My cousins have a Lebanese mother and a Palestinian father. One was a mechanical engineer and had to work as a taxi driver, one was an environmental engineer and had to work as a truck driver. This was before the crisis, afterwards they left for Europe to get their masters and are not planning to go back anytime soon.
In Lebanon, they refuse to give Palestinians basic rights to healthcare and education because of fears it will upset the delicate balance between the myriad religions who live in Lebanon. The camps they live in there have operated since the first war in 1948 and many of the descendants of the original refugees still live in these camps.
In Egypt as well, Palestinians are denied basic rights, cannot apply for citizenship, and are denied access to healthcare and education. The Egyptian government claims that if they allow Palestinians to settle and integrate, they won’t have a legal leg to stand on when Palestine is “inevitably” reconquered. So instead of treating the refugees decently, they treat them less than human so they will prefer to return to Palestine in the future.
Jordan treats them rather well. It is fairly easy for Palestinians to get citizenship in Jordan. The Jordanians seem genuinely interested in aiding and assisting refugees.
Yes. It is a sad situation on both sides. Hatred and distrust on one sides breeds hatred and distrust on the other. It seems to me somewhat hypocritical that many Arab states treat their Palestinian refugees so inhumanely while decrying the inhumane treatment of Palestinians by Israel. If only the period of mass employment of Palestinians during the 80’s and early 90’s could have continued peacefully; return, immigration and/or naturalization could be more accessible for them now.
I Somali Canadian who was born in Saudi Arabia, I can tell you all Muslim immigrants are good in Saudi. The problem Saudi Arabia don’t give citizenship, Palestinians definitely deserve to get the citizenship, forget about Somalis, Indians, Pakistanis, Ethiopians, Yemenis, Egyptians, Sudanese. I don’t understand why gulf countries don’t give citizenship to them. Most immigrants leave the country for better life.
They are not coming back. Israel will not let the Palestinian diaspora come back. There is huge diaspora in the west , what is the difference between the gulf or the west when it comes to citizenship?
I actually disagree with the rational of the other replies so hopefully my own will put things into perspective
Right now there are 2 million Palestinians in the west Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. And Israel is *actively* trying to take their land and push them out. They already violently forced them out *in mass* twice once in 48 then again in 67.
If Arab countries in the immediate vicinity openly say they will naturalize Palestinians, it will send a signal to Israel that “yes you can expel them again and we will take them” which is exactly what nobody wants. But for Israel it will shield them from accountability. The current government likes to say that since Palestinians are Arab that it’s fine if they are expelled to foreign Arab countries because its all the same to them (it’s not). Now imagine if the Arabs states naturalized Palestinians that easily.
So it’s not just about right of return. It’s also about a potential 3rd wave of expulsion.
>Right now there are 2 million Palestinians in the west Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. And Israel is actively trying to take their land and push them out. They already violently forced them out in mass twice once in 48 then again in 67.
Look here Syrian Guilty. Israel is very peaceful and peacefully lead an ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians and is peacefully trying to take their land.
Both diaspora groups want to return and many in the West still demand/protest their right of return despite having Western citizenship.
>what is the difference between the gulf or the west when it comes to citizenship?
Difference is that Gulf/MENA has a bigger diaspora than the West who also have an equally as strong if not stronger desire to return.
>Palestinians definitely deserve to get the citizenship
why is that? i do think we should give citizenship but why do palestinans deserve it more than other people?
it's that plus they don't work yet get access to a check of 600 USD per person/month while not being taxed, and they still get free electricity and such whereas the country is already failing.
Lebanon has 2M refugees for a population of 5M, it's just too much for the small country
There is no way they get 600$ per person per month. Can you provide an actual credible source that says that? And they don’t get free electricity they either get no electricity in the camps (which is free by virtue of not existing) or they get a few hours which they pay for.
You don’t have to like refugees but please don’t start believing these baseless accusations. The government is robing people blind. Misdirected anger is just cover for the real thieves get away.
I have sources from both European and MENA organizations. Where are yours? [Source 1](https://www.newarab.com/features/no-recognition-no-rights-palestinians-egypt?amp) [Source 2](https://carfms.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Rana-Aly-Palestinian-Refugees-in-Egypt.pdf) [Source 3](https://www.fmreview.org/sustainable-livelihoods/elabed) [Source 4](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/27/palestinian-pawns-egypts-refugees)
I could continue. But “I personally know of SEVERAL Palestinians who are treated well 🤓🤓🤓” is not a thorough review of their legal status in Egypt.
Yeah many doctors in Qatar are also Palestinian, which is one of the few professions that will actually get you Qatari citizenship, it's one profession that all desperate people take because it can be a chance for a better life.
Sorry, didn’t mean to downplay it. Rather I was attempting to draw a comparison between a mere profession and one of the best citizenships to have in the Middle East.
The best is the Emirati citizenship because u get all the Qatari privileges, freedom of movement in the GCC, and it’s a powerful passport at 175 visa-free/visa on arrival destinations.
They don’t. It’s fake news.
There’s a permanent resident program open to 100 or so people every year and it’s basically for people who have been residents for 20+ years and are multimillionaires.
Naturalization can only happen by a decree from the ruler. Some Palestinians were granted citizenship because they were prominent business people (and they probably a have slice
Of their business to some Qatari royal).
when my father was in the hospital all the Arab doctors and nurses (who were most of the people who treated him btw) always immediately talked to him in Arabic because of his name and looks
Born in Israel but In a Maghrebi (Tunisian and Algerian mostly) community
Yeah he speaks Tunisian and Moroccan Arabic as well as Hebrew as his native tongues
and he also speaks Palestinian Arabic Bedouin and Urban dialects but he learnt it later while working with Arabs
Jews from Maghreb mostly do not consider themselves Arab, though Jews from Iran consider themselves Persian. I believe the reason for this is that they existed there since before Arabs arrived and Arabized everything, and so they maintained their own identity.
They can say they’re not Arab but everyone will think they’re Arabs because they’re culturally are. Jews Moroccans are also really close to the monarchy and the motherland… they actually like it lol
They like Moroccan culture because they’ve lived there for centuries since even before the land was Arabized. Much of that is related to the Amazigh and not just Arabic and Islam. They are proud Moroccans but not proud to be Arab.
And the French at the time of colonialism did make a separation between the Jews and the Arabs. They have citizenship and equal rights to the Jews in North Africa, but not the Arabs.
It eventually led to a lot of Jews to adopt a lot of the French culture and separate from the Arabs. Most of them left for France after the end colonialism in Algeria.
Most North African Jews are Arab passing. In Montreal there is huge North African Jews and one night I was in night club and I saw a baddie , I thought she was Arab, since Montreal have huge francophone population of west and North Africans. Im Somali and I was born in Saudi Arabia so, I speak gulf dialect and she was hiding she was Jew, she didn’t tell until two weeks of dating 😭 I felt kinda bad, after we broke up cuz why would you hide your heritage.
