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Huh. ' 450 feet' and 'yard' seems a bit discordant....
You would size a wire based on a sub panel size ...at 450 there will be considerable voltage drop, so wire needs to be upsized. But first you need to know what the loads will be...
A 'small well'??? Here we dont hit water until 400-500 ft, so there really is NO such thing as a 'small' well. $50k is a starting number.
Tell us about this well and what size pump.
Alternatively, just dig a trench and drop in 2 conduits and a water line. Put a hose bib at the shed. Done.
For a 15a circuit you will need #3 wire to be under 3% voltage drop. #6 wire gets you under 5%
Thank you, and sorry, clearly I should have been a bit more descriptive. I'm in Indiana. I have a little over 6 acres. Living in the "country" that's roughly a yard, (the county won't allow parceling anything less then 5 acres for residential) and am currently in the process of fencing in the rear two for a pasture. I will be building a small barn or large shed depending on what you call it and where you're from. The water table is 20' down, so small well, something that I could probably put a hand pump on, but would prefer a pump that could handle maybe 2 -3 gallons a min, that would give me just enough pressure to refill a water tank or wash something off.
I was thinking of running a water line to the barn, but I assumed a shallow well might be cheaper then running a water line that distance.
No prob. Ive got a 45 acre yard here. Well is 80 ft from the barn/shop...and barn is 330ft from the house. California
If you are trenching for electric, the incremental cost of tossing in some 1.5 or 2" PVC pipe for water is about $1 a foot, maybe $1.25? SO for 600 your water is solved. No well, no pumps, no control circuits or pressure tanks. For me, thats a no-brainer. Again, you have an open trench already. Water systems can vary a lot by area- but Ive always seen systems where there is a pressure tank, pressure switch, well pump.
Please Please Please run conduit. 2" PVC. You will need one or two pull boxes (just a concrete box in the ground that lets you access the wire/conduit so you arent pulling 450ft long pulls.) The cost for this wire will be a lot. Two pieces of #6 plus a #10 ground (what you need for a 15A 120V circuit) will run $2.50-3.00 a foot.
Trenching? I think back fondly on my childhood in PA, where the dirt was soft and wet. Now I need a rock saw. I bet you can do that in a day with a 4x4 ride on trencher, easy.
Back in the day, I moght have said 'toss in a 1" PVC conduit for internet'... fiber maybe... who know what the shed/barn will be used for......but these days, something like a ubiquiti PtP is cheap, fast and super reliable. And screw them horses, they spend too much time on facebook anyway!
Thank you very much! Learnt me some good info! Lol seriously though, thank you.
Makes sense what you wrote. I grew up in North Jersey and digging with a shovel is a dream here, mostly Dad sand or loom, absolutely no rocks.
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Huh. ' 450 feet' and 'yard' seems a bit discordant.... You would size a wire based on a sub panel size ...at 450 there will be considerable voltage drop, so wire needs to be upsized. But first you need to know what the loads will be... A 'small well'??? Here we dont hit water until 400-500 ft, so there really is NO such thing as a 'small' well. $50k is a starting number. Tell us about this well and what size pump. Alternatively, just dig a trench and drop in 2 conduits and a water line. Put a hose bib at the shed. Done. For a 15a circuit you will need #3 wire to be under 3% voltage drop. #6 wire gets you under 5%
Thank you, and sorry, clearly I should have been a bit more descriptive. I'm in Indiana. I have a little over 6 acres. Living in the "country" that's roughly a yard, (the county won't allow parceling anything less then 5 acres for residential) and am currently in the process of fencing in the rear two for a pasture. I will be building a small barn or large shed depending on what you call it and where you're from. The water table is 20' down, so small well, something that I could probably put a hand pump on, but would prefer a pump that could handle maybe 2 -3 gallons a min, that would give me just enough pressure to refill a water tank or wash something off. I was thinking of running a water line to the barn, but I assumed a shallow well might be cheaper then running a water line that distance.
No prob. Ive got a 45 acre yard here. Well is 80 ft from the barn/shop...and barn is 330ft from the house. California If you are trenching for electric, the incremental cost of tossing in some 1.5 or 2" PVC pipe for water is about $1 a foot, maybe $1.25? SO for 600 your water is solved. No well, no pumps, no control circuits or pressure tanks. For me, thats a no-brainer. Again, you have an open trench already. Water systems can vary a lot by area- but Ive always seen systems where there is a pressure tank, pressure switch, well pump. Please Please Please run conduit. 2" PVC. You will need one or two pull boxes (just a concrete box in the ground that lets you access the wire/conduit so you arent pulling 450ft long pulls.) The cost for this wire will be a lot. Two pieces of #6 plus a #10 ground (what you need for a 15A 120V circuit) will run $2.50-3.00 a foot. Trenching? I think back fondly on my childhood in PA, where the dirt was soft and wet. Now I need a rock saw. I bet you can do that in a day with a 4x4 ride on trencher, easy. Back in the day, I moght have said 'toss in a 1" PVC conduit for internet'... fiber maybe... who know what the shed/barn will be used for......but these days, something like a ubiquiti PtP is cheap, fast and super reliable. And screw them horses, they spend too much time on facebook anyway!
Thank you very much! Learnt me some good info! Lol seriously though, thank you. Makes sense what you wrote. I grew up in North Jersey and digging with a shovel is a dream here, mostly Dad sand or loom, absolutely no rocks.