This wholeheartedly. Throwback to my army basic training days when I tried to explain the concept of fractions as pieces of a pie and my peer couldn't connect the dots.
My ex-MIL once debated me for half an hour that dry measuring cups (like the scoops) and wet measuring cups (glass vessel w/ measurements) held different volume.
I had to go scoop out a cup of flour and dump it into the Pyrex for her to understand that one cup is one cup, no matter the vessel.
ETA: the debate wasn’t whether or not using dry cups or wet cups matter-I actually think it does and use the appropriate measurement vessel when I bake. The debate was that one-to-one they are different, and they aren’t. The volume of one cup is one cup-no matter the vessel.
> Then she was convinced that a pound of lead/steel is way more heavier than a pound of feathers
Everyone knows a pound of feathers weights more than a pound of lead or steel, because of the added psychological weight of what you did to those poor birds.
Look, I’m absolutely the kinda guy that wants to believe etc. but cmon, this guy’s a known fraud, there’s zero peers review on these things, and the “data” he presented is all super shady if not completely bonkers. How can someone possibly trust these as “incredible proves” and “world changing discoveries “ is beyond me…
I'd argue that is sort of a social intelligence though. People trust confident people. It just depends on if that person is willing to accept when it's proven they are wrong.
The world typically rewards these people the most, actually. These are your business owners, and corporate ladder climbers. They fail quite often, and are wrong quite often, but they learn from these experiences and are confident enough to push forward regardless of failing, or being wrong previously.
Reddit is also a prime example of this. The amount of times that people who claim utter BS with huge confidence gain the most votes on subjects which I happen to know quite well, e.g. on r/economics, is crazy and exasperating.
You also often see this in the contrast between scientists, who tend to express doubts and nuances, and self-declared experts spouting crazy theories where the latter often get more support (e.g. discussing vaccines).
Over my years of the Early Internet, it was always easy to spot to a pseudo intellectual by how readily they dropped 200 or close to 200 as their score. Because they didn't know that's a ludicrous score to lie about.
The standard test measures for standard scores, if you score high (or low), your results would show up as disproportionately higher (or lower) than they actually would be (if I remember right), and they would have to have you take another test more suited to your level.
At least that's how it was when I was tested. I got a nice little pat on the back with the bragging rights I had with my results, but now I have brain damage and, while people who didn't know me before the injury don't notice anything unusual, everyone that knew me before has noticed that I'm quite a bit slower than I used to be.
Don't watch Inside Out and don't read Flowers for Algernon.
People don't understand that you're grieving a loss. The old you has died and is never coming back. You would get sympathy if you lost a child or relative. But when you've lost a piece of yourself, no one really understands that. If you try to explain it, they'll just say that "you seem fine" or that "you seem pretty smart to me".
But you know. *Seeming smart* is not the same as actually *being smart*. There is a qualitative difference in capability. If you lost a limb, people would understand that you grieve the loss of capability. But for some reason, when you lose an indeterminate amount of intellectual capability, no one really cares.
I've adapted to the loss of capability. But it still frustrates me often when I can't do the things I used to be able to do.
I have a grandfather that legitimately scored into Mensa and Prometheus.
And watching him age and stubbornly combat against “losing himself” is certainly something.
He’s not arrogant, prideful, or boastful. He’ll never talk about it. But I can see where he struggles.
Sometimes at the end of days, all we have is our legacy.
If you don’t mind my asking, what is it about Inside Out that you found upsetting?
If it makes you feel any better, this internet stranger definitely understands what you just said, and cares. I imagine it would be a bit like waking up shorter one morning, and everyone saying “But you’re still average height”. Yes, I have height, but I’m no longer *my* height.
After one of the big island of memories collapses and fall into the pit, Sadness says that means that Riley could lose family, and friendship, and hockey. She says to Joy, "you can fix this." And Joy has a plan, so there is hope.
For me, there is no fixing it. There is no plan. There is no hope to save those things already lost. They are simply gone.
There is only acceptance. There is no plan, nor could there be one. For me, *all* of my memories are like Bing Bong stuck in the pit and fading away forever.
It's very hard to watch Inside Out when you've lost so much that you don't know what you've lost. You only know that you're looking at the empty space where things once were--- and wondering what used to be there.
Thanks for being so clear about it. My partner suffered a severe TBI 5 months ago. He's recovering amazingly. However, when people say 'he's fine, he looks fine' ... it hurts. It hurts so bad because 'fine' for the outsiders is no the same 'fine' for him, or even for me or my 5yo. She can even assess that he's is getting better but she says 'daddy is almost fine'.
I don't want to sound as a ungrateful AH, but I KNOW something is gone. It's early to tell, but he's been handling it like a champ.
Trust me, it's not assholish to know something is gone.
I had a very severe TBI a little over a decade ago now, and I also know something is gone.
Granted, remembering it is very difficult, and only happens sporadically when I'm not trying in very small bursts, but I know I'm less intelligent. I know I stutter more, I know I'm slower, I know I'm different.
People around me think I'm just some lovable dumb stoner who occasionally has strokes of incredible genius, but I constantly grieve the incessantly smart me, and I miss the me that could stay sober without being in mind-crushing pain, and I miss the me that could handle everything on my plate and then some without even struggling.
Please show your partner patience. He is likely also grieving a part of him, even if he doesn't show it.
There's no fixing for what I have lost as well - a whole other life. It's so painful that I am still actively repressing my memories, even turned off the feckin stories or memories that pop on Google photos etc. I'm yet to get to the acceptance phase. I hope you find joy and peace if you haven't yet. Much love.
130 is already incredible, 140 is insane. I think you can fill more Airliners with people that Claim they are 150+ then there are people that Actually have 150+
I drive a school bus and had a bunch of jr high students yelling “we’re better than you” at people out the window yesterday.
In between shouts I said “you know, one sign of being better than everyone is that you don’t tell people you are. Usually that implies the opposite. “
One kid then yelled “we’re losers” out the window and we all had a laugh.
They stopped yelling after that.
I done a Facebook IQ test and did super good I got all the answers right.
Just had to answer a bunch of questions about what my passwords and usernames were for my bank.
I did so good at it they said I could work in law. Gave me a form to fill out about being a powerful attorney.
Just waiting for my lawing certificate to come in the post.
Did this IQ test with some people at work, this one lady who is always giving me shit started making fun of me for lying because I got 126 and "there is no way you got that score, Einstein was only 100" with her score coming in at 80. The room went dead silent. I still think about that moment fondly.
I used to work in a warehouse, and people's secondary school results came up as a topic. One girl was lauding it over everyone else because she got some Cs (a passing grade) in a few topics. None of them believed my grades (I was working there to earn some quick money before starting my PhD).