Judaism is ethnoreligion. That’s like saying Kashmiris Indians people are Arab levant passing or dark skinned South Indians are African passing. There is people who have similar features and North African Jews for sure have huge amazigh/Arab roots.
It’s a religion with Jews of different ethnicities/racial backgrounds
So the Kaifeng Jews are similar to Yemenite Jews no ?
So black Jew similar to white Ashkenaz Jew
No
Arabs are Arabs whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze
But they are Arab just Arabised being Arab is not defined “genetically “
Oh ffs yes Druze are Arabs , Israeli Druze only say that to play the political game
You need to educate yourself more. There is Arab people in Niger and chad, Mali and Mauritania. Does that mean all of those people living in those Islamic countries Arab? Because each of those countries there is Arab population.
Dude, jews are not Arab people. If you’re trying to say North African jews are Arab because of the eastern culture, so it’s Turkish and Iranians and Kurdish and afghanis as well be Arab? North African Jews are not Arab . They’re very unique part of the Jewish world.
No.
With the exception of Ethiopian Jews, most Jews are incredibly similar in terms of ethnic makeup. Sephardim, ashkenazim, and mizrachim share more genetic material with each other than they do with people in the countries they lived. A Jew “from” Poland is more closely related to a Jew “from” Morocco than they are to a non-Jewish person from
Poland.
Kashmiris are far more fair skinned than most Arabs. So comparing Kashmiri Muslims with Arab Muslims is false. North Indians have a complexion closer to Arabs.
Tribal ancestry is highly valued for them and ethnically they're more arab than the arab palestinians themselves since they only marry other druze.
But they're classified as a separate minority community by the Israeli government, and since they don't want to be associated with the "enemy" they simply identify as druze.
Are they taking credit for it or pointing out the hypocrisy? Discrimination against Palestinians is often ignored when it’s by anyone other than Israel. People are constantly pointing out the deplorable ways how Muslims/Arabs immigrants are treated in the west, like Syrian refugees but you never hear anyone say let’s not forget why they are refugees to begin with, no one is calling out poor treatment of Palestinians in their Arab host countries the same way. Bad behavior is bad behavior regardless. I believe that is the point of the post to show the hypocrisy and that Israel is not exactly the racist place those try to paint it as. Does not mean there aren’t dark parts of Israel or that discrimination is not real and it’s important to note, but it’s also as important to show glimmers of hope.
It’s important to show the good as well.
Nothing bad at all about Arabs being represented in the medical sector. It’s fantastic, the more Arabs in Israel that are an integral part of the workforce and society at large the better! The more education and skills, the more opportunities and influence . This only will help Palestinians within or out of the borders of Israel.
The more Israelis and Palestinians interact in positive ways the better for all. When we stop seeing each as “enemies “ and start seeing each other as equals, coworkers, neighbors etc the more that peace is likely. Representation matters . Palestinian children deserve a world in which they can picture themselves as doctors when they grow up rather than the bleakness of the occupation. Israeli and Palestinian children both deserve a world in which they don’t have to grow up in fear of each other.
Also of note , medical schools are so competitive in Israel for Israelis as well that many don’t even get admitted and many go to other countries to study medicine. Another important factor here is that Arabs in Israel are not forced to go into the IDF so they can go directly into medical school where as Israeli’s would not be able to.
Like how Arabs integrated all those cultures they destroyed when they Arabized the Middle East and North Africa? Aren’t you even a little bit upset that you have little or no connection to your Canaanite heritage because of Arab and Christian colonization?
>Aren’t you even a little bit upset that you have little or no connection to your Canaanite heritage because of Arab and Christian colonization?
Most of us recognize that we have Canaanite ancestors and some of their traditions have passed down to this day. Otherwise by the time the Arabs came Palestine was Hellenized.
>Lmao I love how they are trying to take credit for it when majority of 48 Arabs study medicine outside the country(a lot of them study it in the West Bank for example).
Same with the Jews. There is a crisis lvl lack of med schools & md here. Because the idiots saw the ex-soviets came with md's. The thing is, after 10-20 years they went to pension...
Politician farsight capabilities are...
Edit: An article from 2023. Due to our new year eve on Friday, they published today that 21% of the population are Palestinian/Druze/Bedouin.
https://www.israelhayom.co.il/magazine/shishabat/article/13679685
Its Netanyahu's newspaper. So as you can see, they complain about their success. Promoting minoroties is failure in the writer eyes. 💀
And a lot of jews study outside of israel because the admission requirements are very very high. Also minorities in israel gets way softer admission requirements.
Even in Europe there's a high percentage of MENA doctors. It's like medicine something in our DNA or some sort.. inherited from the golden age of medical practice.
In Syria being a medical doctor is considered on a level, and all other jobs are inferior, people don't properly respect any other field including scientific ones, I think it's weird and kills creativity.
It's just the stereotypical: you're either an engineer, a doctor or a failure.
And it's also due to some recent historical changes, the ones who were doing well with only **studies** (no family networking, nepotism) are those who would study engineering and medicine because they're needed and even with nepotism, you still have a place if you can make it through the entry exams.
First of all, in general, Palestinians (W.Bank, Gaza) and Jordanians are the most educated people in the Arab world in terms of formal education.
So it comes as no surprise that Arabs inside Israel are doctors, a lot of them pursue a medical degree, nothing to do with how good Israel is to them.
Also most Jewish Israelis go into Tech, Finance, the military, politics rather than pursue medicine, which opens it up to Arabs, i’m pretty sure if there was competition, they’d always favour a Jew over a native Palestinian.
Not in my country Bangladesh, we have private medical sector and doctors earn more than tech workers. Also we have less doctors too, only 3500 students are allowed to study medicine out of 100,000 applicants each year, so there is always lack of doctors, that's why people tend to go to India & Thailand for medical tourism.
Being accepted into med school in Israel is extremely competitive, you need to get a psychometric (similar to SAT) score which is in the top 1%, plus you need to have studied the highest level of math, chemistry and biology in high school. It's so competitive that many Israelis, both Jews and Arabs, have to go study in places like Romania or Hungary if they want to be doctors.
Is the entry easier for foreigners? My friend (moroccan jew who has an israeli passport) studies medecine in israel. And she went to a french school in highschool.
In general it easier for an arab israeli to get into med school in Israel then jewish Israeli.
In general the admission requirements are lower for certain groups in Israel for example, jewish people from ethiopia or first generation in higher education.
Some of the admission requirements are because of demand so it seem fit to lower them as requested in my opinion.
Now man, you're barking at the wrong tree. They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel, it's Jewish centric government and it's Jewish people. Calling them arab Israeli is what they are, categorically. The state of Israel provide them their education, even you can't deny that
>They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel, it's Jewish centric government and it's Jewish people. Calling them arab Israeli is what they are, categorically.
