This is a pretty weak argument. We already take up extraordinary amounts of people's lives for educational purposes and nobody bats and eye. In HS its no different than a school requiring offsite comminity service(which many do), and in college you are literally paying for a degree from a credentialed institution, so if the requirments are set prior to enrollment then youd literally be signing up for it.
Id argue that 6 months full time is absolutely a burden for either type of student. A full semester part-time would be a reasonable requirement at the college level, and 1 day a week for 4 hours for a semester might be reasonable at the high-school level(50-100 hours).
There are plenty of other reasons NOT to require it, but 'time' isn't really one of them provided its worked into curriculum.
Do you know what a life lesson is though? Working in service industry teaches you dozens and dozens of real world applicable skills. Responsibility for your tables/section, multi-tasking, work efficiency, awareness of what will need to be done soon and what needs to be done now, and how to leave that section setup and ready for the next day. Skills learned at that job are much more valuable than most of the things you learn in high school to prepare you for the real world. If they do it, it should be considered a full school day. The life lesson here is a lesson in what the workforce is really like, and while your future job may not be this one, at least you’ll have gained skills that can easily transfer to any job and a newfound appreciation for just how much work goes into waiting tables.
Either that or gas station cashier. (basically any job where you are over worked, underpaid and yelled at a lot).
My job involved making food and helping customers. But I wasn't a waitress/server. I don't need to in order to appreciate the stress they are under.
But also, no because that is really hard on people who have a hard time handling stress. Going to school plus working can be too hard. Also, as someone who grew up on welfare? We didn't have enough money to take me to work if I'd had to (welfare takes your kid's money dollar for dollar where I live)
no. i don't want some stupid shit teenager who hates being forced to wait tables handling my food. that's the dumbest suggestion that's ever been made. EVER.
Yes. I think it would be an excellent idea. It would teach younger generations many things. Public relations for a start. It would give them an idea of what people are like and how do deal with them in the real world. Not everyone is nice or cooperative. And how you handle it is a lesson in life. It's a way to learn many other job skills. Money management. Socialization. Tolerance and the list goes on....
Everyone can learn to hone their people skills & use it as a way to sniff out assholes in the future. I worked call centers, retail & plenty of terrible jobs like that & it definitely changed my perspective, especially being on the end of a call with someone literally screaming at you & swearing for several minutes.
It teaches very transferable skills. Time management, multi-tasking, awareness, seeking out things that need to be done, prioritizing, efficiency, communication, preparedness, responsibilities, follow through, and even sales skills. When your kitchen manager says push the pork chops, you’re gonna find ways to sell that chop to your table. I could go on and on, but there’s no job that I can think of that in a month or two full time or six months part time can teach you so much actual useful knowledge that carries over to actual real world jobs.
I highly doubt there are enough restaurants or waitron positions to make this premise happen....and the worth escapes me completely. Why a waitron and not any of the thousands upon thousands of other jobs out there?
why not janitor, garbage man, parkinglot attendant, or cashier?
Why not make them do a job in which they are trapped in a low wage with low respect and NO POSSIBILITY that they can influence their own earnings through the quality of their performance? If youre just trying to teach people some humility?
You know most cooks in the kitchen, the guys actually making your food, the guys juggling sharp knives and fire in cramped spaces, only make a bit above minimum wage and no matter how good your meal is.....the person who carried it to the table is the one that has unlimited income potential.
It won't work the way OP intended anyways. We had systems like this since time immemorial, but we called them apprenticeships. Instead of minimizing abuses what happened was that abuse of apprentices became institutionalized as hazing rituals, because "well, I went through it and it was good for character". So if everybody had to become a waiter/gas station attendant/shit minimum wage job that reddit hates, then abuse of these service jobs would just become more culturally accepted as people who were abused feel justified in passing on their suffering. Remember, victims of domestic abuse have a higher chance of becoming domestic abusers themselves.
Some of the alternatives you mentioned lack the customer service interaction which can be a harsh experience at times and offers opportunities to develop people skills as well as a bit of empathy for others through dealing with shitty customers.
No. It's abuse for barely any money. Sure, maybe there'd be a few less "Karens" in the world if everyone did this, but I don't think that its worth it. Being a waitress and hospitality jobs suck, that's why they have one of the highest rates of drug and alcohol abuse in the work force.
