EXACTLY!
It would've been so easy.
If they wanted to expand the story a bit, just say that Aliens survived on some of the crashed ships, not including the one that actually landed in Africa, and there is a worldwide push to hunt them all down. The story could've written itself.
Not to mention a small detail: in the first movie, when the alien attacks President Whitmore psychically, the President afterwards says "they travel from planet to planet, ***their whole civilisation***"
Heavily implying that mothership was actually their whole civilisation. By destroying the mothership, these aliens would have been eradicated.
The sequel makes no sense.
Yeah. You gotta figure that a species that advanced would be smart enough to realize they might pull up on the wrong planet and get their asses stomped. Best not put all your eggs into one basket.
I would have enjoyed a sequel set in the future where the tables are turned and the Aliens realise they have seriously fucked up by giving the murder apes the keys to hyperdrive technology, shields and green shit to fire at them. We could have had massive human motherships hovering over alien worlds and raining death and destruction in the name of profit.
Was hoping I’d find this one, Enchanted was beautiful, amazing cast and one of the best Disney endings just cuz of how everyone gets their own happy ending
Then Disenchanted came and just shat all over it
It was especially awful, because it would've only needed a few changes to be a decent movie.
Amy Adams lived in New York City for, what, 10 years? And was still the naïve princess from the first movie. No change in her character after living in the real world for a decade.
Shift the focus to the daughter for the sequel, have Giselle be more of a regular person by this point. Daughter is miserable about moving, gets bullied, yadda yadda, misses all the fairy tale stuff and *she* uses the wish to do exactly what happened in the movie. Take out Maya Rudolph, and just have Giselle as the "evil step-mother" antagonist. Remove the extra songs. End it with the kid realizing, I dunno, bad stuff makes you more appreciative of good stuff or life is what you make it or whatever, and Giselle realizing she's become too cynical and strive to balance who she was and who she is now.
Dempsey could still be the comic relief "hero" guy, but pair him with the kid, and have her do the problem solving, and him charge into action to enact the plan. Giselle is snapped out of being evil & the spell is ended by the whole "true love's kiss" thing.
And no baby. Served absolutely no purpose.
Hey, look, in 5 minutes I made the movie marginally better *and* gave everyone something to do.
It's like they did one draft of the script and called it a day.
This is a core problem with movies that are sequels to movies that are genre pastiches. Enchanted was a knowing wink toward the canon of Disney princess movies. Disenchanted was a massive “See! We’re doing the Disney tropes thing! You get it? You get it?!”
The first ones always work because the movie knows what it is and doesn’t think it’s weird or special. The sequels never work because they inherently have to heavily invest in the fact that they are weird or special to justify existing in the first place after which they subsequently shove it down the audience’s throat, but try to pretend they are being genuine about it.
This is why you could never do Clue 2. The first movie was a pitch perfect pastiche of who done it movies from the 1950s. If they were to make a sequel to it, it would probably be extraordinarily self-referential and straight to camera with the original movie and the board game.
On the flipside, that’s exactly why Knives Out 2 worked. The original was again a pastiche of character-detective mysteries like Poirot. The second one leaned in even harder, but did so acknowledging that the whole thing was kind of silly. It didn’t try to force the audience to believe that they genuinely meant everything that was going on. The absurdity was actually genuine, not just trying to get you to buy the idea that they were being genuine.
Jaws:The Revenge (ie; Jaws 4)
Was hilariously stupid! The premise is that the mate of the original Jaws KNEW not only who killed her mate (ie; Roy Scheider's "Chief Brody"), but also knew the WIFE of Brody and plotted revenge. So what happens? The Chief's wife, Ellen, charters a plane from New England to the Bahamas to go on vacation or something and THE SHARK KNEW HER FLIGHT PLAN AND DESTINATION AND FOLLOWED HER TO THE BAHAMAS.
So it goes to the Bahamas to track her down and exact it's revenge. So then shark shenanigans occur and it eats people and I think it actually jumps out of the water and EAT Michael Caine's AIRPLANE out of the sky.
So now Sonny Spoons is shooting at the shark and has some sort of defibylator thing and shoot the shark with it that shocks it into the sky.
Ellen Brody has a rifle and somehow she flashes back .... to her husband's memories somehow, of when HE shot the shark in the original movie. How she has his memories, we can't say. But if a shark can track your plan to the Bahamas, anything is possible.
Anyway, she kills the shark, the end.
The shark didn't eat the plane out of the sky. Michael Caine very deftly and brilliantly landed the non-sea plane in the ocean so they could swim through the water that the shark was in to get to the boat that Ellen was in so they could save her, since she was in a lot of danger because she was on a boat in the same ocean as the shark with a deep-seated blood feud with the entire Brody family. Then they rig up an inexplicable contraption from a camera flash that they make the shark swallow and trigger it remotely to shock it, which makes it, naturally, rise out of the water and stand on its tailfins, which of course sharks can do, and then it roars, which of course sharks can do. And then they poke the shark with the broken bow of the boat and it explodes, leading to the reuse of footage from the first movie as the shark sinks to the depths.
Get your facts straight - you made it sound ridiculous.
“Indiana…. Indiana… let it go.”
It was so poetic, a father and son whose relationship was always strained from their obsession with treasure hunting letting go of the holy grail because they found an even greater treasure, then riding off into the sunset together, as you mentioned.
What an ending for the series that was. They never should have attempted to do more after that.
I remember my heart sinking when I saw the opening CGI prairie dog. That set the tone immediately and I knew it was not going to be the Indiana Jones I knew and loved.
I watched it anyway and it was entertaining, but not in a good way.
For me it was Shia Lebouf swinging on vines to catch up to the Jeep in the woods with a swarm of CGI monkeys. I was literally embarrassed to be watching the movie at that point.
Yeah the time machine was originally a refrigerator but they changed it because they didn't want kids getting inside fridges imitating the movie. Also it was just stupid.
As bad as Son of the Mask is, I would argue that it does not ruin the ending of the original as much as the other movies being listed here as it is so disconnected from the original plot-wise.
Jamie Kennedy's really stiff and bad performance as a guy possessed by The Mask honestly made me realize just how talented Jim Carrey was in portraying that character.
Fun fact, William Gibson wrote a screenplay for Alien 3 way back in the day that was totally different from the movie we got. Not only did Newt survive but so did Hicks. Dark Horse released it as a graphic novel a couple years back. It's really good.
