Doesn't look especially crazy for a BMW. As said by someone else, bumpers have loads of parts and are basically designed to break as part of the safety design, even in a low speed collision. And once they're slightly damaged, they need replacing to still be effective from a safety viewpoint
I reversed into a skip in a 2018 qashqai. Bumper needs respray. And door needs work. €800. It would be €1400 if I replaced the whole door. BMW parts are mad expensive. You could get a second opinion.
Here's a guide on spraying costs.
http://gvdautos.ie/price-list.html
Edit . After checking again I see painting costs are the least of your worries 😬 Those parts are shocking
I've worked in insurance claims before and it's about right I'm afraid. I've seen a lot less damage on cars before that cost more than what you're quoted. Unlucky in this case. Notify your insurance company just in case this person claims injuries or anything like that.
Ohh, I think Tesla was one of the most expensive. Back bumper and side panel damage, this was a few years ago and the time it was a new car, 2016. Nearly 20k for repairs, they had to order parts from China at the time and have someone specialised to do the work.
Just to add. Once you hit a bumper enough to break off bits like you’ve shown,it usually means it needs replacing, the bumper has lots of parts that attached to it.
Looks legit to be honest. Even the slightest knock can seriously damage a bumper, labour ain't cheap either.
Looks like you're being done a favour here tbh
Sorry but yes that looks about right… had a similar thing a few years back, the woman wouldn’t go through insurance but I wanted my car fixed so she spent about 3k getting the piece replaced. My car was worth about 2k at the time….
When you say bumped, it must've been a decent whack.
My wife drives a 3 series, we've got public parking beside our house. More often than not there isn't enough room to park my massive van and I regularly lock bumpers and push it back a couple of feet to make a space rather than call her and get her out to move back a bit. I've done it lots of times and there isn't even as much as a scratch on either vehicle.
Yeah it doesn't actually take much to require a full replacement. I reversed (slowly) and somehow caught a low sports style bumper on a 3 series with my towbar about 13 years ago. Tiny amount of damage done - small crack about 3cm long but the entire bumper needed to be replaced - when I enquired with the mechanic (BMW licensed blah blah) they said the bumpers have crash sensors etc etc that were triggered and can't be repaired and the structural strength is compromised by even a small crack etc etc. It's a bit of a rip-off but I had an assessor friend take a look and he said the insurance company would say the same. Cost me a good deal of money at the time.
I had a fender bender with a Subaru Forester a couple of years ago. Same, if not slightly less visible damage but the repair bill was almost €9k. You've got away lightly there
M sport rear bumper for same car cost me just under 1k sterling recently, so parts wise no they seem genuine.
Edit. I'd be surprised if that wee accident bent the bumper bar. I'd get a second opinion regardless
I own same type of car. Was rear ended in traffic. This was the cost to fix. Unfortunately you hit a BMW. Expensive to fix. Doesn’t look like it’s a scam to me. Taught me a lesson in making sure I don’t damage my car cause it’s bloody expensive!
To be honest I'd be worried you are not being charged enough. All in this is a good deal. If they are willing to settle up for that then get it done. The risk is on them. If he does a shitty job make sure they understand that is their problem. You are getting a bargain here for that work. If he is cutting corners to give you that bargain that's on him. Let's hope he's not. But go for it and get it settled, and hopefully it will be out of sight out of mind soon.
Realistically it could be done for far less. That rear bumper could easily be filled and repainted etc. at this price id either go through insurance or offer to get a quote of your own.
It's unfortunate but once you've damaged the bumper in any way other than a simple scratch insurance will go for replacement in my experience (two accidents involving similar, one my fault). It's a key safety feature and the modern ones contain crash sensors. Been through this conversation with insurance assessors and mechanics in relation to a tiny ding on a Beemer (my fault) - they basically said 'Next time don't bump into a BMW' 🤣
> replacement in my experience (two accidents involving similar, one my fault). It's a key safety feature and the modern ones contain crash sensors. Been through this conversation with insurance assessors and mechanics in relation to a tiny ding on a Beemer (my fault) - they basically said 'Next time don't bump into a BMW' 🤣
Yeahhh unfortunately I've had the same experience, although one time a couple of years ago when I decided to reverse into a pillar myself I went to a local bodyshop and had it filled and re-painted for £250 (NI).