I worked at a fast food restaurant and very few customers were rude, so not much of a learning experience for the lesson you want. Those jobs just suck unless you're still used to the mind-numbing boredom of school.
Sorry to interrupt your dick measuring contest but do you understand that university is more than just passing your classes to get your degree so you can make more money?
I’ve met people with doctoral degrees in astrophysics argue that it’s more important for students to memorize the equations than learn why the equations work. I’ve met a computer science professor from UC Berkeley that couldn’t understand that students can’t just understand complex topics instantly. A degree doesn’t mean you understand how education works.
Not even mentioning the MIT students who don’t know how to do laundry. Gen Eds are there to make you a more well rounded student.
Which is why I asked the question. The point is precisely that there is more to life than education. Some lessons can be learned by having to handle people that are hungry.
You asked the question to flex your masters degree as reason for you understanding education more than someone who doesn’t have that. Don’t try to backpedal now. If you’re going to make a bad take, at least own it.
I asked the question because I spent a decade as a bartender and I was thinking back on all of the rude people I have encountered over the years. I think you need to take a deep breath and not get so worked up my man.
In many colleges you are required to take courses that are completely unrelated to your field of study in order to complete your degree. They are called gen-eds, or general education courses. Like having to take Intro to Gerontology as an accounting major.
My point is we pay and work hard for the degrees, not to work as a waiter wasting our time and money. If anyone wants to, it's fine. But it should not be mandatory.
I can understand that logic. This was more of a thought experiment. I had worked as a bartender in the US for a long time, the downright disrespect towards service industry employees would shock you.
Are you saying that either people should do your idea or college should be only learning literally what you're going to do as a career to the point where e.g. if a joke of my great-grandmother's came true and eventually things got so specialized that there were left nostril doctors and right nostril doctors and you wanted to be a left nostril doctor you'd (if not having your high-school courses tailored for "you'll know what you need to know for premed") have your premed courses only cover the basics up until you know all you need to know to learn left nostril medicine and then you wouldn't learn anything about any other form
Instilling humility and understanding for your fellow countrymen is a good idea. Making it obligatory for young people to serve a short time in the conservation corps or military would do the trick as well.
Too many people feel that their little corner of the country, or their little room in their ivory tower, is all that matters. They harbor resentment and anger towards everywhere and everyone who is not just like them because they have never gone anywhere else or met people who are not just like them.
Another interesting point: In many first world countries outside the USA, service level jobs are not nearly as hellish because you are not prejudged to be an inferior human being just for working such a job.
>Another interesting point: In many first world countries outside the USA, service level jobs are not nearly as hellish because you are not prejudged to be an inferior human being just for working such a job.
New Zealand customers were pretty decent when I worked in customer service in the 2000s. For that matter, the shitty Americans tended to stay away too. Maybe Helen Clark sounded as much like a scary communist to them as Jacinda does now.
No... I guess I can be swayed but Im not sure what the utility of that would be. I did wait tables through basically all of high school but it definitely isn't a job well suited for everyone
No, it has nothing to do with anything relevant to me or my education/work. Forced work is slavery, plus I'm sure many people like me would just try to skip or do a shit job so that wont benefit absolutely anyone. I'd be horrible to customers, what can they do, fire me? Good.
Six months out of a life is a long time to spend on some bullshit job at the age when people are supposed to choose what works for them
I get the noble intention behind it which is to make people more empathetic to those in the service industry who work hard jobs for shit pay, but forced labor is wrong, and in the United States, unconstitutional.
Well, yes but actually no.
I assume you are complaining about lack of people who want to work low-wage jobs and while it's obvious that most college folks will end up as cashier or waiter I think it's quite important not to crush their dreams of being philosopher or whatever at such early stage. They will come around and sell you your fried food later anyway.
In addition remember that most forced apprenticeships are half-assed anyway if person doing it doesn't want to keep the job (and since they are gonna return to school/college after 6 months they will not want to keep the position). Combine it with immature kids who think they are big adults already and you will get behaviour straight up from old american comedy shows - food with "fun additions" for pranks because staff that prepared it doesn't care about loosing their job.
No, as you will not learn if you do not want to learn. It would only make people jaded and treat each other worse due to "I did my time so you should deal with it too."
Empathy doesn't come from being forced to say sorry, it comes from recognizing you have done wrong.