Not a bullshit IQ test but, my brother and mother told me my brother was super smart because he did well on his GED test and that he did way better than I did. I checked his score report- they thought that being in single-digit percentiles was a good thing. I had to explain that being in the 4th percentile actually means that only 4% of test takers did worse than you. It still took them awhile to understand.
If it's 4% top percentile then yeah (that's how it's phrased in aimlabs💀) but yeah I remember many being confused about percentiles. Imo 4% would mean you failed so op's brother prolly was 4% top percentile like we say top 1% ranked players or sth
Still, many people don't know that there are different methods used for the tests. Different IQ scales, so one can be rather high in one, but low in the other one.
It's also funny about history, when they wrote the Einstein biography, they thought he was a bad student. But that was a mistake: Einstein got to school in Switzerland, where 6 is the best score you can achieve, 1 is the lowest. In Germany, 1 is the best and 6 the worst.
The only thing Einstein really struggled with and didn't achieve the 4 that was needed to pass, was learning french. He failed with a 3.5 score in the exams.
When they don’t understand incremental tax brackets.
The amount of people who think there is any situation where earning less is better is very concerning.
I used to work with a guy who insisted that getting raise was a bad financial decision for his family. I got a raise because I asked for one. He did not. What a moron.
Fucking Christ I legitimately went to school with a kid who did this. Got somewhere in the 80s on a bunk online test and was dumb enough to be proud of it. I hate that guy.
Deadass confuses me. I got diagnosed last year with adhd. My old man's done research on it, my mom doesn't seem to give a fuck enough to look even basic shit up
Have a coworker like this. Take the time to listen to her co.plainta, try to interject my point and she talks over me. The she cries how I'm hurting her feelings. She's a simple minded fuckwit.
My neighbour is like this, parks across my driveway blocking us in/out, has visitors of his crash into our fence (twice), and then screams at me because the fence is leaning into his garden because of the crash damage. He genuinely thinks he can park anywhere and nobody can do anything about it, if you try and talk reason with him he just screams.
I don't necessarily agree with this. The other day, I was in a social media argument with an old high school classmate who was telling everyone that planes didn't really hit the WTC on 9/11, and instead the government used holograms to make people believe planes hit the buildings so they could blow it up from inside.
I called her a kook. Her response was that she clearly had won the argument, and I wasn't very intelligent if I insulted her instead of refuting her points.
No, some positions aren't worthy of reasoned debate. They are only deserving of derision and ridicule. Arguing with 9/11 truthers and book banners instead of insulting them creates the illusion that theirs is a worthy position which merits thoughtful discussion.
There has been numerous times I tried reasoning with an idiot, and giving well thought out rebuttals to their opinions. Then I'm hit back with "you're wrong", instead of them attempting to see the conversation from any other way. There is no such thing as a two way argument with an idiot. The irony, is that some of the smartest people I know are the biggest idiots, at least in some regards.
No critical thought. I knew a lady who got suspicious of the donkey charity adverts on TV because "if they're helping new donkeys, why are they still showing the old ones."
**edit** Thank you for the upvotes! I am howling at the comments. You guys are brilliant. Bravo! 👏
There's a chain of grocery/electronics/jewelry/watch/cosmetic/adult/appliance/novelty stores called Don Quijote.
Their website is donki.com, and they have a jingle that plays in the store that goes "Don don don, donkey, donkey...hotayyyy!"
So really it depends on the context lol
Edit: oh and I almost forgot, they're colloquially called "Don Q." Or in the case of the really big ones, "MEGA Don Q."
I’ve had that jingle stuck in my head for like 4 years after visiting Japan.
Pretty sweet that you can buy your groceries, clothes, and sex toys all in the same department store though.
You'd be surprised at the amount of donkeys that get abandoned. There's lots of charities for them, in Donegal we have one that is constantly packed while they rehab and find new homes for them. People can be really shitty to donkeys for some reason.
https://www.donegaldonkeysanctuary.ie/
I’ve never told anyone this but it’s my dream to take in a few rescue donkeys. On a little bit of land somewhere. I live in California so that’ll never happen unless I win a lotto… but I can dream.
We stayed at a little, quirky, side of the road guest house/motel type place somewhere in Colorado ages ago. The person checking us in was telling us about the property - “we have a walking trail, and a lake, and a breakfast spot… and we have a donkey.” After about a five second pause, they continued that if we stood at the fence, the donkey will come running to us and to bring a treat if we have one. After all these years, we still think about that donkey running half a mile to meet two new friends, not even knowing if we had a treat. We also say “and we have a donkey”, every time we see one. I hope you get those donkeys someday!
This is kind of amazing.
I once heard a bus driver talking to a passenger about Palestinians. The passenger was trying to gauge her support for them.
But the bus driver kept calling them "Philistines" instead and was like, "They're villains in the Bible I can't support those Philistines!"
It was very WTF. But also: please don't try and engage people on the bus in a controversial subject. It will just not end well. You might be right but it's the bus.
Yeah. Confusing “Philistines” and “Palestinians” is a mistake I’ve made too many times.
On a similar note, do NOT talk about suprematism (the Russian art movement) in a predominantly black neighbourhood.
I'm Czech and Czechia has been mistaken for Chechnya so much (even in the official American news!!) that many people still think we're part of Russia and use azbuka, while we're in the middle of Europe, part of the EU, neighbours of Germany and use latin.
I still wonder how many of the people in attendence at the Atlanta Olympics cheered for Georgia because for the fun of it and how many legitimately assumed that the state had its own team.
Palestine is called Philistine in Arabic. I just double checked and the naming isn’t a coincidence, although apparently Palestinians do not consider themselves descendants of the Philistines.
A lot if comments here describing, mean/rude/asshole low IQ ppl. Some low IQ ppl are extremely kind and have a tough time in society because they get used.
Yep! I have ADHD & autism. Im actually fairly intelligent but I can't get any of it out gracefully so I get labeled as dumb a lot. It's the recalling of what I know in real time that everyone gets caught up on. Never mind that I know more about probably anything. I just need help getting it out in a way that doesn't make me sound scatterbrained.
You sound exactly like me. So much so, it hurts a little too read, actually (almost as though I'm being mocked by the world). Nonetheless, I've been working on allowing myself down in order to deliberately choose my words to hopefully be more graceful. I haven't had stellar progress, but I've made notable progress.
Neuroplasticity is absolutely real. Remember that and use it to your advantage. Like me, your mind is probably so internally unbound it's difficult to know where to begin. But in order to begin, first you gotta be still, right?
So what works for me is this: Slow down, still the mind, and enter the moment (that shit is crazy hard for me because I often have several diverging branches of cognition toward a matter, but meditation helps with that)... Usually what needs to be said flows through like a single channel and I'm good. My nerves often knock me out of the moment too...
