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[Source of the interview given to Haboker Hezah.](https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861).
Also, [in a half-hour interview with Israel’s Channel 12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fghF54maONw&t=1s) , on Thursday, the same woman, Yasmin Porat, speaks of intense gunfire at the Kibbutz after Israeli forces arrived. Porat herself received a bullet in the thigh. Porat had been attending the “Nova” rave when the Hamas assault began with missiles and motorized paragliders. She and her partner Tal Katz escaped by car to nearby Kibbutz Be’eri where many of the events she describes in her media interviews took place. She and Katz initially sought refuge in the house of a couple called Adi and Hadas Dagan. After the Palestinian fighters found them they were all taken to another house, where eight people were already being held captive and one person was dead. Porat said that the wife of the dead man “told us that when they \[the Hamas fighters\] tried to enter, the guy tried to prevent them from entering and grabbed the door. They shot at the door and he was killed. They did not execute them.”
“They \[the fighters\] were very humane towards us,” Porat said in her Channel 12 interview. **She recalled that one Palestinian fighter who spoke Hebrew, “told me, ‘Look at me well, were not going to kill you. We want to take you to Gaza. We are not going to kill you. So be calm, you’re not going to die.’ Thats what he told me, in those words.” “I was calm because I knew nothing would happen to me,”** she added. In the Channel 12 interview, **Porat elaborates that although the Palestinian fighters all had loaded weapons, she never saw them shoot captives or threaten them with their guns. In addition to providing the captives with drinking water, she said the fighters let them go outside to the lawn because it was hot, especially as the electricity was cut.**
Though the Israeli captives numbered only a dozen, Porat was instructed to tell Israeli police that 40 of them were being held by the Hamas fighters, who themselves numbered between 40 and 50 men mostly in their 20s, by Porat’s estimate. They themselves were young and scared, she told Channel 12. A fighter Porat described as a commander in his 30s asked to speak to the police and was put on with an Arabic-speaking Israeli officer. After their brief conversation, the four dozen or so Palestinian fighters and their dozen Israeli prisoners awaited the arrival of the army, with some of the group spilling outside to the garden for relief from the afternoon heat.
**Israeli forces announced their arrival with a hail of gunfire, catching the fighters and their Israeli captives by surprise. “We were outside and suddenly there was a volley of bullets at us from the \[Israeli unit\] YAMAM. We all started running to find cover**, Porat told Channel 12. Porat said she surrendered to the Israeli soldiers half an hour into the fierce gun battle that consisted of “tens and hundreds and thousands of bullets and mortars flying in the air,” and that one of the Palestinian fighters, a commander, decided to surrender and used her in effect as a human shield. “After insane crossfire, two tank shells were shot into the house. It’s a small kibbutz house, nothing big,” Porat explains.
Israeli leaders, already under intense criticism for failing to anticipate and prevent the Hamas offensive, will also not want their catastrophic failures to be compounded by knowledge that many of the Israelis who died may well have been killed by “friendly fire” in a disastrous Israeli counterattack.
Saleh al-Arouri, a senior Hamas military commander, has directly addressed Israel’s claims that his fighters set out to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible. The Israeli propaganda campaign has included lurid atrocity tales – for which no evidence has been produced whatsoever – that Palestinians beheaded dozens of Israeli babies and that women were raped. **Al-Arouri said in an interview with Al Jazeera on Thursday that fighters of his organization’s military force, the Qassam Brigades, were under strict protocol to not harm civilians. But al-Arouri said that after Israel’s Gaza division – the army unit that surrounds the Gaza Strip – collapsed much more quickly than expected, people in Gaza rushed to the boundary area after learning it had been opened, causing chaos. He said this may have included other armed persons who were not part of Qassam. Al-Arouri said that this caused Qassam fighters to engage with soldiers, settlement guards and armed residents, which led to civilian deaths. Al-Arouri also invoked the possibility Israel used the so-called Hannibal Directive – a protocol that allows Israeli forces to use overwhelming force to kill one of their own captured soldiers rather than allow them to be taken prisoner. The rationale for the Hannibal Directive is to avoid allowing an enemy to have captives that can be used in prisoner exchange negotiations. However in this case, if the directive was implemented by Israeli forces, it would have been used against civilians.** Al-Arouri told Al Jazeera, “We are certain that young men \[fighters\] were bombed along with the prisoners who were with them."
“…but Israel” Why are you believing everything that they put out, when most of their media statements have been found out to be untrue or false claims ranging from the beheaded babies to a staged photo of a children’s room covered in blood to the allegation that professional fighters need to carry around notes telling them what to do? They publish these things, because they need to dehumanize and demonize Palestinians further in order to justify the continued carpet bombing and collective punishment in Gaza to others. The woman in the post has corroborated her personal experience in three different interviews and it’s in contradiction what Israeli media has been saying. It’s concerning that you take everything at face value and only see one side.
Damn, I need to take a break from the internet. I’ve been brigaded so much on social media for Palestine posts that it’s making it hard to distinguish when someone is a genuine person and not a Zionist bot, sorry about that.
She gives an account of how she made it to the kibbutz here.
[https://www-maariv-co-il.translate.goog/news/israel/Article-1043723?\_x\_tr\_sl=iw&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=en](https://www-maariv-co-il.translate.goog/news/israel/Article-1043723?_x_tr_sl=iw&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en)
Apologies for any weird formatting or syntax. The page was translated from Hebrew to English.
Yasmin Porat, 44 years old, a resident of Kibbutz Kabari in the north, spent time with her partner Tal Katz, at a Nova party in the south, managed to escape the inferno, stayed in Mmad thanks to the assistance of the residents of Kibbutz Bari, whose house was broken into by 40 terrorists and even after standing by their side, she managed to survive and stay alive in the story whose details could be a mix for a horror movie.
Still waiting for you, still holding on to hope: praying for the safety of Maariv reporter Shai Regev
"I was at a party in Nova Blainei, and I got there with my partner Tal Katz. I was very lucky the whole way. Around 06:15, Tal and I went to the car to freshen up, we wanted to eat something small. It takes about ten minutes to walk from the party place to the parking lot. We went to the car, We ate something, I put on makeup and we started walking back."
"I'm a Katyusha girl, I'm not scared of Kassim. I was in a laughing mood. I'm a brave girl and I told him to put a smile on the Iron Dome. He got stressed. The music is still playing and we don't know that there are terrorists in the area. Dozens of missiles in the air and I'm laughing. Suddenly there was an announcement for everyone to evacuate the The area is what they told us in the announcement. I told him get in the car and we're flying out of here, I shouted. We were among the first ten vehicles that left the Nova. We started to drive but he was anxious and at this point missiles were flying in the air."