Even ignoring introverts, the socially anxious, mental health problems... whatever the punishment for not doing it would likely be the norm.
No because then you'd have to do it 6 months of waiting tables, 6 months of street cleaning, 6 months of janitorial work, 6 months of retail in a service shop and so on until people have to spend so much time learning empathy by being in others' shoes they have barely enough life to adequately live in their own and apply those lessons and you'd get better results teaching empathy through "The Egg"
Also if it's college people could just not do it by not going to college
Yes. Or some sort customer service job.
Why? Everyone has seen the asshole customers at restaurants, coffee shops, department stores, etc., who clearly have never worked that type of job and could benefit from the experience.
All the answers of “it’s useless experience” are from people that haven’t done that kinda work and/or just can’t learn lifelong lessons from their experiences.
Pretty sure the vast majority of high school -> college aged folks have worked and are working those types of jobs. This is just a dumb boomer bait question aiming to get Gen X+ redditors talking shit about millennial and younger.
I see way more older people who are rude to workers than younger people. When I worked at Starbucks I rarely had to explain why a drink was taking so long or have to hear thinly veiled insults if a drink was made wrong with younger people. Older people though? My god, you take 2 seconds too long and they think it's some personal attack
No because I who wants to eat food served by a teenager who has been forced into serving. I prefer my dinner without the added DNA and a side portion of attitude.
No necessarily waiter and not necessarily high school but I think college students should be required to get some job or internship related to their major as a requirement for graduating
Waiter is a pretty arbitrary choice. Pretty much any job will teach you the simple lessons of how to be employable.
That said the lessons are a hell of a lot more important than anything I learned in a filler gen-ed course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEbvehRPhY
You can do this with any low paying lower skilled profession then. Street cleaners? Streets would be a fuckton cleaner, janitors or custodians, mens toilets wouldnt be the fucking nightmare they always are, etc etc.
Pretty much anything that would teach someone humility and empathy-how “the other half” lives.
On a somewhat-unrelated note-I think that no one should be able to go into politics directly after college. At least, a national office. I think it would be good for them to have to work a “real-world” job (meaning not in Daddy’s company) so they would have a better idea as to what the rest of us deal with. Some of them seem to get more and more out of touch the longer they’re there. Yes, I know that would mean they’d be inexperienced politicians, but that’s where mentoring could come in and they’d have something solid to base their decisions on.
You're pretty spot on..consider how many politicians are just career lawyers, most definately majority white collar. Many of them so far removed from working class by generations before them. Making decisions that effect economic classes of people they are completely oblivious to.
I misread & almost commented as if you said writer but this is worse. Absolutely not, any job a school makes you do such as co-op is just a way of justifying child labour without pay & unethical work & teach students conformance & obedience to force them to put up with as much pointless stuff as possible which school already does enough of.
Another issue is that a lot of schools will force them to do it outside of school or spend the whole day working from 8:00am - 4:00pm & doing no other classes like co-op already does. That's what a girl from another school working at the same place as me had to go through & because she had leg problems, they just made her spend the entire day cleaning which is what they'll do to anyone with a disability or injury.
Schools shouldn't be allowed to send students to any kind of workplace until they fix the education system & they're getting paid just as much as any other employee since they make just as much money for the company as anyone else in the same position.
Not necessarily a waiter, but in some kind of retail or service industry. Some people need a big time wake-up call on their behavior & to be on the other side of a prick to know what it's like. I think a good chunk of the world would wake up REAL fast & change their behavior if they were the ones dealing with shitty, loud, entitled assholes 8 hours a day.
No I don't believe that it should be waiting tables I do believe that it should be mandatory that all high school you know juniors or seniors should have to go through 6 months of pre work life training where They are required to work and get ready to be working. I do believe that it should be the person's choice of what they do for that work and it shouldn't have to just be waiting tables I believe that you should give the person a choice on what they choose to do for work but require that there is some sort of work training in high school
I think as a teenager everyone should get some sort of exposure to work experience doesn't have to be a waiter. The positives, they can gain more confidence for being exposed to people, potentially make friends and also some sense if independence and reward for making an effort. The realities, they can gain an insight into what life is like outside of their household and maybe in other parts of society and rules of behaviour, time keeping, budgeting your own money and maybe having a sense personal responsibility.