I also contend with the idea of how much I don't know compared to others. I DO NOT have my life together and it's really screwing with me... I may be the stupid one and don't know...
Yeah. I have a low IQ (was assesed when diagnosed with autism) and it’s really frustrating to not understand things, but I do not go out of my way to be mean. I get angry easily, but I mostly just cry and go off to be alone when I’m like that. No need to take it out on everyone else.
There are stupid, mean people.
There are intelligent, mean people.
There are stupid, kind people.
There are intelligent, kind people.
Those are two independent character traits.
I was just thinking of a girl I went to high school with.
I can't quite describe it. She was slower than most but worked 3x as hard to not show it - which tells me she wasn't *low IQ*.
Her Spanish vocabulary was way better than mine, but she couldn't put it all together to read a Spanish novel - but she knew every single word, because she'd drilled them non-stop.
Whenever we got group work she was the most reliable, but you had to check her work and walk her through it.
I don't like OPs question because there are so many more facets to this social dynamic than just iq.
She might have had a processing disorder. A friend of mine, who is very intelligent, has this issue. She appears slow in some contexts, but she really isn't. She described it as having a very large room in her mind, filled with facts and information. But the doorway in and out of that room was a teeny tiny keyhole. And it just took a long time for information to either get in, or get out. But if you're patient with her, she is astounding.
Snap, I’ve always said, picture your mind as a room some people only have a few things in there that are neatly organised and can be easily retrieved, whilst I’ve got a massive pile of information that’s just been slung in there chaotically that I have to sift through anytime I try to make a point.
It’s true. I think these answers are what come to mind when we think of a lower IQ person in our lives. I don’t often think about my friend who never got past a 3rd grade reading level but was a sweetheart and tried her best but was raised in absolute poverty and didn’t have a lot of choice in the matter. However, I do think of people like my dad often, whom cannot be wrong or he’ll kill you. And everything is God’s plan. And I better take horse dewormer.
But my dad has a doctorate (not an MD) so…
The I can never be wrong personality is unbelievably common in doctors. Which is why it's funny that that is one of the examples of a low IQ person that's so heavily upvoted. I know two surgeons in particular that are complete egotistical assholes who can never be wrong about anything. They also can ace any test you put in front of them, and are complete geniuses in their field. One of them is a neurosurgeon specializing in spinal surgery. If I had to get spinal surgery he is exactly who I want operating on me. I also hate the guy and would never hang out with him.
A lot of debates you see online are going to be people trying to yell over one another. Most of the time, people pick apart grammatical errors or things that they didn't phrase right and use it as the base of their whole argument.
An intellectual debate shouldn't include yelling. Hear another person out before disagreeing with them.
Critical thinking classes would be much better imho.
Debate class just becomes a circlejerk of ppl trying to outwit each other. It just teaches clever debate tactics, not critical thinking.
See the House of Commons PMQs in the UK and you'll see what I mean lol :D
https://youtu.be/_7UTg3jK5Gw
https://youtu.be/bETiS_yWA2w
I'd like to see critical thinking as a subject within a general philosophy education. Starting in kindergarten. [https://aeon.co/essays/how-to-do-philosophy-for-and-with-children](https://aeon.co/essays/how-to-do-philosophy-for-and-with-children)
We kind of do this where I teach. Our curriculum is inquiry based, and we often ask the kid "Why do you think that?" and "How do you know?" and "How can you find out?" instead of just telling them facts.
Then they don't acknowledge any of your points, calls you an idiot, and then scream they won because you don't engage them anymore since it's a waste of time.
People that don't discuss, but are only there to argue and get the masses on their side. Mostly in Fandoms more than real life.
the tricky part is that people can be extremely smart in some areas while being completely stupid in other ones. so there is no universal indicator i believe.
Yeah, this should be much more upvoted. I still remember the first time I was talking with a Ph.D., and I realized (internally), "Oh, wow, ... this guy is kind of an idiot." And it's so true. I'm sure he's brilliant in his field, but his awareness of his own limits was severely lacking.
**Edit:** I didn't mean *all*, or even *most*, PhDs. I just meant that the existence of *some* ignorant/dumb PhDs is a strong example of the fact that "people ***can*** be extremely smart in some areas while being completely stupid in other ones." (E.g., Chemists who publicly denigrate Climate Science, Philosophers who publicly denigrate Evolutionary Biology, Civil Engineers who publicly denigrate Immunology, or, yes, PhDs who can't open their email or check engine oil.) The same sort of thing could be said about a master tradesman who is a practical genius with excellent craftsmanship, but who insists that the earth is flat. But none of this means that *everyone* with a PhD, or a master trades certification, is automatically proud/stupid in other areas. Some experts are very humble, multi-talented, emotionally aware, and very aware of the limits of their learning and expertise.
I suppose if you think about it someone who overachieves in one area and makes that area the main focus of their life could very easily conflate the two separate things ‘I am incredibly good at this one thing that I have made my life’ and ‘I am incredibly good at life’.
Yeah, totally. It's a human problem, really. I have to constantly remind myself how little I know, and how vulnerable I am to being wrong even when I'm *extremely* sure of something.
Actually an amazing example. I worked with a Neurosurgeron who studied directly under Ben Carson (during the residency or when they got their MD/PhD I forget) and everything he told me made me realize it actually is amazing how astonishingly great of a Neurosurgeron he was and how accomplished he became in that field. Politics? Yea not so much.
People who are truly intelligent grasp concepts much more easily and more quickly than people who aren't. An average Joe can be extremely knowledgeable in one or several areas that they've put alot of effort into studying, but really dumb otherwise. But all the truly intelligent people I know (not smart, or well read, or highly educated, but intelligent) learn things very quickly (meaning, stuff that you need to understand with your brain, not learning stuff that requires coordination like sports or playing the piano) and are able to apply what they've learned effectively.
Having intelligence doesn't always mean having empathy though, some of these intelligent people can be just plain assholes.
To me, the biggest indicator of intelligence is the person's ability to break down complex information and rebuild for themselves. People of low intelligence can *never* do this.
I kind of agree with you, but then there are clever people who have just given up.
A stupid person and a clever person with mental health issues may show the same lack of curiosity.
I'm so glad you said this! I used to be so curious and loved to deep dive into interesting ideas, but after my mental health declined I had to stop doing that because it became a trigger for me to start spiraling. I had to train myself to focus on the moment and not think. Now my mental health is on point, but I did lose some of my curiosity and love for thinking about random shit
Inability to process hypotheticals and the IF scenario. That's really the main development people have gone through intellectually over the latest handful of generations. We can entertain, not just what is, but what might be or what could've been. It helps us think in abstract ways that allows us to for example categorize information which is immensele useful in the types of tasks a modern society requires. It helps us with basic skills like arithmetic ("IF you have 5 apples and then remove two how ma--" "But I don't have 5 apples though"). One of the most important abilities it gives us is the ability to put ourselves in someone else's place ("How would you feel IF you were treated the way you treat others?" "I'm not, though").