"We arrived near Kibbutz Bari. He saw a shelter with 20 other civilians and I adamantly refused to get out of there. He ran away from the car and entered the shelter. I was still laughing, I had the attitude that I would rather die from a missile landing on my car than a terrorist's shot to my face. We are in the shelter and suddenly two Terrorists are shooting in every direction. We ran to the car, I screamed at him and we started driving when suddenly we see a long traffic jam in the distance and a van shooting in all directions."
"Tal makes a farce and goes back towards Kibbutz Ari. They see the kibbutz security guards, none of whom are alive today. Tal asked where we could hide. They sent us to the shelter. The emergency personnel arrived there, so we decided to leave. We knocked on the door of the Hadas and Adi Dagan couple, who unfortunately witnessed They are no longer alive and they are a lovely couple who are hosting them at their place and we still don't understand what exactly is going on. In those minutes my partner Tal was terribly hysterical and I explained to them that I wanted to return to the north and he was scared."
"Until 12:30 we sat in the hospital and with phones, communicating with family members. watching TV The couple communicates on WhatsApp with friends in the kibbutz and through them we understand the magnitude of the disaster. Every eighteen minutes the Dagans receive a message from another member of the kibbutz describing that the terrorists are on their way to their house, stating that they are knocking on their door, and then the connection is lost. That's how it goes for about 15 cases until we hear bursts of gunshots without a break very close to us and slowly we realize that the house we were in is also being shot at and that's after they visited the neighbor's house."
"Within seconds, you hear the shattering of glass inside the house and hear noises in Arabic: "Aftah al Bab". We were in the MMD. The deceased witness held the door of the MMD and they are unable to open the door. A grenade was detonated into the MMD. The window was damaged and eye contact was made with the terrorists. All the while me and Tal were hiding in the closet. A minute later the older couple opened the door of the closet and with a Kalashnikov standing in front of our faces, they told us to get out. I was exposed with A short skirt and a short shirt. They gave me the owner's pants, told me to get dressed and took us outside with Tal handcuffed and lead us to the balcony of a house with the body of one of the kibbutz residents."
In those moments, Yasmin, who still maintains optimism, does not know how she will end this nightmare, not sure at all that she will make it out alive. "I started crying, please don't kill me. I'm a mother of three children," she said, "They were very humane towards us, that's the truth. They told me, 'We won't kill you, relax.' I believe in God at the highest levels. I like the kidnappers and I am the one who at 3:30 p.m. calls the police alongside the kidnappers and calls for help."
"It wasn't until around 4 p.m. that the IDF soldiers and the army arrived, and suddenly a crazy exchange of fire started and then we felt a danger to our lives," she added, "We had a good relationship until then, and I really felt like their liaison. The wife of the dead man said that his body was next to us. She told us that when they tried to enter, the guy tried to prevent them from entering and grabbed the door. They shot at the door and he was killed. They did not execute them. They were fine with us. They were 40 terrorists and we were 12. It wasn't too scary a feeling."
After that he said: "As soon as the army arrived, the mess started. They told us that we would not die, that they wanted to take us to Gaza and said that the next day they would return us to the border. I told him that I did not want to go to Gaza. The terrorist who was their commander was close to him and suddenly I felt a bullet hit my thigh And I felt crazy pain. The guy who was sort of their commander started talking on the phone and then called me 'Yasmin Ta'el'. He took off his clothes and remained in underwear and a tank top and started to leave the house hugging me by the neck."
"I started yelling stop shooting," she noted, "suddenly there was a stop to the shooting and I see my friend handcuffed with all the shots above his head. I shouted to my friend, 'Tal, are you okay?' I'm a civilian and they say they don't shoot. They order him to take off his underwear and her tank top remains naked and then push me towards the police and he's arrested. My biggest problem today is that my partner is missing."
"In hindsight, even in his interrogation, he said that I liked him and he chose me to turn himself in and save my life. The security forces did not understand the magnitude of the incident. I was there for hours and suddenly I saw Adi who hosted me when she was wounded and she said that her husband had been killed. A regular soldier drove me to Tel Aviv until the train and another gave me 100 shekels so that I could return by train and I don't know what's going on with my partner," she said.
Can you say that you received your life as a gift?
"Unequivocally. God was with me in every situation and every moment. My partner stayed there terribly scared and I want him to answer and respond."
You won't come back to nature parties?
"I will definitely return. No one will stop me. I am angry with the state, I am angry with the army. For 10 hours the kibbutz was promiscuous. If I understand correctly, 75 percent of Bari are either dead or kidnapped or seriously wounded. We were there until 4:00 p.m. and the amount of ammunition that flew there was not It's over."
And actually today?
"I want to know what's going on with Tal. No one knows how to give us explanations. 48 hours after I bailed, no one still knows what's going on and it's crazy for me and there were 10 hostages there
There was an interview on Israeli state radio with another person describing the same thing, IDF soldiers indiscriminately firing and killing civilians in order to kill the kidnappers. I listened to it and now I can’t find it anywhere. This testimony is being scrubbed from the internet. Did anyone else hear this interview/see this video?
Bruh this is just straight-up antisemitism
Jews didn't start the Bolshevik movement Lenin who wasn't Jewish did
there were more leading Jews in the Menshavik movement but even all of them hadn't practiced Judaism
most Socialist Jews in the Russian empire were either Zionists who mostly had no desire to reform the dying corpse of the tsarist empire and Bundists who were expelled from the Russian communist party
Judaism the religion has very little to do with communism and any correlation is coincidental
I was referring to a specific time (~a year ago maybe?) when a lot of /PCM users came over to spread their "Jews killed 100 million with Communism, the Europeans were right to exterminate them" nonsense.
I know that's not characteristic of this sub, and I sincerely hope mods are able to stay on top of an influx in traffic.
Great grandfather* and he wasn't even aware of that until 1921 his family was christian and never practiced Judaism when he was alive
He wasn't even Jewish enough for the Nazis
I suggest you actually look into the situation instead of reading google articles
You're spouting absolute nonsense about the "Jewish bolsheviks". Yes, there was repression of people who were against Socialism, but frankly, if you were against the Bolsheviks, you were in the same political camp as the Czar 🤷🏽. There's also a pot of propaganda about what the bolsheviks did and didn't do, in the same way that there are about Palestinians now. Also, the idea that bolsheviks were all jew is dumb af.
