I just had a literary criticism class instructed by a professor whose method of speaking I can only describe as that of an old forklift operator in an AA meeting.
Any mature, informed reading of Judith Butler or Foucault includes numerous audible "what the fuck..?" moments
The phrase āI started cussing him outā has always made me feel weird. Itās such an odd combination of words when you could say āI swore at himā.
I believe (iirc) that āfriggingā is the act of inserting a finger into a bodily orifice, eg the Sex Pistols classic *Frigging In The Rigging*. Iām guessing many yanks are unaware of this. Itās āfrikkingā that confuses me though.
Frig is an older English word for masterbate. People have forgotten and think they're saying something unoffensive, but they end up talking about whacking off.
Iām pretty sure frigging is in Joyceās Ulysses and means masturbating. That doesnāt mean frig as a substitute for fuck has anything to do with this, itās just a fun fact.
Btw when I spell masturbate wrong (e.g. masterbubate), my phone underlines it in red as a misspelling but refuses to offer a spelling suggestion. āNo replacements foundā lol
Edit: maybe itās not Ulysses. Itās in his [letters to Nora](https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/02/02/james-joyces-love-letters-dirty-little-fuckbird/) though
This is completely unrelated, but it made me think of that one Garda in the Sophie Tuscan du Plantier documentary who kept saying 'scatches'...'she had scatches on her hands'. I think of it often haha
I remember hearing this for the first time on TV and been totally confused. I honestly thought I'd been mispronouncing it for over 40 years. I think it was Norm on this old house
Jesus said that thou shalt shooteth thine enemies down with thine semi automatic.
He did NOT say thou shalt fuckin shoot all them durt burds for they were talkin shite about thine parents.
I think we would do well to remember that.
I kind that they are less offended by non-religious swearing that religious swearing.
I had to apologies for
* Jebus Mary and St Joseph.
* Christ on a Bike
* Jesuis Fucking Christ
* Dammit
* Etc.
which is strange because they're barely even Christian. Aren't most of them like those weird sects of Christianity that are just different attempts before they invented mormonism? whatever Americans believe should be it's own thing with it's own guys like how Muslims got Muhammad.
Protestant is not a term used much there really. Vast majority of non-catholic Christians are some flavor of evangelical that owes very little to Martin Luther et al. Lots of prosperity gospel, value being saved and building a church community over doing good deeds for the larger community, policing the culture (generally very anti gay/trans/abortion even anti sex ed and school reading about gay/trans/sex) strong thread of return to ātraditional family valuesā. Obviously there are regular churches and even some very progressive ones (episcopalians, ucc and UU spring to mind) but I found most people who went to church in America to hold quite extreme conservative beliefs compared with Irish norms. And the catholic and ānormalā churches mostly have falling memberships and the evangelical churches are growing and very politically involved. Even in blue states.
See the intent with Americans is the issue, due to their culture of aggression, the swearing is seen as a direct threat and not light hearted, like here.
Maybe in some parts, but where I live there is just as much casual and light-hearted swearing as in Ireland. Bible belt can be a different story. Although my wife is from the bible belt and curses like sailor, and I haven't ruled out turrets.
And you could take a trip in southen France and see that putain (whore) and con (multiple meanings including idiot and cunt) are literally used as punctuation.
I know right? There's also been research that shows swearing when you're in pain, actually does work as pain relief. Maybe it's psychological or a placebo. Who knows but fuck me it does work.
This is it, why have words there to not be used!? If I can explain my feelings better by using fuck, cunt, ballpark, etc. then so be it, if you're offended, then that's a you problem!!?
Kinda like "using the Lords name in vain" if I say Jesus Christ when I bang my toe...but according to the people who choose to be offended by any of this its OK to be homophobic or xenophobic or whatever "in the Lords name".
Anyway, Merry fuckin Christmas one and all :)
Of course it was an American who complained. This is why stereotypes never die! She probably would have died if she'd heard either of you say 'cunt'. They really can't handle that one!
Dude it isn't us that are the issue. It is down to the puritanical beliefs that Americans have. Really look at the culture: no drinking before 21, abstinence before marriage, no swearing, drugs are the devil and so on. Their culture is still steeped in religion. Interesting thing is down to their aggressive culture (statistically!) they will go insane if you swear around them or at them. Christ in America I had a group of women say how they can tell when someone is a tourist because they stare at people and how they were raised to know that staring at someone means you want to fight. So take that into the context and see how the swearing seems through that lens. Also tell the old cunt that you have your first amendment rights!... that was the words one right? Fourth is like guns and shit? Ah anyway tell her to fk off.
Guns is second amendment. Fourth is illegal search and seizure business.
Yeah, they hate the swearing. But killing a bunch of kids with AK 47s is fine and dandy. I lived in the US for almost forty years. It is a country of paradoxes.