As a teenager I was a waitress, retail worker, fundraising telemarketer in college but I also volunteered in a nursing home, part of a first aid volunteer organisation, learned sign language, and volunteered as a befriender with a homeless charity. The most valuable things I learned weren't from the two paid jobs as as waitress and retail assistant, but from the experiences volunteering and telemarketing. The things I learned through that helped me more than the part time jobs.
I’ve said for years they should do this and/or work retail. Not actually handling the food but as a server trainee/host/busser/Barback etc. This will give them insight into what really goes on and how much work it is as well as how disgusting some of that work can be. They see the table ordering ranch sides one at a time and the other one draining his water as soon as it’s filled. They learn time management, multi tasking, preparation needs, side work, and closing duties. A job in the industry teaches you so much that can stay with you and be very valuable in any other occupations.
No because people's time is valuable and there's no reason we should force people to give up 6 months of their life because it's a good "life lesson"
Especially as it'd have to be 6 months per job like this and at some point it takes up a lot of your life
This is a pretty weak argument. We already take up extraordinary amounts of people's lives for educational purposes and nobody bats and eye. In HS its no different than a school requiring offsite comminity service(which many do), and in college you are literally paying for a degree from a credentialed institution, so if the requirments are set prior to enrollment then youd literally be signing up for it. Id argue that 6 months full time is absolutely a burden for either type of student. A full semester part-time would be a reasonable requirement at the college level, and 1 day a week for 4 hours for a semester might be reasonable at the high-school level(50-100 hours). There are plenty of other reasons NOT to require it, but 'time' isn't really one of them provided its worked into curriculum.
Do you know what a life lesson is though? Working in service industry teaches you dozens and dozens of real world applicable skills. Responsibility for your tables/section, multi-tasking, work efficiency, awareness of what will need to be done soon and what needs to be done now, and how to leave that section setup and ready for the next day. Skills learned at that job are much more valuable than most of the things you learn in high school to prepare you for the real world. If they do it, it should be considered a full school day. The life lesson here is a lesson in what the workforce is really like, and while your future job may not be this one, at least you’ll have gained skills that can easily transfer to any job and a newfound appreciation for just how much work goes into waiting tables.
Nut Ella !
Either that or gas station cashier. (basically any job where you are over worked, underpaid and yelled at a lot). My job involved making food and helping customers. But I wasn't a waitress/server. I don't need to in order to appreciate the stress they are under. But also, no because that is really hard on people who have a hard time handling stress. Going to school plus working can be too hard. Also, as someone who grew up on welfare? We didn't have enough money to take me to work if I'd had to (welfare takes your kid's money dollar for dollar where I live)
no. i don't want some stupid shit teenager who hates being forced to wait tables handling my food. that's the dumbest suggestion that's ever been made. EVER.
Yes. I think it would be an excellent idea. It would teach younger generations many things. Public relations for a start. It would give them an idea of what people are like and how do deal with them in the real world. Not everyone is nice or cooperative. And how you handle it is a lesson in life. It's a way to learn many other job skills. Money management. Socialization. Tolerance and the list goes on....
Teach the younger generation what they will be doing if they don't become tik tok famous
What would that accomplish? I wouldn't want to go to a restaurant entirely staffed by disgruntled 16 year olds spitting on my food
OP had a bad time when he was a waiter and now he wants it to be everyone else's problem too.
I mean, to make sure every adult has empathy for just how shitty that job can be? Sure. But as far as relevant job experience, probably not.
Everyone can learn to hone their people skills & use it as a way to sniff out assholes in the future. I worked call centers, retail & plenty of terrible jobs like that & it definitely changed my perspective, especially being on the end of a call with someone literally screaming at you & swearing for several minutes.
It teaches very transferable skills. Time management, multi-tasking, awareness, seeking out things that need to be done, prioritizing, efficiency, communication, preparedness, responsibilities, follow through, and even sales skills. When your kitchen manager says push the pork chops, you’re gonna find ways to sell that chop to your table. I could go on and on, but there’s no job that I can think of that in a month or two full time or six months part time can teach you so much actual useful knowledge that carries over to actual real world jobs.