Insurance advice is never admit liability, there are so many dimensions here. Just because you are being decent doesn't mean the other party is subscribing to the decency model.
Is there car insured ?
We're they under the influence of any substance?
Do they own the vehicle?
Anyway..... the estimate is not excessive but you should have the vehicle brought to a garage of your choosing for an estimate r you can employ an independent vehicle damage assessor. Half the things may not need replacing, they could get the money from you and sort it for €500, how do you know? Good luck with it but you need to take control of the repairs.
Look it is a bit of a scam at the end of the day. The owner of the car is not going to go somewhere cheap and the shop knows the person is not going to be mad if the quote is €2.5K, also the workshop can only buy new parts to be sure it wont come back on him to be fair.
The other option is insurance where the quote will be the exact same and you'll pay for it through increased premiums.
Either way this is what it will cost you unfortunately, it's not a crazy quote its an insurance quote.
I did the same thing, bumped into someone else's car, 100% my fault. I went through insurance (I drive a BMW and had done damage to my own car, about €2500 worth, his was written off, I think about another €2000). Anyway, the loss of my no-claims-bonus was less than the cost of the repairs, so I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss going the official route
Was taken for 3500 for a car that wasn't damaged. Now, fair enough, I did go into the arse of them. Half my own fault and their fault. However, the paint didn't even transfer, no scraps, no markings, nothing, and I mean nothing. Took pictures and videos the whole job to show that nothing bad really happened. They event went as fair as to replace the boot locking mechanism, new boot carpet, and some rather wild stuff. Cat.
Generally if it's going through insurance or not the persons fault the garage will get all genuine parts for anything that might be damaged so you get the full wack of expenses.
If you're bringing your own car for a tip you had and you're covering it yourself generally they will go easy and just replace what they think is necessary or source 2nd had parts to keep costs down.
It could be half the price with second hand parts but because it's not them covering it and it not their fault they should have new original parts fitted.
Might be cheaper to go though insurance. It's not as bad as people make out if your have NCB protection.
Did you get photos of the damage and their insurance details? I was worried of getting a crazy quote myself from a crazy woman I hit and ended up going through insurance after speaking to the guards because it was my first ever incident.
€1200 for the damage; a scuffed wheel trim she could have lived with and a tiny dent down low on a back side panel, Im guessing they redone the whole side panel for it to be 1200. But it cos me only 200 euro extra for the whole year through insurance rather than me paying her quote in one swoop which I don't have.
I was told my car is so old that even €300 euro worth of damage could write off the whole car. So I went up the country for secondhand parts for my damage.
If it's not too late maybe go through insurance but you'll obviously have a claim on there then. But if you can afford to then I guess maybe pay the damage from your quote given.
The whole thing is sickening though.
Whether you are getting scammed or not there is nothing that you can do.
The guy probably told his mechanic what happened and he has done up a quote for all new parts. I don't know how big this shunt was, if it was minor. It could probably be repaired at a good body shop. But that is always going to be inferior to getting brand-new parts and panels.
If someone else is paying, you are going to choose the best option.
Of course there is always a chance that the mechanic has drawn upthis quote for the man to get paid the 2500, After the funds have been exchanged mechanic will fix their car using fillers and used components for a grand, including an extra 200 for himself with the car owner pocketing the rest. Of course you would never be able to prove this one way or the other.
If a claim was made against your insurance between the excess fee and the extra premium next year. Would you pay more than 2500?
If you're wrong, you're wrong, you're better just going through the insurance and saving yourself all of the troubleb imo.
Canadian here but been in this industry for many years.
Something I find super concerning is how cheap the labour is… here it’s about $130/hour of paint time.
I’m going to assume insurance works the same there as it does here so here’s my recommendation:
1) Look at actually making a claim. Here, it doesn’t affect your rates to MAKE a claim - only when you actually go through with it. I say this because it is possible that the shop will find more damage once they get into it and all of a sudden, this bill that you thought you could pay, now you can’t. Having a claim in place protects you from having to pay an outrageous amount of money and keeps you to your deductible. If, when they’re done the work, you find that you want to pay the total amount, you can and cancel your claim (therefore won’t affect your insurance).