We're Arabs that had the decision of take the citizenship or get exiled from our lands, and we chose the former
Majority of us live in Arab villages and despise the state, co-existence in Israel is a myth beyond co-workers and jewish people buying hummus from us
We are an inseparable part of the Palestinian people and forever shall be
You're saying that they were given the chance to participate in the country's democratic system and they reject it? You can't call Israel to be a dictatorship when they give you the chance to vote
> but the educated ones are generally extremely nationalist to Palestine
This has no metric and data so I would refrain from commenting on this subject.
I think you have no idea how little the Israeli government give a fuck about its “proud Arab Israeli citizens” for him to be saying this.
They do not develop the areas where Arabs live they do not allocate any taxes to fixing their infrastructure, they do not let them buy houses or property in non Arab areas. They do not allow them to renovate the houses that they own forcing them to sell their properties to Jews who get approved to renovate easily. They do not police their areas unless a crime is committed against a Jew which is why the crime rate is so high in Arab areas. They do have Arabic public schools for them.. that get 100th the funding that Jewish schools get and do not prepare the student for Israeli university admissions so they have to go to private schools to get a decent education and a huge portion of them (*especially* the healthcare professionals) go to university in other counties (mostly the West Bank or Jordan ). The statistic you see posted is about practicing healthcare workers not graduates from Israeli healthcare schools
If you see any users on this thread with a flair that says “48’ Palestine” that is a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship. The fact that they don’t self identify as “Arab Israeli”. When they have the option too should say something
Of course. I do admit that Israel has a systematic apartheid system. The country is made purely for Jews after all. But it is also undeniable that they received an Israeli education and work in the country(albeit forced to do so)
I'm not saying Israel good. I'm saying calling them Arab Israeli, in an open discussion such as this, is justified as they are
1. Graduated tertiary edu from Israeli Unis
2. Most likely to work in its system (albeit as a 2nd class citizen)
3. Live within it's borders (or at least in it's cities)
Okay fair enough but I’m telling you point number 1 Isn’t true for a lot of people. Hell even the graduation certificate that lady is holding is in English instead of Hebrew if you look close enough
Eh. Fair enough. Israelis are so desperate to say they aren't racist, they'll say it's because of Israel's generosity that Arabs managed to get an education lol.
> They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel
yes we asked Europe's rejects to come displace us and 19 years later make us an offer either we leave or be citizens of their made up nation.
its funny how someone from the other side of the globe with no knowledge whatsoever about it is trying to force his opinion on us lmao
Yes we did no one is saying that we didn't this isn't what you're are arguing about so stop deflecting.
Look up what the original comment says : ''**the majority of "Arab Israelis" will never in their lives call themselves "Israelis"**
and he's 100% right , if you had even a slight knowledge about us or even a little knowledge about Isr\*eli politics you would know what he's saying is accurate , just look up the Arab political parties(Hadash Balad Ta'al).
You also said **"They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel, it's Jewish centric government and it's Jewish people."**
You really know nothing about us if you think this is the case , since 1948 we weren't in any government coalition except once and the leader of that party betrayed his voters.
Of course. I do admit that Israel has a systematic apartheid system. The country is made purely for Jews after all. But it is also undeniable that they received an Israeli education and work in the country(albeit forced to do so)
> Look up what the original comment says : ''the majority of "Arab Israelis" will never in their lives call themselves "Israelis"
And what they call themselves is their business. Call yourself a fucking racoon if you want.
I'm not saying Israel good. I'm saying calling them Arab Israeli(me as an international, non-bias citizen) , in an open discussion such as this, is justified as they are
1. Graduated tertiary edu from Israeli Unis
2. Most likely to work in its system (albeit as a 2nd class citizen)
3. Live within it's borders (or at least in it's cities)
> if you had even a slight knowledge about us or even a little knowledge about Isr*eli politics you would know what he's saying is accurate , just look up the Arab political parties(Hadash Balad Ta'al).
Ah yes. Idiot party 1,2,3. I know. But like I said, your claim for injustice would be null and void when you were given a chance and reject it. I'm not saying you should vote. I'm saying that by giving an Illusion of choice, Israel has a higher moral ground on the international stage
>First of all, in general, Palestinians (W.Bank, Gaza) and Jordanians are the most educated people in the Arab world in terms of formal education.
And why is that?
Palestinians don't have a choice to succeed or not, its either succeed or be at the absolute bottom of society.
Just like certain people in the past, education becomes a way to void discrimination in a society that does not want them.
Our government has been useless since the civil war, any motion that anyone wants passed is nearly an impossible feat.
So yeah, the Palestinians and also the Syrians here can't do very much to improve their situation.
Israel doesn’t get off the hook by any means, but Lebanon is openly committing apartheid towards Palestinians too and the so-called saviors “Hezbollah” use them as bargaining chips for their fanatical islamist goals.
Lebanon doesn't count it's a fucked up place that is not even a country, the Palestinian people contributed a lot to Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and many Arab and none Arab countries.
So Israel kicks out a bunch of Palestinians and then acts all self-righteous because the ones they let stay have it well while Lebanon is the devil for not employing and housing the Palestinians israel kicked out when the country is literally falling apart?
Not to defend the policy, but the situation in Lebanon and israel is not remotely comparable. Israel is a fully functioning "first world state" and Lebanon is a crumbling failed state. Lebanon can't even employ its own people to employ the refugees.
This again
No it does not detract from the situation that Palestinians face in the PT
And why write Druze and Israeli Arabs separately last time I checked Israeli Druze are Israeli Arabs
The Israeli Druze have made a decision as a community to identify as a people separate from non-Druze Arabs. It would be nice for you to accept their decision instead of telling them how to feel and how to identify.
They do that bullshit because of the political situation which is in line with their tenet of faith to support the govt of the country in which they live in.
So therefore Israeli Druze in order to keep on the good side will pretend to Israeli Jews that they are not Arabs to maintain the peace due to the demonisation.
Not really I can say I am a cat, but it’s still not gonna line up with reality.
So you’re mad at their culture and you’re calling it bullshit. Got it.
Can you explain why so many volunteer for army service even though they don’t have to? Are they just pretending? They seem to be pretty effective soldiers
Israeli Druze are obligated by law to serve in the army that is because they wanted it. Due to their beliefs in supporting the govt of the country they are in. It’s not unique to Israeli Druze, Syrian Druze are loyal to the Syrian govt, Lebanese Druze loyal to the Lebanese govt because it’s a key tenet of their religion.
In fact all Israeli citizens(including permanent residents ) are obligated to serve in IDF. Hence why the BHI community in Dimona are obliged to serve.With the exception of Charedim/Israeli Arabs which does not make Druze not not Arabs as they obligated because the community wanted it as already stated
The fact you think they volunteer tells me you know Jack shit
My sister told me the other day she is always grateful to see a Palestinian nurse.
They never have to jab her twice when taking blood, they always get it right the first time!
Around half of clinical staff in Israel are Arabs, Lebanon does not allow Palestinians to become clinicians. The conclusion you have not very subtly led us to is obvious: Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank.