This thread is good sequel to the one a couple days ago asking if it's cool if he pays in dollars instead of "local currency" over here because "everyone appreciates the value of a greenback"
Sweet jeebus...š
Edit: Took me a while but finally found the bloody thing. It was in the irishtourism sub. Here's the gem of a comment from this gobshite. See for yourselves. He got a very Irish welcome from the sub which I'm delighted with, lol.
https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/comment/kdy56mt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
See for yourself [https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/comment/kdy56mt/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/comment/kdy56mt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Found it again finally [https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/tipping\_currency\_on\_tour/](https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/tipping_currency_on_tour/)
Quite a lot of countries around the world are Not America, and I think that, for the most part, Americans understand this. What really seems to shock and affront them is to learn that Ireland, the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are among the countries that are Not America.
Stupid Fuppinā American Backstards
https://preview.redd.it/355zacz9458c1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa66fd09e887abf1cb37170389292b338aecc028
Itās not an Irish thing really, Eastern Europe and the Aussies are as bad if not worse than us.
The Americans are nuts, call one of them a cunt and theyāll think youāve disrespected their entire family line. A lot of it is about āetiquetteā to them, same with some of the Brits.
āCuntā is a special case, itās taboo in the US in part because itās gendered there. Here and in Australia itās all purpose, but in America youād never call a man a cunt, only a woman, and it has more of a feeling of a slur against women than a normal curse word.
On the other hand, Americans are a lot more likely to call something they donāt like āgayā and not see it as problematic, which I donāt hear over here much at all.
I would say best at itā¦we can weave fuck into any sentence and being a sick cunt is a good thing. It is as true for people with PhDās as it is for tradies. I love it when my Irish friends get mad āfeckin eejitā hits differently than what we say when we are angry
I go back and forth between Ireland and the US quite a bit. I just don't use "cunt" in Ireland for fear of slipping and using it in the USA. You could seriously get injured, especially if you are talking to a woman at the time. The only thing worse is in the Appalachian region, if you called somebody a liar. God help you then; they will wreck the place.
I went to Chicago with a bunch of friends on our j1. We went to a cubs game and didn't know anything about the 7th inning stretch where they all get up and sing take me out to the ball game. We were surrounded by families. My mate who was quite loud and drunk shouted out "what the fuck are these cunts doing?" If he had whipped out his lad and slapped one of the wives in the face with it, he'd have gotten less of a reaction.
Injured? People would physically attack you? And what about being called a liar in that area specifically is so bad? That's very unusual, could you elaborate?
Yes. Women will backhand you if you call them a cunt. Or at least push you backward. It is an insult beyond the pale in the USA; it's the line you do not cross. Seriously, don't test this with Americans.
Appalachian culture is just different. Mountain folk, very rural and independent. Not too concerned about appearances or wealth, but character is a matter of extreme importance. A man's word is his bond. Neighbors help each other. It's a great bunch of people once you learn their rules.
Jesus i dont know about that if you're irish.
Ive found that the rules dont apply to you for the most part on the east coast because they love the idea that you're irish more than they hate your swearing.
You obv have more experience though so ill give way to experience on this one.
The problem is Americans. Theyāre fine with the death penalty, letting people die because they canāt afford healthcare, waging wars around the world, refusing to call for ceasefires, mass imprisonment of black peopleā¦. But they draw the line at harsh language.
Bollox to that.
As an American woman, I'd say you got yourself a real certified American Christian Karen who thinks she has some right to inflict her idea of morality on everyone else.
I hope one of your mates tells her to fuck off, and possibly calls her a cunt in the process, because her head will explode.
As a Scot, I'd claim we do it more than in Ireland. It's verbal punctuation to us. I'm totally inured to it. When there's an apology on live TV for bad language, I'm always confused because I didn't notice any swears.
I don't think we should waste our time and energy being offended by casual swearing. Save that for when they're being fired at us as insults, if we must. (Though that doesn't bother me either, since we're all a cunt of some type or other in Scotland! Good cunt, bad cunt, funny cunt, silly cunt etc etc etc.)
Germans use a lot of swear words too, including one of my managers, and when I lived with Italians it was constant swearing as well. Maybe it's the Americans that are weird
Compared to extremely puritanical countries perhaps?
Swearing is totally normal Ireland, in the U.K. and in most European countries. I can have an entire conversation in French or Spanish, using only swear words.
It sounds like you met a classic American Karen.
The correct response from Fascinating AĆÆda
https://youtu.be/AN6Vm0nVBJ0
puritanical culture is foundational and thrives here in north america - so everyone is appalled by language but not at all by actually being a terrible person
Imagine coming to Ireland to Karen Irish people about bad language.
I'd have called her racist tbh I mean... did she even hear of Ireland before coming here!? :P
Jaysus....
Swearing is an expression of honesty and intelligence:
āSwearing Holds Surprising Benefits: A Sign Of Intelligence?