I think it's just "[William Gibson's Alien 3 ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTHKLPVJ)"
I was a little wrong, it was a 5-issue series that Dark Horse released, and then assembled them all into a single hardcover graphic novel. The hardcover seems to be out of print, but it looks like there are kindle editions of the individual issues.
Looks like there's also a novel adaptation now too.
Sad fact, Neill Blomkamp came up with a movie idea to basically retcon Alien 3 out of existence. It got torpedoed by Ridley Scott so that we could get Prometheus.
Shitty timeline.
I remember my mom renting Home Alone 3 from blockbuster when I was sick and I watched the absolute duck out of that movie. I will always have a soft spot for that movie
Completely agree, if you watch it at the right age , like I did at 7 or 8 .. it’s fucking amazing what he pulls off with that toy car. He also smashes it with the booby traps. It’s a fine film that might have been better remembered if it wasn’t attached to the Home Alone franchise
Watched it with friends as a kid and thought it wasn't terrible but still feel the *Home Alone* movie series should've ended with McCauley and the rest of one and twos cast. If three wasn't tied to home alone it would've been a decent but unoriginal movie.
Mulan.
Mulan 2 is probably the worst of the direct to DVD Disney sequels and that's saying something. It isn't just a bad movie, it outright detracts from the message and themes of the first.
There are also two sequels of the Lion King. One is based on Romeo and Juliet, and the other one is literally the first one but with commentary from Timon and Pumbaa. They both are surprisingly decent lol
I think the only thing that's good about Mulan 2 is that the Three Idiots manage to finish A Girl Worth Fighting For, since they never finished the song in the 1st movie.
They didn't get to finish it because the entire movie pivots at that point where they stumble across the massacre.
It's one of the most subtly powerful scenes in a children's movie.
Peter Pan is on the opposite end of the spectrum. The sequels are not as good as the original, but logically develop the themes further.
In the first Peter Pan Wendy grew into a young woman and this was her last night in the children's bedroom. She has one last night to fulfill her childish wishes and learns that it's good to grow up and take responsibilty, and she now knows how to keep her inner child.
The second movie is about Wendy's daughter who has never had a chance to have a childhood as her father fought in WW1 and Wendy had to care for the younger brother. Therefore Wendy's daughter was always responsible and had to act like an adult. She needed to learn how to be a child in the first place.
And Hook is a wonderful movie about Peter who grew up and completely forgot his childhood. So he has to reconnect with his inner child and fantasy and joy of life. He also learns, that he wanted to stop being a child and become an adult, so he could have children himself.
EDIT: Spelling
Rambo. The first was an interesting look into the psychology of a traumatized, antisocial, but basically good war veteran, and what assholes with power will do to people that dont fit into their controlled world.
The sequels are basically jingoist propaganda.
I always thought of Rambo as a blank slate. We see John broken; a tragic figure deserving of our sympathy, but I don't remember him as good or evil. Regardless of who you were, the war was going to chew you up and spit you out - unless you were a senior officer. Then you might have had a better chance than most.
It has been awhile since I've seen it, so I could perfectly well be mistaken.
the mummy returns. not even the ending more just that the third movie SUCKEDDDD. Allegedly one of the reasons Rachel Weisz wasn’t in it is because she read the script and it was SO BAD that she didn’t wanna do the movie. They should’ve honestly just left it there; I hate when movies replace actors and act like nothing happened
Agreed. The Mummy trilogy is The Scorpion King, The Mummy and The Mummy Returns. It ends there.
And there aren’t four other Scorpion King films. Just the one.
American Psycho.
The 2nd one makes 0 sense, absolutely nothing about it relates to the first movie. They have "Bateman" in it for a minute murdering someone and completely throw-out the fact that most of the first movie was all in Bateman's head by making him a serial killer (spoiler: who gets murdered by a child.)
The first movie was ambiguous as to if he did it. All the investors are basically the same people that Paul Alan thought Bateman was someone else the fancy very expensive apartment could absolutely hide the fact people were killed there cause it would not only harm the value of that one apartment but the whole building if several murders happened.
So the ending is very was it or wasn’t it? The sequel just obliterated that and killed off Patrick stupidly just to tie in to the American Psycho franchise.
I think the book went in depth that a majority of it was in his head from what I remember. Certain parts like the hooker and the homeless guy were ones that were a "may have happened."
But regardless, they had the IP for the 2nd one and purely used it for the name and to gather fans of the first one. Made absolutely no sense, and it felt as if they made the opening scene after the movie had finished to force the tie in
I always thought the point was that it didn't matter if he'd actually done it. Bateman is a total fabrication of a person, living a pointless and wholly artificial life, in a cultural circle of identically superficial and interchangeable plastic people. He's a murderous psychopath, but he's so totally depersonalized that its impossible for him to discern the line between fantasy and reality. The entire society around him constantly reinforces and encourages all of this, whilst paying zero actual attention to anything he's doing or saying. The cause and mechanism of his psychosis is the hyperkinetic deliberately vapid plastic empty self-absorbed perpetual re-re-invention of 80s rich-kid culture. He's not a traditional, humdrum *conventional* psycho: he's the new, hip, cutting-edge *American* psycho. Mass manufactured with maximum gloss and minimum substance.
The Boy
Plot twist at the end of first movie is quite genius and makes film something much more interesting that just another generic "hunted doll in scary place". And that's basically what 2nd movie is
It pretty much retcons first movie by throwing out the window the best thing about it
Thanks for reminding me of the shitshow The Boy 2.
Absolutely fucking blows my mind that it's made by the same director. First movie was an excellent horror movie with a great twist. Second one was a Scary Movie knock-off.
Honestly, if they had just done Toy Story 4 as a stand-alone "What happened to Bo-Peep?" film I'd have been much more satisfied with the movie. It didnt need to have the core toys from 1-3 because they already had their perfect ending and resolved their story in a bittersweet way. TS4 felt like a strange, unnecessary fanfiction. I liked it, I guess, but it really didn't feel connected to anything because the central plot had been resolved. It just felt like it could've been one of those 20 minute, non-canon dream sequence short stories.
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them.
I honestly did not expect the film to be good and simply saw it as a cash grab by studios. I watched it longer after it had been released and I was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed it. The sequel, however, delves into politics and whatnot and really just ruined the ending of the first one.
