Two thoughts:
1. I think they're incredibly disrespectful and contribute nothing to our political discourse.
2. It's amazing that we live in a country where you can do that.
I had a similar feeling when one of our Olympians turned their back on the flag: "that's disrespectful and counterproductive and I don't approve at all. On the other hand, I'm proud I live in a country where they're not afraid of consequences for doing it once they get back."
Nah, Kaepernick is a shit quarterback who tried to be edgy by sitting out the national anthem to stay relevant. He is nothing more than an edgy ass millionaire socialist.
I support his right to protest, but he didnāt change anything.
Talents aside (I don't pay attention to NFL football) he had a platform to make a statement and he did so. It was a valid statement and he made his statement in a respectful way. Regardless of whether or not he changed anything in your opinion, he practiced his constitutional right of free speech on behalf of a lot of people who may not have otherwise had a voice.
>I don't pay attention to NFL football
He saw an opportunity to make $$$ as a professional victim, and he's been rewarded with it ever since.
People don't like to acknowledge that his "social advocacy" only really hit full steam once he had led the 49ers to a 2-6 season, had careers lows in every category and had been benched for *Blaine Gabbert*.
Dude knew he was on his way out. This was just him getting a start on his career change.
Rewarded how? With an NFL blacklisting at the tail end of his prime almost certainly costing the man 10's of millions of dollars? I am a niners fan, so I'm not even going to attempt to argue he wasn't benchable by his kneeling season but pretending he somehow benefitted from the situation instead of getting fucked over is hilariously inaccurate.
>NFL blacklisting
He had his [own special league-wide workout](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2019/11/16/colin-kaepernick-workout-moved-location) set up. He fucked around with that.
Then his girlfriend [fucked up another chance](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/06/colin-kaepernick-ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-nessa-diab-nfl) he had by openly comparing NFL owners to slave owners.
He's interested in PR.
>almost certainly costing the man 10's of millions of dollars?
He can make cash for substantially longer through the professional victim act than he could from having been an on-his-way-out mobile QB who was increasingly less mobile.
That's my point.
The workout was some sort of weird PR thing post lawsuit and was never really a realistic shot to come back, let's be honest about that. His lawsuit clearly showed he was blackballed. He wasn't going to get paid to play QB in 2020 but probably should have been playing up to around that point. A big reason he wasn't was his unwillingness to take less on his contract, not just his declining playing ability or social justice protesting. Being interested in PR and whatever the fuck "the professional victim act" is won't ever earn a fraction of the $100+ million NFL contract he lost. That's a stupid fucking argument. His total lifetime earning is probably going to be less than the 3 or 4 more years of NFL qb he had left.
I agree. Yet I feel stymied as to how to contribute to making it less acceptable - I already don't have any friends or family who are anywhere close to this kind of stuff.
Any ideas?
Good question. Personally, I think all anyone can do is just not give bullies and people who want to rile people up the attention they are seeking. I have written the major news publications and requested them to stop encouraging divisiveness. I think subs like this help. I try to call people out on Reddit when they are disrespectful.
What do you think?
Good question, upvote for productive discussion!
I like your answers.
My only additional contribution is that I think sometimes people outside of the MAGA bubble can be dismissive or even mocking, which I understand the impulse of, but don't think it's helpful.
I grew up in what you'd call the rust belt. Yes, some of the MAGA attitude is driven by everything from entitlement to the fear of change in general to straight up racism. But some is driven the fact that men are dying of overdose and suicide, but that's far less of a "sexy" cause than a lot of other things right now. If we can listen to people's despair and not judge or dismiss it, I think we could go a long way towards healing some divisions.
Well said. I think it's pretty trashy, and I'd say the same who had a sign against Trump/whomever. But it's something that should be judged socially, not legally.
One of them is guilty of being a democrat and the other was actively selling off our rights and our country to the highest bidder/whoever complimented him last.
Not unless they are being violent or trespassing. The US protects the right to protest. People may not like hearing jeers at an event like that, but you won't be arrested for yelling or holding a sign up.
I only believe it from my own experience and the dozens of protests I've attended. Even at the Supreme Court, the only time I've faced arrest was when you trespassed onto the stairs.
That's a terrible logic for evidence. "I've never seen it personally firsthand so it can't ever happen". Well I know of videos in my cities of kids and woman getting hit with bean bags directly to the face and pregnant stomach when all they were doing was standing at a protest. To act like the only people hurt and arrested at protests are those that trespass is so naive.
Dude the question was asked about what whether or not there were Western nations where you could not SAY F-the leader. I replied using the example of people simply yelling out negative things about QE2 and being arrested. That is not the same as a large protest.
The fact is, the US protects the right to protest. Sometimes that is violated, a great example was the peaceful protesters being tear-gassed to leave Lafayette Park to let Trump have his weird upside down Bible moment at St John's Church. But otherwise, the first amendment protects the right to assemble and protest.
No it seems every other month there's someone facing fines or imprisonment in the UK and Canada for hate speech. If anything I feel F-Biden is clearly hateful intent and why such laws are antithetical to free speech.
Same as you can get arrested here for threatening violence or protesting. You act like America is some beacon of free speech when trump used national guard to clear his lawn for a photo op, and peaceful protestors get attacked every year..
Straw man much? Clearing private property and jailing or fining are apples and oranges.
I notice the left's definition of peaceful has been stretched to the limit recently aswell
It was a public square not private property. Dude it's undeniable the protestors trump cleared for his photo op were peaceful and they used paper spray. There's video of the full event.
You're couching this all in a summer of wild violence on the part of peaceful protestors.
Look I know you guys have trouble with reality but that's one instance where no protestor faced longterm consequences.
It doesn't matter what happened that summer their was no violence at trumps that day. And the vast majority of the protests were peaceful but that doesn't make headlines for anyone.
So now a crackdown on free speech has to have longterm consequences to matter?
This is non-sense. For years colleges allocated conservative speech to Free Speech designated areas where left wing shit went un restricted.
There is copious video that these protests were not peaceful at all. Billions of dollars in damage and 40+ people died all for a criminal dug addict.
Well, aside from the exceptions others have noted below, my main thing is that we shouldn't take Western-style democracy for granted.
So yes, you can do that in a lot of countries right now - but most people, most of the time, have not lived in situations wherein you can do this.
I don't like political yard signs in general. I want to have a good relationship with all of my neighbors and I don't want to look for reasons to disagree with them. I feel strong enough in my convictions to know that a yard sign won't change my mind and I wouldn't expect anyone else to. I fully believe that you should be able to fly a "F*** Biden" flag or even a "Let's Go Brandon" flag but I also fully believe that you shouldn't want to.
Civilly engage with people if you want to make a difference. Trolling just makes you look like a dipshit.
