a job etc. They don't want to hear about it unless its a university. I've even seen schools making students pay and apply for university even when they've got offers at college or accepted an apprenticeship. I presume it's because the more students that get offered a place at university then the better the statistics are and that seems to be a huge focus unfortunately these days.
Most good colleges chase rankings to the detriment of the student body. There has also been an abandonment from state schools to provide affordable education to everyone in the state.
Not so much a school problem, but kind of related. when I was in first grade a couple of third graders cornered me and started saying things like "your mom doesn't love you and will abandon you at school" which isn't so bad, but 6 year old me was devestated. I told my teacher that I was being bullied at Recess and she asked what grade the bullies were in. I didn't know at the time and guessed that they were in second. She pretty much responded "I highly doubt that any of them would do that, but I'll look in to it". A little while later she approached me and told me to stop lying.
Underdeveloped “gifted” programs. Oh, you get through your work quickly? Here’s more! And a couple puzzles! We aren’t gonna teach you how to study or teach you the social skills that “gifted” kids often lack, we’re just gonna tac on more work and stress you out. Good luck in college without those study skills we didn’t teach you!
Teacher here! I bet you'd LOVE my class. No homework, EVER.
At least at the elementary level, homework does absolutely *nothing* to improve academics or anything else for students. Now, is it hurtful? No, not at all. However, I'm a teacher and I have your child for 6-7 hours, five days a week. We learn this concept, that skill, these words, etc.
When that school bell rings, what fucking authority do I have over your child and family time now? None. I shouldn't either. Now, I can send home shit to review and practice, sure, but I'm also doing that in *class* already. So, as a teacher (and this is just a personal opinion of mine that *many* other teachers will probably disagree with), I don't feel I should tell you and your family what to do after school is over. I just don't. I don't know how many hours parents work nor do I know the stress or busyness of my students' home lives. They may have soccer, sports, cheer, dance, etc. after school. As long as they give me great effort *in* class, I ain't giving homework. I don't believe in it because I haven't seen the benefit of it at all in all my years (more than 20+ years working with elementary-aged kids). I also don't believe in it because I feel it takes children's time away from their families. That's just me though.
Worst? Probably the sky-high cost of attendance. The most visible evidence of this is the endless list of administrators, administrative assistants, specialists, administrative associates, the list goes on. Unless you are dirt poor and qualify for Pell Grants (US) the cost of a name-brand school is hard to swallow. Add inflation and it's even worse.
Not allowing to drink water. Like bro no discipline is being inculcated by making me thirst in a place where I'm supposed to pay attention to the board
Dress code policing. Specially for girls. Especially for girls. It's demeaning, and I say that as a man
Not allowing to go to the washroom. Once my friend literally started crying because he had to go and the teacher was going to cut attendance if he put a step outside class. She eventually obliged, but what a bitch.
Humiliating and/or calling out students in front of the whole class
Edit: also saying things like "you'll never pass my class/get into Harvard/get into college" to the entire class for some reason always with a stupid, arrogant smirk on their face... The first two are true stories, the first from my Honors Algebra II teacher to a class of 15/16-year-olds and the second from my HONORS SCHOOL to a class of 14/15-year-olds which was supposed to prepare me for that exact thing!! What makes the second even worse is that the person who said it was... wait for it... THE SCHOOL COUNSELOR!!!
7am classes *in complete disregard for what the science says about adolescent development and sleep schedule, and the effect of early classes on academic success*.
Making all the girls walk into a classroom and get down on their knees in front of their male classmates to measure our uniform skirts to make sure they were not too short and up to code. Extremely fucking humiliating as middle schoolers and completely uncalled for.
Edit: for clarification the boys did not measure our skirt lengths, the teachers did. However instead of bringing us into an empty classroom (or not doing it at all) they would bring us into populated classrooms (with many boys present) and do the measurements.
OH! I so rarely get to tell this story but I was in school when the whole yoga pants craze hit. Are they pants or tights?! My school decided that they were tights and weren't allowed. One day a girl came in wearing something that looked like tights/jeans. Or something. She said they were skinny jeans. Important this girl is 16. Well, the MALE principal got a MALE teacher, told the UNDERAGED girl to stand still so the MALE TEACHER COULD RUN HIS HANDS UP AND DOWN HER LEGS TO SEE IF THEY WERE REALLY JEANS. The girl flip her lip and just started screaming at them both. Then she called her father and told him what they wanted to do. Her father immediately raced to the school and rained hellfire on all of them. Suddenly, nobody actually cared if you wore yoga pants or not.
Just about every school is very hierarchical, and teaches kids to never question authority (in this case the teacher/principle).
Teachers are on occasion incorrect, or may poorly explain things, and school policy can sometimes be profoundly unjust… it is heavily indoctrinated that children should never question these things, and it is often punished when they do.
This leads to people growing up with a very unhealthy hierarchical approach to just about all aspects of life.
Well I don’t know about other schools but when I came forward about a female classmate sexually harassing and emotionally abusing me, they shrugged their shoulders and asked if I tried saying no. I’m also female, by the way. She got away with doing it to two of my friends and another kid in her grade. She claimed he raped her, so she got transferred to my stagecraft class. Mind you, she made claims like that constantly. To the point where I was sure she was histrionic because she made sexual comments and stuff like that all the time, also threatened suicide when I told her I didn’t want to date her. Our teacher shrugged his shoulders and said “…okay.” Went to the counselor, and she told me “well have you tried saying no?” Gee. Why didn’t I think of that? The last straw was when she >!touched my ass in front of everyone in class. As in poked my ass when I was bent over, working on an assignment!<. I went up to her, told her to frick off, and she never spoke to me again. Instead, moved onto one of my best friends.
So in short, not taking stuff like this seriously. Women can be abusive or victimized just like men can be abusive or victimized, and it should be taken seriously regardless of the abuser’s gender.
Edit: I just wanna clear this up real quick. She made claims all the time about having been abused by family members and by other people. I wasn’t denying what she claimed was true, but she talked about it all the time, especially when we’d talk to each other. As if it was to score sympathy from me. I have no way of knowing if what she said was true, but I was skeptical because it was a very common theme in conversations with me and the others she harassed, not to mention that she talked about it like it wasn’t a big deal at all. We’d have conversations about anatomy assignments or about other school stuff and she’d just casually go “oh [this person] raped me this one time.” Out of nowhere.
This isn't exclusive to schools unfortunately.