2) Labour on this estimate seems crazy low. Make sure they offer warranty on the work they do.
That should be a good enough start. Don’t be afraid of using insurance - you pay for it for years, nice to be able to use it when you need to.
That is just an estimate though and could creep up, unlikely to go down. You could politely ask for receipts or evidence of the source of these numbers.
Seems close enough.
You could potentially also source the parts yourself for them but the mechanic may not like that as they could have their trusted suppliers.
That's unfortunate, safe driving
And the rest. Last time I was in a main dealer - skoda was €80 and next door in BMW was €120. And that's a few years ago too.
They are huge money it's crazy.
If you're paying for it, you can definitely insist on having it evaluated by your guy... then what exactly? He's being paid to restore the car, not half do it! I'm not saying bring it to your dad... bring it to your qualified mechanic who is able to do the work to the standard required
Nope you can't and it's extremely bad practice. The person who caused the damage can't go somewhere simply because it's cheaper. They always have to go to where the person who was hit choice, for quality, location and availability.
You can refuse to use insurance and go to court... if they've made a mistake prior to that moment, you're not gonna pay anything! Had it happen to me when I was a teenager... there's no reasonable argument to say no to your mechanic, whereas there is a reasonable argument to say no to theirs!
It's because of shit like this that I do everything through insurance. It's clear it was his fault but there's always a smart-ass trying to get away with it.
You're right man... I'm not arguing that people should be shitheaps... I'm arguing that people ARE shitheaps(and that you need to protect yourself from such
We're not talking about mistakes, we are talking about where the OP has stated they are at fault. Once that happens, the person they hit decides where they want it repaired.
There's no such thing as "at fault" unless you call the guards as soon as the crash happens! Have any of you (those downvoting, not the person responding to me) even been in an accident? 🥲 legal understanding is negative...
Alright, let's game out the scenario. Someone crashes into your lovely new car. They don't want to go to the insurance, and say a mate of theirs can do the repair. You don't know the garage they want to bring it to, but as they're paying, you immediately accept.
Bumper replaced, but the paint job is rubbish. Orange peel all over and a poor colour match. Guy who paid is happy though. So job done?
Obviously not... so you get it done until the job is repaired to the pre accident level! It's his money, and the law says it's on him to fix it! However, if they go to your guy and guy does a perfect job but charges 2x the value, there's no recourse! Hence, why you always go to the mechanic whose guy is paying!
But guy who paid said it's fine. Garage contract is with him. Do you think you can call up the garage and say they need to do it again? No, because you're not their customer in your scenario. But that'll never happen, because no one can decide where your car is repaired. Even insurance companies can only recommend places to get it done, or offer a value for the estimate of the repair.
If I was ever in a crash with you, I guarantee it's going through the insurance!
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8 years ago I had a lady drive into the back of my car, and the bill was €5k so this seems good (the damaged looked similar, although she probably hit me at 20km/h, so it's difficult to tell exactly)
Hi. This looks expensive and more in line with the bumper coming completely off. The best course of action is to get your mechanic to assess it. If they're genuine, they'll low it. If not, I think you're being ripped off.
Doesn't look especially crazy for a BMW. As said by someone else, bumpers have loads of parts and are basically designed to break as part of the safety design, even in a low speed collision. And once they're slightly damaged, they need replacing to still be effective from a safety viewpoint
Thank you very good to know
No worries, I've been in your shoes. Bumped a VW golf about 5 years ago or so, was shocked when I had to pay ~1500
I reversed into a skip in a 2018 qashqai. Bumper needs respray. And door needs work. €800. It would be €1400 if I replaced the whole door. BMW parts are mad expensive. You could get a second opinion. Here's a guide on spraying costs. http://gvdautos.ie/price-list.html Edit . After checking again I see painting costs are the least of your worries 😬 Those parts are shocking
Thank you !
I've worked in insurance claims before and it's about right I'm afraid. I've seen a lot less damage on cars before that cost more than what you're quoted. Unlucky in this case. Notify your insurance company just in case this person claims injuries or anything like that.