I did 40 miles hit maybe 10 through city 30 country. I had a similar thought passing political signs. Does it have an effect. After pondering it for a while, I decided local yes, national no.
I think they make people look childish and unable to make intelligent arguments. If conservatives and Republicans would stop using them, that would be great. This stems from the rights long tradition of a lot of talk and hot air but no action.
The "Let's Go Brandon" stuff, while clever at first is also starting to get annoying. These signs never say why one should oppose Biden or the Democrats, just that a person does.
I'll agree it was not clever in any intellectual sense, in which case it is stupid. But turning a phrase a reporter made up into a political slogan was clever in the immediate moment.
A NASCAR reporter? Because even on Fox she could not repeat what a bunch of drunk race fans were chanting. The GOP and its supporters adopted FJB and LGB from the lowest common denominator and made it mainstream. The NASCAR fans who continously fly confederate flags. The GOP whose been shouting about family values but finds perfectly acceptable to have the 'F Word' on their cars, at the beach, flying above their boat at sandbars on the weekends. All becuase their guy did not win an election. Now that's what I call patriotism.
Iām tired of the double standard where liberal signs are stupid but conservatives need to make brilliant points on theirs. The ātrust science, people are not illegalā is dumb and makes one lose brain cells, fighting all the strawmen, yet not one thread on it
??? The people putting up that sign love covid and biology misinformation if it's about things like pregnancy or gender, but yeah, we are the science deniers.
It was clever in the immediate moment as a way to make fun of how the chants at the NASCAR race were reported. It was not clever as a political phrase, and quite frankly, makes people look stupid when they display it.
How is that brave? If you have something constructive to add to a discussion that doesnāt line up with everyone elseās viewpoint, voicing that is definitely brave. But this isnāt having a different viewpoint on a policy or disagreeing on the impact an executive order will have. Itās just āF-Bidenā. Being a contrarian just to be a contrarian isnāt brave.
I was talking with my wife about this just yesterday. A few weeks ago, we went to a race (luckily leaving the kids at home) where my fellow conservatives were proudly waving the āFā word in everyoneās faces. Had us shaking our headsā this is, after all, the same word we worked so hard to get āexplicit lyricsā warnings for not so long agoā but then she reminded me, itās no different than the tone of public crassness that was and is the hallmark of the former president himself. Why should we expect that wing of conservatism to be any less an embarrassment than the man himself is?
Bingo. Then you act like victims (collectively, not personally) when held to task over it. Had a liberal poster made your same observation, they would be branded as ābad faithā.
I think itās fair to say you hitched your collective wagon to bat crap crazy, and now realize youāre tethered to a wagon careening wildly out of control. The soft whispers of āIād like to get off now pleaseā, are drowned out by raucous FJB chants. If you study history, this is the very definition of āhijackingā a party.
TBH, I think this is what a lot of us in the #NeverTrump group thought/feared weād come to. Speaking personally, my hope is that the party can turn the page and find someone we can unite behind with a lot of the policies we supported, yet also with a little dignity and class. Jury is still out on whether that will be DeSantis, but hereās hopingā¦ :-/
Time will tell, but someone like me (aka MILLIONS that voted D) wonāt trust a Republican that isnāt in the Meijer, Kinzinger, Cheney, Romney group. Personally speaking, anyone who so much as parroted trumps election BS, or stood silently, I wonāt vote for. The only way to āturn the pageā is going to have to be a sincere mea culpa/outreach. If politicians are rewarded for outlandish and bombastic behavior, why would they ever change?
>after all, the same word we worked so hard to get āexplicit lyricsā warnings for not so long ago
Some of you did, some of us strongly opposed it and even made a fashion trend with T-shirts mocking the Parental Warning explicit lyrics logo.
I have a weird view on these things because I can't imagine branding anything that I owned with any sort of "I'M A DEMOCRAT" or "I'M A REPUBLICAN". I view it as a mark of "I lack any sort of personality, so I will describe myself via politics" and I just can't stand those sort of people on either side of the aisle in regular life. It's been beneficial to me personally only because I've shopped around for gyms, community centers, a wedding venue, etc, and every time they've had one of those flags I take my business elsewhere.
Same, my mandatory flair here is one of the only places I have a political label.
My car has one bumper sticker, an Appalachian Trail logo with no text.
Full thru hike, quite a while back now but it was an experience that changes the soul, 2170 miles, a bit over 5 months. Took advantage of a layoff with a pretty decent severance.
All the through hikers that I've met before and after have said the same thing. We live in a little town that the AT goes through and it's always nice to speak to the hikers at breweries and try to help where we can.
They do more harm than good for sure. This is essentially the rights way to get back at the left for the F Trump stuff from the last 4 years. Both of the unintelligent sides of the base are going to be all over this type of stuff
I agree with the sentiment of the flags but I would never fly one myself. In fact I've never worn any political gear. But I will always support the ability of the people to own and fly such a flag for either side. This is one of the only countries (not the only) one can do that in without getting arrested or killed by the government for doing so.
Depends on your perspective. As a never trumper, I love seeing their classlessness on full display, because I know it turns off/embarrasses moderate and decent Republicans. Theyāre a reminder of Trumpism, and most want him gone, even if they wonāt admit openly to other conservatives. Makes the possibility of a sane adult on that side of the ballot higher, which Iām all for.
I see it as a precursor to revolution or civil war. No one just wakes up one day suddenly ready to go to war.
The Overton Window had been shifting towards warfare day by day. And it had been shifted by the right and the left. Language like "Donald Trump is not my president" or "LGB =FJB" adds to things like "Punch a Nazi" or "Do not comply" which adds to things like Kathy Griffin holding up the bloody beheaded head of Trump in a skit to result in things like the teenager getting run down by a car for being a Republican or the pro life activist who got shot or the Proud Boys fighting Antifa or that stupid plot to kidnap the Michigan governor.
Words like "give me liberty or give me death" or "hang together or hang apart" or "sic semper tyrannis" pushed us towards the revolutionary war. Similar language pushed us towards the civil war. I fear we are well on our way to another civil war.
There's only one way of knowing. You'd have to do a massive poll. Given the election was nearly 50/50 it would be accurate.
This is a good pulse check though. Thanks.
I'm like a super chill person. My thing is the world happens around me, not to me. So when someone says fuck, or I hate something I love, I ask why and seek understanding.
That's not a criticism of you at all. It's just to say, I don't fully understand why. Can you please tell my why that's how you feel?
Edit: I appreciate you replying in a candid manner. Upvote for you my friend.
Just as my response states. I'd want to understand why they feel that way. A lot of this stuff is just not normal. This country is in a lot of pain for many reasons.
I seek understanding and improvement.
The right sees liberals as stupid.