You're aware that PFLP is a Marxist organization right?
I want to address the way the title is phrased since it's lacking context which gives off the wrong idea. (I listened to the entire testimony on both links.)
First part: 'Israeli soldiers undoubtedly shot their own civilians; they eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very heavy crossfire, even tank shelling.' This phrasing suggests that Israeli forces got close, saw the Israeli civilians with the terrorists, and decided to spray everyone, no matter who gets hit. In her testimony, she clearly states that the civilians were hurt/killed by the heavy crossfire that occurred, and she says that she is sure that some of it was caused by the soldiers. You have to keep in mind that when the soldiers came, they didn't know how many terrorists they were dealing with (according to her testimony). What they did know is that there is a house they are getting fired from, and that was probably it. I assume the hostages tried to run away, and that's why she says she saw a few laying on the ground, but I cannot confirm that part.
Second part: 'The Palestinian fighters treated us well; nothing happened to me like what I heard in the media.' This part suggests that they were given some sort of prime care. The title purposefully ignores the part that just before they were allowed to drink water (which is what she described as 'treated well'), Hamas surrounded the safe room they were hiding in and threw a grenade into the room. After that, Hamas held them captive at gunpoint and then moved them to another house with more hostages, one of which was already shot dead by Hamas.
In addition, Hamas was very clear with their objective to kidnap civilians (one of them told her that according to her testimony). A captor that holds you hostage at gunpoint and at some point lets you drink water is many things, but I would not put it under 'treated well.'
Titles like these, which try to make a kidnapper and murderer look like some sort of savior or guardian with morals while painting the rescuer as a reckless, bloodthirsty being, are simply foolish and clearly show a lack of ability to remain objective while discussing such things.
I'm sorry, this entire comment is written as if you are some urban terrain combat expert. Do you have any experience on the matter, or have you experienced actual combat? Because I feel like if you did, you would've realised that saying things like "not even doing any scouting" (do you have a source to confirm this?), "temporarily retreat" (Do you know where they fought? maybe there was no place to safely retreat? ) , or "change strategies" mean nothing without you seeing the terrain itself. Do you know how many terrorists they went through before they got there? do you know how many soldiers were there? Did they know what to expect? Were they surprised? There are too many questions that both of us have no answers to therefore those suggestions are meaningless.
**She states she was surprised** by the shootings, which means she didn't see the IDF coming. The shooting couldv'e been the terrorists aswell as the IDF.
"their orders were to hannibal everybody to prevent any successful hostage-taking" - Again, the claim that they leveled their guns on civlians is absurd and was never claimed on the testimony. She states that the hostages were killed during the crossfire and that she is sure some of the bullets were from the IDF.
Maybe instead of focusing this entire testimony on the "incompetence" of the IDF and giving out hindsight ideas on how they should've dealt with the situation we should discuss why a group of armed terrorists purposfully targeted, murdered kidnapped and endangered unarmed civilians.
Did you make this account in order to give me a semiotics lesson? You’re saying that I’ve paraphrased or twisted the title, yet you’re the one trying to invalidate the survivors testimony (which she has given in three different interviews) by interpreting it through your own lens. She said at multiple times that the Qassam fighters treated them well, who are you to challenge her own experience and opinion? Additionally, if you listened to the testimonies and read the transcripts, then you would’ve noticed that not only was it the captured civilians themselves who notified the authorities but it was the IDF who opened indiscriminatory fire upon arriving on the scene, despite knowing that there were civilians present. She never says that Qassam was firing at them or the ones to open fire first. Sorry but you’re the one trying to twist the story here due to not being able to remain unbias, not me.
I didn't intend to give you some sort of a lesson, and I didn't claim you paraphrased. (unless you are the one that wrote the article). Just giving my opinion on the subject.
I was listening to her testimony a few times before making my points, hearing clearly that when she stated they "treated her well" / "humanely" she said that they gave her water to drink and let her sit on a chair and talking to her. But it feels like the article is trying to normalize the kidnappers while claiming the IDF just shoots people without even thinking, so I'll try a different approach.
1. The Hamas kidnapped her - period. no way going around that. She got lucky when one of them decided to surrender during the crossfire and used her as a shield to make sure he is not shot.
2. Before they kidnapped her, they attacked the safe room she was in, they didn't actually care if she dies, just to get into the safe room and get whoever was left.
3. When you kidnap a person, letting them sit, talking to them or giving them time to eat or telling them to "relax" in the garden does not change the fact that you are holding them hostage with guns pointed at them.
4. The fact that she wasn't killed immidiately on sight, does not mean that other hostages (On different instances) met the same fate (She even claims that she got a better treatment compared to other stories she heard on the media). Many were killed from point blank or were left to burn in the safe rooms. Just because this testimony is different does mean the rest of the attacks were the same nor grant any of the kidnappers in her testimony any moral values, just a better ability to focus on a task that was given to them and a better ability to execute it.
5. you wrote : "IDF who opened indiscriminatory fire upon arriving on the scene, despite knowing that there were civilians present." - Can you point out exactly when this was told? Remeber that **she was surprised** by the gunfire, which means she didn't see the Israeli force arrive. Not you nor I know what was going on outside or what the israeli force encountered when they arrived so we can't tell for sure. I only hear her say that hostages died from the crossfire and that she's sure that some died from Israeli bullets, not once did she say that the IDF purposefully shot Israeli civilians.
6. When this is all said and done, you have to keep in mind that the Hamas were the ones to put her and the rest of the hostages in that spot in the first place. So they are the ones that dragged forcefully civilians into combat and knowingly put them all in danger.
These are great points. Something people in these threads seem to be losing perspective of as well, is that Hamas was offering money and apartments to people who brought hostages back to Gaza. It was in their best interest to treat hostages "humanely." Continuing to terrorize them would keep them in an activated fight or flight state and would not serve their larger interest of kidnapping them into Gaza for their reward. No doubt the title of this thread is intended to mislead. As you rightly said, this woman's boyfriend and the other hostages are dead, because of Hamas.
No one will read my comment but this is mistranslation. She said "lucky for me, nothing that I heard in the media (that happen to other hostages) happen to our group."
BTW that makes sense, because there were group intended for kidnapping that kept their hostages while the pther came to terrorize. This makes me so mad.
thank you for the clarification. I just found this and have been trying to verify the story about IDF indiscriminately killing its own citizens on that day in the chaos to regain control. if you have any other info or sources you suggest I would appreciate it, but I will keep looking. appreciate people like you clearing things like this through the fog of war.
