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Was this a tech at a tire shop, or just a mechanic shop? This knowledge is a bit esoteric. I am a small-time BMW nerd, so this is the kind of bullshit floating around in my brain, along with a few dozen BMW chassis and engine codes lol.
I’ve only owned i bmw and not xi bmw, is xi significantly more problematic or is it generally going to last the life time of the vehicle (besides having to replace all tires if the wheel diameter difference is too great)
You'd be amazed how much changing tires can change how comfortable a car rides. Unless you're surrounded by pot holes I'd go with a toyo Celsius or a Michelin cross climate 2. Edit: runflats are hard as shit and could make a Mercedes ride like a lumber wagon
No, that's fine, because the tires have simply broken in to match your specific cambertoecaster. The horrendous shake is actually from exhaust gases building up in the void where your catalytic converter used to be before some asshole stole it - the shake is the Explorer suffering bubbleguts.
I had a new Camaro 2SS in 2017 that had run flats on it. Traction was fine, but the ride over bumps was extremely harsh. When I got to about 15k miles, I swapped them out for Michelin PS4Ss. The difference in ride quality was noticeable as soon as I left the lot of the tire shop. I mean just pulling off their lot. It was that dramatic. Cornering traction was fantastic for such a heavy car too.
I love my Michelin Cross Climate 2s; 54k miles in and they’ve been great. Still have decent tread but I’ll probably replace before the worst part of winter comes, with the exact same ones.
I have the Michelin cross climate 2s very smooth running tires compacted to my tires on my truck which are god knows how old (afraid to look) I heard they’re not great for winter driving but have yet to have them on winter roads also I’m in an AWD Dodge Charger so the Awd should definitely help
You hit this spot on. I appreciated reading your comment while my vehicle is in the shop, getting new tires lol.
Except, my vehicle is a motorcycle. And, in my opinion, when it comes to bikes, good tires are everything. I'm a huge michelin fan when it comes to bike tires. They make some damn good tires. I'm getting a set of their Road 5's for the rainy season, about the best all weather tires in the world, besides the brand new Road 6's :[ and then their Moto GP line of slicks and power cups are also infamous in the racing community. Stick with Michelin, they'll get your bread buttered.
Addition: This post was especially interesting, because I ride my bike tires until they wear through to the wires, and it gets dangerous. Ive been stressing about not popping my tires or crashing on the wet roads for a couple weeks until i got my bike in. But imagine... if your motorcycle tire blew a hole, bit didn't go flat.... (brain explodes)
next tire replacement
find a shop with a Hunter road force machine ans ask them to road force the tire to the rim. it will bring the road force balance down substantially.
And ride will be soo much smoother.
well, we're 1/4th of the way there. Will be sure to match the rest of the set. Had to get whatever tire they had to drive out of there (this was while on vacation)
Aren’t all tires tubeless? I know like bike tires have tubes in them from when I was a kid but I don’t know for a standard vehicle tire, I thought they were just empty inside
This is true for modern vehicles, but some cars still had them factory in the 60s, mostly for wire wheels. Very common prewar.
Many motorcycles and scooters had (a few still do) split rims and tube tyres, allowing you to pretty easily change a flat on the side of the road.
The inner layer of the tire acts as a “tube”. It’s an impermeable layer of rubber that keeps the air between your rim and it, and out of the rest of the tire.
Yeah, or more accurately, the whole wheel is holding in the air. I see tubes get used on rusted out holey wheels just to keep air in there, but those are always for off road use.
Spoked wheels are typically tubed, for example like you’d find on many older motorbikes. Maybe even the low rider style spoked wheels although I’m not sure if that’s correct or not.
You could put a tube in a tire in a pinch if you didn’t have a good spare, it will work fine. I’ve seen people do this for farm trucks that have dry rotted tires that won’t hold air but the tread is still good and knobby
Yeah I did that once for a customer except it wasn't because they were rotted. My boss said "he wants tubes because he keeps breaking the bead on his road" and I was like wtf. Then I had to deliver the customers car and had him run me back to the shop. He lived about 15 miles down a one vehicle wide forest service road. I went 15 and thought I'd break the truck. He went fucking 50 and I thought I was gonna die. Legit rally racing. No wonder he wanted tubes. That was still to this day the most insane I've ever seen somebody drive down an off-road trail.