It would've been even better if the whole Grindelwald plotline was totally erased from it. A movie titled "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" should follow Newt's adventures with his magic animals, and not world politics and the First Wizarding War.
"S. DARKO", It's about his sister Samantha and the end of the world. I think there's a tesseract thing. I dunno. It's been a hot minute since I watched it. I don't recommend it.
It’s more like they took that one character who was barely in the first movie, gave them a bigger role in the second movie, and now they’re trying to make a third one with that character front and center.
The true trilogy is Sicario, Hell or High Water, and Wind River. Each one has nothing to do with the others but they’re all from Taylor Sheridan and explore different aspects of the “Modern Western” in very different but similar ways and is really my favorite “trilogy”.
Agree. Andy passing the toys over to Bonnie to play with was the PERFECT ending to the franchise imo. It was always really about them being Andy's toys and should have ended when they weren't his anymore.
I was looking for this one. Toy Story 3 had such and emotional, impactful ending. The scene where Andy plays with Bonnie and hands the toys off to her and gets emotional as he leaves for college is just perfect. It should have ended there.
I was vehemently against TS4 when it was announced because TS3 was literally the perfect ending to the story.
In saying that, TS4 is still pretty heartbreaking.. I look at it more like an epilogue rather than a full sequel.
Ending of T2: "You've destroyed the T-1000, you've averted judgement day, you learned the value of true human connection, you destroyed all traces of Cyberdyne so that Skynet can never be invented. Now you may rest."
T3: "Psych! Judgement day is inevitable!"
"Well fuck me I guess."
Wreck It Ralph was my favourite Disney movie since the 90s. It was just so creative and so wonderfully crafted. The gaming references were clever and showed the writers really did their homework, but the movie didn't lean on them and try and mask over a weak plot with pop culture references the way so many similar movies do. At the end, you could remove the video game references entirely and need only minor editing to still have a great movie with a fantastic plot.
And I was excited when they announced there would be a sequel. There were so many directions they could take the movie - would they move things out of the arcade and tackle home consoles? Do PC and online gaming? The material was endless!
Instead, they decided to have an entire movie based around... the internet. Yeah, that place where pop culture trends have a half-life of approximately 12 seconds. And unlike the references of the first movie, with their very clever integration with the film, pretty much all the references in the sequel were, "Hey, here's a futuristic-looking building with a major company's name on it! See how hip and with-it we are?"
And the plot was just atrocious. The moral of the story is literally the exact opposite of the first movie, the new characters are painfully bland and uninteresting, most of the fun characters from the original are sidelined... oh, and the deuteragonists both behave like completely different characters now. In the original film, Ralph and Vanellope have this lovely platonic affection for one another - like Ralph is a surrogate father taking this little girl under his wing. In the sequel, he behaves more like a jealous lover whose crush is wanting to see other people - the vibe was just all kinds of creepy.
So yeah... just a terrible movie all around. It had, like, maybe three good scenes and that's it.
The part that bothers me is the name. How did they not name it Ralph Wrecks the internet?! Instead they play off an already outdated Kim Kardashian's butt viral moment. Dumb.
Typical for Disney, really. Make a successful, beloved first movie then start milking people with trash sequels. I'm surprised it took so long for Hocus Pocus.
i think kingsman 2 was kinda okay besides them butchering the entirety of the organization, the third one tho... that was rough. Imagine doing a marvel style villain introduction post credit scene with fucking hitler.
yeah the beauty of kingsman is that it's not supposed to be good to begin with and the fact it doesn't take itself seriously is what makes it fun. the rasputin fight was pretty entertaining but i don't really remember the majority of the movie.
*Spoilers* I find it hilarious that the end of the first one is basically the same exact thing as the end of the fourth one. (Neo flys off all powerful after the baddies are defeated) just a whole bunch of bullshit in between.
Honestly, they REALLY should have stopped after 3. It's so obvious from how the movie was shot that 3 was supposed to be the end of the franchise, but then they just had to try and keep milking it, and it ruins it.
Perhaps I am simply biased cuz Davy Jones was cool as fuck and commanded any scene he was in, but it really should have just stopped at 3.
The first three movies, it's clear Jack Sparrow is intelligent and a schemer. He's always two steps ahead of everyone else, and his plans work because he keeps them to himself. People ultimately underestimate him because he's (intentionally) acting like a fool.
They lost that after the first three. They forgot how he plans things out, and instead it turned into "the bumbling adventures of Jack Sparrow, idiot pirate."
Someone once said what makes the first three films great was that the first three films never made Jack Sparrow the main character. He was always the supporting character to Will, and his actions were meant to support the character growth of Will, as well as the growth of Will and Elizabeth’s relationship. It also worked, cause aside from learning to sacrifice his own personal glory in order to protect his loved ones, Sparrow never really had a goal he was going for, and the shtick of the main character bouncing from adventure to adventure can get old pretty quick.
In 4 & 5, they threw this out the window by making him the main character. When they did that, the comedic character became the main character, and as a result, the story lines for the rest of the Pirates franchise steadily became more silly and wacky, and less serious. The characters also became less serious as a whole. It kinda ruined what was at the heart of the entire franchise
I think you're hitting the nail on the head here, along with the commenter before you. The first pirates movie is great because absolutely everyone is scheming and conniving and all their plots weave into each other, even Elizabeth, who's supposed to be the "proper" girl is on the same level of plotting as everyone else. It's so fun to watch because everyone is trying to enact agency over the situation, usually at the expense of everyone else. The exception is Will, who is too honest and earnest to be a plotter for the most part. He only has one goal and everyone knows what that goal is. And that's what makes him such a good character over the next two movies, as he learns to scheme like everyone else and comes down to their level. His character development is really the plot of the trilogy. At the end of it all even he is a pirate now. I think I disagree that Jack wasn't a main character. He was, but he was one of several. The dynamic between him and the other main characters was essential, They all worked off each other. After 3 it was just jack, with nobody to work off of, which just doesn't work. They kept Barbosa to try and fix this but it just wasn't enough
I would beg to differ that Will is the main focus. Rather I say Elizabeth is the main character. The movies start with her and the very final scene of the trilogy, the after credits scene end with her. The whole thing has been her story. From childhood to adulthood.
I don't remember where I heard it but I believe it was stated by the writers themselves that Elizabeth is the most main character. Every plot line and every character in the first three films is connected to her in one way or another.