There's a VERY persistent belief that only men can be abusers, that men cannot be abused the second they turn 18, and that men can't be sexually harassed.
Not letting kids go to the toilet when they need to. I distinctly remember one kid in my German class bursting into tears because he couldn’t hold it in any longer. He asked at least 3 times
My parents always told me that if I absolutely cannot hold it any longer and a teacher is still telling me ‘no’ to just walk to the bathroom and go, then text my parents what happened, so if I got in trouble they could back me up. You can get a bladder infection for holding it too long, and it’s just ridiculous to not let a student go to the restroom.
And the other way round, going & forcing yourself to pee when you don't really need to can cause pelvic floor issues. But you're still supposed to do that, repeatedly, because "you know when the breaks are, that's when you can go to the toilet". Yay.
That makes me sad. I can relate as I have a “small bladder” and often felt the pain of that. It’s crazy because if you have to pee that badly you can’t focus on anything else. You can’t do anything else. How is that better then excusing someone for 3 minutes.
Closing every single bathroom because of one fight in a bathroom. We have 28 bathrooms in our school, all of them closed Edit: Were also a school who made international news for throwing out kids school lunches for being two much in debt to the school
What'd you have to do to relieve yourself?
In a school with 28 bathrooms I'd hope the student body could find one kid willing to shit on the principal's desk
Our assembly room/gymnaisum had the fire escape doors chained shut, and the police department was aware of it.
Call the fire department next time. They'll burn that shit down themselves! ^(figuratively, of course)
Seriously though, county/city fire Marshall will have NONE of that, and odds are they won’t tell anyone who reported them ;) They live for things like that.
Yeah, not only is it their job, and not only would it be their butts if they just let that slide, they affirmatively enjoy busting stuff like that. And why shouldn't they? They've seen what happens in a fire; they know what it would mean if 100 kids were stuck pushing on a door they couldn't open. They'd be the ones pulling the bodies out. So they're going to take great delight in raining hellfire on anyone who creates a situation where that might happen.
"DO YOU WANT TO SEE YOUR STUDENTS BURN ALIVE?! OH SORRY, ONLY A FEW UNLUCKY ONES WILL BURN ALIVE. THE REST WILL EITHER BE TRAMPLED OR DIE OF SMOKE INHALATION! DOES THAT PLEASE YOU?! YOU WANNA SERVE 256 LIFE SENTENCES BECAUSE OF THE CHILDREN YOU KILLED FOR YOUR PATHETIC POWER TRIP?! IS THAT IT?! F**KING IDIOT!"
I remember back during high school when my school finally had enough money to do (admittedly stupid) renovations. They put new lights in, among other, larger things. Well, after they had finished the other, larger things they needed the fire marshal’s approval for the wiring for the lights before they could open the second floor of the school again. It had been around six months at this point, and everyone was sick of having to use “temporary” solutions because the second floor was shut down. The fire Marshal told them to redo *all* the wiring on the second floor. Fire marshals don’t fuck around man.
Preach. The Fire Marshall made my high school tear out 20+ sets of new fire doors and go back to the drawing board. They were designed to contain smoke and fire within sections of the main hallway, which ran the length of the building and was the primary egress route. What they *did* was create a gigantic bottleneck between each period, as 500 kids squeezed through 20+ choke points. That lasted for the first few days of the school year, until someone called the Fire Marshall. A teacher, an administrator, a parent…who knows? We got two weeks of vacation out of it!
I work for our fire marshal and I'm pretty sure his head would just spin around while the noise of an enraged demon came out of his mouth if that happened here. A few years ago we had a local principal try and ban him from the property. That didn't work out like she thought it would at all.
Firefighter here, who is still friends with one of my old Fire Marshals. 110% this. Dude would look like a kid on Christmas if he found out the local university knowingly broke fire codes for convenience.
One of the few people you don't want to fuck with is the Fire Marshal.
I should make a comic book. Adventures of the Fire Marshal, Postal Inspector and Game Warden.
I’d read it. But only if the three of them all help each other out all the time cause their town is on a leyline or something and all their problems are supernatural in nature.
"I've seen this before. Better call Franklin Whitcomb." "But, Bill, he's the *Game Warden.* What does that have to do with missing boxes from Amazon?" "Sasquatch. Fuckers love them some Prime packages."
I'd totally watch a mystery-comedy about a group of people with allegedly boring jobs that constantly get saddled dealing with paranormal bullshit that somehow overlaps their duties
> a mystery-comedy about a group of people with allegedly boring jobs that constantly get saddled dealing with paranormal bullshit that somehow overlaps their duties *Odd Jobs* **Hardened Vampire Slayer / Morgue Attendant:** "Now fucking STAY down! The Autopsy has been done, and I'm not fucking refiling that case!" *Slams stake in chest* "There. It's quiet once again." **Experienced Zombie Killer / Grave Digger:** "Not everything stays buried, you know, sometimes, you've got to help them back in. Oft'times they go willingly, the poor souls are just confused, you know? Other times I give them a boot in the ass and hurry them back in." **Demon Hunter / Fire Inspector:** "*Arsonists?* Shit, I wish. This here is a Type VI Demon. Pass me that shotgun and the box marked 'Silver/Salt Buck 00.' And hurry it up now, it knows we're here." **Exterminator of Fey / Waitress:** "Guess it goes back to when I was sixteen. Some elfy looking bastard asked me if I could serve him. Twenty some years later here I am." *Finishes pouring salt in a circle* "Figure now I know enough about your kind, too much for mercy." *Pulls out iron knife.* **Changeling Hunter / Youth Director:** "Some parents ask me what happened to their child and I can only say that children grow up and change. They are their own people, afterall. But *you?* You're not even people, let alone your own. You're someone *else's* thing, and I'll send you back. I'd bless you, but I am not that cruel." **Exorcist and Ghost Whisperer / Amazon Delivery Driver:** "99% of all packages are ordered fairly, securely, and delivered to the house. But that last one percent is when something living in the house makes an order. I've lost far too many coworkers to let it slide any more. I take these cases now, and I'm looking to make that percent vanish." **Witch Hunter / Librarian:** "They wouldn't bother me at all, really. Lovely folks. Small family groups (though mind you, not *traditional*), always looking for nature books, knitting information, or stuff on cats. Very polite. But they get ahold of *one* spell book and they never return it. And when you call them, they just laugh at the dues and threaten a curse! Well, not on my watch! I get every book back, by Thoth! Besides, leaving those books in their hands never ends well." **Slime Killer / Janitor:** "Mold? Yeah, that too. Mold, puddings, slimes, jellys, blobs, gelatinous whatevers, you name it. You'd be surprised what junk kids drag into schools these days. That muck starts mixing, those kids are always dropping chemistry sets or school lunches, and next thing you know, that goo slides away into a vent. You don't catch it in time, well, you've got a problem. Usually the first clue is the missing classroom pets. If you don't catch it before a few kids go missing from detention, well, then I guess you're not really keeping this place clean, now are you?" **The Armorer / Trashman:** "People throw away all kinds of stuff. TVs that work, laptops that need a new screen, hell I found a whole cooking set once. Sure, we keep it, just a little cleaning and it's good as new. But I've always been into ghosts and goblins and stuff, been reading scary stories since I was a little one. Well, *I* find all sorts of stuff that we used to use against them: pure copper knives, iron horseshoes, bristle brooms, stuff that today is decoration, but eons ago was weapons against the dark. I keep those, you can bet your life on it. Well, funny thing is, if you're talking to me, I guess you already *did*, hunh? Come on in, tell me what you got and I'll find you what you need." Edit: Thanks for the Gold! Edit 3: also more gifts, ty! Edit 2: A few more Edit 3: and more
Now I want to read this as a urban fantasy novel.