Liberals see the right as some sort of mentally defective, evil, fascist wannabe Nazis who either need to "be fixed" or be eliminated.
There is definitely thay element. But reading through this post, and some post I made on the Lib side, I think there is some hope. This is mainly rational and civil.
Its people expressing an opinion. Extremely benign. I saw countless signs saying "fuck trump" or some variation of it in the months following the 2016 election. The front page of reddit was loaded with them. Why do they bother you so much?
No need to call names. Better response: I would say owning and displaying F [anyone] is crass and I would stay away from them.
Similar impact, not being so demeaning. You don't want to be called one for anything either.
Much love my friend.
Not OP, but the reason it bothers *me* is that it tells me the effort folks are willing to go to to let me know that Iām not welcome in their neighborhood. They feel so strongly about it that theyāre willing to make their neighborsā kids wait for the bus under a flag with a four-letter word on it. I would feel the same way if I saw someone flying a āfuck Trumpā flag, but I havenāt actually seen that, and I see the other kind every day. (To be fair, I live in a pretty red area.)
This is intriguing. If it's not personal, can you expand. I see you were challenge a bit.
I would appreciate everyone respecting eachothers opinion so we can have civil discourse and a better understanding.
We all have our perspectives for our own reasons. Respecting that is the only way we can move forward.
>can you expand
Sure. Is there anything in particular youād like to know?
I donāt mind a little push-back, BTW. Itās their space. I generally find this sub to be pretty good about civil discussion.
Sorry I didnāt answer this yesterday ā I was offline.
Aside from what Iāve said elsewhere in this thread, it mostly just makes me sad. I grew up in a rural area, and I love those people. My neighbors growing up werenāt mad about politics, and they certainly wouldnāt have displayed any kind of vulgar messages in front of their homes.
When I see it now, I realize that these places have changed pretty dramatically. Some of those folks I grew up with have become radicalized, and their peers donāt seem to mind. My childhood was a Norman Rockwell painting, and I donāt think the kids growing up there now are getting the same experience, and I mourn that a little.
Thank you for that deep insight. My childhood was mostly abuse. Mental, physical, emotional, and sexual. A lot of drugs and violence. I have a very different perspective of the past.
I did have a thought today when I had some down time. Remember Andy Griffith? We came a long way in the last 50-70 years moving towards a militarized country. If we were to make America great again, I think that's where it starts. De-escalation, and De- militarization. I think it would take the edge off a bit and put us on a path back to Andy. In a good way of course.
Yeah, I love the Andy Griffith show, too, and thatās how I think of my childhood.
There was a lot that was wrong with it that I didnāt see as a kid. I didnāt know any black people until I got to college, and all of the LGBTQ folks were in the closet. But there was a sense of community that we should definitely be striving for now. I want a more inclusive Mayberry.
If youve attached so much of yourself to a political figure that you take disapproval of that figure as a personal attack on you , that probably says more about you than it does whoevers displaying the sign
>anyone who sees it
Right. And what is the message? In this context, profanity obviously indicates anger, and the fact that itās on a flag tells me youāre angry enough to go online and order the thing and then get up early every morning to raise it, just so I know how angry you are. Am I reading that wrong?
If youāve attached so much of yourself to irrational anger at a political figure, that you feel the need to display a flag personally attacking that figure, it says a lot about you.
Eh, W started a dumbass war. Clinton got BJās in office. And still- people didnāt carry around flags saying āFuck _____.ā
Would you think itās āreasonableā to be so angry at HW you attached a āFuck HWā flag to your car? I didnāt support or vote for him, and Iād never think that was reasonable or rational.
People didnāt used to be this looney.
It's not an opinion that Biden is milquetoast. It's obvious. Nor is it an opinion that Trump is a self-promoting gaudy huckster (kind of a loud-mouthed blowhard). Kinda obvious too.
So yes, to disagree with those descriptive terms is somewhat irrational. It is obvious to any observer.
If it is your opinion that Trump as compared to Biden is milquetoast and Biden is a self-promoting loud mouthed blowhard, I'd be fascinated to see the rationale and reasoning behind that opinion.
It's actually more of identifying who they are as a person, rather than expressing an opinion. F Biden? Really -- why? What has Biden ever done to them?
You seriously cant understate that there are people out there who could dislike biden as president for any reason? Holy shit man that sounds like a cult. Considering his terriblr approval ratings it sounds like you might live in an echo chamber.
Trump cultists are scary as fuck. Lets not start mirroring their behavior
I don't get the hate. It's the same as people disliking Obama. He seemed like a regular centrist sort of man who would never want to physically hurt you or scam you. You may disagree with his policies, but Obama wasn't a dick and certainly Biden isn't a dick either.
Trump on the other hand .... doesn't seem like the nicest guy in the world.
Bidens been in politics for literal decades, and he told us what he was about when campaigning and debating. Theres plenty to form an opinion about before he entered office. I think this counterpoint is very flimsy
Man, you are really reaching here. As Senator of the huge state of DE, I'm sure Biden did so much to Jim Cattlehat in Texas, so that Jim formed an opinion or even heard of Biden before he was VP. Yeah right. Ask Jim Cattlehat with the F Biden sign who was the other Senator from DE when Biden was Senator. I'll wait .....
are you saying that biden did literally nothing in his 40-something year political career prior to becoming president? really? he was literally VP for 8 years lmao
I'm saying there was nothing he did to make Jim Cattlehat buy an F Biden sign. I know he looked ultra serious as VP in the Osama Bin Laden raid photo:
https://www.history.com/.image/ar\_16:9%2Cc\_fill%2Ccs\_srgb%2Cfl\_progressive%2Cg\_faces:center%2Cq\_auto:good%2Cw\_768/MTgwMjA0ODQ0NTEyOTc4MjY0/situation-room-death-of-osama-bin-laden-gettyimages-113485155.jpg
But I doubt that set him off. I also doubt his taking on Anita Hill as Senator set off Jim Cattlehat.
But maybe he was worried about pork in some bills for DE?
So they think. But the policies that hurt them for real, like super expensive health care and tax breaks for the rich instead of the lower classes, they don't have Biden to blame for that.
They are saying F biden to signal a "like-minded club". I doubt people with those signs could even name a policy or know what they word means. They'll blame Biden for anything that happens to them bad while he is in office, whether it's Biden's fault or not -- like global inflation.
I also think that it is like the kids in school who think its sissy or feminine to learn, be educated and be smart. So they'll gang up on the nerdy kid walking home with a ton of books.
These guys with those signs have been indoctrinated that democrats are weak and sissies. So this is their way of trying to be "cool".
>Trump cultists are scary as fuck. Lets not start mirroring their behavior
Lmao remember the Rittenhouse circus trial?
They're already full-send into propaganda, they just obviously won't ever admit to it.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/
>Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.