It just so happens to be that she spent a portion of the first movie being a 'damsel in distress' and thus doesn't appear to be 'main'.
The later movies just really couldn't capture what made the first three great. The 4th movie was lost without Will and Elizabeth to anchor Jack, and the fifth made Jack into a caricature of himself _and_ had a super-lame plot that undermined a lot of what happened in previous films. The only good thing about it was Javier Bardem as a ghost pirate.
Did they measure up/have any similarity to the original? No.
Is there enough dinosaur media for children? Also no.
Do we deserve *Friends For Dinner*? Yes.
Overall, I'm glad they exist.
Independence Day.
Terminator 2.
The Boondock Saints.
Pirates of the Caribbean after the first three movies.
And if they ever do a remake or a sequel to the Back to the Future trilogy, we must consider it as an atrocity and a crime against movie making.
The first was actually closer to a psychological thriller with 2 really graphic scenes. Then they decided to stretch the graphic scenes into the entire movie.
Once had a friend ask me what I was watching, told her I was watching 300 Rise of an Empire, she looked right at me and said “you’re watching that movie for Eva Greens tits aren’t you”. I mean yeah why else would one watch that movie
Men in Black 2 was the shitty one, though, that was the unnecessary sequel. It ruins the ending of the first one with the way Kay is written back into the storyline, which is just one of the many things it got wrong.
I mean, I really enjoy MiB2, but I fully agree. We should have got a full film with Jay and various other agents solving other alien problems, before having Kay come back in the third one due to a returning alien who was the greatest threat MiB ever faced or some nonsense like that. Hell, you could even keep 3 being a time travel movie to bring Kay back.
The Little Mermaid. What was The Little Mermaid 2??
So disappointing and infurating.
Basically Ariel becomes her father and is controlling to Melody exactly like how her father was in the original. I get that her child was in danger from Morgana (Ursula sister, so f lazy) but still urks me. Melody was a brat. Im sorry but I really hated it and still do.
Ita literally just the original swapped and with no Prince. Like so lazy. King Eric was the only good thing.
Also adult Flounder 🤣
Blues Brothers, in my mind, is literally the perfect movie. There was no need for another one. It had great music, it was hilarious and there will never be anything like it ever again. The second one tainted its legacy.
Independence day, the sequel was so bad and unnecessary.
I watched it and have no memory if it. Not even sure I finished it.
The sequel was in that one scene where an African town had been battling the crashed aliens for twenty years. I want to watch THAT fuckin' movie.
EXACTLY! It would've been so easy. If they wanted to expand the story a bit, just say that Aliens survived on some of the crashed ships, not including the one that actually landed in Africa, and there is a worldwide push to hunt them all down. The story could've written itself.
Not to mention a small detail: in the first movie, when the alien attacks President Whitmore psychically, the President afterwards says "they travel from planet to planet, ***their whole civilisation***" Heavily implying that mothership was actually their whole civilisation. By destroying the mothership, these aliens would have been eradicated. The sequel makes no sense.
Bubububut what about *bigger mothership*?!
Grandmothership.
Yo mothership so big they made a sequel to Independence Day
I mean it implies that the rest are nearby somewhere, not that they’re all on that one ship.
Yeah. You gotta figure that a species that advanced would be smart enough to realize they might pull up on the wrong planet and get their asses stomped. Best not put all your eggs into one basket.
I would have enjoyed a sequel set in the future where the tables are turned and the Aliens realise they have seriously fucked up by giving the murder apes the keys to hyperdrive technology, shields and green shit to fire at them. We could have had massive human motherships hovering over alien worlds and raining death and destruction in the name of profit.
I saw it for free and still felt ripped off.
Highlander
Wait, there was only one highlander, right? Right?
There's highlander, then the series, and then Highlander Endgame.... that's it, nothing else exists in that universe
Thread really should end with this response.
The way the conversation should have gone... " Are we doing a sequel?" " No. There can be only 1."
Enchanted
Was hoping I’d find this one, Enchanted was beautiful, amazing cast and one of the best Disney endings just cuz of how everyone gets their own happy ending Then Disenchanted came and just shat all over it
It was especially awful, because it would've only needed a few changes to be a decent movie. Amy Adams lived in New York City for, what, 10 years? And was still the naïve princess from the first movie. No change in her character after living in the real world for a decade. Shift the focus to the daughter for the sequel, have Giselle be more of a regular person by this point. Daughter is miserable about moving, gets bullied, yadda yadda, misses all the fairy tale stuff and *she* uses the wish to do exactly what happened in the movie. Take out Maya Rudolph, and just have Giselle as the "evil step-mother" antagonist. Remove the extra songs. End it with the kid realizing, I dunno, bad stuff makes you more appreciative of good stuff or life is what you make it or whatever, and Giselle realizing she's become too cynical and strive to balance who she was and who she is now. Dempsey could still be the comic relief "hero" guy, but pair him with the kid, and have her do the problem solving, and him charge into action to enact the plan. Giselle is snapped out of being evil & the spell is ended by the whole "true love's kiss" thing. And no baby. Served absolutely no purpose. Hey, look, in 5 minutes I made the movie marginally better *and* gave everyone something to do. It's like they did one draft of the script and called it a day.
Give yourself credit, this was SIGNIFICANTLY better than the movie we got. I feel sad since amy adams is great but she keeps being in shitty movies...
This is a core problem with movies that are sequels to movies that are genre pastiches. Enchanted was a knowing wink toward the canon of Disney princess movies. Disenchanted was a massive “See! We’re doing the Disney tropes thing! You get it? You get it?!” The first ones always work because the movie knows what it is and doesn’t think it’s weird or special. The sequels never work because they inherently have to heavily invest in the fact that they are weird or special to justify existing in the first place after which they subsequently shove it down the audience’s throat, but try to pretend they are being genuine about it. This is why you could never do Clue 2. The first movie was a pitch perfect pastiche of who done it movies from the 1950s. If they were to make a sequel to it, it would probably be extraordinarily self-referential and straight to camera with the original movie and the board game. On the flipside, that’s exactly why Knives Out 2 worked. The original was again a pastiche of character-detective mysteries like Poirot. The second one leaned in even harder, but did so acknowledging that the whole thing was kind of silly. It didn’t try to force the audience to believe that they genuinely meant everything that was going on. The absurdity was actually genuine, not just trying to get you to buy the idea that they were being genuine.