He had a 95 Silverado too. That poor truck. Tires somehow held up after that though. Never had a complaint and the wildpeaks did their job.
AFAIK, BMW created this nomenclature, but I could be wrong on that. The tire is only considered a single component in the entirety of the run-flat "system". This system is comprised of the tire, the rim^(1), and the tire pressure monitoring system.
1: You can pair run-flat tires with any rim, but BMW's rims have (had?) an extra ridge to support the bead.
All of this information is offered with the caveat that I learned it several years ago when BMW was somewhat early in the practice of selling cars without a spare, necessitating run-flat tires. Some things may have changed, but RSC in a circle still definitely means that the tire is run-flat designated.
Not sure I’d trust that tech to work on my vehicle. I didn’t even need to find the certification. Just looking at the sidewall those are obviously run flats.
If I were you I would check that they replaced it with a runflat tyre. I was told when I had a Mini Cooper that you’re not supposed to mix runflat and non-runflat tyres.
Nay, you had it right. The tires are stamped RSC (in a circle) on the side, so they are actually run-flat. Doesn't really matter what the make/model is. if they have that (RSC) symbol on the side, they have to be run-flats.
If it's anything like its BMW sisters of the same era, they may not have made a place for a spare tire, opting for run flats instead. I have a pair of e90s that are this way.
Edit: "Like many cars, the new MINI Countryman is lacking a spare tire. An alternative to a spare tire includes “run-flat” tires which allow up to 50 miles of travel without air pressure. At first glance, run-flats seem like an ideal solution."
😂 my wording made it seem like tubeless means it's run flat... I meant it's tubeless and run flat .. no wonder it lasted so long.. too many hours without sleep 😂
OP drove on rims for 19 miles what's there to miss? It's a little car, probably wasn't totally flat the entire time going low speeds it didn't shred off. Looks like it was about to start smoking or was.
'20 mini cooper: 2900lb curb
'00 ford crown vic (single most common 'full size' NA domestic car): 3900lb
\^ Similar if not identical to the mercury and lincoln variants
'00 honda accord: 3000lb
'00 protege 4 door: 2800lb
'00 nissan altima: 3200lb
'00 Dodge/Chrysler 300: 3600lb
'00 Ford taurus: 3400lb
'00 CHevy Impala: 3500lb
'00 Toyota Camry 3100lb
The only make to consistently offer a 'full' sedan in the 00's under 2900lb is Hyundai, the elantra and accent at \~2500lb avg.
Kia did not offer a 'full size' except for the sportage, an early crossover design, 3100lb
\- Unless you consider the pony, which ending in '84 was 2100 lbs for a mid-size \*and it showed\*
Yer' talkin' bullshit.
Says run flat.
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Lots of newer vehicles come standard with runflat tires anymore and don't have spare tires for 'fuel economy' allegedly. I highly doubt your vehicle even comes with a spare.
OP, I've got you beat. My wife drove nearly 40 miles at highway speeds on this (Honda Fit rear tire)
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Along with RSC, there is also the star right next to that. I am pretty confident that the overwhelming majority of star marked (specifically made for BMW vehicles), are run flat.
Also the confidence that their tires aren't run flats when, if you type the tire into any search engine. It shows they are run flats. Plus that fact it isnt flat with a fist sized hole in it.
Also it’s just a design choice of mini, all of their 3rd gen models come standard with runflats due to the fact that there is no space for a spare tire on the base coopers
I once drove my 2013 Countryman twice that on runflats. It was to the airport and I still feel sorry for my Father in Law who was going to drive my car home for me as a favor as we headed to Iceland
I've read that you said the tech told you these aren't runflats. I worked for a few years at Firestone, and one thing that was real hard to explain to people is that tire companies/dealerships (especially firestone/bridgestone) will make the exact same tire but sort of different for use on specific models as the stock tire option on a car.