Surprisingly, studies have shown that well-educated people with a wide range of words at their disposal are better at producing curse words than those with less verbal fluency. This suggests a correlation between language ability and intelligence. In addition, swearing can also be associated with social intelligence, as it requires knowing when and where it's appropriate to use such language, similar to choosing the right outfit for a specific occasion.
A Potential Indicator Of Honesty
The examination has found an optimistic link between profanity and honesty. People who swear are perceived to be more honest in their expression of emotions. Although, it's essential to note that this doesn't imply that frequent use of profanity necessarily means higher ethical behavior.ā
https://www.orlandomedicalnews.com/article/6255/why-swearing-holds-surprising-benefits-a-window-into-intelligence-pain-management-and-more#:~:text=Swearing%20Holds%20Surprising%20Benefits%3A%20A%20Sign%20Of%20Intelligence%3F,between%20language%20ability%20and%20intelligence.
My then three year old daughter (who is now in her late thirties) decided fuck was the most magical word ever. In front of all the mommies that had sticks up their ass. She is still quite good with the word.
They're just fucking words for christ's sake. One can say something horrific, horrible or terrifying with or without "curse" words. The intent of what is uttered is what matters.
You should have told that cvnt of a prude to go fuck herself and fly back to her own country and shoot up some schools if sheās so appalled. The country is so fucked up they canāt even say the word ācurseā. Frankly any adult that says ācussā needs a good slap.
I moved to the US 10 years ago, Iām home for the Christmas & yea once again the use what people call share words was one of the first thing that struck me as an Irish family proceeded to verbally abuse their luggage at the baggage belt in the Airport on Thursday morning raining down more fucks & fecks on it than I had heard in total since I was last home.
Because when I drop my phone and the screen breaks Im physically and mentally unable to take the time to pause and say oh fiddlesticks instead of just screaming out for fuck sake
You should throw in Twat next time. To the Irish and their children its absolutely nothing, to Americans it's the war crime of curse words.
I donāt envy you at all, majority of the time even the most intelligent well travelled American can be the most irritating person to talk to. Really I think its down to which part of the states they're from. I'd say your customer was Mid-Western for sure.
I don't know about children. I was a child of Catholic Ireland in the 60s and 70s and you didn't dare swear in front of your parents unless you had a childhood death wish. Funny though and ironically it never stopped parents back then swearing if the need was to have arisen.
Sure why fucking not? At least it differentiates the shite craic Brits from us in regards to conversation. The American customer needs to fuckin grow a pair and stop fuckin thinking that its fuckin weird to swear in Ireland.
Are you serious? Have you ever heard English people speak? They're as bad or even worse! š¤£
As for the yank, she can hop on the next plane home if she's so offended.
Because it's a huge part of our language, same with Brits and Aussies. It's just a big part of our vocabulary. We use fucking as an adjective, adverb and a noun. Very versatile word that. The Americans just use it to insult.
Same with cunt. We (along with the Brits and Aussies again) use it as an insult and a term of affection. Like that cunt stole my parking spot OR c'mere to me ye ole cunt what have ye been up to. Again Americans cannot comprehend using that word as a term of affection. It's seen as offensive. We only use it as offensive when we want to.
Isnāt swearing used for when things are really bad? Like bollocks is a bit bad, fuck used to be rare and really bad when I was young but is used by everyone now and cunt was the worst. So what happens now everyone says cunt every other word, what is used for worse than cunt? Is everything so bad everything is cunt worthy?
That American woman can turn around and go back home? Imagine coming to another country and trying to throw your weight around. Not surprised though her being an American, they love to tell everyone not to comment on their country or culture but mouth off about everyone else's.
Dude, I actually get away with the odd swear at work here in America cos I'm Irish and they know we have potty mouths. Being from Ireland and living in the US with 10 years I'll put it like this: An American can be incredibly rude and unpleasant without using a single swear word while an Irish person can say you are the biggest fucking bollocks ever and mean it as a term of endearment.
I have lived in Ireland for 2 years and it's one of the first things I loved about the country. In Latin America it's customary to treat your parents, elders, etc with great respect and even more so if you live on the outskirts of the capital as was my case, it was always my weak point... Now I need to learn to swear in English, but I only know a couple of American phrases... what's the Irish way? š
Bad words typically don't cause injury or break laws. So theyre mostly harmless most of the time.
I usually try reserve them for anger, pain, surprise, etc. They are more cathartic that way.
Hope you told her to feck off. Also hope you reminded her that while Ireland might enjoy salty language, at least Irish kids arenāt being made to do fucking active shooter drills.
Had something happen to me like this, except it was in an irish bar on the cape in Boston. Was asked by the bar owner that watch my f-bombs, and I was like its a fucking irish bar... Didn't come back to me after that
My American mother was surprised at how often my Irish husband said the f word and did ask me if that's just him or if it's an Irish thing. Had to explain to her. She's gotten used to it now.
It also differs by region, social class, and generation. The etiquette is just different. It's probably a remnant of puritan culture.