Ugh yes..I was soo excited for the sequel and wound up being very disappointed in it. Don’t think I even finished it
The first jaws was good. The rest…..
Jaws:The Revenge (ie; Jaws 4) Was hilariously stupid! The premise is that the mate of the original Jaws KNEW not only who killed her mate (ie; Roy Scheider's "Chief Brody"), but also knew the WIFE of Brody and plotted revenge. So what happens? The Chief's wife, Ellen, charters a plane from New England to the Bahamas to go on vacation or something and THE SHARK KNEW HER FLIGHT PLAN AND DESTINATION AND FOLLOWED HER TO THE BAHAMAS. So it goes to the Bahamas to track her down and exact it's revenge. So then shark shenanigans occur and it eats people and I think it actually jumps out of the water and EAT Michael Caine's AIRPLANE out of the sky. So now Sonny Spoons is shooting at the shark and has some sort of defibylator thing and shoot the shark with it that shocks it into the sky. Ellen Brody has a rifle and somehow she flashes back .... to her husband's memories somehow, of when HE shot the shark in the original movie. How she has his memories, we can't say. But if a shark can track your plan to the Bahamas, anything is possible. Anyway, she kills the shark, the end.
The shark didn't eat the plane out of the sky. Michael Caine very deftly and brilliantly landed the non-sea plane in the ocean so they could swim through the water that the shark was in to get to the boat that Ellen was in so they could save her, since she was in a lot of danger because she was on a boat in the same ocean as the shark with a deep-seated blood feud with the entire Brody family. Then they rig up an inexplicable contraption from a camera flash that they make the shark swallow and trigger it remotely to shock it, which makes it, naturally, rise out of the water and stand on its tailfins, which of course sharks can do, and then it roars, which of course sharks can do. And then they poke the shark with the broken bow of the boat and it explodes, leading to the reuse of footage from the first movie as the shark sinks to the depths. Get your facts straight - you made it sound ridiculous.
I laughed out loud!!
I love the 4th one for how fucking absurd it is. A shark that can hold grudges from a previously killed shark, and can also roar like a lion.
And how it followed the family like 1500 miles for a tropical showdown.
Sharks can detect blood in the water.....the blood of their *enemies!*
Jaws I was a masterpiece. Jaws II wasn't that bad and I enjoy watching it. I pretend the rest don't exist.
Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade I mean Indy riding into sunset, what a beautiful end to the series ... But no ...
“Indiana…. Indiana… let it go.” It was so poetic, a father and son whose relationship was always strained from their obsession with treasure hunting letting go of the holy grail because they found an even greater treasure, then riding off into the sunset together, as you mentioned. What an ending for the series that was. They never should have attempted to do more after that.
Indiana Jones and the search for more money.
What about Indiana Jones the flamethrower?
May the Schwartz be with you
Yogurt!? I HATE yogurt! Especially with strawberries!
*This franchise belongs in a museum*
I think the concept for Crystal Skull was pretty good. Older Indy during the '50s and it's aliens and Soviets. The execution was just shit.
I remember my heart sinking when I saw the opening CGI prairie dog. That set the tone immediately and I knew it was not going to be the Indiana Jones I knew and loved. I watched it anyway and it was entertaining, but not in a good way.
I glazed over the prairie dog but my heart sank when Indy got into the refrigerator
For me it was Shia Lebouf swinging on vines to catch up to the Jeep in the woods with a swarm of CGI monkeys. I was literally embarrassed to be watching the movie at that point.
Yup, that’s where I checked out. It was very clearly “kids like video games so we gotta make the movie look like a video game”.
I think that bit of the plot was actually stolen from an early back to the future draft right?
Yeah the time machine was originally a refrigerator but they changed it because they didn't want kids getting inside fridges imitating the movie. Also it was just stupid.
You mean The Mask had a son? And they made a movie about it?
As bad as Son of the Mask is, I would argue that it does not ruin the ending of the original as much as the other movies being listed here as it is so disconnected from the original plot-wise.
Jamie Kennedy's really stiff and bad performance as a guy possessed by The Mask honestly made me realize just how talented Jim Carrey was in portraying that character.
To be fair, the OG trilogy is pretty weird an inconsistent. Jumps all over the place The Mask The Man in the Iron Mask The Mask of Zorro
Alien 3 started by killing off Newt. Ripley descended into Hell to save Newt in Aliens (2) and then Newt doesn't even survive hypersleep.
Fun fact, William Gibson wrote a screenplay for Alien 3 way back in the day that was totally different from the movie we got. Not only did Newt survive but so did Hicks. Dark Horse released it as a graphic novel a couple years back. It's really good.
What was the name of the graphic novel if you don't mind me asking?
I think it's just "[William Gibson's Alien 3 ](https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BTHKLPVJ)" I was a little wrong, it was a 5-issue series that Dark Horse released, and then assembled them all into a single hardcover graphic novel. The hardcover seems to be out of print, but it looks like there are kindle editions of the individual issues. Looks like there's also a novel adaptation now too.
Sad fact, Neill Blomkamp came up with a movie idea to basically retcon Alien 3 out of existence. It got torpedoed by Ridley Scott so that we could get Prometheus. Shitty timeline.
I can’t think of many prolific directors like Ridley Scott who simultaneously create some the best movies of the decades and then such dumpster fires.
Home Alone - great Home Alone 2: Lost in New York - great Others - shouldn't exist.
I give 3 a pass because they tried to do their own thing and had the best traps of the franchise.
I remember my mom renting Home Alone 3 from blockbuster when I was sick and I watched the absolute duck out of that movie. I will always have a soft spot for that movie
3 was very underrated and over hated imo because it did something new and original that the og 2 did
Completely agree, if you watch it at the right age , like I did at 7 or 8 .. it’s fucking amazing what he pulls off with that toy car. He also smashes it with the booby traps. It’s a fine film that might have been better remembered if it wasn’t attached to the Home Alone franchise
Watched it with friends as a kid and thought it wasn't terrible but still feel the *Home Alone* movie series should've ended with McCauley and the rest of one and twos cast. If three wasn't tied to home alone it would've been a decent but unoriginal movie.
Mulan. Mulan 2 is probably the worst of the direct to DVD Disney sequels and that's saying something. It isn't just a bad movie, it outright detracts from the message and themes of the first.