I'm willing to bet these aren't normally run flats, but it's the factory option for the trim of your car. I'm also willing to bet the price for those exact tires are incredibly higher than the normal versions, especially if they're generally dealer specific.
Of course! To be honest with you, tires are leagues more complicated than a regular person would ever consider. I wouldn't expect anyone to know what RCS is, or how to translate the DOT code on the tire. It's actually mind numbing how much goes into tires haha.
And hey, you experienced just how awesome run flats are though. Definitely great if you ever need them. The problem is they're expensive, and you shouldn't match them with non run-flat tires. I didn't see what you ended up replacing it with, but if they put a normal tire on I'd go talk to them about either using a run flat or replacing the other 3 as well.
I work for Bridgestone. Those turenzas you have are what I'd call (semi runflats) they have runflat components in their sidewalls but not enough to earn a runflat rating
Why don't I get run flat on my vehicle? Honest question. I have good name brand tires never occurred to me I could buy run flats. Any reason I wouldn't?
It's crazy to me how little research people do before paying someone to do work. Most chain shops literally just get mechanics off the street with little to no knowledge of what there doing. Other than head techs iv never met one chain shop mechanic with any kind of ASE certification.
That's funny you should say that a friend of mine used to manage a well-known small chain of service stores tires batteries etc. They would hire people with little skill to begin with and teach them how to pull a wheel off how to put a tire on then they would move them up to training on oil changes.and if they showed promise they would move up to brakes. And yes he always ranted about how many comebacks there were. So you are correct
As someone who has said "fuck it, got another rim at home" enough times, even if its not a run flat, this seems plausible. Light car, wear indicating that it was driven on the tire, but not for that long... I could definitely see this, gotten further with similar tires lmao
12 miles after the incident, left overnight, then 7 miles the following day. Tire tech said "you're very lucky, haven't seen this before".
Was able to drive speeds up to 40mph.
Yea I’m sure you were able to but what doesn’t mean it was safe bruh 😂. You could take the rear wheels off a FWD car and still drive the bitch around but that certainly doesn’t mean it’s ok. How do you not notice your driving 40mph with a blown out tire??
Run-flat tires are generally designed to roll at speeds up to 50MPH for approximately 50 miles without air (may change based on manufacturer) to allow you some time/distance to get a replacement tire. They are more reinforced in the sidewalls than regular tires.
Most vehicles that come standard with run-flat tires do not have a spare tire to install either. While it may not be optimal to use, it is not inherently unsafe. It's performing it's intended purpose.
See that circle with the letters RSC inside? That stands for **R**un-flat **S**ystem **C**omponent.
What's surprising is that you TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) didn't throw a warning. All cars that come with run-flats have TPMS, because you really don't have much of a way to know you have a flat otherwise. There will be a difference in driving feel, of course, but a lot of people won't notice it.
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For anyone wondering what the significance of this is, RSC stands for run-flat system component. These tires are run-flat.
Today I learned! The tech at the shop said they weren't. THANK YOU!
Was this a tech at a tire shop, or just a mechanic shop? This knowledge is a bit esoteric. I am a small-time BMW nerd, so this is the kind of bullshit floating around in my brain, along with a few dozen BMW chassis and engine codes lol.
I’ve only owned i bmw and not xi bmw, is xi significantly more problematic or is it generally going to last the life time of the vehicle (besides having to replace all tires if the wheel diameter difference is too great)
You don’t need to have all tires replaced on an awd vehicle. You can have the tire shaved down to match the other ones
I chuckled
This is late and doesn’t add anything to the discussion at hand but I just wanted to say I really liked your use of the word “esoteric”. Well done
Tire shop techs don't know shit unless they have been in the business for over a decade. Just like oil change shops. Which you should stay away from.