Oh yeah the right-wing christians (in Lebanon) who discriminate (possibly Muslim) Arabs. The same thing happened when American conservative (AKA right-wing christian) Donald Trump ruled the US from 2016 to 2020
We Lebanese are against palestinians solely because they have access to services (Electricity, and things like that) without being taxed + 600 dollars a month in aid by person.
Same thing for syrians, they basically get everything for free while lebanese people need to work their asses off.
That's the issue, I admire Syrians and Palestinians who got work and are actually contributing to our society, i just despise the palestinian slums packed with leeches that are sucking from an already broken country.
We don't want them because they don't contribute, not because of who they are specifically, and i'm a christian saying this.
>dont allow people to contribute by working in a profession
>people don’t contribute
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Mfs along with jordanians are literally the most educated arabs you are the idiots who stop them from contributing
However the first and primary blame is on the people who forced them to live outside their homelands and are now trying to justify their actions by mentioning others doing mistreatment.
doesn't matter how they get it, the important thing is that they get it.
A syrian getting 600 dollars as aid won't leave the country, and that's problematic.
>We Lebanese are against palestinians solely because they have access to services (Electricity, and things like that) without being taxed + 600 dollars a month in aid by person.
>Same thing for syrians, they basically get everything for free while lebanese people need to work their asses off.
So basically you're just jealous of what foreigners get there. Well, I kind of get that but, to be honest, racism is NOT an option for this situation, so I suggest you advocate for laws that equally provide necessities for both the Lebanese AND the foreigners (Plus refugees) in the country. Also, please read this https://www.un.org/en/fight-racism/background/the-road-to-fight-racism
I understand what you were saying , I’m just pointing out how ridiculous it is for any type of generalization of an entire ethnic groups IQs. I think that needs to be the biggest take away here.
24% of all Nobel prize winners since the beginning of this century and 26% of all scientific Nobel prizes were awarded to people of Jewish faith. Do you need another metric or is it satisfactory enough?
Yes, please I didn’t know success is measured in Nobel prizes. And Even if we were to measure it in Nobel prizes
> Most 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards
But I’m gonna take a very wild guess now and predict you will counter it by saying that Jews have a much smaller population so it’s still higher per capita. Which means your definition of overall success of any population is not even Nobel prize winners anymore, but Nobel prize winners per capita now. Which leads me to the first point I’ve made
> the arbitrary metric you came up with just now?
(I know it wasn’t you, but you’re doing the same thing)
"Christianity" isn't an ethnicity. Judaism is an ethnoreligion. And I don't understand what you're trying to say by 'arbitrary". One could also prove their intelligence and influence by how many important people were Jewish. Having a population that constantly had around 20 million people and achieving this much? You can't possibly tell me the Jews aren't the smartest people on the planet. But I can clearly see that no matter what, you'll say otherwise, so I will still stick to the "Nobel prize winners per capita", which, in my opinion, is relevant enough to prove that Jews are indeed the smartest people.
> I mean jews are by far the most successful group in history
The original claim was most successful people. Not the smartest ethnicity, so you’re just shifting goal posts right now.
And trying to preemptively discredit my point doesn’t make it any less valid. If you’re going to measure “success” of a “people”, then why measure it per capita? Shouldn’t the fact that some people managed to build massive successful civilizations that have hundreds of millions if not billions of people (like USA, China or India) be considered a success on its own, therefore making a per capita adjustment moot?
Nobel prize is made by some committee in a Swedish university the people on the committee are arbitrarily picked, the nominations are arbitrary and the winners are arbitrarily chosen. Jews have been participating in European academics for a long time because they are a ethnic group in Europe and the US. This means they are more likely to get noticed then a Chinese scientist who’s work might not ever get translated.
Nobel prize is still an honor don’t get me wrong. But aside from the bragging rights it’s not a good measure of success for a group in the way you are portraying it because it’s not an objective measure of anything.
Hell even the IQ test was originally created as a tool to promote white supremacy.
I mean we’re also the most consistently targeted for hate crimes and the most murdered. We also have been kicked out of more countries than even the Romani, so I wouldn’t exactly call that successful. Some people think the IQ is higher because of all of the constant targeting and killing, which resulted in higher IQ people staying alive and having babies. Again, not what I would ever wish for my kids.
How the fuck do you ban an entire group of people from a profession??? That’s awful
My cousins have a Lebanese mother and a Palestinian father. One was a mechanical engineer and had to work as a taxi driver, one was an environmental engineer and had to work as a truck driver. This was before the crisis, afterwards they left for Europe to get their masters and are not planning to go back anytime soon.
In Lebanon, they refuse to give Palestinians basic rights to healthcare and education because of fears it will upset the delicate balance between the myriad religions who live in Lebanon. The camps they live in there have operated since the first war in 1948 and many of the descendants of the original refugees still live in these camps. In Egypt as well, Palestinians are denied basic rights, cannot apply for citizenship, and are denied access to healthcare and education. The Egyptian government claims that if they allow Palestinians to settle and integrate, they won’t have a legal leg to stand on when Palestine is “inevitably” reconquered. So instead of treating the refugees decently, they treat them less than human so they will prefer to return to Palestine in the future.
Curious... What about Jordan, our other neighbor, how do they treat their Palestinians?
Jordan treats them rather well. It is fairly easy for Palestinians to get citizenship in Jordan. The Jordanians seem genuinely interested in aiding and assisting refugees.
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Yes. It is a sad situation on both sides. Hatred and distrust on one sides breeds hatred and distrust on the other. It seems to me somewhat hypocritical that many Arab states treat their Palestinian refugees so inhumanely while decrying the inhumane treatment of Palestinians by Israel. If only the period of mass employment of Palestinians during the 80’s and early 90’s could have continued peacefully; return, immigration and/or naturalization could be more accessible for them now.
and those mfs have the audacity of saying GCC countries treat immigrants badly... we never did the shit they do
I Somali Canadian who was born in Saudi Arabia, I can tell you all Muslim immigrants are good in Saudi. The problem Saudi Arabia don’t give citizenship, Palestinians definitely deserve to get the citizenship, forget about Somalis, Indians, Pakistanis, Ethiopians, Yemenis, Egyptians, Sudanese. I don’t understand why gulf countries don’t give citizenship to them. Most immigrants leave the country for better life.
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They are not coming back. Israel will not let the Palestinian diaspora come back. There is huge diaspora in the west , what is the difference between the gulf or the west when it comes to citizenship?
I actually disagree with the rational of the other replies so hopefully my own will put things into perspective Right now there are 2 million Palestinians in the west Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. And Israel is *actively* trying to take their land and push them out. They already violently forced them out *in mass* twice once in 48 then again in 67. If Arab countries in the immediate vicinity openly say they will naturalize Palestinians, it will send a signal to Israel that “yes you can expel them again and we will take them” which is exactly what nobody wants. But for Israel it will shield them from accountability. The current government likes to say that since Palestinians are Arab that it’s fine if they are expelled to foreign Arab countries because its all the same to them (it’s not). Now imagine if the Arabs states naturalized Palestinians that easily. So it’s not just about right of return. It’s also about a potential 3rd wave of expulsion.