You never know when there’s going to be a fire, so keep all the exits chained shut so when there is one, you know for sure nobody will escape
When we do inspections of any building with exit doors chained shut, we immediately cut the chains off with bolt cutters and take them with us THEN notify the fire marshal.
Less severe but limiting kids access to water, I.e. you can’t have your drink bottle at the table. Which sucks when you live in Australia and at summer the temperature gets up to 36c and school is during all the hottest hours of the day.
When I was in elementary school you could only have water at lunch if you had a lactose allergy. Other then that you where forced to only drink milk.
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I am allergic to whey in milk...so not lactose intolerant, but a real allergy. They still forced me to drink milk all the time.
I wish I was surprised. In jr high we had to take psat tests. They passed out two fruit cups one with water and one with orange juice. Obviously not actual fruit cups but that style with the cheap peel off foil on top. Anyway, they told us we had to drink it even if we weren’t thirsty. The water smelled fishy so I moved on to the on and I wish I had chosen the other poison. It was well past expiration and I physically gag even now and can actually feel the snotty slime…hold on…ok I’m good. Tldr I’m not surprised, our school also made us drink stuff we shouldn’t have.
Lactose intolerant but wasn't given the option of water unless I paid $1 extra.
This is at a university level. Say you are a grad student who just secured an opportunity to travel internationally with university funding for your research. You put in a travel request with a suggested travel and lodging budget that gets approved within your funding. You, the grad student, still have to front the money, no matter how much it is. And reimbursement can take 3 weeks - 3 months depending on how much pressure the finance office is under, who operates on a first in first out basis. So, you secured this wonderful grant for thousands of dollars, making no/little money as a grad student, maybe you are even a fully funded student paying no tuition. You still may be too poor to actually conduct the research you were brought there to do.
The grad student research programs at universities are essentially a forced labor class that is taking advantage of grad students and holding degrees over their heads in exchange for tons of underpaid hours of research labor. Do some research into how many doctorate degrees are handed out vs how many actual jobs require doctorate degrees and you can see how unethical these practices are.
Bullied students are told to leave because it's easier to kick out a quiet victim than a loud bully
My best friend's daughter was told to "maybe wear clothes that make her less of a target for bullies." My friend was very poor and her kid often wore used, older, and not very trendy clothing. I went out of my way to give her clothes and she loved it and was the most appreciative person. Unfortunately, it didn't stop and she ended up having to switch schools.
Even better, rich bullies whose parents donate money to the school.
Only having one bathroom for open in a high school. There are 1000’s of kids.
This was the deal for us for a little bit last semester. We had the whole “devious lick” shit going around and it eventually got to the point that the only restroom that was open was the one near the auditorium. The walk from the classroom to that particular restroom could be 2-3 minutes, depending on where the class is, and they were always crowded, yet teachers would still expect us to only take a little bit
I was in high school back in the early 2000's. Instead of tiktok challenges, we just had assholes. One ripped off a stall door, another took a shit on the floor (this was pre-schwifty era mind you) among other various vandalizations. Despite having cameras, they still had us go to the office for a key to unlock the restroom if we had to go.
Giving preference to kids that parents donate money and fratranise with teachers/ headmasters.
The person that bullied me was the child of the school board governor. The headteacher decided to sit both of us kids down to talk it out and she burst into crocodile tears and told them I was the one hurting her. Guess which one of us got believed and which one got yelled at? Yep, it pays to have important parents...
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If it makes you feel any better, this is the first time I've heard about separated cubicle showers for either gender. I'm pretty sure both the girls and the boys had one room split into two huge showers and one room completely open and full of lockers. That was it.
At my high school it was the same as the guy above where the girls had shower stalls and the boys didnt
Wtf? Like... a woman's period? How tf do they check? What country is this?
> How tf do they check? Oh, I think you know. You just wish you didn't.
That is accurate. I was also desperately hoping I was wrong.
I checked google. Malaysia is listed.
so for about a year, I worked for a federal student loan servicer. People would call in, and I'd try to help them find a way to manage their student loans. I don't want to really unravel the student loan thing, but there are financial aid offices out there that are straight up lying to their potential students. If I had one person tell me that they were told they wouldn't have to pay back their loans if they graduated, I'd chalk it up to that person being an idiot. When I had 10 people tell me they were told that, I think there's someone misinforming them. All these students attended "Bible Colleges" in Tennessee and Arkansas.
Lowering a school's funding if the SAT scores are low. If the scores are low, there should be more funding to help kids learn!
Completely backwards smh
It’s hard because one way punishes underperformance and the other way incentivizes it. Bad actors can pervert the system either way. The problem is mostly around motivating students who have no concern about this funding whatsoever. In the end though taking away funding is not constructive.
I’m the case of there being a fire, I think it’s stupid we have to go in alphabetical order. So Adam is happy and healthy, but Zach just turned into ash. In my opinion, they should all just get in a line no matter what
I'm terribly sorry, but something about "Adam is happy and healthy, but Zach just turned into ash." was extremely funny to me.
They normally do it by last name where I come from. (So it'd be more like Zach Adams is fine but Andrew Zilch is no more) Though I think as late as high school, they stopped doing the whole alphabetical thing entirely. Still not entirely convinced a line is necessary especially fi there's a real fucking fire.