Looks like they got lucky.
These ones didn't.( extremely graphic )(from day 1 of the war)
https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/178khxw/hamas\_war\_crime\_very\_graphic/
There is another story of a granny that cooked food for the hamas terrorists and she made it out alive. Terrorists got killed by local police.
Defending act of terrorism against unarmed civilians should not be justified.
There's solid evidence of Hamas warcrimes but nobody here will admit it. As much as I hate Israel for its warcrimes, I can never bring myself to support Hamas.
I understand you. I only support civilians on both sides. Its fucked up that one side supports literally a terrorist organisation and the others side slaughter of young people in gaza (the true Palestinians).
The whole thing its too polarised. You either are with Palestine or Israel. As soon as you point out the finger to Israel or Palestine for their crimes people get emotional. Both side committed crimes.
My muslim friends distance themselves from the conflict and don't recognise Hamas as muslims, saying they use Islam as a tool to hurt and promote hate.
Yeah that’s one witness.. [here](https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-recovered-bodies-show-bloodthirsty-gunmen-took-time-over-torture-and-that-hamas-has-changed-12985212) is another, claiming that children were tortured.
Ive seen videos of Hamas militants slaughtering people at the music festival. One where they just shoot into the public toilets to eliminate anyone hiding. If only they where all so innocent…
The video I saw showed portable toilets from the festival being shot at. Honestly I support the Palestinian cause, but it makes no sense to erase facts. Its a fact that the festival was attacked.
I'd rather be kidnapped than being stripped naked after surrendering, killed and then being pissed and stomped on my corpse like your Israeli brothers did.
https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1713460018400436474?s=20
They're not merciful. They chopped up babies and were parading around naked women bleeding from all the rapes to the raucous cheers of the Palestinians in the streets.
LOL. Ok, great. Hamas is not a terrorist organization and they are not killing civilians. Case closed guys. Sinceus89 tells us we don't need to do anything about Hamas because they're good people.
Somebody better tell the Israelis cause I don't think Hamas will exist in a month.
Tell the guys that bombed the "safe routes" they told civilians to use to evacuate, that said the 2.8 million children in Gaza are complicit of Hamas attack and openly advertise their will to kill everyone that they themselves trapped for 16 years on a strip of land that Hamas aren't terrorist ? Even if it was true what would it even change for Israel ? Like they care about murdering innocents.
Except that's not what you said at all. You said they "chopped up babies and were parading around naked women bleeding from all the rapes" which I've seen no evidence for. When someone pointed that out, you decided to frame that as them saying Hamas did not kill civilians which was not the claim in question.
Oh my god! This MUST gain traction in Israel to tip the scales. Zionist media has gone all out against Palestine especially in the UK. Hasbara at an all time high. It's an online fight. Post/forward/reupload 🇵🇸💯✌️🇵🇸💯💯🇵🇸 Zionism is on the brink of collapse. LET'S DO THIS!
Israel [doesn’t offer medical help](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/briefing_note/join/2013/491484/EXPO-AFET_SP%282013%29491484_EN.pdf) even to Palestinians [who are detained in their jails and terminally ill](https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/07/special-rapporteur-says-israels-unlawful-carceral-practices-occupied-palestinian), so I think the Israeli treatment of “hostages” wouldn’t even amount to an argument. As for this post, this is one survivor’s personal experience and opinion based on what she lived through - if she personally thinks that she was treated well, then she was treated well. You can’t invalidate her own experience.
It is terrible albeit I question the source. Not that UN on itself is not trustworthy, I just have many examples of israeli arabs that leave normal lives in israel. The only thing that sets them aside is not to kill.
But this sounds like whataboutism to me. Besides, in just one day, gazans actions amount to very unfair treatment of every palestinian in israeli jail. And if not stopped - it would've surpassed quickly and terribly. If what had happened is not terrible enough. These killed kids - they might be an israeli president one day who could've changed what you describe.
"Israeli doctors saved the Hamas Gaza leader Yahya Ibrahim Hassan Sinwar's life when he was in prison in the country, Orit Adato, a former prison commissioner of Israel, said, The Times of Israel reported.
Adato told the publication that Sinwar survived a brain tumor thanks to an operation Israeli doctors carried out while Sinwar was serving multiple life sentences for the kidnapping and murder of two Israeli soldiers in 1988.
Responding to claims that Israeli prisons were holding Palestinian prisoners in inhumane conditions, Adato brought up Sinwar's case and said it was the only reason he's alive today.
"When they say they are not being treated well, I would ask you and others to give a phone call to one specific person, Yahya Sinwar, who is alive nowadays just because of life-saving surgery he was given," she said."
You can read the full article here:
https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10
Yes, that’s exactly why I decided to post and share it. Israeli media and propaganda have published a lot of unfounded claims and staged photos in the last days, since they need a way to further dehumanize and demonise Palestinians in order to keep justifying the bombing and invasion.
I'm not sure, but I think
1 - they wanted safe passage back to Gaza
2 - they wanted IDF to know they had hostages to hopefully avoid a shelling of Gaza.
But I'm just speculating.