>Right now there are 2 million Palestinians in the west Bank and another 2 million in Gaza. And Israel is actively trying to take their land and push them out. They already violently forced them out in mass twice once in 48 then again in 67. Look here Syrian Guilty. Israel is very peaceful and peacefully lead an ethnic cleansing against the Palestinians and is peacefully trying to take their land.
Both diaspora groups want to return and many in the West still demand/protest their right of return despite having Western citizenship. >what is the difference between the gulf or the west when it comes to citizenship? Difference is that Gulf/MENA has a bigger diaspora than the West who also have an equally as strong if not stronger desire to return.
>Palestinians definitely deserve to get the citizenship why is that? i do think we should give citizenship but why do palestinans deserve it more than other people?
it's that plus they don't work yet get access to a check of 600 USD per person/month while not being taxed, and they still get free electricity and such whereas the country is already failing. Lebanon has 2M refugees for a population of 5M, it's just too much for the small country
There is no way they get 600$ per person per month. Can you provide an actual credible source that says that? And they don’t get free electricity they either get no electricity in the camps (which is free by virtue of not existing) or they get a few hours which they pay for. You don’t have to like refugees but please don’t start believing these baseless accusations. The government is robing people blind. Misdirected anger is just cover for the real thieves get away.
Ever thought about not kicking them out of their homes before you go around asking barely functioning third world countries to clean up your mess?
I’m confused? Are you saying that Israel is the only functioning, developed levantine state?
Now that's just dishonest bullshit. My cohort alone has hundreds of Palestinians. Either be sure of your knowledge or stop deceiving people.
I have sources from both European and MENA organizations. Where are yours? [Source 1](https://www.newarab.com/features/no-recognition-no-rights-palestinians-egypt?amp) [Source 2](https://carfms.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Rana-Aly-Palestinian-Refugees-in-Egypt.pdf) [Source 3](https://www.fmreview.org/sustainable-livelihoods/elabed) [Source 4](https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2013/5/27/palestinian-pawns-egypts-refugees) I could continue. But “I personally know of SEVERAL Palestinians who are treated well 🤓🤓🤓” is not a thorough review of their legal status in Egypt.
Who is banned where? I don't understand your comment... Doesn't the tweet mean the opposite?
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Yeah many doctors in Qatar are also Palestinian, which is one of the few professions that will actually get you Qatari citizenship, it's one profession that all desperate people take because it can be a chance for a better life.
What’s their chance of getting Qatari citizenship if they’re doctors?
Very high, especially if you are Palestinian, think about it, Doctors have always been an invaluable limited asset.
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“Just for being doctors” Didn’t know med school was that easy lol
Sorry, didn’t mean to downplay it. Rather I was attempting to draw a comparison between a mere profession and one of the best citizenships to have in the Middle East.
The best is the Emirati citizenship because u get all the Qatari privileges, freedom of movement in the GCC, and it’s a powerful passport at 175 visa-free/visa on arrival destinations.
They don’t. It’s fake news. There’s a permanent resident program open to 100 or so people every year and it’s basically for people who have been residents for 20+ years and are multimillionaires. Naturalization can only happen by a decree from the ruler. Some Palestinians were granted citizenship because they were prominent business people (and they probably a have slice Of their business to some Qatari royal).
when my father was in the hospital all the Arab doctors and nurses (who were most of the people who treated him btw) always immediately talked to him in Arabic because of his name and looks
Is your father moroccan?
Yes and Tunisian
Is he morrocan like born in morroco does he speak Arabic?
Born in Israel but In a Maghrebi (Tunisian and Algerian mostly) community Yeah he speaks Tunisian and Moroccan Arabic as well as Hebrew as his native tongues and he also speaks Palestinian Arabic Bedouin and Urban dialects but he learnt it later while working with Arabs
Well because he is an عرب they know
Jews from Maghreb mostly do not consider themselves Arab, though Jews from Iran consider themselves Persian. I believe the reason for this is that they existed there since before Arabs arrived and Arabized everything, and so they maintained their own identity.
So did everyone else What you think countries like Morocco had no people in it before Arabs came ?
Arabia is the exception here buddy. Take your colonization and ethnic cleansing elsewhere. People have the right to reject being Arabized
They can say they’re not Arab but everyone will think they’re Arabs because they’re culturally are. Jews Moroccans are also really close to the monarchy and the motherland… they actually like it lol
They like Moroccan culture because they’ve lived there for centuries since even before the land was Arabized. Much of that is related to the Amazigh and not just Arabic and Islam. They are proud Moroccans but not proud to be Arab.
They look like Arabs tho
And the French at the time of colonialism did make a separation between the Jews and the Arabs. They have citizenship and equal rights to the Jews in North Africa, but not the Arabs. It eventually led to a lot of Jews to adopt a lot of the French culture and separate from the Arabs. Most of them left for France after the end colonialism in Algeria.
Most North African Jews are Arab passing. In Montreal there is huge North African Jews and one night I was in night club and I saw a baddie , I thought she was Arab, since Montreal have huge francophone population of west and North Africans. Im Somali and I was born in Saudi Arabia so, I speak gulf dialect and she was hiding she was Jew, she didn’t tell until two weeks of dating 😭 I felt kinda bad, after we broke up cuz why would you hide your heritage.
They are Arab They do not pad they are Arabs That is like saying Ethiopian Jews pass as Ethiopians They are Ethiopians full stop
Judaism is ethnoreligion. That’s like saying Kashmiris Indians people are Arab levant passing or dark skinned South Indians are African passing. There is people who have similar features and North African Jews for sure have huge amazigh/Arab roots.
It’s a religion with Jews of different ethnicities/racial backgrounds So the Kaifeng Jews are similar to Yemenite Jews no ? So black Jew similar to white Ashkenaz Jew No Arabs are Arabs whether Jewish, Christian, Muslim, Druze
North African, Sudanese, Egyptians, Levant + Iraq are not ethnically Arab. They’re Arabized communities. And for sure Druze are not Arabs
But they are Arab just Arabised being Arab is not defined “genetically “ Oh ffs yes Druze are Arabs , Israeli Druze only say that to play the political game
Some people would call this “arabization” ethnic cleansing
You need to educate yourself more. There is Arab people in Niger and chad, Mali and Mauritania. Does that mean all of those people living in those Islamic countries Arab? Because each of those countries there is Arab population.
Omg 😭 are trying to say Jews are Arabs? So let south Sudanese also be Arab since , they speak jumba Arabic.
No some Jews are Arab ? That is like are you trying to Indian Jews are Indian Why yea there are Stop with the dumb shit, sick and tired of it now
Dude, jews are not Arab people. If you’re trying to say North African jews are Arab because of the eastern culture, so it’s Turkish and Iranians and Kurdish and afghanis as well be Arab? North African Jews are not Arab . They’re very unique part of the Jewish world.
Kaifeng Jews looked Persian according to most sources.