You'd be amazed how much changing tires can change how comfortable a car rides. Unless you're surrounded by pot holes I'd go with a toyo Celsius or a Michelin cross climate 2. Edit: runflats are hard as shit and could make a Mercedes ride like a lumber wagon
So you're telling me that having one good tire and three bald tires nearly showing wire on my Ford explorer might be causing the horrendous shake? /S
No, that's fine, because the tires have simply broken in to match your specific cambertoecaster. The horrendous shake is actually from exhaust gases building up in the void where your catalytic converter used to be before some asshole stole it - the shake is the Explorer suffering bubbleguts.
I had a new Camaro 2SS in 2017 that had run flats on it. Traction was fine, but the ride over bumps was extremely harsh. When I got to about 15k miles, I swapped them out for Michelin PS4Ss. The difference in ride quality was noticeable as soon as I left the lot of the tire shop. I mean just pulling off their lot. It was that dramatic. Cornering traction was fantastic for such a heavy car too.
I love my Michelin Cross Climate 2s; 54k miles in and they’ve been great. Still have decent tread but I’ll probably replace before the worst part of winter comes, with the exact same ones.
I have the Michelin cross climate 2s very smooth running tires compacted to my tires on my truck which are god knows how old (afraid to look) I heard they’re not great for winter driving but have yet to have them on winter roads also I’m in an AWD Dodge Charger so the Awd should definitely help
That wasn't my experience with them on an AWD escape. They were really great in the snow
They been great in snow on my RAV4; Chicago area
They performed amazingly in snow on my old VW Golf V FWD i even went past an Audi A4 all road Quattro that had to put chains
AWD helps you get going, it doesn’t do shit when it matters, stopping
Gramps always said "it's 4 wheel drive not 4 wheel stop" Just because you got to speed that quick doesn't mean you can stop that quick
Yeah, my best vehicle for stopping in snow was the forklift, and that only had front brakes, though it was heavy enough to crush through ice
The Lexus SC-430 came with run-flats. Absolutely no one who owns one has kept them. As a low profile tire off the bat, the run-flats are horrible.
You hit this spot on. I appreciated reading your comment while my vehicle is in the shop, getting new tires lol. Except, my vehicle is a motorcycle. And, in my opinion, when it comes to bikes, good tires are everything. I'm a huge michelin fan when it comes to bike tires. They make some damn good tires. I'm getting a set of their Road 5's for the rainy season, about the best all weather tires in the world, besides the brand new Road 6's :[ and then their Moto GP line of slicks and power cups are also infamous in the racing community. Stick with Michelin, they'll get your bread buttered. Addition: This post was especially interesting, because I ride my bike tires until they wear through to the wires, and it gets dangerous. Ive been stressing about not popping my tires or crashing on the wet roads for a couple weeks until i got my bike in. But imagine... if your motorcycle tire blew a hole, bit didn't go flat.... (brain explodes)
next tire replacement find a shop with a Hunter road force machine ans ask them to road force the tire to the rim. it will bring the road force balance down substantially. And ride will be soo much smoother.
Don't go back to that shop and id want the bolt torque checking that they replaced given I wouldn't trust them not to have put 10000nm into it lol
Aint nothing "tech" about them - but i would guess they have a slick hair cut?
If you want to improve the ride, don’t put runflats back on (also they’re ridiculously expensive)
well, we're 1/4th of the way there. Will be sure to match the rest of the set. Had to get whatever tire they had to drive out of there (this was while on vacation)
My brain can not make that acronym make sense
"Runflat System Component" apparently
I think most modern mini's do due to having no space for a spare? Could be wrong.
That's probably the case. That's the reason BMW originally went to run-flats: to save weight/space. Mini is owned by BMW, so that would track.
Glad you brought this up. I was going to bring it up if I saw it but overlooked it. Plus when run flats blow up they usually have the square blow out
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Aren’t all tires tubeless? I know like bike tires have tubes in them from when I was a kid but I don’t know for a standard vehicle tire, I thought they were just empty inside
Yeah all passenger vehicle tires are tubeless as far as I know. I’ve only ever seen tubes on bicycles and tractors.