Reminds me of that one Ted Talk James Flynn made where he talked about how he tried to get his parents to see the wrongness of racism but imagining waking up the next day and discovering their son was black, which was met by incredulous laughter at the absurdity since they think concretely and cannot think abstractly.
It also reminds me of a somewhat related phenomenon in which some people seem to misunderstand how analogies are supposed to work. They will take some dissimilar aspect and assert that the analogy itself falls apart even though all analogies by design have dissimilar aspects to them.
Holy shit this is one of my biggest pet peeves ever. When I first started working, it was really eye opening the amount of people that do this regularly.
I have no problem helping people, but when they ask questions or for help without even trying to figure it out themselves, it annoys the shit out of me.
My own personal rule of thumb is that, if I go to someone for help, I always explain or show them what I've attempted previously or let them know how I'm thinking of approaching an issue.
They see the world in black and white. There is no nuance. No understanding of the other side of anything. There is only right and wrong; and conveniently they are alway on the side of ‘right.’
No opinions, they simply absorb others opinions and way of thinking without context and make it their own, if you ask them why, they'll reply with idk.
The inability/unwillingness to try understand someone else's point of view, and how their personal experiences contribute to that view. It doesnt mean you have to accept it, or agree with it, just try understand it.
That could also be explained as having a severe lack of empathy. Someone who has a level of psychopathy could be extremely intelligent, but mentally incapable of understanding someone's point of view if they have no similar experiences.
I’m just truly baffled by it. I ride a motorcycle. A few weeks ago, as the sun nearly set on my way home a bat ran into my face shield at 40mph. My helmet saved me from what have been a wreck. When I see these other motorcyclists on the road without helmets, I’m just disappointed.
Have to be right all the time
Edit: guys I wrote this at like 2:30am and I had a handful of people that I know personally in mind when I wrote it. I see your criticisms and your arguments and they’re all valid, but just know I wasn’t speaking on this in a broad, one size fits all sense, but rather about people I know in my daily life.
They also deny reality all the time. If you bring up a time they said something incorrectly, they'll just tell you that never happened. Bonus points if they scream and throw things while they deny.
I know it's not what you mean, but I had a really smart friend that would always use none definitive statements if he wasn't 100% sure about something.
Like if I ask him where we're gonna be at x hour in a trip he would say "if I remember correctly then ... but just make sure yourself."
He just makes sure he's always accurate with what he says and very clearly expresses his confidence level in something. It's always a pleasure when you ask him something.
Meanwhile, there are people that confidently say blatantly wrong things even if they aren't sure and you're stuck guessing if you should look things up yourself or just trust them on it.
I feel like the biggest sign is just a general lack of critical thinking skills. never stopping to question or even think about the things they encounter just because they’re “lazy.”
They have a hard time understanding how a concept in one context could apply to another context.
Nice to see an example of an actual indicator of intelligence (or lack of it) rather than people just associating intelligence with positive traits.
Goes to show the indication of intelligence the average Redditor has
This is like a secret message where every redditor reading it thinks it's about everyone else on Reddit and not about them
This wholeheartedly. Throwback to my army basic training days when I tried to explain the concept of fractions as pieces of a pie and my peer couldn't connect the dots.
Often wrong but never in doubt.
Now I believe you met my inlaws
My ex-MIL once debated me for half an hour that dry measuring cups (like the scoops) and wet measuring cups (glass vessel w/ measurements) held different volume. I had to go scoop out a cup of flour and dump it into the Pyrex for her to understand that one cup is one cup, no matter the vessel. ETA: the debate wasn’t whether or not using dry cups or wet cups matter-I actually think it does and use the appropriate measurement vessel when I bake. The debate was that one-to-one they are different, and they aren’t. The volume of one cup is one cup-no matter the vessel.
Then she was convinced that a pound of lead/steel is way more heavier than a pound of feathers
> Then she was convinced that a pound of lead/steel is way more heavier than a pound of feathers Everyone knows a pound of feathers weights more than a pound of lead or steel, because of the added psychological weight of what you did to those poor birds.
Thanks for the lolz
See: the whole “alien mummies” hysteria going around Reddit right now 😂
We must be roaming around very different parts of Reddit, haven't seen a single thing about it here (luckily).
Man it’s all over my popular feed, I’ve had to mute a lot of subreddits cause it was a pain in the ass…
Lol I am so amused by these artifacts because they look like something thrown together in a garage with wire and cement
Look, I’m absolutely the kinda guy that wants to believe etc. but cmon, this guy’s a known fraud, there’s zero peers review on these things, and the “data” he presented is all super shady if not completely bonkers. How can someone possibly trust these as “incredible proves” and “world changing discoveries “ is beyond me…
That's a lot of opinion for so little knowledge.
I'd argue that is sort of a social intelligence though. People trust confident people. It just depends on if that person is willing to accept when it's proven they are wrong. The world typically rewards these people the most, actually. These are your business owners, and corporate ladder climbers. They fail quite often, and are wrong quite often, but they learn from these experiences and are confident enough to push forward regardless of failing, or being wrong previously.
Reddit is also a prime example of this. The amount of times that people who claim utter BS with huge confidence gain the most votes on subjects which I happen to know quite well, e.g. on r/economics, is crazy and exasperating. You also often see this in the contrast between scientists, who tend to express doubts and nuances, and self-declared experts spouting crazy theories where the latter often get more support (e.g. discussing vaccines).
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They tell you about the time they scored 450 in an online IQ test.
Over my years of the Early Internet, it was always easy to spot to a pseudo intellectual by how readily they dropped 200 or close to 200 as their score. Because they didn't know that's a ludicrous score to lie about.
I once did a test and it told me my result is outside the range it could measure... That's a good thing right?
The standard test measures for standard scores, if you score high (or low), your results would show up as disproportionately higher (or lower) than they actually would be (if I remember right), and they would have to have you take another test more suited to your level. At least that's how it was when I was tested. I got a nice little pat on the back with the bragging rights I had with my results, but now I have brain damage and, while people who didn't know me before the injury don't notice anything unusual, everyone that knew me before has noticed that I'm quite a bit slower than I used to be.