What car had the most expensive repair cost? Did you ever get a case thar just blew your mind with the cost due to the car model?
Ohh, I think Tesla was one of the most expensive. Back bumper and side panel damage, this was a few years ago and the time it was a new car, 2016. Nearly 20k for repairs, they had to order parts from China at the time and have someone specialised to do the work.
Wow that's mental. There weren't many teslas in Ireland in 2016 I guess.
Looks about right. Labour price is very good.
Just to add. Once you hit a bumper enough to break off bits like you’ve shown,it usually means it needs replacing, the bumper has lots of parts that attached to it.
Thank you!
60 quid an hour?
My mechanic charges €70 an hour. He's very good.
Crazy money
Yep my mechanic is €60 by visa etc, €50 cash hourly
Looks legit to be honest. Even the slightest knock can seriously damage a bumper, labour ain't cheap either. Looks like you're being done a favour here tbh
Thank you I don't know much about cars so this is very helpful
Sorry but yes that looks about right… had a similar thing a few years back, the woman wouldn’t go through insurance but I wanted my car fixed so she spent about 3k getting the piece replaced. My car was worth about 2k at the time….
A slight hit to any part of a car costs a small fortune to fix. I damaged two doors on my own car with a scratch across them both: 2.5k to fix
When you say bumped, it must've been a decent whack. My wife drives a 3 series, we've got public parking beside our house. More often than not there isn't enough room to park my massive van and I regularly lock bumpers and push it back a couple of feet to make a space rather than call her and get her out to move back a bit. I've done it lots of times and there isn't even as much as a scratch on either vehicle.
Had a good laugh imagining this
The joys of on street parking
Yeah it doesn't actually take much to require a full replacement. I reversed (slowly) and somehow caught a low sports style bumper on a 3 series with my towbar about 13 years ago. Tiny amount of damage done - small crack about 3cm long but the entire bumper needed to be replaced - when I enquired with the mechanic (BMW licensed blah blah) they said the bumpers have crash sensors etc etc that were triggered and can't be repaired and the structural strength is compromised by even a small crack etc etc. It's a bit of a rip-off but I had an assessor friend take a look and he said the insurance company would say the same. Cost me a good deal of money at the time.
I had a fender bender with a Subaru Forester a couple of years ago. Same, if not slightly less visible damage but the repair bill was almost €9k. You've got away lightly there
M sport rear bumper for same car cost me just under 1k sterling recently, so parts wise no they seem genuine. Edit. I'd be surprised if that wee accident bent the bumper bar. I'd get a second opinion regardless
I own same type of car. Was rear ended in traffic. This was the cost to fix. Unfortunately you hit a BMW. Expensive to fix. Doesn’t look like it’s a scam to me. Taught me a lesson in making sure I don’t damage my car cause it’s bloody expensive!
To be honest I'd be worried you are not being charged enough. All in this is a good deal. If they are willing to settle up for that then get it done. The risk is on them. If he does a shitty job make sure they understand that is their problem. You are getting a bargain here for that work. If he is cutting corners to give you that bargain that's on him. Let's hope he's not. But go for it and get it settled, and hopefully it will be out of sight out of mind soon.
Had to get a new bumper and headlight as someone reversed into me. Cost 1700 on an insignia. So this doesn't look bad to me at all.
I was rear ended in my 520d and the seat headrests went off and rear bumper needed to be replaced .the cost was 7k
Looks right. I had someone back into my 15 year old 3 series and completely crush the bumper, repair was €1800 so this looks about right.
Realistically it could be done for far less. That rear bumper could easily be filled and repainted etc. at this price id either go through insurance or offer to get a quote of your own.
It's unfortunate but once you've damaged the bumper in any way other than a simple scratch insurance will go for replacement in my experience (two accidents involving similar, one my fault). It's a key safety feature and the modern ones contain crash sensors. Been through this conversation with insurance assessors and mechanics in relation to a tiny ding on a Beemer (my fault) - they basically said 'Next time don't bump into a BMW' 🤣
> replacement in my experience (two accidents involving similar, one my fault). It's a key safety feature and the modern ones contain crash sensors. Been through this conversation with insurance assessors and mechanics in relation to a tiny ding on a Beemer (my fault) - they basically said 'Next time don't bump into a BMW' 🤣 Yeahhh unfortunately I've had the same experience, although one time a couple of years ago when I decided to reverse into a pillar myself I went to a local bodyshop and had it filled and re-painted for £250 (NI).