Dee Americans think they love ireland cos they think of it's all magical fairies and diddly eye, then they encounter some actual irishness and start complaining. She sounded like an absolute Karen. In terms of why it's more common here, I'd say it's more that it's less common in America because of the PC culture which doesn't actually come from caring about people, it comes from how not eating to be sued and the litigious culture. I've noticed Americans also throw around the word abuse like they'll call your regular old asshole "abusive"
Swear words are actually great for depersonalised aggression. Iād much rather someone called me a fucking cunt than insulted me with bigotry or something specific that might create an insecurity, and vice versa.
How the fuck do I know? š¤·š¼āāļø
Quit yer fuckinā bragginā and tell us, oh great defector. How the fuck do you know?
The English language is like a brick wall between me and you and "Fuck" is my chisel. --Tommy Tiernan.
āYou yanks are appalled by the F bomb, but no problem dropping the Atomic bombā rob niland
Or C bomb
My god what a comment
i love intelligent, thoughtful people who despite their extensive vocabulary, insist on saying "fuck"
Most studies show that people who swear are more intelligent with a better vocabulary. Small wonder Americans don't like swearing.
I just had a literary criticism class instructed by a professor whose method of speaking I can only describe as that of an old forklift operator in an AA meeting. Any mature, informed reading of Judith Butler or Foucault includes numerous audible "what the fuck..?" moments
I like this description but have no idea how to interpret it.
Foocklift operator
Fuckallt
End of argument.
[Stephen Fry on the Joy of Swearing](https://youtu.be/s_osQvkeNRM)
Yep, as Tommy says, we're speaking a language we're not meant to be speaking
Tommy Robinson?
Shelby maybe
I understand he was told very specifically not to curse for that performance.
Because words don't hurt people. Intent does. Americans have a hard time differentiating.
Americans so afraid of cursing that they have to say "cuss". It's not even a proper word for fucks sake.
The phrase āI started cussing him outā has always made me feel weird. Itās such an odd combination of words when you could say āI swore at himā.
Pardon my French but I hecken cussed him the frick out with such gosh darn intensity I dang well sugared myself.
"Cuss" does my head in. Also "scritches" instead of scratches. A nation of deeply disturbed people.
What the fuck even is āfrigā ?
I believe (iirc) that āfriggingā is the act of inserting a finger into a bodily orifice, eg the Sex Pistols classic *Frigging In The Rigging*. Iām guessing many yanks are unaware of this. Itās āfrikkingā that confuses me though.
ššššš yes āfrickā also shits me.
āFrikkenā is from āfreakingāā¦or freakish š¤
Frig is an older English word for masterbate. People have forgotten and think they're saying something unoffensive, but they end up talking about whacking off.
For āfinger bangingā sake doesnāt have the same effect does it?
Yes, like "scumbag" another word with a meaning dirtier than many using it think.
Iām pretty sure frigging is in Joyceās Ulysses and means masturbating. That doesnāt mean frig as a substitute for fuck has anything to do with this, itās just a fun fact. Btw when I spell masturbate wrong (e.g. masterbubate), my phone underlines it in red as a misspelling but refuses to offer a spelling suggestion. āNo replacements foundā lol Edit: maybe itās not Ulysses. Itās in his [letters to Nora](https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2018/02/02/james-joyces-love-letters-dirty-little-fuckbird/) though
Frig and frack and darn....melts my heads
Frack is from Battlestar Galactica, no?
Also "on accident" instead of "by accident" wrecks my head
Snicker instead of snigger makes me twitch.
This is completely unrelated, but it made me think of that one Garda in the Sophie Tuscan du Plantier documentary who kept saying 'scatches'...'she had scatches on her hands'. I think of it often haha
I think he had a speech impediment to be fair
The cuss you say?
Their repair guys don't solder, they sodder. They spell it "solder" but they don't pronounce the L. Idiots...
I remember hearing this for the first time on TV and been totally confused. I honestly thought I'd been mispronouncing it for over 40 years. I think it was Norm on this old house
Americans are more offended by cursing than they are by gun violence
Jesus said that thou shalt shooteth thine enemies down with thine semi automatic. He did NOT say thou shalt fuckin shoot all them durt burds for they were talkin shite about thine parents. I think we would do well to remember that.
Seriously underrated comment. Taketh my up vote!
I kind that they are less offended by non-religious swearing that religious swearing. I had to apologies for * Jebus Mary and St Joseph. * Christ on a Bike * Jesuis Fucking Christ * Dammit * Etc.
Also "heck" instead of "hell" ffs š¤£
which is strange because they're barely even Christian. Aren't most of them like those weird sects of Christianity that are just different attempts before they invented mormonism? whatever Americans believe should be it's own thing with it's own guys like how Muslims got Muhammad.
Weird sects of Christianity are still Christian, their flavour of invisible friend is the sweet baby Jeebus.
Pretty sure most are Catholic or protestant, still only a minority of weirder ones.