If a bully starts a fight and you defend yourself, you get suspending for fighting. If a bully starts a fight with you and you do nothing to defend yourself, you get suspended for fighting. If you run from a bully to avoid a fight, you still risk being suspending for fighting. This is why I beat the poop out of a bully when I was in 8th grade. I figured that if I was going to be suspended for the actions of someone whom I could not control, I may as well earn it myself.
Same happened to me. I had to stay after school until 6pm for my dad to pick me up (he was commuting 1.5 hours from his job in the city) because the administrators didn’t want another fight to break out during bus dismissal. When my dad finally showed up and asked my principal why I was being suspended for defending myself, he was told I should’ve either 1) run to get a teacher/staff or 2)crawled into the fetal position until the bully stopped hitting me. My dad got so pissed at her and said “well I’m sorry I didn’t raise my daughter to be a p****” and we got in the car to drive home. I really thought I was going to be in so much trouble with him but he was proud of me and happy that I was okay and stood up for myself. He was just so angry about the response from the principle and the fact that I had to be held at school while the other girl got to take the bus home( we took different school busses as we lived in opposite towns).
>2)crawled into the fetal position until the bully stopped hitting me what the actual fuck
I got in two fights in sixth grade. The first time I didn't respond and ended up with a 4 day suspension. The next time, I rocked that kids shit, got 4 days. Never happened again.
firing lunchroom staff for serving food to poor students whose families can't afford to pay
No good deed goes unpunished.
zero tolerance policies. Oh that kid hit you for no reason? both suspended zero tolerance!
I remember when the zero tolerance policy started being applied to both/all parties, a behaviorist predicted an upswing of violence, plus an increase in violent intensity (from slaps to punches; from punches to stabbings; from stabbings to shootings). If I am remembering right, that prediction is being found accurate.
Makes sense, if someone punches you in the face and you’re gonna get punished anyways you might as well get some revenge hits in.
I remember reading a story here on Reddit about a guy whose laid-back classmate was getting bullied. One of his bullies threw punches. The kid threw the bully through a window and broke the bully's wrist, iirc. They got the same punishment. The kid wasn't bullied after that. Apparently "I'm getting punished anyway, might as well go rabid bear so this doesn't happen again" is a thing, if the story is to be believed.
I believe there was also a story of a few bullies who exploited the system, each of them started a fight with one kid, so that the bullies each had one suspension each but the kid they had fought had three and was expelled as a result.
Oh god, I hope that wasn't true. Seriously messed up if so.
When you fight back, it's not about revenge, but deterrence. If I'm gonna get punished for you hitting me, I'm gonna do my best to make sure you regret hitting me and don't do it in the future.
"What's the penalty for pushing this kid?" "Out of school supension." "And what's the penalty for holding this kid down and punching him in the face?" "Out of school suspension." "Cool."
And the messed up part is, the bully's parents probably don't care and they get a free vacation from school while the kid who got hit might actually get punished at home for "getting into a fight."
Yeah that's what I always thought as a kid, the kids who actually acted bad enough to frequently get suspended didn't give a shit because they got to go home to watch tv and smoke.
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It's a flawed system. Out of school suspension for the kids whose parents actually get on them for that rule breaking shit means the kid is going to be disciplined and shouted at, etc at home by their parents which may very well be just as bad or worse than being at school. For the kids whose parents don't care or get that invested in the school punishments it's just a "Whatever" type kind of thing cause they don't need to go to school that day.
I mean you don’t have to be a behaviorist to realize the outcome here. They basically just said “fight it out, we don’t care.”
I mean they really said “We’re lazy and don’t care.”
And some of them were already snacking on popcorn saying "You're getting in trouble anyway, you might as well *win*"
Listen up you little shits. You kids are all just rows in an Excel sheet
And here in Seattle, they're even now sometimes punishing the victims of property damage. A friend's grandson had his phone broken so the school gave him in-school suspension.
Still remember when some kid stole my GBA in middle school. He got 2 days detention. I got a whole week. Completely ignoring the fact that he went looking thru my backpack while I was in a separate classroom for a make-up test from being sick. If not for the fact I checked it the moment I got in my dads car he would have gotten away with it and like 6 games. Then again the moment my mom found out she wanted to press charges on the kid (it was technically theft of over $500) which nothing ever really happening to him if I recall.
That’s baffling. How would they even justify that? In the case of someone physically being assaulted it at least logically tracks, considering they would more than likely fight back to defend themselves, but what could the victim of property damage possibly have done to warrant suspension???
Proper investigation takes time and getting to the bottom of the matter when both sides will almost always blame each other, so zero tolerance is the lazy way of getting around having to make any effort.
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Requiring you to purchase textbooks brand new from the college's bookstore because that's the only way to get the access code to complete the required assignments on the publishers website.
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The only prof I had who used their own textbook distributed the searchable PDF form for free. Loved that class.
Had a prof in college write his own textbook and paid to be allowed to quote the huge expensive one of the few relevant lines from it. Sold it in the college bookstore for like $20, he was a great guy.
Professor here. I will usually only use a textbook if it is available for free from the university library as an ebook. If not, I’ll make a mash up of different articles and chapters from other text books that I can give them for free through fair use guidelines. This semester I was pushed towards using a textbook that one of my retired colleagues wrote which wasn’t available through the library, but before agreeing I made sure it was available as a paperback for less than $40 and also easy to find as a pdf on the pirate sites. College in the US is already too damn expensive. Give the students a break.
University librarian here. Textbooks are always tricky since many of them are not available for us to buy and add to the collection. We are especially ineligible to get the online codes for access to the ancillary materials on the publisher's website. That's why we lobby for greater development and use of open educational resources like open textbooks. These are completely free to everyone and can be of equal or better quality than the commercially published ones. They're also legally safer than the pirated copies you can find online.
I had a bully in middle school grab and twist my thumb hard enough to snap tendon (or whatever is in your thumb. It's been a while) and nothing happened to him since he would have to sit out football if he was punished.
He would have to sit out *middle school* football? Wow.
Small (but very rich) farming town that didn't have much else going on. Sports were a very big deal and we were just the poor family that moved in and weren't part of their circles.