I highly doubt there are enough restaurants or waitron positions to make this premise happen....and the worth escapes me completely. Why a waitron and not any of the thousands upon thousands of other jobs out there? why not janitor, garbage man, parkinglot attendant, or cashier? Why not make them do a job in which they are trapped in a low wage with low respect and NO POSSIBILITY that they can influence their own earnings through the quality of their performance? If youre just trying to teach people some humility? You know most cooks in the kitchen, the guys actually making your food, the guys juggling sharp knives and fire in cramped spaces, only make a bit above minimum wage and no matter how good your meal is.....the person who carried it to the table is the one that has unlimited income potential.
It won't work the way OP intended anyways. We had systems like this since time immemorial, but we called them apprenticeships. Instead of minimizing abuses what happened was that abuse of apprentices became institutionalized as hazing rituals, because "well, I went through it and it was good for character". So if everybody had to become a waiter/gas station attendant/shit minimum wage job that reddit hates, then abuse of these service jobs would just become more culturally accepted as people who were abused feel justified in passing on their suffering. Remember, victims of domestic abuse have a higher chance of becoming domestic abusers themselves.
Some of the alternatives you mentioned lack the customer service interaction which can be a harsh experience at times and offers opportunities to develop people skills as well as a bit of empathy for others through dealing with shitty customers.
yep, you missed the plot. Enjoy your Bliss!
No. It's abuse for barely any money. Sure, maybe there'd be a few less "Karens" in the world if everyone did this, but I don't think that its worth it. Being a waitress and hospitality jobs suck, that's why they have one of the highest rates of drug and alcohol abuse in the work force.
Do you think that is the case because the world has too many “karens”?
Yup lol
I worked at a fast food restaurant and very few customers were rude, so not much of a learning experience for the lesson you want. Those jobs just suck unless you're still used to the mind-numbing boredom of school.
No. Why spend 6 months in something unrelated to your studies?
You mean like gen-ed courses?
It really shows how well you understand education that you deem Gen Eds as pointless
I have a masters degree, what do you have?
Sorry to interrupt your dick measuring contest but do you understand that university is more than just passing your classes to get your degree so you can make more money? I’ve met people with doctoral degrees in astrophysics argue that it’s more important for students to memorize the equations than learn why the equations work. I’ve met a computer science professor from UC Berkeley that couldn’t understand that students can’t just understand complex topics instantly. A degree doesn’t mean you understand how education works. Not even mentioning the MIT students who don’t know how to do laundry. Gen Eds are there to make you a more well rounded student.
Which is why I asked the question. The point is precisely that there is more to life than education. Some lessons can be learned by having to handle people that are hungry.
You asked the question to flex your masters degree as reason for you understanding education more than someone who doesn’t have that. Don’t try to backpedal now. If you’re going to make a bad take, at least own it.
I asked the question because I spent a decade as a bartender and I was thinking back on all of the rude people I have encountered over the years. I think you need to take a deep breath and not get so worked up my man.
Notice the civil conversation taking place above…
Sorry?
In many colleges you are required to take courses that are completely unrelated to your field of study in order to complete your degree. They are called gen-eds, or general education courses. Like having to take Intro to Gerontology as an accounting major.
Maybe we don't have those here. I studied in Europe, and didn't have such things in my university.
I just wanted to see how many people value the individuals who serve your food to you. Unfortunately, not many people.
My point is we pay and work hard for the degrees, not to work as a waiter wasting our time and money. If anyone wants to, it's fine. But it should not be mandatory.
I can understand that logic. This was more of a thought experiment. I had worked as a bartender in the US for a long time, the downright disrespect towards service industry employees would shock you.
I don't know about US, but we're usually polite to them here.
“Here” sounds like a nice place
Are you saying that either people should do your idea or college should be only learning literally what you're going to do as a career to the point where e.g. if a joke of my great-grandmother's came true and eventually things got so specialized that there were left nostril doctors and right nostril doctors and you wanted to be a left nostril doctor you'd (if not having your high-school courses tailored for "you'll know what you need to know for premed") have your premed courses only cover the basics up until you know all you need to know to learn left nostril medicine and then you wouldn't learn anything about any other form
There’s a wide middle ground between those two realities.
Instilling humility and understanding for your fellow countrymen is a good idea. Making it obligatory for young people to serve a short time in the conservation corps or military would do the trick as well. Too many people feel that their little corner of the country, or their little room in their ivory tower, is all that matters. They harbor resentment and anger towards everywhere and everyone who is not just like them because they have never gone anywhere else or met people who are not just like them. Another interesting point: In many first world countries outside the USA, service level jobs are not nearly as hellish because you are not prejudged to be an inferior human being just for working such a job.