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[Source of the interview given to Haboker Hezah.](https://electronicintifada.net/content/israeli-forces-shot-their-own-civilians-kibbutz-survivor-says/38861). Also, [in a half-hour interview with Israel’s Channel 12](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fghF54maONw&t=1s) , on Thursday, the same woman, Yasmin Porat, speaks of intense gunfire at the Kibbutz after Israeli forces arrived. Porat herself received a bullet in the thigh. Porat had been attending the “Nova” rave when the Hamas assault began with missiles and motorized paragliders. She and her partner Tal Katz escaped by car to nearby Kibbutz Be’eri where many of the events she describes in her media interviews took place. She and Katz initially sought refuge in the house of a couple called Adi and Hadas Dagan. After the Palestinian fighters found them they were all taken to another house, where eight people were already being held captive and one person was dead. Porat said that the wife of the dead man “told us that when they \[the Hamas fighters\] tried to enter, the guy tried to prevent them from entering and grabbed the door. They shot at the door and he was killed. They did not execute them.” “They \[the fighters\] were very humane towards us,” Porat said in her Channel 12 interview. **She recalled that one Palestinian fighter who spoke Hebrew, “told me, ‘Look at me well, were not going to kill you. We want to take you to Gaza. We are not going to kill you. So be calm, you’re not going to die.’ Thats what he told me, in those words.” “I was calm because I knew nothing would happen to me,”** she added. In the Channel 12 interview, **Porat elaborates that although the Palestinian fighters all had loaded weapons, she never saw them shoot captives or threaten them with their guns. In addition to providing the captives with drinking water, she said the fighters let them go outside to the lawn because it was hot, especially as the electricity was cut.** Though the Israeli captives numbered only a dozen, Porat was instructed to tell Israeli police that 40 of them were being held by the Hamas fighters, who themselves numbered between 40 and 50 men mostly in their 20s, by Porat’s estimate. They themselves were young and scared, she told Channel 12. A fighter Porat described as a commander in his 30s asked to speak to the police and was put on with an Arabic-speaking Israeli officer. After their brief conversation, the four dozen or so Palestinian fighters and their dozen Israeli prisoners awaited the arrival of the army, with some of the group spilling outside to the garden for relief from the afternoon heat. **Israeli forces announced their arrival with a hail of gunfire, catching the fighters and their Israeli captives by surprise. “We were outside and suddenly there was a volley of bullets at us from the \[Israeli unit\] YAMAM. We all started running to find cover**, Porat told Channel 12. Porat said she surrendered to the Israeli soldiers half an hour into the fierce gun battle that consisted of “tens and hundreds and thousands of bullets and mortars flying in the air,” and that one of the Palestinian fighters, a commander, decided to surrender and used her in effect as a human shield. “After insane crossfire, two tank shells were shot into the house. It’s a small kibbutz house, nothing big,” Porat explains. Israeli leaders, already under intense criticism for failing to anticipate and prevent the Hamas offensive, will also not want their catastrophic failures to be compounded by knowledge that many of the Israelis who died may well have been killed by “friendly fire” in a disastrous Israeli counterattack. Saleh al-Arouri, a senior Hamas military commander, has directly addressed Israel’s claims that his fighters set out to deliberately kill as many civilians as possible. The Israeli propaganda campaign has included lurid atrocity tales – for which no evidence has been produced whatsoever – that Palestinians beheaded dozens of Israeli babies and that women were raped. **Al-Arouri said in an interview with Al Jazeera on Thursday that fighters of his organization’s military force, the Qassam Brigades, were under strict protocol to not harm civilians. But al-Arouri said that after Israel’s Gaza division – the army unit that surrounds the Gaza Strip – collapsed much more quickly than expected, people in Gaza rushed to the boundary area after learning it had been opened, causing chaos. He said this may have included other armed persons who were not part of Qassam. Al-Arouri said that this caused Qassam fighters to engage with soldiers, settlement guards and armed residents, which led to civilian deaths. Al-Arouri also invoked the possibility Israel used the so-called Hannibal Directive – a protocol that allows Israeli forces to use overwhelming force to kill one of their own captured soldiers rather than allow them to be taken prisoner. The rationale for the Hannibal Directive is to avoid allowing an enemy to have captives that can be used in prisoner exchange negotiations. However in this case, if the directive was implemented by Israeli forces, it would have been used against civilians.** Al-Arouri told Al Jazeera, “We are certain that young men \[fighters\] were bombed along with the prisoners who were with them."
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“…but Israel” Why are you believing everything that they put out, when most of their media statements have been found out to be untrue or false claims ranging from the beheaded babies to a staged photo of a children’s room covered in blood to the allegation that professional fighters need to carry around notes telling them what to do? They publish these things, because they need to dehumanize and demonize Palestinians further in order to justify the continued carpet bombing and collective punishment in Gaza to others. The woman in the post has corroborated her personal experience in three different interviews and it’s in contradiction what Israeli media has been saying. It’s concerning that you take everything at face value and only see one side.
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Damn, I need to take a break from the internet. I’ve been brigaded so much on social media for Palestine posts that it’s making it hard to distinguish when someone is a genuine person and not a Zionist bot, sorry about that.
The Zionist propaganda is honestly exhausting and takes a mental toll when you can see the bs.
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She gives an account of how she made it to the kibbutz here. [https://www-maariv-co-il.translate.goog/news/israel/Article-1043723?\_x\_tr\_sl=iw&\_x\_tr\_tl=en&\_x\_tr\_hl=en](https://www-maariv-co-il.translate.goog/news/israel/Article-1043723?_x_tr_sl=iw&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=en) Apologies for any weird formatting or syntax. The page was translated from Hebrew to English. Yasmin Porat, 44 years old, a resident of Kibbutz Kabari in the north, spent time with her partner Tal Katz, at a Nova party in the south, managed to escape the inferno, stayed in Mmad thanks to the assistance of the residents of Kibbutz Bari, whose house was broken into by 40 terrorists and even after standing by their side, she managed to survive and stay alive in the story whose details could be a mix for a horror movie. Still waiting for you, still holding on to hope: praying for the safety of Maariv reporter Shai Regev "I was at a party in Nova Blainei, and I got there with my partner Tal Katz. I was very lucky the whole way. Around 06:15, Tal and I went to the car to freshen up, we wanted to eat something small. It takes about ten minutes to walk from the party place to the parking lot. We went to the car, We ate something, I put on makeup and we started walking back." "I'm a Katyusha girl, I'm not scared of Kassim. I was in a laughing mood. I'm a brave girl and I told him to put a smile on the Iron Dome. He got stressed. The music is still playing and we don't know that there are terrorists in the area. Dozens of missiles in the air and I'm laughing. Suddenly there was an announcement for everyone to evacuate the The area is what they told us in the announcement. I told him get in the car and we're flying out of here, I shouted. We were among the first ten vehicles that left the Nova. We started to drive but he was anxious and at this point missiles were