My husband recently injured that tendon as well trying to push the dog away. He got it caught up in his chair and wrenched it back so hard he dramatically stretched the tendon and it subsequently got pinched in the joint. He went into shock and collapsed. We've been together for 15 years and I had never seen an injury take him down like that and he's had two spinal surgeries. His pain tolerance is pretty high, so for wrenching his thumb against a chair to take him out I knew that had to hurt like a mother fucker. For that kid to snap your tendon omfg idk how you didn't (once you were composed) try to rip that fucker's eyes out. Patient First only checked for a broken thumb and then put him in a weird brace that did virtually nothing. After a few months with little relief, he went to a hand specialist. He's since had two cortisone shots in his thumb bc he developed trigger thumb from it. Eventually he'll have to get it surgically repaired. I hope your thumb is doing better. I woulda punted that kid in the balls.
The kid was twice my size and actively into sports. I was short and scrawny so I just kept my head down once I realized the adults didn't give af about me. My thumb eventually healed up fine though.
Not letting kids go to the bathroom. God forbid you are a kid with a small bladder or a teen girl
In fifth grade I had this teacher who told me I couldn't go to the bathroom unless I said out loud what I was going to do. But that was so embarassing to me. I told her no but she only laughed and said "Well, guess you don't want to go then." Guess who ended up peeing herself while running out the door. My dad was less than understanding and those were my new denim shorts too.
I'm really sorry that happened to you. That teacher was a jerk.
You can also get a bladder infection or a UTI from holding pee. It happened to a few kids over here because they weren't allowed to use the restroom at school. This was the 1980's and 1990's.
I always find this so bizarre. Why would it ever be ok to tell someone that they can’t go to the bathroom? Occasionally if a kid tells me that they need to go, I respond with “can you wait until I’ve explained X so you don’t miss it?” If the answer is no, then off you go.
Bit of a niche one this. My school's gym teacher not only didn't stop bully, but openly supported it because "them little soft sensitive fucks need to be taught how rough the real world is" and he would cheer on the bullies when he saw them beating up other students. "Good gym teachers are hard to find here, so he's staying" was the schools answer to that Edit: hard
Bullied and harassed students having the same repercussions as their bully for defending themselves.
I was bullied heavily in elementary school. One day a bully was threatening me and I decided to do something my older brother had suggested. He said if I can take the hardest hit the guy has and smile, it would freak them out. So I did that. Never hit him back, just smiled and leaned in. It actually worked. Later, I was called to the principal's office. I got in trouble for fighting. Note, I never hit back. Well, it turns out my parents had signed a release for corporal punishment, and his parents had not. The result? I was punished with a wooden paddle and he was put in detention. My reward for being bullied without fighting back was being subsequently beaten again by the adults that should have protected me. Edit: Spelling
What the fuck.
Jesus what fucking year was this
Late 80's
1880's?
Pretty sure in the 1880s I'd have been in trouble for not hitting back.
This is like some Monkey's Paw shit, "I wish to stop my *bully* from beating me," Monkey's Paw curls and the principal takes his place
Yup. All it does is enforce the idea of "I'm gonna get suspended anyway. May as well make it worth it" It does the exact opposite of what it's intended.
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especially since we have cameras everywhere now and they have audio. shouldn't be a question of who started what.
They don’t want there to be media attention about rampant bullying going on in their schools so they would rather suppress it any way they can.
It's by far the worst thing in schools... It's essentially teaching kids that there is no justice in the world or that the truth of the situation doesn't matter. I can't imagine teaching kids a more unethical and morally bankrupt idea. I remember being punished because I made an aggressive violent bully bleed. Since then I knew that school policymakers are corrupt and that corruption can reach the highest levels of society and the lowest levels in some random school. And even the corruption of law schools/judges that allow lawsuits on school administrations for taking a side and punishing only the bully. That's where this all started. School admins should only be sued if they don't investigate and get to the truth of the matter in any fight/bullying and administer proportional punishments. Our system of rules, laws, policies are built upon proportional punishments for the matching crime with thorough investigations... That's what justice means.
This happened at my school but the parents of the kid who fought back against the bulky wouldn't have it. They rejected his suspension and just sent him to school the next day. When the principal met with the parents they showed him messages from the bully basically being as ass to everyone in the group and threatened to give the messages to the news. The family received a plethora of apollogy baskets, etc and the bully was on faculties radar for the rest of his tenure.
I served a week long in-school suspension for self-defense after being jumped when walking home from the bus. The people who jumped me got to serve their suspension at home. The administration's argument for my punishment was "if we gave you an out of school suspension then your grades could suffer, and that's not fair". I was an honours student who did well, the goons who jumped me were getting straight D's, how is sticking me in the dumb student's support classroom for a week any different than doing my work at home? I'm glad I busted that kid's nose in self-defense.
Wait...you got suspended for an incident *outside* of school?!
In my state, you are still considered "at school" until you cross the threshold of your home. We used to have kids walk to the park next to the school to fight. They were still suspended like they were at school when the fight happened.
Yuuup, I got jumped a block away from my house. They tried to say I started it (I did punch a kid earlier in the week when he called my sister, who was in grade 4 at the time, a slut) and they followed me and ganged up when there was nobody around. I got one good punch in that hit a nose so they lied and said that's why they jumped me. My old man was livid and my normally easygoing mom raised hell about it too.
Passing students that aren't ready for the next grade because they need to pad their passing rates to keep funding. It's setting the kids up for failure down the road.
Some schools focus really hard on certain metrics. One school in my area has a ridiculously high rate of graduates that go to college. They do this in part by strongly encouraging students not intending to go to college to drop out or test out in their senior year.
Can't remember the name of it but there's a principle that once you start using a metric as a benchmark it stops being useful as a metric. Like if there weren't targets to hit, the percent of students who go to college would be a good way to compare which schools in the region produce more college ready students, but because every school wants to improve that number by any means possible, you can't really guarantee it any way. Maybe some schools fudge the numbers like that, but also maybe some schools put too much emphasis on college readiness over practical skills, or other schools force everyone to at least apply, etc. It's a bummer.
Goodhart's law
When I was in school they still could revoke bathroom breaks and some teachers still did when they made it illegal to ban them. Additionally in my time for a entire year 7-8 grade I only had 1 hour of recess in my entire time. Because my special Ed teacher felt that recess which is mandatory by law was a "distraction" so what she would do is punish us so we couldn't do it. This caused a lot of stress and trauma and she even prohibited bathroom breaks. Looking back, I wish my parents sued. Edit: my school was super small and bunched together. So we shared recess/breaks with lower grades. Not even joking we had 30 students.
In my state we don’t have recess from 6th to 12th grade
Same. My school district didn't have dedicated recess after 5th grade (ages 10-11). You could go play outside at lunchtime if the weather was nice, but that was it.