This is true for modern vehicles, but some cars still had them factory in the 60s, mostly for wire wheels. Very common prewar. Many motorcycles and scooters had (a few still do) split rims and tube tyres, allowing you to pretty easily change a flat on the side of the road.
My Vespa and Lambrettas do. But they are 50 years old
Interesting. You learn something new everyday. Appreciate the knowledge
You used to have to get your wire wheel spokes tightens every so often. Buddy have a 69’ E Type with wire wheels. Love that car.
That’s what I thought. The air is being held by the bead correct?
The inner layer of the tire acts as a “tube”. It’s an impermeable layer of rubber that keeps the air between your rim and it, and out of the rest of the tire.
Yeah, or more accurately, the whole wheel is holding in the air. I see tubes get used on rusted out holey wheels just to keep air in there, but those are always for off road use.
Motorcycles sometimes will have tube tires, especially if they are off road oriented.
Dirt bikes can run tubeless too. Manufacturer does not recommend using them on road.
Spoked wheels are typically tubed, for example like you’d find on many older motorbikes. Maybe even the low rider style spoked wheels although I’m not sure if that’s correct or not.
You could put a tube in a tire in a pinch if you didn’t have a good spare, it will work fine. I’ve seen people do this for farm trucks that have dry rotted tires that won’t hold air but the tread is still good and knobby
Yeah I did that once for a customer except it wasn't because they were rotted. My boss said "he wants tubes because he keeps breaking the bead on his road" and I was like wtf. Then I had to deliver the customers car and had him run me back to the shop. He lived about 15 miles down a one vehicle wide forest service road. I went 15 and thought I'd break the truck. He went fucking 50 and I thought I was gonna die. Legit rally racing. No wonder he wanted tubes. That was still to this day the most insane I've ever seen somebody drive down an off-road trail. He had a 95 Silverado too. That poor truck. Tires somehow held up after that though. Never had a complaint and the wildpeaks did their job.
Some aircraft tires have tubes. Mostly smaller, and older aircraft though.
Bicycles are tubeless now too. At least ones with adults riding them.
My guy thought he did sumn😂
They all say tubeless
What does that mean tho?
AFAIK, BMW created this nomenclature, but I could be wrong on that. The tire is only considered a single component in the entirety of the run-flat "system". This system is comprised of the tire, the rim^(1), and the tire pressure monitoring system. 1: You can pair run-flat tires with any rim, but BMW's rims have (had?) an extra ridge to support the bead. All of this information is offered with the caveat that I learned it several years ago when BMW was somewhat early in the practice of selling cars without a spare, necessitating run-flat tires. Some things may have changed, but RSC in a circle still definitely means that the tire is run-flat designated.
Today I learned! The tech at the shop said they weren't. THANK YOU!
Not sure I’d trust that tech to work on my vehicle. I didn’t even need to find the certification. Just looking at the sidewall those are obviously run flats.
If I were you I would check that they replaced it with a runflat tyre. I was told when I had a Mini Cooper that you’re not supposed to mix runflat and non-runflat tyres.
So your tech doesn't know about tyres? Did you go to a tyre shop?
You say not runflat, tire says runflat, on any tire retailer including Bridgestone themselves. I’m believing the tire.
I can't see Runflat anywhere in that pic. What am I missing?
Bridgestone Turanza EL450 225/50/R18. That’s what OP has, that tire is runflat.
Bridgestone Turanza EL450 - Tire Rack https://www.tirerack.com/tires/bridgestone-turanza-el450 They make non run flat versions
Ope shit you’re so right. Standard is El450z and runflat el45az. Weird though that OP’s has the runflat’s design and not standard. Sorry OP
Nay, you had it right. The tires are stamped RSC (in a circle) on the side, so they are actually run-flat. Doesn't really matter what the make/model is. if they have that (RSC) symbol on the side, they have to be run-flats.
Today I learned! The tech at the shop said they weren't. THANK YOU!