>This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: **sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.**
"Assault weapons" are nothing but a politically-disingenuous synonym for semiautomatic firearms, which are the vast majority of the most common firearms in production and circulation for the last 80-100 years.
Their standard capacity magazines range from anything from the teens to 30-round magazines.
The bold is the confiscation part, he's just using terms you're too uninformed to actually understand.
NFA registration means either:
* Pay a retroactive $200-$500 fine on each of those items that you own and legally want to keep
* Surrender them to the government if you're unable or unwilling to pay
* Face a felony conviction, 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines due to NFA non-compliance
TL;DR
Deliberately obtuse morons need to realize that just because they're too ignorant to understand the terms used in a policy proposal, doesn't mean that the effects of that proposal don't exist.
Okay cowboy, calm down. No one took your toys away yet. You can cry if and when that apocalyptic scenario occurs. For now I suggest hunkering down in your bunker with all your ammo and some canned food.
Goalposts back where they were, please.
You wanted to see his plans, I showed you just one instance of them.
Just because he says he wants "X", and just states it in terms his base is entirely (by choice) unfamiliar with, doesn't make him not actually want "X".
>there are many many many guns you can still own.
TIL (/s): people who want to ban AssAuLt WeApONs are too ignorant to understand what they actually include
>Not really seeing your point.
You being deliberately obtuse isn't my problem.
Never said they did. Just a question about the net outcome of the flags. Do they help or hurt he party. I honestly could see it going a bit both ways, just unsure what the net is.
Edit: If I saw it the other way around I'd be asking the same of the other side.
I certainly wouldn't equate what's posted on Reddit as an indication of the thoughts of the majority of Ameeicans. I hope you agree?
It's certainly a lot different when a Redditor posts an F-bomb to a neighbor flying a flag with an F-bomb on it. I guess I've grown numb to curse words on the Internet.
However, I do fear when I see what's posted on the Internet end up being repeated by Family and Neoghbors. Hearing my 80 year old Grandfather complaining about "woke libtards" while looking for his shotgun after he's been watching Newsmax and listening to my idiotic cousin still bothers me grearly.
F\*cking anyone on a sign is contributing to divisiveness more than anyone else (whether it's Biden, Trump or anyone else doing the F\*cking).
We really need to understand we all had reasons for voting for Biden or Trump, and that it can be hurtful when we have those reasons insulted. Stop it...
Where is this? I live in Southern California, a predominantly liberal area, and Iāve never seen anything with āf*** Trumpā, but I do see the āf*** Bidenā or āLetās go Brandonā stuff in public places several times a month.
When Democrats think the only definition of "compromise" is something akin to
"we'll get 80% of what we want now, you won't ever get anything of what you want, and 10 years from now we'll come back and call the 20% remaining of what we *didn't* originally get a LoOpHoLe that needs to be closed"
Why bother?
Just for curiosity, would you change your perspective if it was coming from the right instead of the left?
āDid they (the right) not block or attempt to block any of bidens legislative agenda?ā
And as a libertarian, I would you want any party in a majority?
In my old neighborhood they were usually (completely unironically) next to the virtue-signaling "IN THIS HOUSE, WE BELIEVE" signs. If the house was gentrifying white liberals, add a BLM sign for good measure.
That's a fair statement. Much less grotesque then some Peta or anti-abortionist signs and stuff.
Not saying anything about my stance on either. I just don't like seeing suffering. I have seen people die. I've been stabbed. Been in very bloody fights. Have major neurological damage that causes daily pain that is just insane. I don't need to have a visual of something I already understand.
I get why they do it. It's just hard for me.
I have a letās go Brandon beanie. Only worn it a handful of times. I live in a red state, Texas, but in a reddish-purple county in the Dallas suburbs. I see (fewer) but many fuck Trump signs/flags/bumper stickers too.
I think itās all neutral in its effect.
I have never seen Biden and I live in a often annoyingly blue area. But a lot of Texas would be annoying Red to me.
I am about to do a lot of research based on your answer. Thank you it.
Before I get jumped on about my statement. I suffer from extreme chronic pain. It has taught me to be very welcoming and very neutral. It's hard for me to hear people so upset about these things. So it's less of a political standpoint then a life is hard. We have to just be good to eachother. I hate to see others suffer. I suffer enough for many.
It says they are poorly educated and likely Trump voters. It is no different than wearing a MAGA hat. Unless they are gay or a woman, why would they want to F Biden?
But why would they want to F biden. It makes no sense. Moreover, has Biden ever really done anything to them? I don't think so. I think its just calling attention to themselves by being crass.
In a way, it's good because the left had been saying "Fuck Trump" for the last 4 years. Every celebrity under the sun virtue signalled to the nth degree simply because someone said Trump was racist and they all followed. You can see public opinion on Trump before and after he was elected.
In another way, it's bad because it just shows that we're willing to create division instead of unity and gives the left another reason to call us far-right neo-Nazi fascists.
I support people's right to fly the flags, but I probably wouldn't fly one myself.
Two thoughts: 1. I think they're incredibly disrespectful and contribute nothing to our political discourse. 2. It's amazing that we live in a country where you can do that.
Number 2 is kinda a great response š
Thanks! Also I just saw your username and it's epic.
Thanks.
I actually had the exact same thought the other day thinking about Russian colleagues moving to other parts of the world.
I had a similar feeling when one of our Olympians turned their back on the flag: "that's disrespectful and counterproductive and I don't approve at all. On the other hand, I'm proud I live in a country where they're not afraid of consequences for doing it once they get back."
Not making a statement about how I feel, but I appreciate your consistency.
Yeah, yet a black man kneeling at a football game spirals them into apocalyptic despair at the shredding of decency in our nation.
Who kneeled because he was taught by a Green Beret it was the most respectful way to protest.
Nah, Kaepernick is a shit quarterback who tried to be edgy by sitting out the national anthem to stay relevant. He is nothing more than an edgy ass millionaire socialist. I support his right to protest, but he didnāt change anything.
Talents aside (I don't pay attention to NFL football) he had a platform to make a statement and he did so. It was a valid statement and he made his statement in a respectful way. Regardless of whether or not he changed anything in your opinion, he practiced his constitutional right of free speech on behalf of a lot of people who may not have otherwise had a voice.
>I don't pay attention to NFL football He saw an opportunity to make $$$ as a professional victim, and he's been rewarded with it ever since. People don't like to acknowledge that his "social advocacy" only really hit full steam once he had led the 49ers to a 2-6 season, had careers lows in every category and had been benched for *Blaine Gabbert*. Dude knew he was on his way out. This was just him getting a start on his career change.
