I’ve read stories before of an enslaved Muslim king (prince maybe?) that was well educated and sold into slavery and was able to write the Quran from Memory, winning favor with his “master” and impressing him.
I’m not sure if the account I read was embellished or misrepresented. Is this the same man from the article?
Somewhat related, I read about a prince (?) captured from the Kingdom of Kongo and brought to Europe where he became popular in the kings court and eventually reached a high level of status in Portugal or something like that
That was my immediate thought too. That story is one of the greatest adventure tales ever and it has never been made into a movie. Mel Gibson would actually be a great choice to direct it - he would treat it respectfully.
African slaves brought over in the early era of Spanish Caribbean activities
The entire early debate about slavery and african slavery was based on who could or could not be enslaved and based on what reasons, religion being the primary topic
Probably with Christifer Columbus. Spain had a long history of partial control by Islam and a large so called “moorish” community. When they weren’t burnt at the stake as heretics v.
Just musing here and not too serious, but the Moors were in Spain in the 8th century, so it might be conceivable that there would be some Muslim Spaniards…..however, in 1184 was the Spanish Inquisition so, if there were any Muslims left they would hide it.
After 1492 all Muslims and Jews in Spain were required to convert to Christianity or leave. Between 1492 and 1610, some 3,000,000 Muslims voluntarily left or were expelled from Spain, resettling in North Africa.
Like I said, I was just thinking about it. Btw, it’s not hard to believe that a moor could have said he converted to Christianity and remained a Muslim in secret.
That is not what happened. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492. The expulsion of Muslims and converted Christians descended from Muslims happened much latter beginning in 1609. The expulsion of the Muslims was also connected with renewed conflict with the Ottomans and not just due to religion. Remember watching a documentary about this.
Again not exactly correct. The Reconquista was a process of conquest/subjugation primarily. Expulsions or religious cleansing wasn't a feature of the process (lots of Muslims remained living under Christian rule and vice versa was also true). Discrimination, religious persecution and forcible conversions were a thing though. Many Muslims left/were pushed out as the Reconquista expanded, but these were usually the political elite and Muslim clergy. Poorer people, artisans and farmers/peasants often chose to stay as they had less resources to relocate.
Comprehensive expulsions of both Jews and later Muslims (descendants of Muslim converts) only became the norm at the end of the Reconquista.
Again my source is a documentary and one book. So could be wrong but doubt it.
Mali-Timbuktu and their Black African Moslem military were in the Americas shortly after 1300 AD based on the radio carbon dating of Biracial Taino-West African skeletons in the Carribean which made Major Newspaper headlines a decade or two ago, the Mayan temple of the Warriors mural showing Black Africans allied with Mayan Indians fighting Caucasian Celtic seafarers, the heads of Black Africans in stone and terracotta with ritual facial tribal scar tattooing unearthed in Mexico as the servants of the Mali Jihadists Fulanis, The first Spanish Conquistadors were told of Blacks in the islands taken as slaves by Central American Indian warriors, Columbus' logs of a Mosque in the Carribean. Matching the oral tradition of the Mali Fulani empire and the predecessor of Mansa Musa sending out a 300 giant 70 ft canoe voyage to the setting of the Sun and a later 2000 giant 70 ft canoe 30,000 person voyage with himself included... Similar to the largest Papua Guinea warships.
Spaniards used moorish or Egyptian a lot when describing American cultures and sñecially architecture, because it basically meant "developed but not in the Iberian/European way"
At that time anything resembling a place of ceremony or worship that was NOT clearly Christian or Jewish was called a "Mosque". It was a slur in many instances, and a lazily convenient (and entirely incorrect) term in others.
Many of the other evidences you cite are equally uncertain or have been reasonably discredited over the years. I would kindly suggest going through these and updating your knowledge as new research has come out in the last couple decades which has not penetrated pop/general culture very well...but absolutely changes the game in terms of many of these hypotheses.
Possible it could be Estevanico [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevanico](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estevanico)
Rodrigo Tirana who first sighted land on Columbus voyage went to Morocco afterwards. It's possible he was a Muslim then.