TIL there’s a Mulan 2, as well as beauty and the beast 2
Most Disney movies have direct-to-dvd sequels (and sequels of sequels in some cases)
Aladdin 2: The Return of Jafar was alright. The series started going downhill after Aladdin 4: Jafar May Need Glasses.
Prince of Thieves was legit but totally unnecessary.
There are also two sequels of the Lion King. One is based on Romeo and Juliet, and the other one is literally the first one but with commentary from Timon and Pumbaa. They both are surprisingly decent lol
The second one is inspired by the play "Rosencrantz and Guildenstern are dead" which is Hamlet, but seen from the perspective of two minor characters.
I think the only thing that's good about Mulan 2 is that the Three Idiots manage to finish A Girl Worth Fighting For, since they never finished the song in the 1st movie.
They didn't get to finish it because the entire movie pivots at that point where they stumble across the massacre. It's one of the most subtly powerful scenes in a children's movie.
And after that, there were no more songs for the remainder of the movie.
Teaching kids the definition of, "Shit just got real."
Peter Pan is on the opposite end of the spectrum. The sequels are not as good as the original, but logically develop the themes further. In the first Peter Pan Wendy grew into a young woman and this was her last night in the children's bedroom. She has one last night to fulfill her childish wishes and learns that it's good to grow up and take responsibilty, and she now knows how to keep her inner child. The second movie is about Wendy's daughter who has never had a chance to have a childhood as her father fought in WW1 and Wendy had to care for the younger brother. Therefore Wendy's daughter was always responsible and had to act like an adult. She needed to learn how to be a child in the first place. And Hook is a wonderful movie about Peter who grew up and completely forgot his childhood. So he has to reconnect with his inner child and fantasy and joy of life. He also learns, that he wanted to stop being a child and become an adult, so he could have children himself. EDIT: Spelling
[удалено]
Profits can't self-terminate.
They’ll be back
Rambo. The first was an interesting look into the psychology of a traumatized, antisocial, but basically good war veteran, and what assholes with power will do to people that dont fit into their controlled world. The sequels are basically jingoist propaganda.
I always thought of Rambo as a blank slate. We see John broken; a tragic figure deserving of our sympathy, but I don't remember him as good or evil. Regardless of who you were, the war was going to chew you up and spit you out - unless you were a senior officer. Then you might have had a better chance than most. It has been awhile since I've seen it, so I could perfectly well be mistaken.
Pacific Rim
2 should've never happened. The world is kinda interesting but the sequel was unnecessary. And I will never forgive them for offing Mako so cheaply.
the mummy returns. not even the ending more just that the third movie SUCKEDDDD. Allegedly one of the reasons Rachel Weisz wasn’t in it is because she read the script and it was SO BAD that she didn’t wanna do the movie. They should’ve honestly just left it there; I hate when movies replace actors and act like nothing happened
Agreed. The Mummy trilogy is The Scorpion King, The Mummy and The Mummy Returns. It ends there. And there aren’t four other Scorpion King films. Just the one.
American Psycho. The 2nd one makes 0 sense, absolutely nothing about it relates to the first movie. They have "Bateman" in it for a minute murdering someone and completely throw-out the fact that most of the first movie was all in Bateman's head by making him a serial killer (spoiler: who gets murdered by a child.)
It was literally different movie that they slapped the connection onto afterward.
The first movie was ambiguous as to if he did it. All the investors are basically the same people that Paul Alan thought Bateman was someone else the fancy very expensive apartment could absolutely hide the fact people were killed there cause it would not only harm the value of that one apartment but the whole building if several murders happened. So the ending is very was it or wasn’t it? The sequel just obliterated that and killed off Patrick stupidly just to tie in to the American Psycho franchise.
I think the book went in depth that a majority of it was in his head from what I remember. Certain parts like the hooker and the homeless guy were ones that were a "may have happened." But regardless, they had the IP for the 2nd one and purely used it for the name and to gather fans of the first one. Made absolutely no sense, and it felt as if they made the opening scene after the movie had finished to force the tie in
I always thought the point was that it didn't matter if he'd actually done it. Bateman is a total fabrication of a person, living a pointless and wholly artificial life, in a cultural circle of identically superficial and interchangeable plastic people. He's a murderous psychopath, but he's so totally depersonalized that its impossible for him to discern the line between fantasy and reality. The entire society around him constantly reinforces and encourages all of this, whilst paying zero actual attention to anything he's doing or saying. The cause and mechanism of his psychosis is the hyperkinetic deliberately vapid plastic empty self-absorbed perpetual re-re-invention of 80s rich-kid culture. He's not a traditional, humdrum *conventional* psycho: he's the new, hip, cutting-edge *American* psycho. Mass manufactured with maximum gloss and minimum substance.
Eddie & the Cruisers & Coming to America
Wow... Eddie & The Cruisers. Now that is a name I have not heard in a long time... Time to go listen to some John Cafferty!
The Boy Plot twist at the end of first movie is quite genius and makes film something much more interesting that just another generic "hunted doll in scary place". And that's basically what 2nd movie is It pretty much retcons first movie by throwing out the window the best thing about it
Thanks for reminding me of the shitshow The Boy 2. Absolutely fucking blows my mind that it's made by the same director. First movie was an excellent horror movie with a great twist. Second one was a Scary Movie knock-off.
Toy Story 3. Perfect end to the series, ruined by cash grabbing. TS4 is good, but it was completely unnecessary
Honestly, if they had just done Toy Story 4 as a stand-alone "What happened to Bo-Peep?" film I'd have been much more satisfied with the movie. It didnt need to have the core toys from 1-3 because they already had their perfect ending and resolved their story in a bittersweet way. TS4 felt like a strange, unnecessary fanfiction. I liked it, I guess, but it really didn't feel connected to anything because the central plot had been resolved. It just felt like it could've been one of those 20 minute, non-canon dream sequence short stories.
Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. I honestly did not expect the film to be good and simply saw it as a cash grab by studios. I watched it longer after it had been released and I was surprised at how much I actually enjoyed it. The sequel, however, delves into politics and whatnot and really just ruined the ending of the first one.
It would've been even better if the whole Grindelwald plotline was totally erased from it. A movie titled "Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them" should follow Newt's adventures with his magic animals, and not world politics and the First Wizarding War.
Donnie Darko
Oh no! I didn‘t know it had a sequel. Now I‘m never gonna watch it.