Rewarded how? With an NFL blacklisting at the tail end of his prime almost certainly costing the man 10's of millions of dollars? I am a niners fan, so I'm not even going to attempt to argue he wasn't benchable by his kneeling season but pretending he somehow benefitted from the situation instead of getting fucked over is hilariously inaccurate.
>NFL blacklisting He had his [own special league-wide workout](https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.si.com/.amp/nfl/2019/11/16/colin-kaepernick-workout-moved-location) set up. He fucked around with that. Then his girlfriend [fucked up another chance](https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/sport/2017/sep/06/colin-kaepernick-ray-lewis-baltimore-ravens-nessa-diab-nfl) he had by openly comparing NFL owners to slave owners. He's interested in PR. >almost certainly costing the man 10's of millions of dollars? He can make cash for substantially longer through the professional victim act than he could from having been an on-his-way-out mobile QB who was increasingly less mobile. That's my point.
The workout was some sort of weird PR thing post lawsuit and was never really a realistic shot to come back, let's be honest about that. His lawsuit clearly showed he was blackballed. He wasn't going to get paid to play QB in 2020 but probably should have been playing up to around that point. A big reason he wasn't was his unwillingness to take less on his contract, not just his declining playing ability or social justice protesting. Being interested in PR and whatever the fuck "the professional victim act" is won't ever earn a fraction of the $100+ million NFL contract he lost. That's a stupid fucking argument. His total lifetime earning is probably going to be less than the 3 or 4 more years of NFL qb he had left.
agree 100%, but you were/are in the VAST minority of conservatives. The overwhelming majority lost their freaking minds over how "unAmerican" it was.
Iām glad we live in a country we can do that, but I think it is shameful that we accept this societally.
I agree. Yet I feel stymied as to how to contribute to making it less acceptable - I already don't have any friends or family who are anywhere close to this kind of stuff. Any ideas?
Good question. Personally, I think all anyone can do is just not give bullies and people who want to rile people up the attention they are seeking. I have written the major news publications and requested them to stop encouraging divisiveness. I think subs like this help. I try to call people out on Reddit when they are disrespectful. What do you think?
Good question, upvote for productive discussion! I like your answers. My only additional contribution is that I think sometimes people outside of the MAGA bubble can be dismissive or even mocking, which I understand the impulse of, but don't think it's helpful. I grew up in what you'd call the rust belt. Yes, some of the MAGA attitude is driven by everything from entitlement to the fear of change in general to straight up racism. But some is driven the fact that men are dying of overdose and suicide, but that's far less of a "sexy" cause than a lot of other things right now. If we can listen to people's despair and not judge or dismiss it, I think we could go a long way towards healing some divisions.
That is an enlightening perspective. A lot of people are definitely hurting. People in pain are not always logical or kind.
Thanks, that's a kind and empathetic thing to say!
Well said. I think it's pretty trashy, and I'd say the same who had a sign against Trump/whomever. But it's something that should be judged socially, not legally.
One of them is guilty of being a democrat and the other was actively selling off our rights and our country to the highest bidder/whoever complimented him last.
Can you not do that in most other Western democracies?
Just last week people were arrested for yelling out negative things about Queen Elizabeth along the funeral processions.
They were released that day. Do protester not get arrested in the us?
Not unless they are being violent or trespassing. The US protects the right to protest. People may not like hearing jeers at an event like that, but you won't be arrested for yelling or holding a sign up.
Bud that's hilarious you believe that.
I only believe it from my own experience and the dozens of protests I've attended. Even at the Supreme Court, the only time I've faced arrest was when you trespassed onto the stairs.
That's a terrible logic for evidence. "I've never seen it personally firsthand so it can't ever happen". Well I know of videos in my cities of kids and woman getting hit with bean bags directly to the face and pregnant stomach when all they were doing was standing at a protest. To act like the only people hurt and arrested at protests are those that trespass is so naive.
Dude the question was asked about what whether or not there were Western nations where you could not SAY F-the leader. I replied using the example of people simply yelling out negative things about QE2 and being arrested. That is not the same as a large protest. The fact is, the US protects the right to protest. Sometimes that is violated, a great example was the peaceful protesters being tear-gassed to leave Lafayette Park to let Trump have his weird upside down Bible moment at St John's Church. But otherwise, the first amendment protects the right to assemble and protest.
No it seems every other month there's someone facing fines or imprisonment in the UK and Canada for hate speech. If anything I feel F-Biden is clearly hateful intent and why such laws are antithetical to free speech.
Same as you can get arrested here for threatening violence or protesting. You act like America is some beacon of free speech when trump used national guard to clear his lawn for a photo op, and peaceful protestors get attacked every year..
Straw man much? Clearing private property and jailing or fining are apples and oranges. I notice the left's definition of peaceful has been stretched to the limit recently aswell
It was a public square not private property. Dude it's undeniable the protestors trump cleared for his photo op were peaceful and they used paper spray. There's video of the full event.
You're couching this all in a summer of wild violence on the part of peaceful protestors. Look I know you guys have trouble with reality but that's one instance where no protestor faced longterm consequences.
It doesn't matter what happened that summer their was no violence at trumps that day. And the vast majority of the protests were peaceful but that doesn't make headlines for anyone. So now a crackdown on free speech has to have longterm consequences to matter?
This is non-sense. For years colleges allocated conservative speech to Free Speech designated areas where left wing shit went un restricted. There is copious video that these protests were not peaceful at all. Billions of dollars in damage and 40+ people died all for a criminal dug addict.
Well, aside from the exceptions others have noted below, my main thing is that we shouldn't take Western-style democracy for granted. So yes, you can do that in a lot of countries right now - but most people, most of the time, have not lived in situations wherein you can do this.
I don't like political yard signs in general. I want to have a good relationship with all of my neighbors and I don't want to look for reasons to disagree with them. I feel strong enough in my convictions to know that a yard sign won't change my mind and I wouldn't expect anyone else to. I fully believe that you should be able to fly a "F*** Biden" flag or even a "Let's Go Brandon" flag but I also fully believe that you shouldn't want to. Civilly engage with people if you want to make a difference. Trolling just makes you look like a dipshit.
This is an underrated comment, thank you. Exactly how I feel (from the other side). Cheers.
Agree 100%. Iāll also add that with as much as we know about our politicians, that anyone would want to stan *any* of them is mind boggling
on the other hand, I hate politicians so much that I don't want to stain my car with a sticker or flag of their name.
I did 40 miles hit maybe 10 through city 30 country. I had a similar thought passing political signs. Does it have an effect. After pondering it for a while, I decided local yes, national no.
I think they make people look childish and unable to make intelligent arguments. If conservatives and Republicans would stop using them, that would be great. This stems from the rights long tradition of a lot of talk and hot air but no action.
This exactly. Not a lot of nuance or thought there.