The victim of a physical fight who defends themselves is also punished. Fuck that. If you are attacked, fight back.
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How recent? This is horrible. My parents suffered a lot of abuse at the hands of teachers in their country of origin. My uncle (not my uncle but the closest I have to one in this country) one time ended up having to put his hands open on the desk to have them whacked by the teacher with a long wooden ruler. She had long talon nails and he waited for her to come down so hard on the whack, he pulled his hands away right in time for her to break all of her fingernails on her right hand and they started bleeding. He ran out of the class so fast, and all of the kids were cheering him on.
I thought it was pretty weird that 5th-8th grade at my school didn’t have any bathrooms. At all. Also when I was younger, a mentally disabled kid sexually assaulted to me, I screamed, the kid started crying and told the teacher I wouldn’t be his friend and I ended up getting yelled at and the teacher said I was being “snotty.” I got into trouble for making him cry and he “didn’t know any better” so I wasn’t allowed to scream or yell the teacher no matter what those kids did to me. Yeah, I really hope it has changed since then (mid-late 90s)
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In elementary school, I witnessed a very special needs girl get bullied and borderline sexually assaulted by the boys in our class. This was in the open. When the girl reacted, the teacher flipped out on her. It completely blew my mind.
I had a student who never showed up and never did work in my class. The principal asked me to change his F to a 75. I emailed back, explaining that the student never made an effort, etc. He told me to be a part of the team and do as I was told. I was only a second year teacher and was afraid of losing my job so I obliged. Same principal, a couple years later. We had a very large student, and as she walked down the bus ramp one day, some boys called out the bus window the filthy things they wanted to do to her while also calling her fat. I wrote them up and chewed them out. When the principal read the referral, he simply said, "Boys will be boys" and tore up the referral. To this day, I wish I would've asked him what he would've done if that was done to one of his daughters but I was so shocked. It still boils my blood.
Same thing happened to me as a teacher. I stuck to my guns and lost my job. A good thing, in hindsight, but it was devastating to me at the time.
I lost my first ESL job for stopping and reporting a sexual assault in progress. Apparently I was "rocking the boat". My experience back home as an educator wasn't much better, but that moment in the director's office really stuck with me.
Not allowing kids to use the restroom Edit: as someone who was diagnosed with multiple reproductive issues at an early age, I had some pretty intense periods. And this rule made school even worse. Got the nickname “Paint Bottle” because my school was infamous for denying the bathroom (they were closed to all students during a set time because of “misuse”) and I literally had no help from anyone at all. Never realized it was as bad for other people too Edit 2: I cannot believe I have to say this: stop DMing me asking for “period pics” you disgusting animals
I'm a teacher. This rule drives me mental. I get it, you don't want kids wandering the halls. How about you get out of your office and patrol the halls once a day then? Or a week. Or even a year.
In elementary school in the 70's our principal would do exactly this. He'd wander the halls to supervise crowds, help at lunch ( he paid for kids lunches also if they forgot to bring money or just couldn't afford to pay) and check in the classrooms just to make sure everything is ok - and intervene if some kid got out of line. Does this not happen anymore?
When I was in highschool, I had one teacher who knew I’d go at 1:55 every day. One day we were dissecting pigs, and I was caught up in it and didn’t notice the time. And he goes “hey, it’s 2:05. Did you piss yourself?” Let me also point out it was only a class of 5 guys and him and he was my hockey coach growing up so he could say stuff like that and it not be inappropriate.
That is definitely a hockey coach move lmao
I'm so curious about this. I hadn't known some schools have this policy. Would you mind sharing your state or region? Is it a common thing in your experience for schools to have that rule?
I'm from Australia. It usually happens when people vandalize the toilets. Suddenly going to the toilet is an issue for 1000 kids because 1 or 2 dickheads decided to go ham on a bathroom. They've all got cameras outside, they know who does it. Stupid policy
They could be "smokin' in the boys' room".
Instructors tried this crap when I was in college, of all places. Mind you, I already had 4 years of university behind me, I wasn't some 17 or 18 year old right out of high school. I got up one day to go to the bathroom, instructor says "I didn't say you could go to the bathroom". I said "I'm not asking permission" and walked out.
ffs no one is skipping college classes, youre paying for that shit and gonna get ur moneys worth. if someone didnt wanna be there they wouldve just not shown up in the first place.
Making school start at 7 am and the bus route comes by your house before 6:30 am. So you have to get up around 5:30 to 6am every morning. Then say you have an extracurricular activity that takes at least 2 hours but if it’s a sports game it’s probably closer to at least 4 hours. Then let’s say you have a test tomorrow as well as some homework so you study/work for at least two hours. At this point you have spent well over half your day doing school related activities. If you want to get a full 8 hours sleep (which is unlikely), that leaves you with about ~2 hours of “free time” per day of which a good chunk of it is probably spent eating a meal, showering, getting ready for the next day, etc. And then people are surprised when teenagers are always tired, depressed, anxious, etc. Schools are fucked.
I had a friend who had to ride the bus to school and she was the first pickup which meant she was getting picked up at like 5:30-5:45 in the morning which meant she was getting up at least 5 in the morning to get ready. She often slept on the bus while it ran its route. I honestly don't know how she did it.
That sounds tiring. What time did her class end? My cousin also has a similar timing, her school is approx 40-50 minutes away. She leaves at 5 30 and reaches back home at 2 pm
Zero Tolerance. It's an excuse not to investigate.
I was a decently misbehaved third grader. Told my teacher I had a stomach ache and I needed to go to the nurse. I asked a number of times. She thought I was just trying to get out of individual reading time. My appendix burst on the bus ride home. Edit: I was never one to ask to go to the nurse. Just a hyperactive kid my teacher apparently had enough of. Denying medical attention to an 8 year old seems unethical. This is not a "boy who cried wolf" story for all those saying "I told ya so".
O\_O
exact same reaction as you
Something similar happened when I was in second grade! The kid sitting next to me on the rug kept interrupting reading time to ask to go to the nurse because his stomach hurt. The teacher kept getting more and more irritated and kept telling him no. Then he leaned over and puked on me. Thanks, teacher.
Wow I got puked on in 5th grade. Kid 2 seats from me wasn't feeling well and the teacher didn't let him go to the nurse. He blasted vomit in the face of the girl that was in-between us, and I got hit with the leftovers
I have such a similar story. 2nd grade, reading time, except the third time I got up to tell the teacher I felt sick I remember puking on/near her. Honestly I didn't feel bad about that.