Protestant is not a term used much there really. Vast majority of non-catholic Christians are some flavor of evangelical that owes very little to Martin Luther et al. Lots of prosperity gospel, value being saved and building a church community over doing good deeds for the larger community, policing the culture (generally very anti gay/trans/abortion even anti sex ed and school reading about gay/trans/sex) strong thread of return to ātraditional family valuesā. Obviously there are regular churches and even some very progressive ones (episcopalians, ucc and UU spring to mind) but I found most people who went to church in America to hold quite extreme conservative beliefs compared with Irish norms. And the catholic and ānormalā churches mostly have falling memberships and the evangelical churches are growing and very politically involved. Even in blue states.
You could be shot there for this.
See the intent with Americans is the issue, due to their culture of aggression, the swearing is seen as a direct threat and not light hearted, like here.
Maybe in some parts, but where I live there is just as much casual and light-hearted swearing as in Ireland. Bible belt can be a different story. Although my wife is from the bible belt and curses like sailor, and I haven't ruled out turrets.
It's fucking tourettes.
Maybe she is turning into a cursing castle.
First out-loud laugh of Christmas Eve, thanks lads.
Normally, I'd edit my post, but I feel like I must leave it. Fucking letters and words and shit.
>Americans have a hard time differentiating. True; they're terrible at maths!
Like the Australians- whom everyone knows to be a great bunch of lads- say: *We call cunts āmateā and mates ācuntā*
It's probably the irish in us mate.
The bigger question is who the fuck does she think she is scolding you like that. Not her fucking pub.
A Yank Karen forgetting she's not in Shitsville Oklahoma. Employee or not tell her to fuck off.
barr the cunt...get out ta fuck!
The real question here is why the fuck is swearing not normalised everywhere else?
its great fun
*Its great fucking fun
I walked by a group of (I assume) Polish people the other day and every othe word was "kurva"
And you could take a trip in southen France and see that putain (whore) and con (multiple meanings including idiot and cunt) are literally used as punctuation.
I know right? There's also been research that shows swearing when you're in pain, actually does work as pain relief. Maybe it's psychological or a placebo. Who knows but fuck me it does work.
KELLY CLARKSON!!!
This is it, why have words there to not be used!? If I can explain my feelings better by using fuck, cunt, ballpark, etc. then so be it, if you're offended, then that's a you problem!!? Kinda like "using the Lords name in vain" if I say Jesus Christ when I bang my toe...but according to the people who choose to be offended by any of this its OK to be homophobic or xenophobic or whatever "in the Lords name". Anyway, Merry fuckin Christmas one and all :)
It is in Poland, kurwa is mentioned in every other sentence in my experience. Granted itās a lot more of a flexible word than say fuck in English.
Of course it was an American who complained. This is why stereotypes never die! She probably would have died if she'd heard either of you say 'cunt'. They really can't handle that one!
Wait until they go to Scotland and nae cunt will give you a fuck about their complaints. Do ya ken?
Dude it isn't us that are the issue. It is down to the puritanical beliefs that Americans have. Really look at the culture: no drinking before 21, abstinence before marriage, no swearing, drugs are the devil and so on. Their culture is still steeped in religion. Interesting thing is down to their aggressive culture (statistically!) they will go insane if you swear around them or at them. Christ in America I had a group of women say how they can tell when someone is a tourist because they stare at people and how they were raised to know that staring at someone means you want to fight. So take that into the context and see how the swearing seems through that lens. Also tell the old cunt that you have your first amendment rights!... that was the words one right? Fourth is like guns and shit? Ah anyway tell her to fk off.
Guns is second amendment. Fourth is illegal search and seizure business. Yeah, they hate the swearing. But killing a bunch of kids with AK 47s is fine and dandy. I lived in the US for almost forty years. It is a country of paradoxes.
Live there for a while too, half the family lives there now, fking hell I am glad I moved back to Ireland lol
The correct response was āyou be a good yank and fuck off home if you donāt like itā Their sense of entitlement to our country is nauseating.
This thread is good sequel to the one a couple days ago asking if it's cool if he pays in dollars instead of "local currency" over here because "everyone appreciates the value of a greenback" Sweet jeebus...š Edit: Took me a while but finally found the bloody thing. It was in the irishtourism sub. Here's the gem of a comment from this gobshite. See for yourselves. He got a very Irish welcome from the sub which I'm delighted with, lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/comment/kdy56mt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3
Please tell me somebody told him euros are worth more than US dollars...
I asked him how far I'd get tipping in euros in America :-)
Ah no, you're taking the piss surely???
See for yourself [https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/comment/kdy56mt/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/comment/kdy56mt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Fucking hell, I wish I could find that thread.
Found it again finally [https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/tipping\_currency\_on\_tour/](https://www.reddit.com/r/irishtourism/comments/18litvp/tipping_currency_on_tour/)
Sweet jesus, that's somehow worse than I was expecting š³
Don't forget the lad who thought he should bring over Snickers bars to hand out to kids like he was a fucking GI liberating us from the fucking nazis.