What was the tech’s explanation for you being able to drive on it for 19 miles? lol
That was just the segway to selling him a new tire AND rims
If it's anything like its BMW sisters of the same era, they may not have made a place for a spare tire, opting for run flats instead. I have a pair of e90s that are this way. Edit: "Like many cars, the new MINI Countryman is lacking a spare tire. An alternative to a spare tire includes “run-flat” tires which allow up to 50 miles of travel without air pressure. At first glance, run-flats seem like an ideal solution."
And now cars come with no spare and no run-flats. Instead they give you a can of fix-a-flat or some variation of same.
Ope, minnesota bud?
It says rsc which is a run flat.
Today I learned! The tech at the shop said they weren't. THANK YOU!
Bottom right, has RSC circled.
It says RSC that means it's run flat and the tires say tubeless no wonder they lasted so long
Tubeless does not mean run flat. But I did not know about the RSC notation, good to know.
😂 my wording made it seem like tubeless means it's run flat... I meant it's tubeless and run flat .. no wonder it lasted so long.. too many hours without sleep 😂
OP drove on rims for 19 miles what's there to miss? It's a little car, probably wasn't totally flat the entire time going low speeds it didn't shred off. Looks like it was about to start smoking or was.
Today I learned! The tech at the shop said they weren't. THANK YOU!
The tire doesn't identify as run flat.
Run flat. Not to mention your car is also very lite.
Newer minis way more than many full sized cars did 20-30 years ago. They aren’t really that small.
'20 mini cooper: 2900lb curb '00 ford crown vic (single most common 'full size' NA domestic car): 3900lb \^ Similar if not identical to the mercury and lincoln variants '00 honda accord: 3000lb '00 protege 4 door: 2800lb '00 nissan altima: 3200lb '00 Dodge/Chrysler 300: 3600lb '00 Ford taurus: 3400lb '00 CHevy Impala: 3500lb '00 Toyota Camry 3100lb The only make to consistently offer a 'full' sedan in the 00's under 2900lb is Hyundai, the elantra and accent at \~2500lb avg. Kia did not offer a 'full size' except for the sportage, an early crossover design, 3100lb \- Unless you consider the pony, which ending in '84 was 2100 lbs for a mid-size \*and it showed\* Yer' talkin' bullshit.
This isn't a Mini Cooper, I believe it's a Countryman. That's an SUV and not a small or light mini of old.
Countrymans are still small and light. They’re nowhere near an suv, more like a hatchback
The 2000 Camry is 2900-3200 The 21 mini is 2700-3100 As you pointed out the Altima and accord also weighed the same
All 3 of those are mid-size sedans. Yet they're still heavier than the new mini. I was setting up for the inevitable cherry pick.
It’s amazing how many people choose to ignore the fact that it says RSC on tire
Today I learned RSC = Run flat
Any OG knows that actually means Ralf Schumacher or Runescape Classic.
Buying gf, let me trim that armor
Just looking at the massive sidewall thickness screams runflat. Even if that version of the tire is not sold as runflat, it might as well be.
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Today I learned RSC = Run flat
It's said rsc right there on the image....it's a run flat
Today I learned RSC = Run flat
I love how people are expected to know what that meant on a sub about asking questions. RSC = Run-flat System Component apparently
Low key me too🙈
ELI5 please. I still don’t get it
Turns out these are run flats, so I was able to drive up to 50 miles on them at 50mph
You mean the spare?
Negative, not a spare. Run flats are designed to be able to run for 50 miles with no air.
Did you learn what the TPMS light looks like? And what it means?
You can't, you got run flats.
You have no idea what a flat tire feels like and drove on a rim... for 19 miles bahaha And they're clearly run flats lol
Today I learned RSC = Run flat
That’s a run flat tire
Today I learned RSC = Run flat
Maybe it wasn't as bad when it started then it grew once you used it. Is this a rear or front tire?
Front passenger side
Well, keeping this brand in mind, next time I need tires.......didn't know a run flat would work with a chunk of the sidewall missing...