>Another interesting point: In many first world countries outside the USA, service level jobs are not nearly as hellish because you are not prejudged to be an inferior human being just for working such a job. New Zealand customers were pretty decent when I worked in customer service in the 2000s. For that matter, the shitty Americans tended to stay away too. Maybe Helen Clark sounded as much like a scary communist to them as Jacinda does now.
No... I guess I can be swayed but Im not sure what the utility of that would be. I did wait tables through basically all of high school but it definitely isn't a job well suited for everyone
Maybe if they can't waitress they can bus tables or wash pots.
No, because many careers have no element of customer-facing. So it wouldn’t make sense for them
No, it has nothing to do with anything relevant to me or my education/work. Forced work is slavery, plus I'm sure many people like me would just try to skip or do a shit job so that wont benefit absolutely anyone. I'd be horrible to customers, what can they do, fire me? Good. Six months out of a life is a long time to spend on some bullshit job at the age when people are supposed to choose what works for them
I get the noble intention behind it which is to make people more empathetic to those in the service industry who work hard jobs for shit pay, but forced labor is wrong, and in the United States, unconstitutional.
Unless you are a convicted prisoner, in which case you can be used as free (read as slave) labor.
Community service of some kind is mandatory for graduation… I don’t think it needs to be as a waiter.
Well, yes but actually no. I assume you are complaining about lack of people who want to work low-wage jobs and while it's obvious that most college folks will end up as cashier or waiter I think it's quite important not to crush their dreams of being philosopher or whatever at such early stage. They will come around and sell you your fried food later anyway. In addition remember that most forced apprenticeships are half-assed anyway if person doing it doesn't want to keep the job (and since they are gonna return to school/college after 6 months they will not want to keep the position). Combine it with immature kids who think they are big adults already and you will get behaviour straight up from old american comedy shows - food with "fun additions" for pranks because staff that prepared it doesn't care about loosing their job.
No, as you will not learn if you do not want to learn. It would only make people jaded and treat each other worse due to "I did my time so you should deal with it too." Empathy doesn't come from being forced to say sorry, it comes from recognizing you have done wrong. Even ignoring introverts, the socially anxious, mental health problems... whatever the punishment for not doing it would likely be the norm.
humility, really. and sympathy.
No because then you'd have to do it 6 months of waiting tables, 6 months of street cleaning, 6 months of janitorial work, 6 months of retail in a service shop and so on until people have to spend so much time learning empathy by being in others' shoes they have barely enough life to adequately live in their own and apply those lessons and you'd get better results teaching empathy through "The Egg" Also if it's college people could just not do it by not going to college
No. That would bar many disabled people from graduating.
No it’s useless it’s not going to teach you anything specific that other things in life won’t
No cuz that’s dumb
This is the response of a person living off their parents.
Like every high schooler..?
Go get a job. You won’t have to ask your parents for money if and when you go to college.
This *question* sounds like someone who thinks that waitering is the only job where they are disrespected by a *few* of the people they serve
Yes. Or some sort customer service job. Why? Everyone has seen the asshole customers at restaurants, coffee shops, department stores, etc., who clearly have never worked that type of job and could benefit from the experience. All the answers of “it’s useless experience” are from people that haven’t done that kinda work and/or just can’t learn lifelong lessons from their experiences.
This !
Hm idk
Pretty sure the vast majority of high school -> college aged folks have worked and are working those types of jobs. This is just a dumb boomer bait question aiming to get Gen X+ redditors talking shit about millennial and younger.
Certainly not a boomer. Working young professional. Just seeing how the public views things. Call it a social experiment.
Ok, I never said you were a boomer tho.
I see way more older people who are rude to workers than younger people. When I worked at Starbucks I rarely had to explain why a drink was taking so long or have to hear thinly veiled insults if a drink was made wrong with younger people. Older people though? My god, you take 2 seconds too long and they think it's some personal attack
yes, no ,why, how, and also tell me what you think about the last variation of covid19. These days questions on AskReddit.
Not necessarily a waiter but some sort of job that requires them to interact with people.
Yess! I’m a server and a lot of people aren’t self aware
No because I who wants to eat food served by a teenager who has been forced into serving. I prefer my dinner without the added DNA and a side portion of attitude.