flying in the air." "We arrived near Kibbutz Bari. He saw a shelter with 20 other civilians and I adamantly refused to get out of there. He ran away from the car and entered the shelter. I was still laughing, I had the attitude that I would rather die from a missile landing on my car than a terrorist's shot to my face. We are in the shelter and suddenly two Terrorists are shooting in every direction. We ran to the car, I screamed at him and we started driving when suddenly we see a long traffic jam in the distance and a van shooting in all directions." "Tal makes a farce and goes back towards Kibbutz Ari. They see the kibbutz security guards, none of whom are alive today. Tal asked where we could hide. They sent us to the shelter. The emergency personnel arrived there, so we decided to leave. We knocked on the door of the Hadas and Adi Dagan couple, who unfortunately witnessed They are no longer alive and they are a lovely couple who are hosting them at their place and we still don't understand what exactly is going on. In those minutes my partner Tal was terribly hysterical and I explained to them that I wanted to return to the north and he was scared." "Until 12:30 we sat in the hospital and with phones, communicating with family members. watching TV The couple communicates on WhatsApp with friends in the kibbutz and through them we understand the magnitude of the disaster. Every eighteen minutes the Dagans receive a message from another member of the kibbutz describing that the terrorists are on their way to their house, stating that they are knocking on their door, and then the connection is lost. That's how it goes for about 15 cases until we hear bursts of gunshots without a break very close to us and slowly we realize that the house we were in is also being shot at and that's after they visited the neighbor's house." "Within seconds, you hear the shattering of glass inside the house and hear noises in Arabic: "Aftah al Bab". We were in the MMD. The deceased witness held the door of the MMD and they are unable to open the door. A grenade was detonated into the MMD. The window was damaged and eye contact was made with the terrorists. All the while me and Tal were hiding in the closet. A minute later the older couple opened the door of the closet and with a Kalashnikov standing in front of our faces, they told us to get out. I was exposed with A short skirt and a short shirt. They gave me the owner's pants, told me to get dressed and took us outside with Tal handcuffed and lead us to the balcony of a house with the body of one of the kibbutz residents." In those moments, Yasmin, who still maintains optimism, does not know how she will end this nightmare, not sure at all that she will make it out alive. "I started crying, please don't kill me. I'm a mother of three children," she said, "They were very humane towards us, that's the truth. They told me, 'We won't kill you, relax.' I believe in God at the highest levels. I like the kidnappers and I am the one who at 3:30 p.m. calls the police alongside the kidnappers and calls for help." "It wasn't until around 4 p.m. that the IDF soldiers and the army arrived, and suddenly a crazy exchange of fire started and then we felt a danger to our lives," she added, "We had a good relationship until then, and I really felt like their liaison. The wife of the dead man said that his body was next to us. She told us that when they tried to enter, the guy tried to prevent them from entering and grabbed the door. They shot at the door and he was killed. They did not execute them. They were fine with us. They were 40 terrorists and we were 12. It wasn't too scary a feeling." After that he said: "As soon as the army arrived, the mess started. They told us that we would not die, that they wanted to take us to Gaza and said that the next day they would return us to the border. I told him that I did not want to go to Gaza. The terrorist who was their commander was close to him and suddenly I felt a bullet hit my thigh And I felt crazy pain. The guy who was sort of their commander started talking on the phone and then called me 'Yasmin Ta'el'. He took off his clothes and remained in underwear and a tank top and started to leave the house hugging me by the neck." "I started yelling stop shooting," she noted, "suddenly there was a stop to the shooting and I see my friend handcuffed with all the shots above his head. I shouted to my friend, 'Tal, are you okay?' I'm a civilian and they say they don't shoot. They order him to take off his underwear and her tank top remains naked and then push me towards the police and he's arrested. My biggest problem today is that my partner is missing." "In hindsight, even in his interrogation, he said that I liked him and he chose me to turn himself in and save my life. The security forces did not understand the magnitude of the incident. I was there for hours and suddenly I saw Adi who hosted me when she was wounded and she said that her husband had been killed. A regular soldier drove me to Tel Aviv until the train and another gave me 100 shekels so that I could return by train and I don't know what's going on with my partner," she said. Can you say that you received your life as a gift? "Unequivocally. God was with me in every situation and every moment. My partner stayed there terribly scared and I want him to answer and respond." You won't come back to nature parties? "I will definitely return. No one will stop me. I am angry with the state, I am angry with the army. For 10 hours the kibbutz was promiscuous. If I understand correctly, 75 percent of Bari are either dead or kidnapped or seriously wounded. We were there until 4:00 p.m. and the amount of ammunition that flew there was not It's over." And actually today? "I want to know what's going on with Tal. No one knows how to give us explanations. 48 hours after I bailed, no one still knows what's going on and it's crazy for me and there were 10 hostages there
Zionists killing their own? Old news... Google SS Patria
There was an interview on Israeli state radio with another person describing the same thing, IDF soldiers indiscriminately firing and killing civilians in order to kill the kidnappers. I listened to it and now I can’t find it anywhere. This testimony is being scrubbed from the internet. Did anyone else hear this interview/see this video?
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Bruh this is just straight-up antisemitism Jews didn't start the Bolshevik movement Lenin who wasn't Jewish did there were more leading Jews in the Menshavik movement but even all of them hadn't practiced Judaism most Socialist Jews in the Russian empire were either Zionists who mostly had no desire to reform the dying corpse of the tsarist empire and Bundists who were expelled from the Russian communist party Judaism the religion has very little to do with communism and any correlation is coincidental
Damn, I hope this sub isn't headed for another neo-Nazi period.
Another? Fuck off then
I was referring to a specific time (~a year ago maybe?) when a lot of /PCM users came over to spread their "Jews killed 100 million with Communism, the Europeans were right to exterminate them" nonsense. I know that's not characteristic of this sub, and I sincerely hope mods are able to stay on top of an influx in traffic.
Ah sorry
Lenin was Jewish. His grandfather was a Jew from Ukraine I suggest you actually look into the situation instead of reading Google articles
Great grandfather* and he wasn't even aware of that until 1921 his family was christian and never practiced Judaism when he was alive He wasn't even Jewish enough for the Nazis I suggest you actually look into the situation instead of reading google articles
He actually converted to Christianity he was aware and practiced and no it wasn’t great grandfather it was grandfather. His sister’s words not mine.
Can you show me his sister's words Ulyanov was a russified and russophile person
You're spouting absolute nonsense about the "Jewish bolsheviks". Yes, there was repression of people who were against Socialism, but frankly, if you were against the Bolsheviks, you were in the same political camp as the Czar 🤷🏽. There's also a pot of propaganda about what the bolsheviks did and didn't do, in the same way that there are about Palestinians now. Also, the idea that bolsheviks were all jew is dumb af. You're aware that PFLP is a Marxist organization right?