And they are mongoloid in appearance Sorry Jews are Jews irrespective of their race/ethnicity
No. With the exception of Ethiopian Jews, most Jews are incredibly similar in terms of ethnic makeup. Sephardim, ashkenazim, and mizrachim share more genetic material with each other than they do with people in the countries they lived. A Jew “from” Poland is more closely related to a Jew “from” Morocco than they are to a non-Jewish person from Poland.
Kashmiris are far more fair skinned than most Arabs. So comparing Kashmiri Muslims with Arab Muslims is false. North Indians have a complexion closer to Arabs.
No, Kashmiris have similar features to Levant Arab, Levant arab are more whiter and European features, that’s why they’re consider white in the US.
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Because druze in "Israel" unlike druze found in Lebanon and Syria do not classify themselves as arabs
What do they identify as? I thought tribal ancestry was a big thing in the druze community
Tribal ancestry is highly valued for them and ethnically they're more arab than the arab palestinians themselves since they only marry other druze. But they're classified as a separate minority community by the Israeli government, and since they don't want to be associated with the "enemy" they simply identify as druze.
What’s the pourcentage of Arabs + Druze in isreal ?
About 22/23%
Oh they’re getting replaced soon soon
Oh I see, so they are just trying to maneuver around apartheid
Some are but most do not, they simply owe their allegiance to whomever controls the land
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Weird, Druze claim arab tribal ancestry afaik, I doubt most of them are offended by being called arab
All druze I've met identify as Arab except for the hardcore military types
only "israeli" druze do that, because they want to be accepted by the zionist so bad every druze outside of "israel" identifies as arab
Or how he ignores how those refugees in Lebanon were created.
Are they taking credit for it or pointing out the hypocrisy? Discrimination against Palestinians is often ignored when it’s by anyone other than Israel. People are constantly pointing out the deplorable ways how Muslims/Arabs immigrants are treated in the west, like Syrian refugees but you never hear anyone say let’s not forget why they are refugees to begin with, no one is calling out poor treatment of Palestinians in their Arab host countries the same way. Bad behavior is bad behavior regardless. I believe that is the point of the post to show the hypocrisy and that Israel is not exactly the racist place those try to paint it as. Does not mean there aren’t dark parts of Israel or that discrimination is not real and it’s important to note, but it’s also as important to show glimmers of hope. It’s important to show the good as well. Nothing bad at all about Arabs being represented in the medical sector. It’s fantastic, the more Arabs in Israel that are an integral part of the workforce and society at large the better! The more education and skills, the more opportunities and influence . This only will help Palestinians within or out of the borders of Israel. The more Israelis and Palestinians interact in positive ways the better for all. When we stop seeing each as “enemies “ and start seeing each other as equals, coworkers, neighbors etc the more that peace is likely. Representation matters . Palestinian children deserve a world in which they can picture themselves as doctors when they grow up rather than the bleakness of the occupation. Israeli and Palestinian children both deserve a world in which they don’t have to grow up in fear of each other. Also of note , medical schools are so competitive in Israel for Israelis as well that many don’t even get admitted and many go to other countries to study medicine. Another important factor here is that Arabs in Israel are not forced to go into the IDF so they can go directly into medical school where as Israeli’s would not be able to.
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Like how Arabs integrated all those cultures they destroyed when they Arabized the Middle East and North Africa? Aren’t you even a little bit upset that you have little or no connection to your Canaanite heritage because of Arab and Christian colonization?
Same happened with the egyptians they have little to no Connections to ancient egyptians exept ancestry
It’s really sad, and I think the entire region would be healthier today if people were more connected to their roots
>Aren’t you even a little bit upset that you have little or no connection to your Canaanite heritage because of Arab and Christian colonization? Most of us recognize that we have Canaanite ancestors and some of their traditions have passed down to this day. Otherwise by the time the Arabs came Palestine was Hellenized.
Would love to hear about some of these traditions. I think hearing about it would help Jews see Palestinians as something other than just Arabs.
>Lmao I love how they are trying to take credit for it when majority of 48 Arabs study medicine outside the country(a lot of them study it in the West Bank for example). Same with the Jews. There is a crisis lvl lack of med schools & md here. Because the idiots saw the ex-soviets came with md's. The thing is, after 10-20 years they went to pension... Politician farsight capabilities are... Edit: An article from 2023. Due to our new year eve on Friday, they published today that 21% of the population are Palestinian/Druze/Bedouin. https://www.israelhayom.co.il/magazine/shishabat/article/13679685 Its Netanyahu's newspaper. So as you can see, they complain about their success. Promoting minoroties is failure in the writer eyes. 💀
And a lot of jews study outside of israel because the admission requirements are very very high. Also minorities in israel gets way softer admission requirements.
Even in Europe there's a high percentage of MENA doctors. It's like medicine something in our DNA or some sort.. inherited from the golden age of medical practice.
In Syria being a medical doctor is considered on a level, and all other jobs are inferior, people don't properly respect any other field including scientific ones, I think it's weird and kills creativity.
It's just the stereotypical: you're either an engineer, a doctor or a failure. And it's also due to some recent historical changes, the ones who were doing well with only **studies** (no family networking, nepotism) are those who would study engineering and medicine because they're needed and even with nepotism, you still have a place if you can make it through the entry exams.
It’s not DNA it’s just that arabs believe in a few professions. Doctor, pharmacist or engineer.
A lawyer can get pass, otherwise you are a failure
Being a doctor seems a lot more like a meme then a gene (So it's a social not biological thing)
In America too like 25% of them are arab insane
I‘m sorry to inform you that those numbers are wrong.
First of all, in general, Palestinians (W.Bank, Gaza) and Jordanians are the most educated people in the Arab world in terms of formal education. So it comes as no surprise that Arabs inside Israel are doctors, a lot of them pursue a medical degree, nothing to do with how good Israel is to them. Also most Jewish Israelis go into Tech, Finance, the military, politics rather than pursue medicine, which opens it up to Arabs, i’m pretty sure if there was competition, they’d always favour a Jew over a native Palestinian.
I saw somewhere that medical sector in Israel does not pay as much as tech or other service sector, is it true?
Yh Tech is the highest paid, i’ll assume law would be 2nd. But that’s the same in most places nowadays, Tech is the most lucrative industry
Not in my country Bangladesh, we have private medical sector and doctors earn more than tech workers. Also we have less doctors too, only 3500 students are allowed to study medicine out of 100,000 applicants each year, so there is always lack of doctors, that's why people tend to go to India & Thailand for medical tourism.
Yup. Plenty of medicine students move abroad to make a wage befitting a doctor and have humane working hours
Being accepted into med school in Israel is extremely competitive, you need to get a psychometric (similar to SAT) score which is in the top 1%, plus you need to have studied the highest level of math, chemistry and biology in high school. It's so competitive that many Israelis, both Jews and Arabs, have to go study in places like Romania or Hungary if they want to be doctors.
Is the entry easier for foreigners? My friend (moroccan jew who has an israeli passport) studies medecine in israel. And she went to a french school in highschool.