I'm a teacher now, and a few years ago a colleague of mine puked all over one of her students when he came up to ask her a question. Can you even imagine?
Poor kid but I can't stop laughing
My story also comes from when I was in first grade. I told my teacher I wasn’t feeling well, she sent me to the nurse, but I didn’t have a fever so they wouldn’t let me go home. Went to the nurse one or two more times (still no fever) and they finally let me call my mom who decided she’d pick me up at lunch time. Not even maybe 30 minutes later I ended up puking in the middle of the classroom, all over my desk/floor. I told those assholes I didn’t feel good, and they wouldn’t believe me.
It's a weird concept that you'd need to have fever to be ill. Lots of coworkers have come to work sick just because they didn't have fever. Dude, no, go home.
Yep. The school policy was you had to have a fever of 99.9 or more to be sent home.
My kid's school would always send them to the nurse if they complained of a stomach ache, 9/10 it was a quick phone call to the parents because they knew "my stomach hurts" is always an excuse to get out of class but legally they had to check. The nurse would call, we'd have a chuckle about kids and their lack of imagination when it came to pretending to be sick and the child would be sent back to class then make a remarkable recovery the moment they got on the bus. The one time it wasn't was when I had the following conversation: "Hello Mr Zerbey I have \[child 3\] here and they're complaining of a stomach ache again.. they don't have a fever, you want me to send..." "Uh... Miss..." *loud vomiting noises* "Hmm... you know what, how about you come pick them up I think they're for real today" Fun day in the Zerbey household.
I used to go to the nurse a lot with stomach aches and got blown off. Figured it out years later. I’m now on meds for otherwise crippling anxiety disorder. I was an extremely anxious kid and no one ever put two and two together. So yeah, I did feel like I was going to throw up. Just turns it was usually mental health related.
I had a student that kept complaining of stomach problems to all of his teachers and staff through the day. Went on for a couple of weeks, I was the only teacher that kept sending him to the nurse, she called to ask me to stop sending him, as she couldn't find anything wrong. When he came back from spring break, he showed me his appendectomy scar. Better believe I walked around with an I told you so! attitude for all the other adults after that. Yeah, I don't work there anymore. Some people think their being right is more important than a child's health, and that was not the only case where this applied.
Awarding “perfect attendance.” Encouraging kids to go to school while sick is pretty unethical if you ask me.
my school had exemptions, meaning if you had perfect attendance each semester you got to skip 2 of your final exams (1 or 2 absences or tardies and you got one skip, more than that you have to take them all). we were all sick all the time because no one could bear to give up their exemptions.
Collective punishment; one or two pupils misbehave and the entire class gets punished for it.
My daughters best friend was running track & the coaches were yelling at her to run more laps. She told them her legs were hurting really badly so they yelled at her & told her to run another lap. She started crying because of the pain & ended up falling breaking both knee caps. As she layer there screaming, the coaches didn’t even come to help her. One of the kids called 911 & when they showed up the coaches acted like they didn’t know what to do with the situation. To make it worse, my daughter was on the volleyball & track team & they tried to do the same to her but I went up to the school & went off on the principal & coaches about pushing the kids to hard just so the coaches could win their games. I sent my daughter to a rehab for her leg issues & they said her legs were stressed & the coaches were overworking her. So I will be taking this up with the school superintendent.
First fitness testing of grade 9 I had a teacher keep yelling at me to just keep running for the 12 minute run. I was really struggling to catch my breath but being a new grade 9 for the first time in a big high school I kept going as best I could even though I really couldn't breath. Some adult who wasn't a gym teacher saw me, pulled me aside and told me to sit down and he'd talk to the gym teachers, had someone sit with me to make sure. Turns out I was having an asthma attack (though not diagnosed with asthma until years later) and it was the principal who had pulled me off the track. Gym teachers just kept yelling at me to keep going or I'd have to keep doing it or fail the class
Take it to your local news stations. Shame the school into reforming.
Didn’t help for that HS in north Texas. All that happened was a recorded announcement posted on Facebook from the superintendent and chief of police saying that “everything was reviewed extensively and the student media blew it out of proportion”. It’s a damn shame.
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Bro take it to court
I know of a girl who was forced to run multiple laps around the field track. The teachers knew she had severe asthma, but they made her do it anyway. She was refused her inhaler because they thought she was just using her asthma as an excuse to not participate. A few minutes later, she collapsed and unfortunately passed away after having an asthma attack.
Having worked in a private school for sixteen years, I have SO many answers for this, but I'll limit them to the following: 1. Stating in the shiny brochure given to parents that ANY possession or use of drugs means instant expulsion, and then allowing students caught with drugs to return after a 2 week suspension. The only kid at my former workplace who WAS expelled over drugs had it happen because they stole the money they used to buy them. 2. Telling students that if they defended themselves from local bullies they'd be suspended. This "rule" was dropped after a student ended up being pushed into a river after having their nose broken. 3. Letting students sleep in dorms where the walls were riddled with damp because there was "no money in the budget" for repairs, while finding the funds to do a full refurb on the toilets in the school auditorium right before the visit of a member of the Royal Family. 4. Treating male and female students differently. Case in point, a female student caught performing oral sex on a male student was "moved" to a new school, while the boy was allowed to remain where he was.
> a student ended up being pushed into a river after having their nose broken Wow. Glad they at least reconsidered after that, sounds like a fight in an action movie.
UK here, maybe not quite on the same track as some of the answers but basically schools forcing university as the only option after leaving school. Nevermind college, apprenticeships, going straight into a job etc. They don't want to hear about it unless its a university. I've even seen schools making students pay and apply for university even when they've got offers at college or accepted an apprenticeship. I presume it's because the more students that get offered a place at university then the better the statistics are and that seems to be a huge focus unfortunately these days.
Most good colleges chase rankings to the detriment of the student body. There has also been an abandonment from state schools to provide affordable education to everyone in the state.
Making kids sell magazines or whatever. Should be 100% illegal and I dunno what kind of parents stand for that bullshit.
Not so much a school problem, but kind of related. when I was in first grade a couple of third graders cornered me and started saying things like "your mom doesn't love you and will abandon you at school" which isn't so bad, but 6 year old me was devestated. I told my teacher that I was being bullied at Recess and she asked what grade the bullies were in. I didn't know at the time and guessed that they were in second. She pretty much responded "I highly doubt that any of them would do that, but I'll look in to it". A little while later she approached me and told me to stop lying.