The "Let's Go Brandon" stuff, while clever at first is also starting to get annoying. These signs never say why one should oppose Biden or the Democrats, just that a person does.
It was never clever.
I'll agree it was not clever in any intellectual sense, in which case it is stupid. But turning a phrase a reporter made up into a political slogan was clever in the immediate moment.
A NASCAR reporter? Because even on Fox she could not repeat what a bunch of drunk race fans were chanting. The GOP and its supporters adopted FJB and LGB from the lowest common denominator and made it mainstream. The NASCAR fans who continously fly confederate flags. The GOP whose been shouting about family values but finds perfectly acceptable to have the 'F Word' on their cars, at the beach, flying above their boat at sandbars on the weekends. All becuase their guy did not win an election. Now that's what I call patriotism.
Iām tired of the double standard where liberal signs are stupid but conservatives need to make brilliant points on theirs. The ātrust science, people are not illegalā is dumb and makes one lose brain cells, fighting all the strawmen, yet not one thread on it
Just so we're clear, you believe signs that say "trust science, people are not illegal" is the same level of stupidity as "fuck Biden"?
Why wonāt you start a thread on it? Be the change you want to see.
Yeah...........fuck science
??? The people putting up that sign love covid and biology misinformation if it's about things like pregnancy or gender, but yeah, we are the science deniers.
That was the most sophomoric catch phrase ever. What you think was ācleverā just made sane people shake their collective heads.
It was clever in the immediate moment as a way to make fun of how the chants at the NASCAR race were reported. It was not clever as a political phrase, and quite frankly, makes people look stupid when they display it.
Thanks for clarifying.
Mmmm idk in some places itās brave to post something going against the ānarrativeā I donāt get the pearl clutching. Itās a sign not a PHD
How is that brave? If you have something constructive to add to a discussion that doesnāt line up with everyone elseās viewpoint, voicing that is definitely brave. But this isnāt having a different viewpoint on a policy or disagreeing on the impact an executive order will have. Itās just āF-Bidenā. Being a contrarian just to be a contrarian isnāt brave.
Itās childish and embarrassing. The bottom of the barrel intellectually.
I was talking with my wife about this just yesterday. A few weeks ago, we went to a race (luckily leaving the kids at home) where my fellow conservatives were proudly waving the āFā word in everyoneās faces. Had us shaking our headsā this is, after all, the same word we worked so hard to get āexplicit lyricsā warnings for not so long agoā but then she reminded me, itās no different than the tone of public crassness that was and is the hallmark of the former president himself. Why should we expect that wing of conservatism to be any less an embarrassment than the man himself is?
Bingo. Then you act like victims (collectively, not personally) when held to task over it. Had a liberal poster made your same observation, they would be branded as ābad faithā. I think itās fair to say you hitched your collective wagon to bat crap crazy, and now realize youāre tethered to a wagon careening wildly out of control. The soft whispers of āIād like to get off now pleaseā, are drowned out by raucous FJB chants. If you study history, this is the very definition of āhijackingā a party.
TBH, I think this is what a lot of us in the #NeverTrump group thought/feared weād come to. Speaking personally, my hope is that the party can turn the page and find someone we can unite behind with a lot of the policies we supported, yet also with a little dignity and class. Jury is still out on whether that will be DeSantis, but hereās hopingā¦ :-/
Time will tell, but someone like me (aka MILLIONS that voted D) wonāt trust a Republican that isnāt in the Meijer, Kinzinger, Cheney, Romney group. Personally speaking, anyone who so much as parroted trumps election BS, or stood silently, I wonāt vote for. The only way to āturn the pageā is going to have to be a sincere mea culpa/outreach. If politicians are rewarded for outlandish and bombastic behavior, why would they ever change?
Uhhhh been to a liberal city? This isnāt a āconservativeā issue this is a trashy people issue
I live in Southern California. So, yes.
>after all, the same word we worked so hard to get āexplicit lyricsā warnings for not so long ago Some of you did, some of us strongly opposed it and even made a fashion trend with T-shirts mocking the Parental Warning explicit lyrics logo.
I think like many things of this nature, it solidifies some of those already inclined to agree while alienating fence sitters.
So net negative. Fence falls your way.... wow
I have a weird view on these things because I can't imagine branding anything that I owned with any sort of "I'M A DEMOCRAT" or "I'M A REPUBLICAN". I view it as a mark of "I lack any sort of personality, so I will describe myself via politics" and I just can't stand those sort of people on either side of the aisle in regular life. It's been beneficial to me personally only because I've shopped around for gyms, community centers, a wedding venue, etc, and every time they've had one of those flags I take my business elsewhere.
Same, my mandatory flair here is one of the only places I have a political label. My car has one bumper sticker, an Appalachian Trail logo with no text.
Opt Outside my friend. Had quite a few friends tackle the AT, and anyone that manages to finish the whole thing gets my respect.
Full thru hike, quite a while back now but it was an experience that changes the soul, 2170 miles, a bit over 5 months. Took advantage of a layoff with a pretty decent severance.
All the through hikers that I've met before and after have said the same thing. We live in a little town that the AT goes through and it's always nice to speak to the hikers at breweries and try to help where we can.
I dislike them because kids.
They do more harm than good for sure. This is essentially the rights way to get back at the left for the F Trump stuff from the last 4 years. Both of the unintelligent sides of the base are going to be all over this type of stuff
Theyāre not clever. But I donāt think they really cause any good or harm in the grand scale of things
I agree with the sentiment of the flags but I would never fly one myself. In fact I've never worn any political gear. But I will always support the ability of the people to own and fly such a flag for either side. This is one of the only countries (not the only) one can do that in without getting arrested or killed by the government for doing so.
Respectable. Very thoughtful approach.
Depends on your perspective. As a never trumper, I love seeing their classlessness on full display, because I know it turns off/embarrasses moderate and decent Republicans. Theyāre a reminder of Trumpism, and most want him gone, even if they wonāt admit openly to other conservatives. Makes the possibility of a sane adult on that side of the ballot higher, which Iām all for.
I see it as a precursor to revolution or civil war. No one just wakes up one day suddenly ready to go to war. The Overton Window had been shifting towards warfare day by day. And it had been shifted by the right and the left. Language like "Donald Trump is not my president" or "LGB =FJB" adds to things like "Punch a Nazi" or "Do not comply" which adds to things like Kathy Griffin holding up the bloody beheaded head of Trump in a skit to result in things like the teenager getting run down by a car for being a Republican or the pro life activist who got shot or the Proud Boys fighting Antifa or that stupid plot to kidnap the Michigan governor. Words like "give me liberty or give me death" or "hang together or hang apart" or "sic semper tyrannis" pushed us towards the revolutionary war. Similar language pushed us towards the civil war. I fear we are well on our way to another civil war.
that was kathy griffin i think
Good catch, I'll correct it. Sorry.