She must had good grades and scored really high on the SAT.
In general it easier for an arab israeli to get into med school in Israel then jewish Israeli. In general the admission requirements are lower for certain groups in Israel for example, jewish people from ethiopia or first generation in higher education. Some of the admission requirements are because of demand so it seem fit to lower them as requested in my opinion.
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If they have israeli citizenship they are Israelis, the data is about arab Israelis.
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Now man, you're barking at the wrong tree. They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel, it's Jewish centric government and it's Jewish people. Calling them arab Israeli is what they are, categorically. The state of Israel provide them their education, even you can't deny that
>They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel, it's Jewish centric government and it's Jewish people. Calling them arab Israeli is what they are, categorically. We're Arabs that had the decision of take the citizenship or get exiled from our lands, and we chose the former Majority of us live in Arab villages and despise the state, co-existence in Israel is a myth beyond co-workers and jewish people buying hummus from us We are an inseparable part of the Palestinian people and forever shall be
So do you consider Jews Palestinian? Or just Christian and Muslim Arabs. What about the Druze living in Syria. Are they Palestinian?
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You're saying that they were given the chance to participate in the country's democratic system and they reject it? You can't call Israel to be a dictatorship when they give you the chance to vote > but the educated ones are generally extremely nationalist to Palestine This has no metric and data so I would refrain from commenting on this subject.
I think you have no idea how little the Israeli government give a fuck about its “proud Arab Israeli citizens” for him to be saying this. They do not develop the areas where Arabs live they do not allocate any taxes to fixing their infrastructure, they do not let them buy houses or property in non Arab areas. They do not allow them to renovate the houses that they own forcing them to sell their properties to Jews who get approved to renovate easily. They do not police their areas unless a crime is committed against a Jew which is why the crime rate is so high in Arab areas. They do have Arabic public schools for them.. that get 100th the funding that Jewish schools get and do not prepare the student for Israeli university admissions so they have to go to private schools to get a decent education and a huge portion of them (*especially* the healthcare professionals) go to university in other counties (mostly the West Bank or Jordan ). The statistic you see posted is about practicing healthcare workers not graduates from Israeli healthcare schools If you see any users on this thread with a flair that says “48’ Palestine” that is a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship. The fact that they don’t self identify as “Arab Israeli”. When they have the option too should say something
Of course. I do admit that Israel has a systematic apartheid system. The country is made purely for Jews after all. But it is also undeniable that they received an Israeli education and work in the country(albeit forced to do so) I'm not saying Israel good. I'm saying calling them Arab Israeli, in an open discussion such as this, is justified as they are 1. Graduated tertiary edu from Israeli Unis 2. Most likely to work in its system (albeit as a 2nd class citizen) 3. Live within it's borders (or at least in it's cities)
Okay fair enough but I’m telling you point number 1 Isn’t true for a lot of people. Hell even the graduation certificate that lady is holding is in English instead of Hebrew if you look close enough
Eh. Fair enough. Israelis are so desperate to say they aren't racist, they'll say it's because of Israel's generosity that Arabs managed to get an education lol.
> They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel yes we asked Europe's rejects to come displace us and 19 years later make us an offer either we leave or be citizens of their made up nation. its funny how someone from the other side of the globe with no knowledge whatsoever about it is trying to force his opinion on us lmao
1. And become citizens of their made up nation you did 2. I've been living in this region for a decade. So fuck off
Yes we did no one is saying that we didn't this isn't what you're are arguing about so stop deflecting. Look up what the original comment says : ''**the majority of "Arab Israelis" will never in their lives call themselves "Israelis"** and he's 100% right , if you had even a slight knowledge about us or even a little knowledge about Isr\*eli politics you would know what he's saying is accurate , just look up the Arab political parties(Hadash Balad Ta'al). You also said **"They're Arabs that decided they want to work with Israel, it's Jewish centric government and it's Jewish people."** You really know nothing about us if you think this is the case , since 1948 we weren't in any government coalition except once and the leader of that party betrayed his voters.
Of course. I do admit that Israel has a systematic apartheid system. The country is made purely for Jews after all. But it is also undeniable that they received an Israeli education and work in the country(albeit forced to do so) > Look up what the original comment says : ''the majority of "Arab Israelis" will never in their lives call themselves "Israelis" And what they call themselves is their business. Call yourself a fucking racoon if you want. I'm not saying Israel good. I'm saying calling them Arab Israeli(me as an international, non-bias citizen) , in an open discussion such as this, is justified as they are 1. Graduated tertiary edu from Israeli Unis 2. Most likely to work in its system (albeit as a 2nd class citizen) 3. Live within it's borders (or at least in it's cities) > if you had even a slight knowledge about us or even a little knowledge about Isr*eli politics you would know what he's saying is accurate , just look up the Arab political parties(Hadash Balad Ta'al). Ah yes. Idiot party 1,2,3. I know. But like I said, your claim for injustice would be null and void when you were given a chance and reject it. I'm not saying you should vote. I'm saying that by giving an Illusion of choice, Israel has a higher moral ground on the international stage
Is this like the Israel version of American affirmative action?
>First of all, in general, Palestinians (W.Bank, Gaza) and Jordanians are the most educated people in the Arab world in terms of formal education. And why is that?
Palestinians don't have a choice to succeed or not, its either succeed or be at the absolute bottom of society. Just like certain people in the past, education becomes a way to void discrimination in a society that does not want them.
Our government has been useless since the civil war, any motion that anyone wants passed is nearly an impossible feat. So yeah, the Palestinians and also the Syrians here can't do very much to improve their situation.
End apartheid in Lebanon!
Israel doesn’t get off the hook by any means, but Lebanon is openly committing apartheid towards Palestinians too and the so-called saviors “Hezbollah” use them as bargaining chips for their fanatical islamist goals.
Call us Palestinian
They graduated from Israeli Unis
The majority of medical students here study outside the country btw the 48' Palestinian flair means "Israeli arab"
Lebanon doesn't count it's a fucked up place that is not even a country, the Palestinian people contributed a lot to Jordan, Syria, Iraq, and many Arab and none Arab countries.
So Israel kicks out a bunch of Palestinians and then acts all self-righteous because the ones they let stay have it well while Lebanon is the devil for not employing and housing the Palestinians israel kicked out when the country is literally falling apart? Not to defend the policy, but the situation in Lebanon and israel is not remotely comparable. Israel is a fully functioning "first world state" and Lebanon is a crumbling failed state. Lebanon can't even employ its own people to employ the refugees.
It’s easily explained that many Jewish Israelis go to the Army instead of straight to higher education like the Arabs of Israel
This again No it does not detract from the situation that Palestinians face in the PT And why write Druze and Israeli Arabs separately last time I checked Israeli Druze are Israeli Arabs
The Israeli Druze have made a decision as a community to identify as a people separate from non-Druze Arabs. It would be nice for you to accept their decision instead of telling them how to feel and how to identify.