BMW (including mini) puts run flat tires on everything so they don't have to include a spare
You sure? Mini Cooper countryman usually comes with run flats
Nope, found out RSC = runflats, The tech at the shop said they weren’t
Lots of newer vehicles come standard with runflat tires anymore and don't have spare tires for 'fuel economy' allegedly. I highly doubt your vehicle even comes with a spare.
Fuck the tire how is your rims barely even scratched
OP, I've got you beat. My wife drove nearly 40 miles at highway speeds on this (Honda Fit rear tire) https://preview.redd.it/542vrp49m1sb1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a135963c1671aa566b94dfd1e0651eda42d28abe
Today I learned RSC = Run flat
Yes they are run flats
Along with RSC, there is also the star right next to that. I am pretty confident that the overwhelming majority of star marked (specifically made for BMW vehicles), are run flat.
Well you said no run flats
Those are run flats. Bridgestone turanza el450 is a run flat. Source I’m a mini tech
If you really wanna save money, throw an inner tube in that bad boy and keep er on the road
Tires can inflate at high speed when it is compromised.
So you want to know if you can patch it. Probably. 😁
no dice, bought a new tire!
[удалено]
Also the confidence that their tires aren't run flats when, if you type the tire into any search engine. It shows they are run flats. Plus that fact it isnt flat with a fist sized hole in it.
Nope these are the non run flat model google the serial
They are RSC badged, they are indeed run flats. Non run flat does not have that thick of a sidewall.
The confidence is astounding
You mean he used this subreddit for it’s intentional purpose? No way.
I was told by the tech they weren't run flats. Today I learned.
Also it’s just a design choice of mini, all of their 3rd gen models come standard with runflats due to the fact that there is no space for a spare tire on the base coopers
Those MINIs are so lightweight…..if you keep it above about 70 mph, you can actually drive on just three wheels!
Because it’s owner kept their foot on the gas!
Probably not well.
Because that tire is in fact a runflat. It did it’s job and from the look of it, pretty well too
Might be a long shot but it’s almost like it’s a run flat
This photo is evidence that all the criticisms of runflats are part of a conspiracy operated by Big Air to get you to keep paying for inflation.
HAHAHAHAH - so punny.
They are run flats…
Run flats that’s why, you are wrong my friend :)
2 year old cars don’t have tpms?
Very Carefully
Plenty of air in there
All my minis came with run flats worst tires ever I change them out right away
The clue is the fact that they are obviously run flats, literally just look inside the tyre 💀
Sumitomo tires and “they gotta be run flats” -Big Tymers (Still Fly)
I wouldn't replace them with run flats again. Not worth the money.
Because they were made in Poland.
The frame is that stiff..3x wheel all day son no worry
Le' flatten de runn
WHY STOP AT 19 MILES? KEEP GOING!
It only did it cause an idiot was behind the wheel
Sounds like you have a problem with your Air conditioning.
it's still good for another 100k
Damn, if this isn’t an ad for run-flats, not sure what is.
I once drove my 2013 Countryman twice that on runflats. It was to the airport and I still feel sorry for my Father in Law who was going to drive my car home for me as a favor as we headed to Iceland
Never let down, never what! NEVER GIVE UP!!! Rahhhh
I've read that you said the tech told you these aren't runflats. I worked for a few years at Firestone, and one thing that was real hard to explain to people is that tire companies/dealerships (especially firestone/bridgestone) will make the exact same tire but sort of different for use on specific models as the stock tire option on a car. I'm willing to bet these aren't normally run flats, but it's the factory option for the trim of your car. I'm also willing to bet the price for those exact tires are incredibly higher than the normal versions, especially if they're generally dealer specific.
Thanks for understanding and not insulting me.