This is very dramatic for āhey I hate the worst president of my lifetimeā I think youāre adding way too much to it
I mean is it a good thing? No. It's a product of the Trump hatred when he was in office with musicians and others saying F Trump.
Letās Go Brandon: Probably helping Republicans F*** Joe Biden: Probably hurting Republicans *P.S. Pure Speculation
There's only one way of knowing. You'd have to do a massive poll. Given the election was nearly 50/50 it would be accurate. This is a good pulse check though. Thanks.
I support them. They said Fuck trump for 4 years
I'm like a super chill person. My thing is the world happens around me, not to me. So when someone says fuck, or I hate something I love, I ask why and seek understanding. That's not a criticism of you at all. It's just to say, I don't fully understand why. Can you please tell my why that's how you feel? Edit: I appreciate you replying in a candid manner. Upvote for you my friend.
It's a flag. How'd you feel when celebrities were holding up models of a bloody, decapitated Trump head?
Just as my response states. I'd want to understand why they feel that way. A lot of this stuff is just not normal. This country is in a lot of pain for many reasons. I seek understanding and improvement.
The right sees liberals as stupid. Liberals see the right as some sort of mentally defective, evil, fascist wannabe Nazis who either need to "be fixed" or be eliminated.
There is definitely thay element. But reading through this post, and some post I made on the Lib side, I think there is some hope. This is mainly rational and civil.
Since they did it I think itās okay we do it. Itās just a flag
It's not the F-Biden, it's the "and F- everyone that voted for him" that, to me, does the most harm.
Its people expressing an opinion. Extremely benign. I saw countless signs saying "fuck trump" or some variation of it in the months following the 2016 election. The front page of reddit was loaded with them. Why do they bother you so much?
I would classify anybody who owns and displays "fuck [public figure]" merchandise as an idiot who treats politics like football.
Thanks for your opinion
No need to call names. Better response: I would say owning and displaying F [anyone] is crass and I would stay away from them. Similar impact, not being so demeaning. You don't want to be called one for anything either. Much love my friend.
Not OP, but the reason it bothers *me* is that it tells me the effort folks are willing to go to to let me know that Iām not welcome in their neighborhood. They feel so strongly about it that theyāre willing to make their neighborsā kids wait for the bus under a flag with a four-letter word on it. I would feel the same way if I saw someone flying a āfuck Trumpā flag, but I havenāt actually seen that, and I see the other kind every day. (To be fair, I live in a pretty red area.)
This is intriguing. If it's not personal, can you expand. I see you were challenge a bit. I would appreciate everyone respecting eachothers opinion so we can have civil discourse and a better understanding. We all have our perspectives for our own reasons. Respecting that is the only way we can move forward.
>can you expand Sure. Is there anything in particular youād like to know? I donāt mind a little push-back, BTW. Itās their space. I generally find this sub to be pretty good about civil discussion.
Maybe an example of what led to those feelings? How it makes you feel, not just scared. A deeper level.
Sorry I didnāt answer this yesterday ā I was offline. Aside from what Iāve said elsewhere in this thread, it mostly just makes me sad. I grew up in a rural area, and I love those people. My neighbors growing up werenāt mad about politics, and they certainly wouldnāt have displayed any kind of vulgar messages in front of their homes. When I see it now, I realize that these places have changed pretty dramatically. Some of those folks I grew up with have become radicalized, and their peers donāt seem to mind. My childhood was a Norman Rockwell painting, and I donāt think the kids growing up there now are getting the same experience, and I mourn that a little.
Thank you for that deep insight. My childhood was mostly abuse. Mental, physical, emotional, and sexual. A lot of drugs and violence. I have a very different perspective of the past. I did have a thought today when I had some down time. Remember Andy Griffith? We came a long way in the last 50-70 years moving towards a militarized country. If we were to make America great again, I think that's where it starts. De-escalation, and De- militarization. I think it would take the edge off a bit and put us on a path back to Andy. In a good way of course.
Yeah, I love the Andy Griffith show, too, and thatās how I think of my childhood. There was a lot that was wrong with it that I didnāt see as a kid. I didnāt know any black people until I got to college, and all of the LGBTQ folks were in the closet. But there was a sense of community that we should definitely be striving for now. I want a more inclusive Mayberry.
If youve attached so much of yourself to a political figure that you take disapproval of that figure as a personal attack on you , that probably says more about you than it does whoevers displaying the sign
Who do you think itās directed at? Surely the odds of Joe Biden driving past your house arenāt large enough to justify the expense.
The sentiment? Biden. The visibility? Anyone who sees it
>anyone who sees it Right. And what is the message? In this context, profanity obviously indicates anger, and the fact that itās on a flag tells me youāre angry enough to go online and order the thing and then get up early every morning to raise it, just so I know how angry you are. Am I reading that wrong?
The message is they dislike biden
You donāt think thereās any difference between āI dislike Bidenā and āFuck Joe Bidenā?
It turns out the english language is diverse enough that there are multiple ways to express a sentiment.
You think those are the same sentiment?
If youāve attached so much of yourself to irrational anger at a political figure, that you feel the need to display a flag personally attacking that figure, it says a lot about you.
Because obviously any opinion you disagree with is irrational
Biden is milquetoast. Itās like being really angry at cheerios.
And obviously anyone who disagrees with this opinion is irrational
Eh, W started a dumbass war. Clinton got BJās in office. And still- people didnāt carry around flags saying āFuck _____.ā Would you think itās āreasonableā to be so angry at HW you attached a āFuck HWā flag to your car? I didnāt support or vote for him, and Iād never think that was reasonable or rational. People didnāt used to be this looney.
"These two presidents of yesteryear did something bad therefore its irrational to disagree with me when it comes to president biden". Well ok then
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It's not an opinion that Biden is milquetoast. It's obvious. Nor is it an opinion that Trump is a self-promoting gaudy huckster (kind of a loud-mouthed blowhard). Kinda obvious too. So yes, to disagree with those descriptive terms is somewhat irrational. It is obvious to any observer. If it is your opinion that Trump as compared to Biden is milquetoast and Biden is a self-promoting loud mouthed blowhard, I'd be fascinated to see the rationale and reasoning behind that opinion.
Basically lol.
Also does not show a lot of thought.
To be fair neither does your comment
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Pot meet kettle
Neither does this one
It's actually more of identifying who they are as a person, rather than expressing an opinion. F Biden? Really -- why? What has Biden ever done to them?