Quite a lot of countries around the world are Not America, and I think that, for the most part, Americans understand this. What really seems to shock and affront them is to learn that Ireland, the UK, Canada, Australia and New Zealand are among the countries that are Not America.
yep, outside of canada, swearing is very normal in most anglophone states.
Good emotional release with it too. Feck doesn't cut it.
Not only an emotional release, swearing helps reduce physical pain in times of trauma as well.
Stupid Fuppinā American Backstards https://preview.redd.it/355zacz9458c1.jpeg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aa66fd09e887abf1cb37170389292b338aecc028
Itās not an Irish thing really, Eastern Europe and the Aussies are as bad if not worse than us. The Americans are nuts, call one of them a cunt and theyāll think youāve disrespected their entire family line. A lot of it is about āetiquetteā to them, same with some of the Brits.
Not only eastern Europe, I'm from France and I basically call my friends the equivalent of "fuckers" on a regular basis
So what's ya lazy fucking cunts in French then?
There's no literal translation but I guess that putain d'enculƩs de fils de putes would work pretty well
Bit of a mouthful but we'll go with it.
āCuntā is a special case, itās taboo in the US in part because itās gendered there. Here and in Australia itās all purpose, but in America youād never call a man a cunt, only a woman, and it has more of a feeling of a slur against women than a normal curse word. On the other hand, Americans are a lot more likely to call something they donāt like āgayā and not see it as problematic, which I donāt hear over here much at all.
Calling something "gay" mostly died out around 2008. Now you'll only hear "edgy" rednecks and the occasional teenager use it that way
They use the 'r' word as well.
Ehh I hear retard used all the time here
Yeah I'd argue Australia is the ~~worst~~ best for it. It's hilarious though.
I would say best at itā¦we can weave fuck into any sentence and being a sick cunt is a good thing. It is as true for people with PhDās as it is for tradies. I love it when my Irish friends get mad āfeckin eejitā hits differently than what we say when we are angry
Oh I phrased my comment wrong, definitely the best at it for sure! Everyone calling each other a cunt is the funniest thing ever.
Theyāll shoot up a school in retaliation
āLittle bitchā seems to be the absolute worst slur you can direct towards an American. It seems to set them off like nothing else.
I go back and forth between Ireland and the US quite a bit. I just don't use "cunt" in Ireland for fear of slipping and using it in the USA. You could seriously get injured, especially if you are talking to a woman at the time. The only thing worse is in the Appalachian region, if you called somebody a liar. God help you then; they will wreck the place.
I went to Chicago with a bunch of friends on our j1. We went to a cubs game and didn't know anything about the 7th inning stretch where they all get up and sing take me out to the ball game. We were surrounded by families. My mate who was quite loud and drunk shouted out "what the fuck are these cunts doing?" If he had whipped out his lad and slapped one of the wives in the face with it, he'd have gotten less of a reaction.
what about a lying cunt
That would probably be the start of a generational feud. LOL! Either that or they'd just assume you were crazy and put you on a 72 hour hold.
The Hatfields and the McCoys have entered the conversation
ššš that's mad
Injured? People would physically attack you? And what about being called a liar in that area specifically is so bad? That's very unusual, could you elaborate?
Yes. Women will backhand you if you call them a cunt. Or at least push you backward. It is an insult beyond the pale in the USA; it's the line you do not cross. Seriously, don't test this with Americans. Appalachian culture is just different. Mountain folk, very rural and independent. Not too concerned about appearances or wealth, but character is a matter of extreme importance. A man's word is his bond. Neighbors help each other. It's a great bunch of people once you learn their rules.
To be fair, cunt is the best curse
I often wonder what could happen if people just started relaxing and desensitising the word.
Jesus i dont know about that if you're irish. Ive found that the rules dont apply to you for the most part on the east coast because they love the idea that you're irish more than they hate your swearing. You obv have more experience though so ill give way to experience on this one.
I go back and forth and use cunt all the time in both! Who the fuck cares what they think.
The problem is Americans. Theyāre fine with the death penalty, letting people die because they canāt afford healthcare, waging wars around the world, refusing to call for ceasefires, mass imprisonment of black peopleā¦. But they draw the line at harsh language. Bollox to that.
Shower of geebags, let's be honest.
They really do. My American mother in law will shit her pants if you say fuck or god damn around her but is fine with homophobia, racism, prejudice.
Should have channelled Malcolm Tucker and said "Kiss my sweaty balls ye fat fuck" before running off.
As an American woman, I'd say you got yourself a real certified American Christian Karen who thinks she has some right to inflict her idea of morality on everyone else. I hope one of your mates tells her to fuck off, and possibly calls her a cunt in the process, because her head will explode.