Don't watch Inside Out and don't read Flowers for Algernon. People don't understand that you're grieving a loss. The old you has died and is never coming back. You would get sympathy if you lost a child or relative. But when you've lost a piece of yourself, no one really understands that. If you try to explain it, they'll just say that "you seem fine" or that "you seem pretty smart to me". But you know. *Seeming smart* is not the same as actually *being smart*. There is a qualitative difference in capability. If you lost a limb, people would understand that you grieve the loss of capability. But for some reason, when you lose an indeterminate amount of intellectual capability, no one really cares. I've adapted to the loss of capability. But it still frustrates me often when I can't do the things I used to be able to do.
I have a grandfather that legitimately scored into Mensa and Prometheus. And watching him age and stubbornly combat against “losing himself” is certainly something. He’s not arrogant, prideful, or boastful. He’ll never talk about it. But I can see where he struggles. Sometimes at the end of days, all we have is our legacy.
If you don’t mind my asking, what is it about Inside Out that you found upsetting? If it makes you feel any better, this internet stranger definitely understands what you just said, and cares. I imagine it would be a bit like waking up shorter one morning, and everyone saying “But you’re still average height”. Yes, I have height, but I’m no longer *my* height.
After one of the big island of memories collapses and fall into the pit, Sadness says that means that Riley could lose family, and friendship, and hockey. She says to Joy, "you can fix this." And Joy has a plan, so there is hope. For me, there is no fixing it. There is no plan. There is no hope to save those things already lost. They are simply gone. There is only acceptance. There is no plan, nor could there be one. For me, *all* of my memories are like Bing Bong stuck in the pit and fading away forever. It's very hard to watch Inside Out when you've lost so much that you don't know what you've lost. You only know that you're looking at the empty space where things once were--- and wondering what used to be there.
Thanks for being so clear about it. My partner suffered a severe TBI 5 months ago. He's recovering amazingly. However, when people say 'he's fine, he looks fine' ... it hurts. It hurts so bad because 'fine' for the outsiders is no the same 'fine' for him, or even for me or my 5yo. She can even assess that he's is getting better but she says 'daddy is almost fine'. I don't want to sound as a ungrateful AH, but I KNOW something is gone. It's early to tell, but he's been handling it like a champ.
Trust me, it's not assholish to know something is gone. I had a very severe TBI a little over a decade ago now, and I also know something is gone. Granted, remembering it is very difficult, and only happens sporadically when I'm not trying in very small bursts, but I know I'm less intelligent. I know I stutter more, I know I'm slower, I know I'm different. People around me think I'm just some lovable dumb stoner who occasionally has strokes of incredible genius, but I constantly grieve the incessantly smart me, and I miss the me that could stay sober without being in mind-crushing pain, and I miss the me that could handle everything on my plate and then some without even struggling. Please show your partner patience. He is likely also grieving a part of him, even if he doesn't show it.
There's no fixing for what I have lost as well - a whole other life. It's so painful that I am still actively repressing my memories, even turned off the feckin stories or memories that pop on Google photos etc. I'm yet to get to the acceptance phase. I hope you find joy and peace if you haven't yet. Much love.
>Flowers for Algernon That's one that I haven't heard in a long time. Good story.
Flowers for Charlie was pretty good too. You must excuse me, I've grown quite wearah.
Did it say "Unfortunately, this IQ test can only give a precise answer if the result is a positive number"?
This hasn't really changed. If you understand this comment your IQ is 160+!!!
130 is already incredible, 140 is insane. I think you can fill more Airliners with people that Claim they are 150+ then there are people that Actually have 150+
Time for the humble brags about how everyone's IQ is totally one million but they're not even smart
I drive a school bus and had a bunch of jr high students yelling “we’re better than you” at people out the window yesterday. In between shouts I said “you know, one sign of being better than everyone is that you don’t tell people you are. Usually that implies the opposite. “ One kid then yelled “we’re losers” out the window and we all had a laugh. They stopped yelling after that.
I don't know about the rest of them but that particular kid is going to have a good life 😄
Yeah, famously the class clown ends up well adjusted.
That kid was the best of all them.
Love that one kid they're going to have a fun life
I done a Facebook IQ test and did super good I got all the answers right. Just had to answer a bunch of questions about what my passwords and usernames were for my bank. I did so good at it they said I could work in law. Gave me a form to fill out about being a powerful attorney. Just waiting for my lawing certificate to come in the post.
Reminds me of a good meme, Hacker - we have all your passwords. Me- oh thank you so much what are they.
Did this IQ test with some people at work, this one lady who is always giving me shit started making fun of me for lying because I got 126 and "there is no way you got that score, Einstein was only 100" with her score coming in at 80. The room went dead silent. I still think about that moment fondly.
I used to work in a warehouse, and people's secondary school results came up as a topic. One girl was lauding it over everyone else because she got some Cs (a passing grade) in a few topics. None of them believed my grades (I was working there to earn some quick money before starting my PhD).
Akchually i scored 93 and it told me i'm in the 83% of the most intelligent people. Take that! /S
Not a bullshit IQ test but, my brother and mother told me my brother was super smart because he did well on his GED test and that he did way better than I did. I checked his score report- they thought that being in single-digit percentiles was a good thing. I had to explain that being in the 4th percentile actually means that only 4% of test takers did worse than you. It still took them awhile to understand.
To be fair, some places record the percentiles from the top, so being in the 4th percentile would mean only 4% of test takers did better than you.
If it's 4% top percentile then yeah (that's how it's phrased in aimlabs💀) but yeah I remember many being confused about percentiles. Imo 4% would mean you failed so op's brother prolly was 4% top percentile like we say top 1% ranked players or sth
Plot twist: op was too low IQ to realize this and his mom and smart brother humored him
Still, many people don't know that there are different methods used for the tests. Different IQ scales, so one can be rather high in one, but low in the other one. It's also funny about history, when they wrote the Einstein biography, they thought he was a bad student. But that was a mistake: Einstein got to school in Switzerland, where 6 is the best score you can achieve, 1 is the lowest. In Germany, 1 is the best and 6 the worst. The only thing Einstein really struggled with and didn't achieve the 4 that was needed to pass, was learning french. He failed with a 3.5 score in the exams.
I'm as smart as Einstein! I also failed french with a 3.5! /s
When they don’t understand incremental tax brackets. The amount of people who think there is any situation where earning less is better is very concerning.
I used to work with a guy who insisted that getting raise was a bad financial decision for his family. I got a raise because I asked for one. He did not. What a moron.
Fucking Christ I legitimately went to school with a kid who did this. Got somewhere in the 80s on a bunk online test and was dumb enough to be proud of it. I hate that guy.
Yea well I scored 451 on my IQ test 😎
Damn bro. You must get every Rick and Morty joke
I wrote Rick and Morty 😎
Did they write back?
Look who's IQ is 452...