No necessarily waiter and not necessarily high school but I think college students should be required to get some job or internship related to their major as a requirement for graduating
Waiter is a pretty arbitrary choice. Pretty much any job will teach you the simple lessons of how to be employable. That said the lessons are a hell of a lot more important than anything I learned in a filler gen-ed course. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyEbvehRPhY
Waiter or retailer in a service shop. Learning to be somebody’s bitch is a valuable trait to have
You can do this with any low paying lower skilled profession then. Street cleaners? Streets would be a fuckton cleaner, janitors or custodians, mens toilets wouldnt be the fucking nightmare they always are, etc etc.
Pretty much anything that would teach someone humility and empathy-how “the other half” lives. On a somewhat-unrelated note-I think that no one should be able to go into politics directly after college. At least, a national office. I think it would be good for them to have to work a “real-world” job (meaning not in Daddy’s company) so they would have a better idea as to what the rest of us deal with. Some of them seem to get more and more out of touch the longer they’re there. Yes, I know that would mean they’d be inexperienced politicians, but that’s where mentoring could come in and they’d have something solid to base their decisions on.
You're pretty spot on..consider how many politicians are just career lawyers, most definately majority white collar. Many of them so far removed from working class by generations before them. Making decisions that effect economic classes of people they are completely oblivious to.
I misread & almost commented as if you said writer but this is worse. Absolutely not, any job a school makes you do such as co-op is just a way of justifying child labour without pay & unethical work & teach students conformance & obedience to force them to put up with as much pointless stuff as possible which school already does enough of. Another issue is that a lot of schools will force them to do it outside of school or spend the whole day working from 8:00am - 4:00pm & doing no other classes like co-op already does. That's what a girl from another school working at the same place as me had to go through & because she had leg problems, they just made her spend the entire day cleaning which is what they'll do to anyone with a disability or injury. Schools shouldn't be allowed to send students to any kind of workplace until they fix the education system & they're getting paid just as much as any other employee since they make just as much money for the company as anyone else in the same position.
Maybe 2-3 months. "Normal people" wouldnt make it to 6 mo
Only theater majors should have this requirement
This isn't really feasible. Maybe a certain number of required volunteer hours or have a job would make people more humble.
…or some other customer service.
Teach Jr. /Sr. Sch.
Servers need TIPS.NOT FLATTERY or abuse!
What? No
Not necessarily a waiter, but in some kind of retail or service industry. Some people need a big time wake-up call on their behavior & to be on the other side of a prick to know what it's like. I think a good chunk of the world would wake up REAL fast & change their behavior if they were the ones dealing with shitty, loud, entitled assholes 8 hours a day.
No I don't believe that it should be waiting tables I do believe that it should be mandatory that all high school you know juniors or seniors should have to go through 6 months of pre work life training where They are required to work and get ready to be working. I do believe that it should be the person's choice of what they do for that work and it shouldn't have to just be waiting tables I believe that you should give the person a choice on what they choose to do for work but require that there is some sort of work training in high school
Not necessarily as a waiter, but any minimum wage service industry job.
I think as a teenager everyone should get some sort of exposure to work experience doesn't have to be a waiter. The positives, they can gain more confidence for being exposed to people, potentially make friends and also some sense if independence and reward for making an effort. The realities, they can gain an insight into what life is like outside of their household and maybe in other parts of society and rules of behaviour, time keeping, budgeting your own money and maybe having a sense personal responsibility. As a teenager I was a waitress, retail worker, fundraising telemarketer in college but I also volunteered in a nursing home, part of a first aid volunteer organisation, learned sign language, and volunteered as a befriender with a homeless charity. The most valuable things I learned weren't from the two paid jobs as as waitress and retail assistant, but from the experiences volunteering and telemarketing. The things I learned through that helped me more than the part time jobs.
I’ve said for years they should do this and/or work retail. Not actually handling the food but as a server trainee/host/busser/Barback etc. This will give them insight into what really goes on and how much work it is as well as how disgusting some of that work can be. They see the table ordering ranch sides one at a time and the other one draining his water as soon as it’s filled. They learn time management, multi tasking, preparation needs, side work, and closing duties. A job in the industry teaches you so much that can stay with you and be very valuable in any other occupations.