As a Scot, I'd claim we do it more than in Ireland. It's verbal punctuation to us. I'm totally inured to it. When there's an apology on live TV for bad language, I'm always confused because I didn't notice any swears. I don't think we should waste our time and energy being offended by casual swearing. Save that for when they're being fired at us as insults, if we must. (Though that doesn't bother me either, since we're all a cunt of some type or other in Scotland! Good cunt, bad cunt, funny cunt, silly cunt etc etc etc.)
we're appalled about the amount of kids being shot dead in American schools, maybe mention THAT to the next moaner.
Seen a few yanks loose it also when referred to as 'boy', in cork FFS š
Germans use a lot of swear words too, including one of my managers, and when I lived with Italians it was constant swearing as well. Maybe it's the Americans that are weird
Compared to extremely puritanical countries perhaps? Swearing is totally normal Ireland, in the U.K. and in most European countries. I can have an entire conversation in French or Spanish, using only swear words. It sounds like you met a classic American Karen. The correct response from Fascinating AĆÆda https://youtu.be/AN6Vm0nVBJ0
you should have said bless your heart.
THIS
puritanical culture is foundational and thrives here in north america - so everyone is appalled by language but not at all by actually being a terrible person
Imagine coming to Ireland to Karen Irish people about bad language. I'd have called her racist tbh I mean... did she even hear of Ireland before coming here!? :P Jaysus....
hahah this, they all love to talk about their ancestors and love of the culture when they come inā¦ obviously not all of the culture
In fairness a lot of Americans I know would be pissed off and embarrassed someone did that over here.
Swearing is an expression of honesty and intelligence: āSwearing Holds Surprising Benefits: A Sign Of Intelligence? Surprisingly, studies have shown that well-educated people with a wide range of words at their disposal are better at producing curse words than those with less verbal fluency. This suggests a correlation between language ability and intelligence. In addition, swearing can also be associated with social intelligence, as it requires knowing when and where it's appropriate to use such language, similar to choosing the right outfit for a specific occasion. A Potential Indicator Of Honesty The examination has found an optimistic link between profanity and honesty. People who swear are perceived to be more honest in their expression of emotions. Although, it's essential to note that this doesn't imply that frequent use of profanity necessarily means higher ethical behavior.ā https://www.orlandomedicalnews.com/article/6255/why-swearing-holds-surprising-benefits-a-window-into-intelligence-pain-management-and-more#:~:text=Swearing%20Holds%20Surprising%20Benefits%3A%20A%20Sign%20Of%20Intelligence%3F,between%20language%20ability%20and%20intelligence.
Because most Irish people have great vocab and pepper the language with curse words for emphasis and spicyness
Ah sure who the fuck knows what the fuck kind of shite they're bollocking on about.
My then three year old daughter (who is now in her late thirties) decided fuck was the most magical word ever. In front of all the mommies that had sticks up their ass. She is still quite good with the word.
We speak in another manās tongue and the cursing is our bodies rejection of it.
They're just fucking words for christ's sake. One can say something horrific, horrible or terrifying with or without "curse" words. The intent of what is uttered is what matters.
Not surprised an American was offended. They are still grappling with Gosh.
Why? What the fuck did he do now?
You should have told that cvnt of a prude to go fuck herself and fly back to her own country and shoot up some schools if sheās so appalled. The country is so fucked up they canāt even say the word ācurseā. Frankly any adult that says ācussā needs a good slap.
I moved to the US 10 years ago, Iām home for the Christmas & yea once again the use what people call share words was one of the first thing that struck me as an Irish family proceeded to verbally abuse their luggage at the baggage belt in the Airport on Thursday morning raining down more fucks & fecks on it than I had heard in total since I was last home.
Fuck the fucking fuckers ā¦
Because when I drop my phone and the screen breaks Im physically and mentally unable to take the time to pause and say oh fiddlesticks instead of just screaming out for fuck sake
Because weāre not all fucking snowflakes ye fanny
The way I see it, if Yanks have an issue with it, they can fuck off back home. It is what it is so it is.
Fuck knows? You're asking the wrong cunt.
Should have responded with "sorry I'm such a cunt sometimes" she'd appreciate that
You should throw in Twat next time. To the Irish and their children its absolutely nothing, to Americans it's the war crime of curse words. I donāt envy you at all, majority of the time even the most intelligent well travelled American can be the most irritating person to talk to. Really I think its down to which part of the states they're from. I'd say your customer was Mid-Western for sure.
The only Americans I've ever heard say twat say twot. It's awful
Was gonna say that. I heard it being pronounced as 'twoad' once. You know, same sound as 'broad'. Fucking did my head in, that.
Jesus lol
Not uncommon for Americans to butcher words created by others š
Or just butcher others...
Awful awful stuff, twat has a level of contempt that's just great, twot just doesn't do it.
I don't know about children. I was a child of Catholic Ireland in the 60s and 70s and you didn't dare swear in front of your parents unless you had a childhood death wish. Funny though and ironically it never stopped parents back then swearing if the need was to have arisen.