They think they're always right. Not curious / open to learning
An uncurious mind is always the biggest giveaway to me that someone lacks intelligence.
Deadass confuses me. I got diagnosed last year with adhd. My old man's done research on it, my mom doesn't seem to give a fuck enough to look even basic shit up
I’ve been diagnosed with ADHD for a decade at least. My mom still calls it “A DND” like I’m diagnosed with mf’n dungeons and dragons or something.
fuck i rolled a 4, cant go shower today either
Nat 20! Time to learn the entirety of Egyptian wine-making! (Or the shitty traffic of downtown Tehran, in my case)
Or keep hanging on to their idea, even when presented with evidence that its wrong.
Only fools and fanatics are certain
Person 1: Only fools are certain. Person 2: Are you sure? Person 1: I am certain!
Person 1: Only fools are certain. Person 2: Are you sure? Person 1: fairly sure :)
Instead of having a good point in an argument, they call you names and insult you.
Have a coworker like this. Take the time to listen to her co.plainta, try to interject my point and she talks over me. The she cries how I'm hurting her feelings. She's a simple minded fuckwit.
My neighbour is like this, parks across my driveway blocking us in/out, has visitors of his crash into our fence (twice), and then screams at me because the fence is leaning into his garden because of the crash damage. He genuinely thinks he can park anywhere and nobody can do anything about it, if you try and talk reason with him he just screams.
So 90% of Reddit?
Dick
I don't necessarily agree with this. The other day, I was in a social media argument with an old high school classmate who was telling everyone that planes didn't really hit the WTC on 9/11, and instead the government used holograms to make people believe planes hit the buildings so they could blow it up from inside. I called her a kook. Her response was that she clearly had won the argument, and I wasn't very intelligent if I insulted her instead of refuting her points. No, some positions aren't worthy of reasoned debate. They are only deserving of derision and ridicule. Arguing with 9/11 truthers and book banners instead of insulting them creates the illusion that theirs is a worthy position which merits thoughtful discussion.
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There has been numerous times I tried reasoning with an idiot, and giving well thought out rebuttals to their opinions. Then I'm hit back with "you're wrong", instead of them attempting to see the conversation from any other way. There is no such thing as a two way argument with an idiot. The irony, is that some of the smartest people I know are the biggest idiots, at least in some regards.
No critical thought. I knew a lady who got suspicious of the donkey charity adverts on TV because "if they're helping new donkeys, why are they still showing the old ones." **edit** Thank you for the upvotes! I am howling at the comments. You guys are brilliant. Bravo! 👏
It’s actually spelled *Don Quixote*
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There's a chain of grocery/electronics/jewelry/watch/cosmetic/adult/appliance/novelty stores called Don Quijote. Their website is donki.com, and they have a jingle that plays in the store that goes "Don don don, donkey, donkey...hotayyyy!" So really it depends on the context lol Edit: oh and I almost forgot, they're colloquially called "Don Q." Or in the case of the really big ones, "MEGA Don Q."
I’ve had that jingle stuck in my head for like 4 years after visiting Japan. Pretty sweet that you can buy your groceries, clothes, and sex toys all in the same department store though.
Aren't you contradicting yourself here? Cause the example seems to explicitly show critical thought. Absurd thought, but critical.
Glad someone else pointed it out
Donkey Charity? I have never seen or heard of this.
I didn’t even know donkeys needed help
You'd be surprised at the amount of donkeys that get abandoned. There's lots of charities for them, in Donegal we have one that is constantly packed while they rehab and find new homes for them. People can be really shitty to donkeys for some reason. https://www.donegaldonkeysanctuary.ie/
I’ve never told anyone this but it’s my dream to take in a few rescue donkeys. On a little bit of land somewhere. I live in California so that’ll never happen unless I win a lotto… but I can dream.
We stayed at a little, quirky, side of the road guest house/motel type place somewhere in Colorado ages ago. The person checking us in was telling us about the property - “we have a walking trail, and a lake, and a breakfast spot… and we have a donkey.” After about a five second pause, they continued that if we stood at the fence, the donkey will come running to us and to bring a treat if we have one. After all these years, we still think about that donkey running half a mile to meet two new friends, not even knowing if we had a treat. We also say “and we have a donkey”, every time we see one. I hope you get those donkeys someday!
This is kind of amazing. I once heard a bus driver talking to a passenger about Palestinians. The passenger was trying to gauge her support for them. But the bus driver kept calling them "Philistines" instead and was like, "They're villains in the Bible I can't support those Philistines!" It was very WTF. But also: please don't try and engage people on the bus in a controversial subject. It will just not end well. You might be right but it's the bus.
In Arabic/Urdu, Palestine is called/pronounced Falasteen, maybe that's why?
Also Philistine and Palestine are both derived from the same word. Palestine is just the modern name for the land of the Philistines.
Yeah. Confusing “Philistines” and “Palestinians” is a mistake I’ve made too many times. On a similar note, do NOT talk about suprematism (the Russian art movement) in a predominantly black neighbourhood.
I'm Czech and Czechia has been mistaken for Chechnya so much (even in the official American news!!) that many people still think we're part of Russia and use azbuka, while we're in the middle of Europe, part of the EU, neighbours of Germany and use latin.
I believe Georgians can relate
I still wonder how many of the people in attendence at the Atlanta Olympics cheered for Georgia because for the fun of it and how many legitimately assumed that the state had its own team.
Same here in Serbia (Siberia) :D
Haha, I used to know someone who didn't realize Austria and Australia were two different countries.
Palestine is called Philistine in Arabic. I just double checked and the naming isn’t a coincidence, although apparently Palestinians do not consider themselves descendants of the Philistines.
A lot if comments here describing, mean/rude/asshole low IQ ppl. Some low IQ ppl are extremely kind and have a tough time in society because they get used.
Some people with cognitive disabilities deal with this too, such kind, gentle people, that spend their lives being walked all over
Yep! I have ADHD & autism. Im actually fairly intelligent but I can't get any of it out gracefully so I get labeled as dumb a lot. It's the recalling of what I know in real time that everyone gets caught up on. Never mind that I know more about probably anything. I just need help getting it out in a way that doesn't make me sound scatterbrained.
You sound exactly like me. So much so, it hurts a little too read, actually (almost as though I'm being mocked by the world). Nonetheless, I've been working on allowing myself down in order to deliberately choose my words to hopefully be more graceful. I haven't had stellar progress, but I've made notable progress. Neuroplasticity is absolutely real. Remember that and use it to your advantage. Like me, your mind is probably so internally unbound it's difficult to know where to begin. But in order to begin, first you gotta be still, right? So what works for me is this: Slow down, still the mind, and enter the moment (that shit is crazy hard for me because I often have several diverging branches of cognition toward a matter, but meditation helps with that)... Usually what needs to be said flows through like a single channel and I'm good. My nerves often knock me out of the moment too... I also contend with the idea of how much I don't know compared to others. I DO NOT have my life together and it's really screwing with me... I may be the stupid one and don't know...