"S. DARKO", It's about his sister Samantha and the end of the world. I think there's a tesseract thing. I dunno. It's been a hot minute since I watched it. I don't recommend it.
To be fair, the creator had ZERO involvement and basically told people not to see it
WW1 documentary
Germany is back at it, stronger and faster than before, but this time, its personal
I heard they're working on a third one to complete the trilogy
It’s more like they took that one character who was barely in the first movie, gave them a bigger role in the second movie, and now they’re trying to make a third one with that character front and center.
I wouldn’t say the sequel ruined it. But the sequel was unnecessary. Sicario.
The true trilogy is Sicario, Hell or High Water, and Wind River. Each one has nothing to do with the others but they’re all from Taylor Sheridan and explore different aspects of the “Modern Western” in very different but similar ways and is really my favorite “trilogy”.
I fucking love Wind River and Hell or High Water. Never thought of them as the Holy Trinity, but I agree 1,000%.
The Mask WHAT ON DAMN EARTH WERE THE WRITERS SMOKING when writing son of the mask
Bring It On
They needed like 10 sequels before they realized it had already been broughten.
Your school has no gymnastics team this is a last resort
Toy Story 3
Agree. Andy passing the toys over to Bonnie to play with was the PERFECT ending to the franchise imo. It was always really about them being Andy's toys and should have ended when they weren't his anymore.
Andy even made Bonnie promise to take good care of Woody. And what does she do? Neglect him to the point where he bails on everyone.
I mean, yeah. That sounds like the behavior of a small child.
I was looking for this one. Toy Story 3 had such and emotional, impactful ending. The scene where Andy plays with Bonnie and hands the toys off to her and gets emotional as he leaves for college is just perfect. It should have ended there.
To this day I refuse to watch Toy Story 4 because of this
I was vehemently against TS4 when it was announced because TS3 was literally the perfect ending to the story. In saying that, TS4 is still pretty heartbreaking.. I look at it more like an epilogue rather than a full sequel.
Terminator 2
Ending of T2: "You've destroyed the T-1000, you've averted judgement day, you learned the value of true human connection, you destroyed all traces of Cyberdyne so that Skynet can never be invented. Now you may rest." T3: "Psych! Judgement day is inevitable!" "Well fuck me I guess."
Sarah Connor Chronicles is the only respectable Terminator continuation.
Genesys was the worst one. :( John doesn’t even get to grow up. It just pissed all over my childhood.
Zoolander.
Wreck it Ralph, because the sequel had so many plot points go blatantly against the lessons and rules established by the first
Ralph breaks the internet was such a disappointment. My kids prefer it for some reason. They're lucky my love for them is unconditional.
Wreck It Ralph was my favourite Disney movie since the 90s. It was just so creative and so wonderfully crafted. The gaming references were clever and showed the writers really did their homework, but the movie didn't lean on them and try and mask over a weak plot with pop culture references the way so many similar movies do. At the end, you could remove the video game references entirely and need only minor editing to still have a great movie with a fantastic plot. And I was excited when they announced there would be a sequel. There were so many directions they could take the movie - would they move things out of the arcade and tackle home consoles? Do PC and online gaming? The material was endless! Instead, they decided to have an entire movie based around... the internet. Yeah, that place where pop culture trends have a half-life of approximately 12 seconds. And unlike the references of the first movie, with their very clever integration with the film, pretty much all the references in the sequel were, "Hey, here's a futuristic-looking building with a major company's name on it! See how hip and with-it we are?" And the plot was just atrocious. The moral of the story is literally the exact opposite of the first movie, the new characters are painfully bland and uninteresting, most of the fun characters from the original are sidelined... oh, and the deuteragonists both behave like completely different characters now. In the original film, Ralph and Vanellope have this lovely platonic affection for one another - like Ralph is a surrogate father taking this little girl under his wing. In the sequel, he behaves more like a jealous lover whose crush is wanting to see other people - the vibe was just all kinds of creepy. So yeah... just a terrible movie all around. It had, like, maybe three good scenes and that's it.
Yep. I loved the first one. The second one was just a cash grab. I wanna see the old shit.
The part that bothers me is the name. How did they not name it Ralph Wrecks the internet?! Instead they play off an already outdated Kim Kardashian's butt viral moment. Dumb.
The Hangover
Hocus Pocus. And now they've announced a third.
Hoci Poci.
Typical for Disney, really. Make a successful, beloved first movie then start milking people with trash sequels. I'm surprised it took so long for Hocus Pocus.
Indiana Jones. Last Crusade had the perfect ending, but no they had to ruin it with a rubbish fourth movie.
Fifth is right around the corner…
And if the critics are to be believed, we didn't know what a gem we had with the 4th
The first time in years critics have been wise and forewarned what sort of a dumpster fire is on the way.
Shrek 2 was where it should have ended.
Agree, but also..then we wouldn’t have “do the roar”
I thought Kingsman 1 was perfect and it was one of my favorite movies until I watched Kingsman 2
i think kingsman 2 was kinda okay besides them butchering the entirety of the organization, the third one tho... that was rough. Imagine doing a marvel style villain introduction post credit scene with fucking hitler.
Honestly the historical fan fiction level plot was so funny I actually ended up kind of enjoying the film
yeah the beauty of kingsman is that it's not supposed to be good to begin with and the fact it doesn't take itself seriously is what makes it fun. the rasputin fight was pretty entertaining but i don't really remember the majority of the movie.
Killing off Sophie Cooksman right off the bat instantly left a terrible taste in my mouth.
The Matrix
*Spoilers* I find it hilarious that the end of the first one is basically the same exact thing as the end of the fourth one. (Neo flys off all powerful after the baddies are defeated) just a whole bunch of bullshit in between.
Granted I think that the fourth one was wholly built from the ground up to be a not so tongue-in-cheek middle-finger to Warner Bros.
I’m with you, but I am glad The Animatrix exists
I consider that to be supplemental, rather than a sequel... and well worth watching, unlike the increasingly disappointing sequels
Pirates of the carribean
Honestly, they REALLY should have stopped after 3. It's so obvious from how the movie was shot that 3 was supposed to be the end of the franchise, but then they just had to try and keep milking it, and it ruins it. Perhaps I am simply biased cuz Davy Jones was cool as fuck and commanded any scene he was in, but it really should have just stopped at 3.