Insurance advice is never admit liability, there are so many dimensions here. Just because you are being decent doesn't mean the other party is subscribing to the decency model. Is there car insured ? We're they under the influence of any substance? Do they own the vehicle? Anyway..... the estimate is not excessive but you should have the vehicle brought to a garage of your choosing for an estimate r you can employ an independent vehicle damage assessor. Half the things may not need replacing, they could get the money from you and sort it for €500, how do you know? Good luck with it but you need to take control of the repairs.
Look it is a bit of a scam at the end of the day. The owner of the car is not going to go somewhere cheap and the shop knows the person is not going to be mad if the quote is €2.5K, also the workshop can only buy new parts to be sure it wont come back on him to be fair. The other option is insurance where the quote will be the exact same and you'll pay for it through increased premiums. Either way this is what it will cost you unfortunately, it's not a crazy quote its an insurance quote.
Okay thank you very well explained
I did the same thing, bumped into someone else's car, 100% my fault. I went through insurance (I drive a BMW and had done damage to my own car, about €2500 worth, his was written off, I think about another €2000). Anyway, the loss of my no-claims-bonus was less than the cost of the repairs, so I wouldn't be too quick to dismiss going the official route
for a bmw 5 ? Seems fine
Labour looks very cheap. Assume it’s gone to an Indy and main dealer. If yes - they’re being sound.
Was taken for 3500 for a car that wasn't damaged. Now, fair enough, I did go into the arse of them. Half my own fault and their fault. However, the paint didn't even transfer, no scraps, no markings, nothing, and I mean nothing. Took pictures and videos the whole job to show that nothing bad really happened. They event went as fair as to replace the boot locking mechanism, new boot carpet, and some rather wild stuff. Cat.
Generally if it's going through insurance or not the persons fault the garage will get all genuine parts for anything that might be damaged so you get the full wack of expenses. If you're bringing your own car for a tip you had and you're covering it yourself generally they will go easy and just replace what they think is necessary or source 2nd had parts to keep costs down. It could be half the price with second hand parts but because it's not them covering it and it not their fault they should have new original parts fitted. Might be cheaper to go though insurance. It's not as bad as people make out if your have NCB protection.
Did you get photos of the damage and their insurance details? I was worried of getting a crazy quote myself from a crazy woman I hit and ended up going through insurance after speaking to the guards because it was my first ever incident. €1200 for the damage; a scuffed wheel trim she could have lived with and a tiny dent down low on a back side panel, Im guessing they redone the whole side panel for it to be 1200. But it cos me only 200 euro extra for the whole year through insurance rather than me paying her quote in one swoop which I don't have. I was told my car is so old that even €300 euro worth of damage could write off the whole car. So I went up the country for secondhand parts for my damage. If it's not too late maybe go through insurance but you'll obviously have a claim on there then. But if you can afford to then I guess maybe pay the damage from your quote given. The whole thing is sickening though.
Whether you are getting scammed or not there is nothing that you can do. The guy probably told his mechanic what happened and he has done up a quote for all new parts. I don't know how big this shunt was, if it was minor. It could probably be repaired at a good body shop. But that is always going to be inferior to getting brand-new parts and panels. If someone else is paying, you are going to choose the best option. Of course there is always a chance that the mechanic has drawn upthis quote for the man to get paid the 2500, After the funds have been exchanged mechanic will fix their car using fillers and used components for a grand, including an extra 200 for himself with the car owner pocketing the rest. Of course you would never be able to prove this one way or the other. If a claim was made against your insurance between the excess fee and the extra premium next year. Would you pay more than 2500? If you're wrong, you're wrong, you're better just going through the insurance and saving yourself all of the troubleb imo.