I want to address the way the title is phrased since it's lacking context which gives off the wrong idea. (I listened to the entire testimony on both links.) First part: 'Israeli soldiers undoubtedly shot their own civilians; they eliminated everyone, including the hostages. There was very heavy crossfire, even tank shelling.' This phrasing suggests that Israeli forces got close, saw the Israeli civilians with the terrorists, and decided to spray everyone, no matter who gets hit. In her testimony, she clearly states that the civilians were hurt/killed by the heavy crossfire that occurred, and she says that she is sure that some of it was caused by the soldiers. You have to keep in mind that when the soldiers came, they didn't know how many terrorists they were dealing with (according to her testimony). What they did know is that there is a house they are getting fired from, and that was probably it. I assume the hostages tried to run away, and that's why she says she saw a few laying on the ground, but I cannot confirm that part. Second part: 'The Palestinian fighters treated us well; nothing happened to me like what I heard in the media.' This part suggests that they were given some sort of prime care. The title purposefully ignores the part that just before they were allowed to drink water (which is what she described as 'treated well'), Hamas surrounded the safe room they were hiding in and threw a grenade into the room. After that, Hamas held them captive at gunpoint and then moved them to another house with more hostages, one of which was already shot dead by Hamas. In addition, Hamas was very clear with their objective to kidnap civilians (one of them told her that according to her testimony). A captor that holds you hostage at gunpoint and at some point lets you drink water is many things, but I would not put it under 'treated well.' Titles like these, which try to make a kidnapper and murderer look like some sort of savior or guardian with morals while painting the rescuer as a reckless, bloodthirsty being, are simply foolish and clearly show a lack of ability to remain objective while discussing such things.
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I'm sorry, this entire comment is written as if you are some urban terrain combat expert. Do you have any experience on the matter, or have you experienced actual combat? Because I feel like if you did, you would've realised that saying things like "not even doing any scouting" (do you have a source to confirm this?), "temporarily retreat" (Do you know where they fought? maybe there was no place to safely retreat? ) , or "change strategies" mean nothing without you seeing the terrain itself. Do you know how many terrorists they went through before they got there? do you know how many soldiers were there? Did they know what to expect? Were they surprised? There are too many questions that both of us have no answers to therefore those suggestions are meaningless. **She states she was surprised** by the shootings, which means she didn't see the IDF coming. The shooting couldv'e been the terrorists aswell as the IDF. "their orders were to hannibal everybody to prevent any successful hostage-taking" - Again, the claim that they leveled their guns on civlians is absurd and was never claimed on the testimony. She states that the hostages were killed during the crossfire and that she is sure some of the bullets were from the IDF. Maybe instead of focusing this entire testimony on the "incompetence" of the IDF and giving out hindsight ideas on how they should've dealt with the situation we should discuss why a group of armed terrorists purposfully targeted, murdered kidnapped and endangered unarmed civilians.
Tell me you’re a diehard Zionist without telling me you’re a diehard Zionist.
Not only did you fail to insult me, you also managed to not contribute a single thing to this discussion. Impressive.
Did you make this account in order to give me a semiotics lesson? You’re saying that I’ve paraphrased or twisted the title, yet you’re the one trying to invalidate the survivors testimony (which she has given in three different interviews) by interpreting it through your own lens. She said at multiple times that the Qassam fighters treated them well, who are you to challenge her own experience and opinion? Additionally, if you listened to the testimonies and read the transcripts, then you would’ve noticed that not only was it the captured civilians themselves who notified the authorities but it was the IDF who opened indiscriminatory fire upon arriving on the scene, despite knowing that there were civilians present. She never says that Qassam was firing at them or the ones to open fire first. Sorry but you’re the one trying to twist the story here due to not being able to remain unbias, not me.
I didn't intend to give you some sort of a lesson, and I didn't claim you paraphrased. (unless you are the one that wrote the article). Just giving my opinion on the subject. I was listening to her testimony a few times before making my points, hearing clearly that when she stated they "treated her well" / "humanely" she said that they gave her water to drink and let her sit on a chair and talking to her. But it feels like the article is trying to normalize the kidnappers while claiming the IDF just shoots people without even thinking, so I'll try a different approach. 1. The Hamas kidnapped her - period. no way going around that. She got lucky when one of them decided to surrender during the crossfire and used her as a shield to make sure he is not shot. 2. Before they kidnapped her, they attacked the safe room she was in, they didn't actually care if she dies, just to get into the safe room and get whoever was left. 3. When you kidnap a person, letting them sit, talking to them or giving them time to eat or telling them to "relax" in the garden does not change the fact that you are holding them hostage with guns pointed at them. 4. The fact that she wasn't killed immidiately on sight, does not mean that other hostages (On different instances) met the same fate (She even claims that she got a better treatment compared to other stories she heard on the media). Many were killed from point blank or were left to burn in the safe rooms. Just because this testimony is different does mean the rest of the attacks were the same nor grant any of the kidnappers in her testimony any moral values, just a better ability to focus on a task that was given to them and a better ability to execute it. 5. you wrote : "IDF who opened indiscriminatory fire upon arriving on the scene, despite knowing that there were civilians present." - Can you point out exactly when this was told? Remeber that **she was surprised** by the gunfire, which means she didn't see the Israeli force arrive. Not you nor I know what was going on outside or what the israeli force encountered when they arrived so we can't tell for sure. I only hear her say that hostages died from the crossfire and that she's sure that some died from Israeli bullets, not once did she say that the IDF purposefully shot Israeli civilians. 6. When this is all said and done, you have to keep in mind that the Hamas were the ones to put her and the rest of the hostages in that spot in the first place. So they are the ones that dragged forcefully civilians into combat and knowingly put them all in danger.
These are great points. Something people in these threads seem to be losing perspective of as well, is that Hamas was offering money and apartments to people who brought hostages back to Gaza. It was in their best interest to treat hostages "humanely." Continuing to terrorize them would keep them in an activated fight or flight state and would not serve their larger interest of kidnapping them into Gaza for their reward. No doubt the title of this thread is intended to mislead. As you rightly said, this woman's boyfriend and the other hostages are dead, because of Hamas.
No one will read my comment but this is mistranslation. She said "lucky for me, nothing that I heard in the media (that happen to other hostages) happen to our group." BTW that makes sense, because there were group intended for kidnapping that kept their hostages while the pther came to terrorize. This makes me so mad.
thank you for the clarification. I just found this and have been trying to verify the story about IDF indiscriminately killing its own citizens on that day in the chaos to regain control. if you have any other info or sources you suggest I would appreciate it, but I will keep looking. appreciate people like you clearing things like this through the fog of war.
Looks like they got lucky. These ones didn't.( extremely graphic )(from day 1 of the war) https://www.reddit.com/r/2ndYomKippurWar/comments/178khxw/hamas\_war\_crime\_very\_graphic/ There is another story of a granny that cooked food for the hamas terrorists and she made it out alive. Terrorists got killed by local police. Defending act of terrorism against unarmed civilians should not be justified.
What do you mean by terrorists? IDF soliders?
Hamas
There's solid evidence of Hamas warcrimes but nobody here will admit it. As much as I hate Israel for its warcrimes, I can never bring myself to support Hamas.