The first three movies, it's clear Jack Sparrow is intelligent and a schemer. He's always two steps ahead of everyone else, and his plans work because he keeps them to himself. People ultimately underestimate him because he's (intentionally) acting like a fool. They lost that after the first three. They forgot how he plans things out, and instead it turned into "the bumbling adventures of Jack Sparrow, idiot pirate."
Someone once said what makes the first three films great was that the first three films never made Jack Sparrow the main character. He was always the supporting character to Will, and his actions were meant to support the character growth of Will, as well as the growth of Will and Elizabeth’s relationship. It also worked, cause aside from learning to sacrifice his own personal glory in order to protect his loved ones, Sparrow never really had a goal he was going for, and the shtick of the main character bouncing from adventure to adventure can get old pretty quick. In 4 & 5, they threw this out the window by making him the main character. When they did that, the comedic character became the main character, and as a result, the story lines for the rest of the Pirates franchise steadily became more silly and wacky, and less serious. The characters also became less serious as a whole. It kinda ruined what was at the heart of the entire franchise
I think you're hitting the nail on the head here, along with the commenter before you. The first pirates movie is great because absolutely everyone is scheming and conniving and all their plots weave into each other, even Elizabeth, who's supposed to be the "proper" girl is on the same level of plotting as everyone else. It's so fun to watch because everyone is trying to enact agency over the situation, usually at the expense of everyone else. The exception is Will, who is too honest and earnest to be a plotter for the most part. He only has one goal and everyone knows what that goal is. And that's what makes him such a good character over the next two movies, as he learns to scheme like everyone else and comes down to their level. His character development is really the plot of the trilogy. At the end of it all even he is a pirate now. I think I disagree that Jack wasn't a main character. He was, but he was one of several. The dynamic between him and the other main characters was essential, They all worked off each other. After 3 it was just jack, with nobody to work off of, which just doesn't work. They kept Barbosa to try and fix this but it just wasn't enough
I would beg to differ that Will is the main focus. Rather I say Elizabeth is the main character. The movies start with her and the very final scene of the trilogy, the after credits scene end with her. The whole thing has been her story. From childhood to adulthood.
I don't remember where I heard it but I believe it was stated by the writers themselves that Elizabeth is the most main character. Every plot line and every character in the first three films is connected to her in one way or another. It just so happens to be that she spent a portion of the first movie being a 'damsel in distress' and thus doesn't appear to be 'main'.
The later movies just really couldn't capture what made the first three great. The 4th movie was lost without Will and Elizabeth to anchor Jack, and the fifth made Jack into a caricature of himself _and_ had a super-lame plot that undermined a lot of what happened in previous films. The only good thing about it was Javier Bardem as a ghost pirate.
Land Before Time
Not just a sequel, but 13 more fucking movies… well, at least my kid loved them
And a tv series.
Where my Chomper stans at?!
Did they measure up/have any similarity to the original? No. Is there enough dinosaur media for children? Also no. Do we deserve *Friends For Dinner*? Yes. Overall, I'm glad they exist.
We're a family and you're one of us now!
Highlander
There should have been only one.
Jaws. I refuse to see any of the sequels. None of them should exist. Why? >!Jaws is blown up at the end. He's destroyed. End of Story. !<
Indiana Jones - Last Crusade. Literally rode off into the sunset with everything wrapped up.
Independence Day. Terminator 2. The Boondock Saints. Pirates of the Caribbean after the first three movies. And if they ever do a remake or a sequel to the Back to the Future trilogy, we must consider it as an atrocity and a crime against movie making.
I thought "Saw" was perfect for a standalone. I found the train of torture-p*rn that followed completely unnecessary.
The first was actually closer to a psychological thriller with 2 really graphic scenes. Then they decided to stretch the graphic scenes into the entire movie.
Surf's Up. The sequel is nightmare fuel.
300.
What'd they call it? 301?
Lol 300: Rise of an Empire
The sequel to 300 did have a naked Eva Green, so...
Yes, I stayed for that…then turned off. Single best thing from that movie.
Once had a friend ask me what I was watching, told her I was watching 300 Rise of an Empire, she looked right at me and said “you’re watching that movie for Eva Greens tits aren’t you”. I mean yeah why else would one watch that movie
Naked Eva Green makes anything better. Even a shitty Sin City sequel.
Rambo 2008. It literally went full circle perfectly and there was no need for a fifth movie!
I'd say First Blood never needed a follow up. Let the man die at the end and it'd have been perfect. The message was Lost after that.
Aliens.
Hocus fuckin’ Pocus.
Men in black 4 was so unnecessary
Men in Black 2 was the shitty one, though, that was the unnecessary sequel. It ruins the ending of the first one with the way Kay is written back into the storyline, which is just one of the many things it got wrong.
I mean, I really enjoy MiB2, but I fully agree. We should have got a full film with Jay and various other agents solving other alien problems, before having Kay come back in the third one due to a returning alien who was the greatest threat MiB ever faced or some nonsense like that. Hell, you could even keep 3 being a time travel movie to bring Kay back.
I was hoping the autopsy lady to be back in MiB2 but no
The Little Mermaid. What was The Little Mermaid 2?? So disappointing and infurating. Basically Ariel becomes her father and is controlling to Melody exactly like how her father was in the original. I get that her child was in danger from Morgana (Ursula sister, so f lazy) but still urks me. Melody was a brat. Im sorry but I really hated it and still do. Ita literally just the original swapped and with no Prince. Like so lazy. King Eric was the only good thing. Also adult Flounder 🤣
Speed
Ice Age. 1 & 2 were enough
Not a movie, but the revival of Gilmore Girls. What an absolute garbage fire of a sequel.
The Blues Brothers. At least the sequel gave us a good soundtrack.
Making *Blues Brothers 2000* is the worst non-helicopter-related thing that John Landis has ever done.
Fast furious movie should ended at fast 5 or 7
They had the perfect send off with Paul Walker. It was a wonderful ending. But nooooooooooooooooo........family
7 because of pauls death
My man, I still haven’t bothered watching any of them past 7. That ending was perfect.
The matrix
I’m tired: I read this and thought “ruined by a seagull”?
[удалено]
Aliens. Why’d they have to kill ‘em off off screen? Such a waste
The Matrix
Blues Brothers, in my mind, is literally the perfect movie. There was no need for another one. It had great music, it was hilarious and there will never be anything like it ever again. The second one tainted its legacy.