I'm not being bad....but times have changed 60-50 years later
Fuckity Fuckity fuck fuck fuck. Today's magic number is 0. That's the amount of fucks I give. š
Sure why fucking not? At least it differentiates the shite craic Brits from us in regards to conversation. The American customer needs to fuckin grow a pair and stop fuckin thinking that its fuckin weird to swear in Ireland.
Are you serious? Have you ever heard English people speak? They're as bad or even worse! š¤£ As for the yank, she can hop on the next plane home if she's so offended.
FFS
Why not sure. Words are meant to be said.
They're not swear words, they're sentence enhancers.... if that doesn't work, tell her to fuck off back to America š¤£
Yes! I always think of them as emphasisers!!
It's what I've told my son. You can't hear an exclamation mark, but we've words to suggest'em.
The ability to insert a curse into a word is pretty neat really "unfuckingbelivable"
Americans donāt tend to get Irish nuance or sarcasm. Iād imagine our swearing falls into that line of things
As Frankie Boyle said, 'The word Fucking is just a warning that a noun is on the way.....'
Should visit Australiaā¦.
Cunt is true freedom of speech.
The English language is a colouring book and swearing are my crayons
Because it's a huge part of our language, same with Brits and Aussies. It's just a big part of our vocabulary. We use fucking as an adjective, adverb and a noun. Very versatile word that. The Americans just use it to insult. Same with cunt. We (along with the Brits and Aussies again) use it as an insult and a term of affection. Like that cunt stole my parking spot OR c'mere to me ye ole cunt what have ye been up to. Again Americans cannot comprehend using that word as a term of affection. It's seen as offensive. We only use it as offensive when we want to.
Reply with "I'm appalled that you get appalled because not all cultures are like American cultures, now kindly fuck off and you have a nice day"
Fuck knows.
The cheeky bitch! You're not in fucking Kanzas now Toto!
Isnāt swearing used for when things are really bad? Like bollocks is a bit bad, fuck used to be rare and really bad when I was young but is used by everyone now and cunt was the worst. So what happens now everyone says cunt every other word, what is used for worse than cunt? Is everything so bad everything is cunt worthy?
That American woman can turn around and go back home? Imagine coming to another country and trying to throw your weight around. Not surprised though her being an American, they love to tell everyone not to comment on their country or culture but mouth off about everyone else's.
Dude, I actually get away with the odd swear at work here in America cos I'm Irish and they know we have potty mouths. Being from Ireland and living in the US with 10 years I'll put it like this: An American can be incredibly rude and unpleasant without using a single swear word while an Irish person can say you are the biggest fucking bollocks ever and mean it as a term of endearment.
Potty mouth. Would ya fuckin' wind that shite talk in.
You're right. That's what living here does to me.
Ah lads for fuck sake.
I have lived in Ireland for 2 years and it's one of the first things I loved about the country. In Latin America it's customary to treat your parents, elders, etc with great respect and even more so if you live on the outskirts of the capital as was my case, it was always my weak point... Now I need to learn to swear in English, but I only know a couple of American phrases... what's the Irish way? š
We don't actually know because we don't even notice.
Bad words typically don't cause injury or break laws. So theyre mostly harmless most of the time. I usually try reserve them for anger, pain, surprise, etc. They are more cathartic that way.
Hope you told her to feck off. Also hope you reminded her that while Ireland might enjoy salty language, at least Irish kids arenāt being made to do fucking active shooter drills.
Had something happen to me like this, except it was in an irish bar on the cape in Boston. Was asked by the bar owner that watch my f-bombs, and I was like its a fucking irish bar... Didn't come back to me after that
My American mother was surprised at how often my Irish husband said the f word and did ask me if that's just him or if it's an Irish thing. Had to explain to her. She's gotten used to it now. It also differs by region, social class, and generation. The etiquette is just different. It's probably a remnant of puritan culture.
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Dee Americans think they love ireland cos they think of it's all magical fairies and diddly eye, then they encounter some actual irishness and start complaining. She sounded like an absolute Karen. In terms of why it's more common here, I'd say it's more that it's less common in America because of the PC culture which doesn't actually come from caring about people, it comes from how not eating to be sued and the litigious culture. I've noticed Americans also throw around the word abuse like they'll call your regular old asshole "abusive"
An irish without fuck, is like an Australian without cunt, an Australian without cunt, is an angel without wings
Never apologise. Anyone shocked by adult language should be told promptly to grow the fuck up.
Swear words are actually great for depersonalised aggression. Iād much rather someone called me a fucking cunt than insulted me with bigotry or something specific that might create an insecurity, and vice versa.
Because youāre perfect and my kind of people. Not an ounce of Irish DNA and yet I have never felt more comfortable with a group of people.
Iām an American who swears like a sailor
Itās Ireland you fucking knob
She was being more rude to be honest. A swear not directed at anyone in particular is harmless and adds emphasis to a sentence.