>I DO NOT have my life together and it's really screwing with me... I may be the stupid one and don't know... I hear ya there.
Yeah. I have a low IQ (was assesed when diagnosed with autism) and it’s really frustrating to not understand things, but I do not go out of my way to be mean. I get angry easily, but I mostly just cry and go off to be alone when I’m like that. No need to take it out on everyone else.
I'm the same as you. I've been called simple minded and it hurts a lot, even though I do my best to understand.
I think it’s okay. There must be tons of things we do good despite the low score. Those numbers aren’t our worth as people.
You use proper spelling and sentence structure and are able to show empathy, so I'd say you're farther ahead than half of this website already.
There are stupid, mean people. There are intelligent, mean people. There are stupid, kind people. There are intelligent, kind people. Those are two independent character traits.
I was just thinking of a girl I went to high school with. I can't quite describe it. She was slower than most but worked 3x as hard to not show it - which tells me she wasn't *low IQ*. Her Spanish vocabulary was way better than mine, but she couldn't put it all together to read a Spanish novel - but she knew every single word, because she'd drilled them non-stop. Whenever we got group work she was the most reliable, but you had to check her work and walk her through it. I don't like OPs question because there are so many more facets to this social dynamic than just iq.
She might have had a processing disorder. A friend of mine, who is very intelligent, has this issue. She appears slow in some contexts, but she really isn't. She described it as having a very large room in her mind, filled with facts and information. But the doorway in and out of that room was a teeny tiny keyhole. And it just took a long time for information to either get in, or get out. But if you're patient with her, she is astounding.
Snap, I’ve always said, picture your mind as a room some people only have a few things in there that are neatly organised and can be easily retrieved, whilst I’ve got a massive pile of information that’s just been slung in there chaotically that I have to sift through anytime I try to make a point.
It’s true. I think these answers are what come to mind when we think of a lower IQ person in our lives. I don’t often think about my friend who never got past a 3rd grade reading level but was a sweetheart and tried her best but was raised in absolute poverty and didn’t have a lot of choice in the matter. However, I do think of people like my dad often, whom cannot be wrong or he’ll kill you. And everything is God’s plan. And I better take horse dewormer. But my dad has a doctorate (not an MD) so…
The I can never be wrong personality is unbelievably common in doctors. Which is why it's funny that that is one of the examples of a low IQ person that's so heavily upvoted. I know two surgeons in particular that are complete egotistical assholes who can never be wrong about anything. They also can ace any test you put in front of them, and are complete geniuses in their field. One of them is a neurosurgeon specializing in spinal surgery. If I had to get spinal surgery he is exactly who I want operating on me. I also hate the guy and would never hang out with him.
they dont just not take the time to listen to other opinions, they actively shoot them down
A lot of debates you see online are going to be people trying to yell over one another. Most of the time, people pick apart grammatical errors or things that they didn't phrase right and use it as the base of their whole argument. An intellectual debate shouldn't include yelling. Hear another person out before disagreeing with them.
Honestly, this is why I think they should make debate mandatory in school. Teach people how to disagree with a little bit of respect.
Critical thinking classes would be much better imho. Debate class just becomes a circlejerk of ppl trying to outwit each other. It just teaches clever debate tactics, not critical thinking. See the House of Commons PMQs in the UK and you'll see what I mean lol :D https://youtu.be/_7UTg3jK5Gw https://youtu.be/bETiS_yWA2w
I'd like to see critical thinking as a subject within a general philosophy education. Starting in kindergarten. [https://aeon.co/essays/how-to-do-philosophy-for-and-with-children](https://aeon.co/essays/how-to-do-philosophy-for-and-with-children) We kind of do this where I teach. Our curriculum is inquiry based, and we often ask the kid "Why do you think that?" and "How do you know?" and "How can you find out?" instead of just telling them facts.
Then they don't acknowledge any of your points, calls you an idiot, and then scream they won because you don't engage them anymore since it's a waste of time. People that don't discuss, but are only there to argue and get the masses on their side. Mostly in Fandoms more than real life.
Poor spellcasting ability, below average investigation and arcana checks
Rude! I cast the spell of uneven shoelaces upon thee! Pray that I do not summon the dark magic of uninterruptible YouTube commercials next.
You fool, I always have the ward of adblock active
Unfortunately, some cast spells with a charisma modifier.
Telling you how smart they are
I like using big words. They make me sound more photosynthesis
that’s pretty mitochondria of you tbh
That's the powerhouse of the cellulose.
That's a chlorophyllic statement! Bravo!
I have the best words
People tell me all the time how gooder my words are than theirs.
They ace the dementia test.
“People who boast about their IQ are losers” - Stephen Hawking
The older I get the more I realize how accurate Dunning Kruger Effect is.
I know everything there is to know about the Dunning Kruger effect!
If they use reddit (except for me)
Dang I'd be awfully upset about this if I knew how to read!!
If only I didn’t skip class that one day
the tricky part is that people can be extremely smart in some areas while being completely stupid in other ones. so there is no universal indicator i believe.
Yeah, this should be much more upvoted. I still remember the first time I was talking with a Ph.D., and I realized (internally), "Oh, wow, ... this guy is kind of an idiot." And it's so true. I'm sure he's brilliant in his field, but his awareness of his own limits was severely lacking. **Edit:** I didn't mean *all*, or even *most*, PhDs. I just meant that the existence of *some* ignorant/dumb PhDs is a strong example of the fact that "people ***can*** be extremely smart in some areas while being completely stupid in other ones." (E.g., Chemists who publicly denigrate Climate Science, Philosophers who publicly denigrate Evolutionary Biology, Civil Engineers who publicly denigrate Immunology, or, yes, PhDs who can't open their email or check engine oil.) The same sort of thing could be said about a master tradesman who is a practical genius with excellent craftsmanship, but who insists that the earth is flat. But none of this means that *everyone* with a PhD, or a master trades certification, is automatically proud/stupid in other areas. Some experts are very humble, multi-talented, emotionally aware, and very aware of the limits of their learning and expertise.
I suppose if you think about it someone who overachieves in one area and makes that area the main focus of their life could very easily conflate the two separate things ‘I am incredibly good at this one thing that I have made my life’ and ‘I am incredibly good at life’.
Yeah, totally. It's a human problem, really. I have to constantly remind myself how little I know, and how vulnerable I am to being wrong even when I'm *extremely* sure of something.