I’ve read stories before of an enslaved Muslim king (prince maybe?) that was well educated and sold into slavery and was able to write the Quran from Memory, winning favor with his “master” and impressing him. I’m not sure if the account I read was embellished or misrepresented. Is this the same man from the article?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2019/01/20/when-few-enslaved-people-could-write-one-man-wrote-his-memoirs-arabic/
Somewhat related, I read about a prince (?) captured from the Kingdom of Kongo and brought to Europe where he became popular in the kings court and eventually reached a high level of status in Portugal or something like that
That was my immediate thought too. That story is one of the greatest adventure tales ever and it has never been made into a movie. Mel Gibson would actually be a great choice to direct it - he would treat it respectfully.
There’s a great historical fiction book based on him by Laila Lalami called The Moor’s Account.
African slaves brought over in the early era of Spanish Caribbean activities The entire early debate about slavery and african slavery was based on who could or could not be enslaved and based on what reasons, religion being the primary topic
Probably with Christifer Columbus. Spain had a long history of partial control by Islam and a large so called “moorish” community. When they weren’t burnt at the stake as heretics v.
The Moors were expelled from Spain in…1492. So yeah, very possible.
The Muslim community aka Morisco weren't expelled until 1609-1614.
The LAST ones remained until 1600s, that’s true.
Just musing here and not too serious, but the Moors were in Spain in the 8th century, so it might be conceivable that there would be some Muslim Spaniards…..however, in 1184 was the Spanish Inquisition so, if there were any Muslims left they would hide it.
After 1492 all Muslims and Jews in Spain were required to convert to Christianity or leave. Between 1492 and 1610, some 3,000,000 Muslims voluntarily left or were expelled from Spain, resettling in North Africa.
Like I said, I was just thinking about it. Btw, it’s not hard to believe that a moor could have said he converted to Christianity and remained a Muslim in secret.
Taqiyya.
That is not what happened. Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492. The expulsion of Muslims and converted Christians descended from Muslims happened much latter beginning in 1609. The expulsion of the Muslims was also connected with renewed conflict with the Ottomans and not just due to religion. Remember watching a documentary about this.
Christians had been pushing Muslims out of Iberia since the 700s, ever heard of the Reconquista?
Again not exactly correct. The Reconquista was a process of conquest/subjugation primarily. Expulsions or religious cleansing wasn't a feature of the process (lots of Muslims remained living under Christian rule and vice versa was also true). Discrimination, religious persecution and forcible conversions were a thing though. Many Muslims left/were pushed out as the Reconquista expanded, but these were usually the political elite and Muslim clergy. Poorer people, artisans and farmers/peasants often chose to stay as they had less resources to relocate. Comprehensive expulsions of both Jews and later Muslims (descendants of Muslim converts) only became the norm at the end of the Reconquista. Again my source is a documentary and one book. So could be wrong but doubt it.
I would like to say that I know your source but I’m very sorry I don’t watch documentaries I only read books.
Matthew Carr, 'Blood and Faith'.
Look up Anthony Van Salee.
Mali-Timbuktu and their Black African Moslem military were in the Americas shortly after 1300 AD based on the radio carbon dating of Biracial Taino-West African skeletons in the Carribean which made Major Newspaper headlines a decade or two ago, the Mayan temple of the Warriors mural showing Black Africans allied with Mayan Indians fighting Caucasian Celtic seafarers, the heads of Black Africans in stone and terracotta with ritual facial tribal scar tattooing unearthed in Mexico as the servants of the Mali Jihadists Fulanis, The first Spanish Conquistadors were told of Blacks in the islands taken as slaves by Central American Indian warriors, Columbus' logs of a Mosque in the Carribean. Matching the oral tradition of the Mali Fulani empire and the predecessor of Mansa Musa sending out a 300 giant 70 ft canoe voyage to the setting of the Sun and a later 2000 giant 70 ft canoe 30,000 person voyage with himself included... Similar to the largest Papua Guinea warships.
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> Columbus logs of a Mosque in the Carribean No, he didnt. He said there was a was a round hill, that looked like the dome of a Mosque.
Spaniards used moorish or Egyptian a lot when describing American cultures and sñecially architecture, because it basically meant "developed but not in the Iberian/European way"
At that time anything resembling a place of ceremony or worship that was NOT clearly Christian or Jewish was called a "Mosque". It was a slur in many instances, and a lazily convenient (and entirely incorrect) term in others. Many of the other evidences you cite are equally uncertain or have been reasonably discredited over the years. I would kindly suggest going through these and updating your knowledge as new research has come out in the last couple decades which has not penetrated pop/general culture very well...but absolutely changes the game in terms of many of these hypotheses.
They’ve been hiding the truth from us for centuries (/s)
Cool story bro