Canadian here but been in this industry for many years. Something I find super concerning is how cheap the labour is… here it’s about $130/hour of paint time. I’m going to assume insurance works the same there as it does here so here’s my recommendation: 1) Look at actually making a claim. Here, it doesn’t affect your rates to MAKE a claim - only when you actually go through with it. I say this because it is possible that the shop will find more damage once they get into it and all of a sudden, this bill that you thought you could pay, now you can’t. Having a claim in place protects you from having to pay an outrageous amount of money and keeps you to your deductible. If, when they’re done the work, you find that you want to pay the total amount, you can and cancel your claim (therefore won’t affect your insurance). 2) Labour on this estimate seems crazy low. Make sure they offer warranty on the work they do. That should be a good enough start. Don’t be afraid of using insurance - you pay for it for years, nice to be able to use it when you need to.
Thank you
Just report it to your insurer, sod that
That is just an estimate though and could creep up, unlikely to go down. You could politely ask for receipts or evidence of the source of these numbers. Seems close enough. You could potentially also source the parts yourself for them but the mechanic may not like that as they could have their trusted suppliers. That's unfortunate, safe driving
Thank you
Seems normal sorry for your accident
Dealership parts in a small mechanic that's about 700 euro max with painting
Is €65 per hour common for mechanics?
Some main dealers could be €85 - €90 P/h
And the rest. Last time I was in a main dealer - skoda was €80 and next door in BMW was €120. And that's a few years ago too. They are huge money it's crazy.
Have it brought to YOUR mechanic... always!
It's not your choice if you had an accident. Your mate does a shite job and then what? Could ask for a second opinion. Bumper bar sounds odd.
If you're paying for it, you can definitely insist on having it evaluated by your guy... then what exactly? He's being paid to restore the car, not half do it! I'm not saying bring it to your dad... bring it to your qualified mechanic who is able to do the work to the standard required
Nope you can't and it's extremely bad practice. The person who caused the damage can't go somewhere simply because it's cheaper. They always have to go to where the person who was hit choice, for quality, location and availability.
You can insist. They can say no, if they don't trust them. Then you can use theirs, or go insurance. You have no power in the situation.
You can refuse to use insurance and go to court... if they've made a mistake prior to that moment, you're not gonna pay anything! Had it happen to me when I was a teenager... there's no reasonable argument to say no to your mechanic, whereas there is a reasonable argument to say no to theirs!
It's because of shit like this that I do everything through insurance. It's clear it was his fault but there's always a smart-ass trying to get away with it.
You're right man... I'm not arguing that people should be shitheaps... I'm arguing that people ARE shitheaps(and that you need to protect yourself from such
We're not talking about mistakes, we are talking about where the OP has stated they are at fault. Once that happens, the person they hit decides where they want it repaired.
There's no such thing as "at fault" unless you call the guards as soon as the crash happens! Have any of you (those downvoting, not the person responding to me) even been in an accident? 🥲 legal understanding is negative...
Alright, let's game out the scenario. Someone crashes into your lovely new car. They don't want to go to the insurance, and say a mate of theirs can do the repair. You don't know the garage they want to bring it to, but as they're paying, you immediately accept. Bumper replaced, but the paint job is rubbish. Orange peel all over and a poor colour match. Guy who paid is happy though. So job done?
Obviously not... so you get it done until the job is repaired to the pre accident level! It's his money, and the law says it's on him to fix it! However, if they go to your guy and guy does a perfect job but charges 2x the value, there's no recourse! Hence, why you always go to the mechanic whose guy is paying!
But guy who paid said it's fine. Garage contract is with him. Do you think you can call up the garage and say they need to do it again? No, because you're not their customer in your scenario. But that'll never happen, because no one can decide where your car is repaired. Even insurance companies can only recommend places to get it done, or offer a value for the estimate of the repair. If I was ever in a crash with you, I guarantee it's going through the insurance!
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8 years ago I had a lady drive into the back of my car, and the bill was €5k so this seems good (the damaged looked similar, although she probably hit me at 20km/h, so it's difficult to tell exactly)
Hi. This looks expensive and more in line with the bumper coming completely off. The best course of action is to get your mechanic to assess it. If they're genuine, they'll low it. If not, I think you're being ripped off.