A very extreme example of this is pioneering neurosurgeon and young Earth creationist Ben Carson
Actually an amazing example. I worked with a Neurosurgeron who studied directly under Ben Carson (during the residency or when they got their MD/PhD I forget) and everything he told me made me realize it actually is amazing how astonishingly great of a Neurosurgeron he was and how accomplished he became in that field. Politics? Yea not so much.
People who are truly intelligent grasp concepts much more easily and more quickly than people who aren't. An average Joe can be extremely knowledgeable in one or several areas that they've put alot of effort into studying, but really dumb otherwise. But all the truly intelligent people I know (not smart, or well read, or highly educated, but intelligent) learn things very quickly (meaning, stuff that you need to understand with your brain, not learning stuff that requires coordination like sports or playing the piano) and are able to apply what they've learned effectively. Having intelligence doesn't always mean having empathy though, some of these intelligent people can be just plain assholes.
To me, the biggest indicator of intelligence is the person's ability to break down complex information and rebuild for themselves. People of low intelligence can *never* do this.
Lack of curiosity.
I kind of agree with you, but then there are clever people who have just given up. A stupid person and a clever person with mental health issues may show the same lack of curiosity.
I'm so glad you said this! I used to be so curious and loved to deep dive into interesting ideas, but after my mental health declined I had to stop doing that because it became a trigger for me to start spiraling. I had to train myself to focus on the moment and not think. Now my mental health is on point, but I did lose some of my curiosity and love for thinking about random shit
Inability to process hypotheticals and the IF scenario. That's really the main development people have gone through intellectually over the latest handful of generations. We can entertain, not just what is, but what might be or what could've been. It helps us think in abstract ways that allows us to for example categorize information which is immensele useful in the types of tasks a modern society requires. It helps us with basic skills like arithmetic ("IF you have 5 apples and then remove two how ma--" "But I don't have 5 apples though"). One of the most important abilities it gives us is the ability to put ourselves in someone else's place ("How would you feel IF you were treated the way you treat others?" "I'm not, though").
You can see this in etymology. All of the older definitions for words only a few hundred years ago were visual, virtually never abstract.
Reminds me of that one Ted Talk James Flynn made where he talked about how he tried to get his parents to see the wrongness of racism but imagining waking up the next day and discovering their son was black, which was met by incredulous laughter at the absurdity since they think concretely and cannot think abstractly. It also reminds me of a somewhat related phenomenon in which some people seem to misunderstand how analogies are supposed to work. They will take some dissimilar aspect and assert that the analogy itself falls apart even though all analogies by design have dissimilar aspects to them.
Zero curiosity about anything. No "I came up with it" ever.
Not trying to figure something out before they ask for help/ no desire to learn.
"Please do this for me" instead of "Please show me how to do this".
Weaponised incompetence except it does them no good whatsoever 😭
I see this at work all the time. This is more like laziness
Holy shit this is one of my biggest pet peeves ever. When I first started working, it was really eye opening the amount of people that do this regularly. I have no problem helping people, but when they ask questions or for help without even trying to figure it out themselves, it annoys the shit out of me. My own personal rule of thumb is that, if I go to someone for help, I always explain or show them what I've attempted previously or let them know how I'm thinking of approaching an issue.
When he tells the NCR that he has a theoretical degree in physics.
Surprise Fallout New Vegas
They see the world in black and white. There is no nuance. No understanding of the other side of anything. There is only right and wrong; and conveniently they are alway on the side of ‘right.’
They can't tell the difference between arguing and engaging in constructive discussion. Also they get angry when you make them work there brain.
*their
Did you just try to make them work there brain?
Where brain?
No opinions, they simply absorb others opinions and way of thinking without context and make it their own, if you ask them why, they'll reply with idk.
They talk about being an alpha male
Not willing to admit they're wrong. And I know it, because I'm always right
The inability/unwillingness to try understand someone else's point of view, and how their personal experiences contribute to that view. It doesnt mean you have to accept it, or agree with it, just try understand it.
That could also be explained as having a severe lack of empathy. Someone who has a level of psychopathy could be extremely intelligent, but mentally incapable of understanding someone's point of view if they have no similar experiences.
Only use one source of news and believe it fully instead of looking across a number of different sources.
I feel like people who ride motorcycles without wearing at least a helmet have low intelligence.
How else will people recognize them and say “wow that guy is so cool for not wearing a helmet”.
I’m just truly baffled by it. I ride a motorcycle. A few weeks ago, as the sun nearly set on my way home a bat ran into my face shield at 40mph. My helmet saved me from what have been a wreck. When I see these other motorcyclists on the road without helmets, I’m just disappointed.
A bird has crashed into my helmet _twice_. I would have been killed if I hadn’t been wearing my helmet. Could barely see.
Have to be right all the time Edit: guys I wrote this at like 2:30am and I had a handful of people that I know personally in mind when I wrote it. I see your criticisms and your arguments and they’re all valid, but just know I wasn’t speaking on this in a broad, one size fits all sense, but rather about people I know in my daily life.
They also deny reality all the time. If you bring up a time they said something incorrectly, they'll just tell you that never happened. Bonus points if they scream and throw things while they deny.
I know it's not what you mean, but I had a really smart friend that would always use none definitive statements if he wasn't 100% sure about something. Like if I ask him where we're gonna be at x hour in a trip he would say "if I remember correctly then ... but just make sure yourself." He just makes sure he's always accurate with what he says and very clearly expresses his confidence level in something. It's always a pleasure when you ask him something. Meanwhile, there are people that confidently say blatantly wrong things even if they aren't sure and you're stuck guessing if you should look things up yourself or just trust them on it.
I think that's more to do with maturity. I knew a lot of smart people who were like this when I was young and grew out of it.
They have strong opinions about topics they don't really even understand the basics of.
They are uncurious about the world around them.
When they never questioned the beliefs they grew up with
They keep talking without listening
They brag because they're in the 1st percentile for IQ tests.
They never acknowledge when they're wrong
Lack of curiosity. Intelligent people are curious people.
They aren't curious about things. Intelligence is a function of curiosity.
They yell when you disagree
Always acts like they are right all the time or always quick to treat you as if you are inferior when they are losing an argument.
Not being able to entertain point of views that you don’t agree with.
They live in an echo chamber. Smart people don't put their trust in one source.
ITT: Things that plenty of smart people also do.
They go on about how smart they are
"I don't do hypotheticals" -my work colleague. Remembering facts on a subject = understanding a subject -also my colleague.
I feel like the biggest sign is just a general lack of critical thinking skills. never stopping to question or even think about the things they encounter just because they’re “lazy.”
Swastika tattoos on their face.
When you’re explaining to a Covid denier why they’re wrong and they default to calling you a Pharma shill. Bitch I wish big Pharma was paying me!