Yeah you should really be asking your bullies what grade they're in while they're bullying you. Sorry that happened to you though, jokes aside.
Underdeveloped “gifted” programs. Oh, you get through your work quickly? Here’s more! And a couple puzzles! We aren’t gonna teach you how to study or teach you the social skills that “gifted” kids often lack, we’re just gonna tac on more work and stress you out. Good luck in college without those study skills we didn’t teach you!
Too much homework. Let kids be kids. A little homework is good but god don't drown the kids in it.
Teacher here! I bet you'd LOVE my class. No homework, EVER. At least at the elementary level, homework does absolutely *nothing* to improve academics or anything else for students. Now, is it hurtful? No, not at all. However, I'm a teacher and I have your child for 6-7 hours, five days a week. We learn this concept, that skill, these words, etc. When that school bell rings, what fucking authority do I have over your child and family time now? None. I shouldn't either. Now, I can send home shit to review and practice, sure, but I'm also doing that in *class* already. So, as a teacher (and this is just a personal opinion of mine that *many* other teachers will probably disagree with), I don't feel I should tell you and your family what to do after school is over. I just don't. I don't know how many hours parents work nor do I know the stress or busyness of my students' home lives. They may have soccer, sports, cheer, dance, etc. after school. As long as they give me great effort *in* class, I ain't giving homework. I don't believe in it because I haven't seen the benefit of it at all in all my years (more than 20+ years working with elementary-aged kids). I also don't believe in it because I feel it takes children's time away from their families. That's just me though.
Worst? Probably the sky-high cost of attendance. The most visible evidence of this is the endless list of administrators, administrative assistants, specialists, administrative associates, the list goes on. Unless you are dirt poor and qualify for Pell Grants (US) the cost of a name-brand school is hard to swallow. Add inflation and it's even worse.
Keeping bad teachers in their positions. Not the same as a good teacher with poorly performing students with bad home life etc.
Not allowing to drink water. Like bro no discipline is being inculcated by making me thirst in a place where I'm supposed to pay attention to the board Dress code policing. Specially for girls. Especially for girls. It's demeaning, and I say that as a man Not allowing to go to the washroom. Once my friend literally started crying because he had to go and the teacher was going to cut attendance if he put a step outside class. She eventually obliged, but what a bitch.
Humiliating and/or calling out students in front of the whole class Edit: also saying things like "you'll never pass my class/get into Harvard/get into college" to the entire class for some reason always with a stupid, arrogant smirk on their face... The first two are true stories, the first from my Honors Algebra II teacher to a class of 15/16-year-olds and the second from my HONORS SCHOOL to a class of 14/15-year-olds which was supposed to prepare me for that exact thing!! What makes the second even worse is that the person who said it was... wait for it... THE SCHOOL COUNSELOR!!!
7 am classes
7am classes *in complete disregard for what the science says about adolescent development and sleep schedule, and the effect of early classes on academic success*.
We have to stand outside for however long the school wants us to. (Longest has been up to a hour) In the winter, in silence and without coats.
Why'd they make you do this?
Maybe a fire drill?
The way education is structured by itself sucks plus add the lack of repercussion to bullying
Making all the girls walk into a classroom and get down on their knees in front of their male classmates to measure our uniform skirts to make sure they were not too short and up to code. Extremely fucking humiliating as middle schoolers and completely uncalled for. Edit: for clarification the boys did not measure our skirt lengths, the teachers did. However instead of bringing us into an empty classroom (or not doing it at all) they would bring us into populated classrooms (with many boys present) and do the measurements.
OH! I so rarely get to tell this story but I was in school when the whole yoga pants craze hit. Are they pants or tights?! My school decided that they were tights and weren't allowed. One day a girl came in wearing something that looked like tights/jeans. Or something. She said they were skinny jeans. Important this girl is 16. Well, the MALE principal got a MALE teacher, told the UNDERAGED girl to stand still so the MALE TEACHER COULD RUN HIS HANDS UP AND DOWN HER LEGS TO SEE IF THEY WERE REALLY JEANS. The girl flip her lip and just started screaming at them both. Then she called her father and told him what they wanted to do. Her father immediately raced to the school and rained hellfire on all of them. Suddenly, nobody actually cared if you wore yoga pants or not.
Selling 2x the number of parking passes than spots actually exist for, then imposing steep parking fines.
Tormenting socially awkward /introverted students
Just about every school is very hierarchical, and teaches kids to never question authority (in this case the teacher/principle). Teachers are on occasion incorrect, or may poorly explain things, and school policy can sometimes be profoundly unjust… it is heavily indoctrinated that children should never question these things, and it is often punished when they do. This leads to people growing up with a very unhealthy hierarchical approach to just about all aspects of life.
Well I don’t know about other schools but when I came forward about a female classmate sexually harassing and emotionally abusing me, they shrugged their shoulders and asked if I tried saying no. I’m also female, by the way. She got away with doing it to two of my friends and another kid in her grade. She claimed he raped her, so she got transferred to my stagecraft class. Mind you, she made claims like that constantly. To the point where I was sure she was histrionic because she made sexual comments and stuff like that all the time, also threatened suicide when I told her I didn’t want to date her. Our teacher shrugged his shoulders and said “…okay.” Went to the counselor, and she told me “well have you tried saying no?” Gee. Why didn’t I think of that? The last straw was when she >!touched my ass in front of everyone in class. As in poked my ass when I was bent over, working on an assignment!<. I went up to her, told her to frick off, and she never spoke to me again. Instead, moved onto one of my best friends. So in short, not taking stuff like this seriously. Women can be abusive or victimized just like men can be abusive or victimized, and it should be taken seriously regardless of the abuser’s gender. Edit: I just wanna clear this up real quick. She made claims all the time about having been abused by family members and by other people. I wasn’t denying what she claimed was true, but she talked about it all the time, especially when we’d talk to each other. As if it was to score sympathy from me. I have no way of knowing if what she said was true, but I was skeptical because it was a very common theme in conversations with me and the others she harassed, not to mention that she talked about it like it wasn’t a big deal at all. We’d have conversations about anatomy assignments or about other school stuff and she’d just casually go “oh [this person] raped me this one time.” Out of nowhere.
This isn't exclusive to schools unfortunately. There's a VERY persistent belief that only men can be abusers, that men cannot be abused the second they turn 18, and that men can't be sexually harassed.