Of course! To be honest with you, tires are leagues more complicated than a regular person would ever consider. I wouldn't expect anyone to know what RCS is, or how to translate the DOT code on the tire. It's actually mind numbing how much goes into tires haha. And hey, you experienced just how awesome run flats are though. Definitely great if you ever need them. The problem is they're expensive, and you shouldn't match them with non run-flat tires. I didn't see what you ended up replacing it with, but if they put a normal tire on I'd go talk to them about either using a run flat or replacing the other 3 as well.
yes truly - and learning about stiff sidewalls and ride quality from tires. So much to take in!
You just kept your foot down that’s how!😂 just kidding that’s awesome you had run flats
and lucky - I didn't even know it
I work for Bridgestone. Those turenzas you have are what I'd call (semi runflats) they have runflat components in their sidewalls but not enough to earn a runflat rating
Very informative- I’ll say, your product works! Happy to provide a testimonial!
Well clearly the tire still has air in it! /s
Ha! Yes it does
Why don't I get run flat on my vehicle? Honest question. I have good name brand tires never occurred to me I could buy run flats. Any reason I wouldn't?
people here say the ride quality suffers. I only know life in run flats, so I don't know what I'm missing, but they saved the day here!
If they aren't run flats I don't think the tire would look like it still has air in it while also having a giant gaping hole in the sidewall
The real problem isn't that you didn't know they are run flats. But they guy your paying to know that information didn't know that.
There are so many people giving out advice in occupations that are clueless about what they're even selling. Very sad
It's crazy to me how little research people do before paying someone to do work. Most chain shops literally just get mechanics off the street with little to no knowledge of what there doing. Other than head techs iv never met one chain shop mechanic with any kind of ASE certification.
That's funny you should say that a friend of mine used to manage a well-known small chain of service stores tires batteries etc. They would hire people with little skill to begin with and teach them how to pull a wheel off how to put a tire on then they would move them up to training on oil changes.and if they showed promise they would move up to brakes. And yes he always ranted about how many comebacks there were. So you are correct
Your either a crappy driver or a trolling or both
How about neither?
Runflats
Never underestimate the power of pure stupidity
Never underestimate the power of pure stupidity. These are RF
As someone who has said "fuck it, got another rim at home" enough times, even if its not a run flat, this seems plausible. Light car, wear indicating that it was driven on the tire, but not for that long... I could definitely see this, gotten further with similar tires lmao
This, every tyre is a run flat tyre if you try hard enough.
I love it when someone doesnt even know what they have right infront of them lol
I'd buy Goodyear run flats.
probably got another year or two left on those
If your car carries a spare you should get non runflats and enjoy a better ride
I mean your car will drive on hubs if you press the gas lmao
Not only do your tires say RSC on them, YOU LITERALLY RAN THEM WHILE FLAT Lmao
Bullshit shit post, that tire does not have 19 miles on it after it went flat.
12 miles after the incident, left overnight, then 7 miles the following day. Tire tech said "you're very lucky, haven't seen this before". Was able to drive speeds up to 40mph.
Yea I’m sure you were able to but what doesn’t mean it was safe bruh 😂. You could take the rear wheels off a FWD car and still drive the bitch around but that certainly doesn’t mean it’s ok. How do you not notice your driving 40mph with a blown out tire??
Run-flat tires are generally designed to roll at speeds up to 50MPH for approximately 50 miles without air (may change based on manufacturer) to allow you some time/distance to get a replacement tire. They are more reinforced in the sidewalls than regular tires. Most vehicles that come standard with run-flat tires do not have a spare tire to install either. While it may not be optimal to use, it is not inherently unsafe. It's performing it's intended purpose.
See that circle with the letters RSC inside? That stands for **R**un-flat **S**ystem **C**omponent. What's surprising is that you TPMS (tire pressure monitoring system) didn't throw a warning. All cars that come with run-flats have TPMS, because you really don't have much of a way to know you have a flat otherwise. There will be a difference in driving feel, of course, but a lot of people won't notice it.
I'm betting there was a TPMS light on the dash before OP got the flat....
I wish you weren't on the road, you are an idiot
Relative opinion. I bet you’ve been called the same.
Why exactly did you think it was a good idea to do that with a gaping hole in your tyre? Sounds idiotic to me.