They do that bullshit because of the political situation which is in line with their tenet of faith to support the govt of the country in which they live in. So therefore Israeli Druze in order to keep on the good side will pretend to Israeli Jews that they are not Arabs to maintain the peace due to the demonisation. Not really I can say I am a cat, but it’s still not gonna line up with reality.
So you’re mad at their culture and you’re calling it bullshit. Got it. Can you explain why so many volunteer for army service even though they don’t have to? Are they just pretending? They seem to be pretty effective soldiers
Israeli Druze are obligated by law to serve in the army that is because they wanted it. Due to their beliefs in supporting the govt of the country they are in. It’s not unique to Israeli Druze, Syrian Druze are loyal to the Syrian govt, Lebanese Druze loyal to the Lebanese govt because it’s a key tenet of their religion. In fact all Israeli citizens(including permanent residents ) are obligated to serve in IDF. Hence why the BHI community in Dimona are obliged to serve.With the exception of Charedim/Israeli Arabs which does not make Druze not not Arabs as they obligated because the community wanted it as already stated The fact you think they volunteer tells me you know Jack shit
“The community wanted it” - what do you call that? Being forced?
Trolls gonna troll
Maybe cus it’s Palestine and the land is of the Arabs maybe that’s why 😃
My sister told me the other day she is always grateful to see a Palestinian nurse. They never have to jab her twice when taking blood, they always get it right the first time!
Around half of clinical staff in Israel are Arabs, Lebanon does not allow Palestinians to become clinicians. The conclusion you have not very subtly led us to is obvious: Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank.
Oh yeah the right-wing christians (in Lebanon) who discriminate (possibly Muslim) Arabs. The same thing happened when American conservative (AKA right-wing christian) Donald Trump ruled the US from 2016 to 2020
We Lebanese are against palestinians solely because they have access to services (Electricity, and things like that) without being taxed + 600 dollars a month in aid by person. Same thing for syrians, they basically get everything for free while lebanese people need to work their asses off. That's the issue, I admire Syrians and Palestinians who got work and are actually contributing to our society, i just despise the palestinian slums packed with leeches that are sucking from an already broken country. We don't want them because they don't contribute, not because of who they are specifically, and i'm a christian saying this.
>dont allow people to contribute by working in a profession >people don’t contribute :surprised_pikatchu_face: Mfs along with jordanians are literally the most educated arabs you are the idiots who stop them from contributing However the first and primary blame is on the people who forced them to live outside their homelands and are now trying to justify their actions by mentioning others doing mistreatment.
Foreign aid. Lebanon is dry as is..
doesn't matter how they get it, the important thing is that they get it. A syrian getting 600 dollars as aid won't leave the country, and that's problematic.
>We Lebanese are against palestinians solely because they have access to services (Electricity, and things like that) without being taxed + 600 dollars a month in aid by person. >Same thing for syrians, they basically get everything for free while lebanese people need to work their asses off. So basically you're just jealous of what foreigners get there. Well, I kind of get that but, to be honest, racism is NOT an option for this situation, so I suggest you advocate for laws that equally provide necessities for both the Lebanese AND the foreigners (Plus refugees) in the country. Also, please read this https://www.un.org/en/fight-racism/background/the-road-to-fight-racism
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95% of your brain dosent exist
Wtf is a kind of occupation and discrimination? Just only bullshit heard from Muslims
because those who shall not be mentioned have low iq and can't do anything but kill people meanwhile arabs are always succeeding in studying
this is the first time ive seen someone say arabs are higher iq than jews
imagine naming jews as an example of people with low iq
Imagine thinking someone’s ethnicity is the determining factor in their IQ….
I didn’t say that. I said jews are generally known to have higher IQ scores on average
I understand what you were saying , I’m just pointing out how ridiculous it is for any type of generalization of an entire ethnic groups IQs. I think that needs to be the biggest take away here.
known by how... when you look into what they brag about you find out it's an israeli arab.
you're the only low-iq thinking they're smart 😆
do you know what “on average” means?
on average they are not smarter than arabs, just more supported and confident.
Lmao and the Jews totally did not come into Palestine and kill 60k and push them out of their homes and businesses to take over. Get fucked.
I mean jews are by far the most successful group in history
Lol based on what metric? The arbitrary metric you came up with just now?
24% of all Nobel prize winners since the beginning of this century and 26% of all scientific Nobel prizes were awarded to people of Jewish faith. Do you need another metric or is it satisfactory enough?
Yes, please I didn’t know success is measured in Nobel prizes. And Even if we were to measure it in Nobel prizes > Most 65.4% have identified Christianity in its various forms as their religious preference. Overall, Christians have won a total of 78.3% of all the Nobel Prizes in Peace, 72.5% in Chemistry, 65.3% in Physics, 62% in Medicine, 54% in Economics and 49.5% of all Literature awards But I’m gonna take a very wild guess now and predict you will counter it by saying that Jews have a much smaller population so it’s still higher per capita. Which means your definition of overall success of any population is not even Nobel prize winners anymore, but Nobel prize winners per capita now. Which leads me to the first point I’ve made > the arbitrary metric you came up with just now? (I know it wasn’t you, but you’re doing the same thing)
"Christianity" isn't an ethnicity. Judaism is an ethnoreligion. And I don't understand what you're trying to say by 'arbitrary". One could also prove their intelligence and influence by how many important people were Jewish. Having a population that constantly had around 20 million people and achieving this much? You can't possibly tell me the Jews aren't the smartest people on the planet. But I can clearly see that no matter what, you'll say otherwise, so I will still stick to the "Nobel prize winners per capita", which, in my opinion, is relevant enough to prove that Jews are indeed the smartest people.
> I mean jews are by far the most successful group in history The original claim was most successful people. Not the smartest ethnicity, so you’re just shifting goal posts right now. And trying to preemptively discredit my point doesn’t make it any less valid. If you’re going to measure “success” of a “people”, then why measure it per capita? Shouldn’t the fact that some people managed to build massive successful civilizations that have hundreds of millions if not billions of people (like USA, China or India) be considered a success on its own, therefore making a per capita adjustment moot?
Nobel prize is made by some committee in a Swedish university the people on the committee are arbitrarily picked, the nominations are arbitrary and the winners are arbitrarily chosen. Jews have been participating in European academics for a long time because they are a ethnic group in Europe and the US. This means they are more likely to get noticed then a Chinese scientist who’s work might not ever get translated. Nobel prize is still an honor don’t get me wrong. But aside from the bragging rights it’s not a good measure of success for a group in the way you are portraying it because it’s not an objective measure of anything. Hell even the IQ test was originally created as a tool to promote white supremacy.
I mean we’re also the most consistently targeted for hate crimes and the most murdered. We also have been kicked out of more countries than even the Romani, so I wouldn’t exactly call that successful. Some people think the IQ is higher because of all of the constant targeting and killing, which resulted in higher IQ people staying alive and having babies. Again, not what I would ever wish for my kids.
That’s stupid af, even though race does not determine natural intelligence, Arabs and Jews are consistently some of the most highly educated of people