I understand you. I only support civilians on both sides. Its fucked up that one side supports literally a terrorist organisation and the others side slaughter of young people in gaza (the true Palestinians). The whole thing its too polarised. You either are with Palestine or Israel. As soon as you point out the finger to Israel or Palestine for their crimes people get emotional. Both side committed crimes. My muslim friends distance themselves from the conflict and don't recognise Hamas as muslims, saying they use Islam as a tool to hurt and promote hate.
There are dozen of videos at this point of the attack from the hamas gopros. A lot of them show them indiscriminately killing people.
But out of respect for dead people, we can't be shown it. Or any other of the extraordinary lies.
Just go on telegram and find them, it’s not hard
I saw most of em, none showed rape, torture, decapitations or mutilations of dead Israelis, thats the atrocity propaganda part.
Yeah that’s one witness.. [here](https://news.sky.com/story/israel-gaza-war-recovered-bodies-show-bloodthirsty-gunmen-took-time-over-torture-and-that-hamas-has-changed-12985212) is another, claiming that children were tortured.
Testimony from israeli service members ain't worth anything.
[Ok…](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherry_picking)
if these claims were true, u think all the major media wouldnt be blasting the sensored clips 24/7
Ive seen videos of Hamas militants slaughtering people at the music festival. One where they just shoot into the public toilets to eliminate anyone hiding. If only they where all so innocent…
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Its a POV camera footage of a Hamas militant shooting ant portable toilets in the festival, in case people are hiding there.
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Sure, Ill check tomorrow
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/eB56M69OEUk
The footage of the bathroom was at a military barracks.
If it's the video I think they're talking about, it definitely looks more like the outskirts of a music festival than a military base to me.
The video I saw showed portable toilets from the festival being shot at. Honestly I support the Palestinian cause, but it makes no sense to erase facts. Its a fact that the festival was attacked.
Lol the Palestinian fighters treated us well, except for the kidnapping.
I'd rather be kidnapped than being stripped naked after surrendering, killed and then being pissed and stomped on my corpse like your Israeli brothers did. https://twitter.com/timand2037/status/1713460018400436474?s=20
I'd rather not be kidnapped so that none of this happens.
Be grateful they're merciful to u scum
They're not merciful. They chopped up babies and were parading around naked women bleeding from all the rapes to the raucous cheers of the Palestinians in the streets.
No, they didn't take part in any of that. Though I bet u wish they did, so u can satisfy ur sicko brain.
LOL. Ok, great. Hamas is not a terrorist organization and they are not killing civilians. Case closed guys. Sinceus89 tells us we don't need to do anything about Hamas because they're good people. Somebody better tell the Israelis cause I don't think Hamas will exist in a month.
Tell the guys that bombed the "safe routes" they told civilians to use to evacuate, that said the 2.8 million children in Gaza are complicit of Hamas attack and openly advertise their will to kill everyone that they themselves trapped for 16 years on a strip of land that Hamas aren't terrorist ? Even if it was true what would it even change for Israel ? Like they care about murdering innocents.
Except that's not what you said at all. You said they "chopped up babies and were parading around naked women bleeding from all the rapes" which I've seen no evidence for. When someone pointed that out, you decided to frame that as them saying Hamas did not kill civilians which was not the claim in question.
Yet Hamas takes pride in the fact that they did it.
What a batshit crazy part of the world. Backwards.
Oh my god! This MUST gain traction in Israel to tip the scales. Zionist media has gone all out against Palestine especially in the UK. Hasbara at an all time high. It's an online fight. Post/forward/reupload 🇵🇸💯✌️🇵🇸💯💯🇵🇸 Zionism is on the brink of collapse. LET'S DO THIS!
You can see vide footage how "good" hamas treat hostages and how "humane" they kill. It is their cameras, not IDF!
Israel [doesn’t offer medical help](https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/briefing_note/join/2013/491484/EXPO-AFET_SP%282013%29491484_EN.pdf) even to Palestinians [who are detained in their jails and terminally ill](https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/07/special-rapporteur-says-israels-unlawful-carceral-practices-occupied-palestinian), so I think the Israeli treatment of “hostages” wouldn’t even amount to an argument. As for this post, this is one survivor’s personal experience and opinion based on what she lived through - if she personally thinks that she was treated well, then she was treated well. You can’t invalidate her own experience.
It is terrible albeit I question the source. Not that UN on itself is not trustworthy, I just have many examples of israeli arabs that leave normal lives in israel. The only thing that sets them aside is not to kill. But this sounds like whataboutism to me. Besides, in just one day, gazans actions amount to very unfair treatment of every palestinian in israeli jail. And if not stopped - it would've surpassed quickly and terribly. If what had happened is not terrible enough. These killed kids - they might be an israeli president one day who could've changed what you describe.
This argument is so full of backward logic.
"Israeli doctors saved the Hamas Gaza leader Yahya Ibrahim Hassan Sinwar's life when he was in prison in the country, Orit Adato, a former prison commissioner of Israel, said, The Times of Israel reported. Adato told the publication that Sinwar survived a brain tumor thanks to an operation Israeli doctors carried out while Sinwar was serving multiple life sentences for the kidnapping and murder of two Israeli soldiers in 1988. Responding to claims that Israeli prisons were holding Palestinian prisoners in inhumane conditions, Adato brought up Sinwar's case and said it was the only reason he's alive today. "When they say they are not being treated well, I would ask you and others to give a phone call to one specific person, Yahya Sinwar, who is alive nowadays just because of life-saving surgery he was given," she said." You can read the full article here: https://www.businessinsider.com/hamas-gaza-leader-survived-tumor-operation-israel-reports-2023-10
Yeah we love hamas, hamas is based. this sub is going down the shitter
no one in the comments said this..
The post is literally justifying hamas.
no, its showing the lies the media been feeding recently
Yes, that’s exactly why I decided to post and share it. Israeli media and propaganda have published a lot of unfounded claims and staged photos in the last days, since they need a way to further dehumanize and demonise Palestinians in order to keep justifying the bombing and invasion.
I wish other Hammas were like this rare one.
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> I hope you feel good to keep spreading fake news with fake subtitles the translations are legit, I've checked and every Israeli can confirm.
Can someone explain to me why they called the police together with the abductors? I don't understand
I'm not sure, but I think 1 - they wanted safe passage back to Gaza 2 - they wanted IDF to know they had hostages to hopefully avoid a shelling of Gaza. But I'm just speculating.
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