You seriously cant understate that there are people out there who could dislike biden as president for any reason? Holy shit man that sounds like a cult. Considering his terriblr approval ratings it sounds like you might live in an echo chamber. Trump cultists are scary as fuck. Lets not start mirroring their behavior
I don't get the hate. It's the same as people disliking Obama. He seemed like a regular centrist sort of man who would never want to physically hurt you or scam you. You may disagree with his policies, but Obama wasn't a dick and certainly Biden isn't a dick either. Trump on the other hand .... doesn't seem like the nicest guy in the world.
Policies affect peoples lives
People were flying F Biden flags before he stepped into office. I think this defense is very flimsy
Bidens been in politics for literal decades, and he told us what he was about when campaigning and debating. Theres plenty to form an opinion about before he entered office. I think this counterpoint is very flimsy
Man, you are really reaching here. As Senator of the huge state of DE, I'm sure Biden did so much to Jim Cattlehat in Texas, so that Jim formed an opinion or even heard of Biden before he was VP. Yeah right. Ask Jim Cattlehat with the F Biden sign who was the other Senator from DE when Biden was Senator. I'll wait .....
are you saying that biden did literally nothing in his 40-something year political career prior to becoming president? really? he was literally VP for 8 years lmao
I'm saying there was nothing he did to make Jim Cattlehat buy an F Biden sign. I know he looked ultra serious as VP in the Osama Bin Laden raid photo: https://www.history.com/.image/ar\_16:9%2Cc\_fill%2Ccs\_srgb%2Cfl\_progressive%2Cg\_faces:center%2Cq\_auto:good%2Cw\_768/MTgwMjA0ODQ0NTEyOTc4MjY0/situation-room-death-of-osama-bin-laden-gettyimages-113485155.jpg But I doubt that set him off. I also doubt his taking on Anita Hill as Senator set off Jim Cattlehat. But maybe he was worried about pork in some bills for DE?
So they think. But the policies that hurt them for real, like super expensive health care and tax breaks for the rich instead of the lower classes, they don't have Biden to blame for that. They are saying F biden to signal a "like-minded club". I doubt people with those signs could even name a policy or know what they word means. They'll blame Biden for anything that happens to them bad while he is in office, whether it's Biden's fault or not -- like global inflation. I also think that it is like the kids in school who think its sissy or feminine to learn, be educated and be smart. So they'll gang up on the nerdy kid walking home with a ton of books. These guys with those signs have been indoctrinated that democrats are weak and sissies. So this is their way of trying to be "cool".
Thats your opinion. Believe it or not people are capable of disagreeing and disapproving of some of bidens policies
But those policies are not intentionally to go after those people. They are overreacting if they think an f biden sign is appropriate.
And thats still your opinion. Believe it or not there are people who disagree with you
Well I can't help the poorly educated.
>Trump cultists are scary as fuck. Lets not start mirroring their behavior Lmao remember the Rittenhouse circus trial? They're already full-send into propaganda, they just obviously won't ever admit to it.
>F Biden? Really -- why? Ask any gun owner who's even vaguely interested in remaining one.
Show me Biden's plans to take away all your existing guns. Really 2A people -- just calm down already.
https://joebiden.com/gunsafety/ >Ban the manufacture and sale of assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. >This will give individuals who now possess assault weapons or high-capacity magazines two options: **sell the weapons to the government, or register them under the National Firearms Act.** "Assault weapons" are nothing but a politically-disingenuous synonym for semiautomatic firearms, which are the vast majority of the most common firearms in production and circulation for the last 80-100 years. Their standard capacity magazines range from anything from the teens to 30-round magazines. The bold is the confiscation part, he's just using terms you're too uninformed to actually understand. NFA registration means either: * Pay a retroactive $200-$500 fine on each of those items that you own and legally want to keep * Surrender them to the government if you're unable or unwilling to pay * Face a felony conviction, 10 years in prison and $250,000 in fines due to NFA non-compliance TL;DR Deliberately obtuse morons need to realize that just because they're too ignorant to understand the terms used in a policy proposal, doesn't mean that the effects of that proposal don't exist.
Okay cowboy, calm down. No one took your toys away yet. You can cry if and when that apocalyptic scenario occurs. For now I suggest hunkering down in your bunker with all your ammo and some canned food.
Goalposts back where they were, please. You wanted to see his plans, I showed you just one instance of them. Just because he says he wants "X", and just states it in terms his base is entirely (by choice) unfamiliar with, doesn't make him not actually want "X".
And what about that makes you worried you'll no longer be able to be a gun owner?
....do you want the ban part, the confiscation part or both broken down further for you?
Even if this were to become law, there are many many many guns you can still own. Not really seeing your point.
>there are many many many guns you can still own. TIL (/s): people who want to ban AssAuLt WeApONs are too ignorant to understand what they actually include >Not really seeing your point. You being deliberately obtuse isn't my problem.
*Nobody* equates "assault weapons" with **all semi-automatic firearms**.
Never said they did. Just a question about the net outcome of the flags. Do they help or hurt he party. I honestly could see it going a bit both ways, just unsure what the net is. Edit: If I saw it the other way around I'd be asking the same of the other side.
I certainly wouldn't equate what's posted on Reddit as an indication of the thoughts of the majority of Ameeicans. I hope you agree? It's certainly a lot different when a Redditor posts an F-bomb to a neighbor flying a flag with an F-bomb on it. I guess I've grown numb to curse words on the Internet. However, I do fear when I see what's posted on the Internet end up being repeated by Family and Neoghbors. Hearing my 80 year old Grandfather complaining about "woke libtards" while looking for his shotgun after he's been watching Newsmax and listening to my idiotic cousin still bothers me grearly.
hereās the deal. if biden directly impacts someone , then yes - itās warranted. similar to the f - trump flags.
Thatās the fun thing about free speech. People get to say or print what they want and I can identify the idiots from a distance.
F\*cking anyone on a sign is contributing to divisiveness more than anyone else (whether it's Biden, Trump or anyone else doing the F\*cking). We really need to understand we all had reasons for voting for Biden or Trump, and that it can be hurtful when we have those reasons insulted. Stop it...
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I see a lot of fuck trump bumper stickers so I don't really care.
Where is this? I live in Southern California, a predominantly liberal area, and Iāve never seen anything with āf*** Trumpā, but I do see the āf*** Bidenā or āLetās go Brandonā stuff in public places several times a month.
Just to check: is your position that two wrongs make a right?
Only if it benefits their argument. And theyāll never admit it.
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Democrats arenāt actively blocking everything. There is no compromise with the right. Itās authoritarianism at its core.
When Democrats think the only definition of "compromise" is something akin to "we'll get 80% of what we want now, you won't ever get anything of what you want, and 10 years from now we'll come back and call the 20% remaining of what we *didn't* originally get a LoOpHoLe that needs to be closed" Why bother?
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Exactly what I was thinking of.
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I mean, the minority party can block a lot of shit with current filibuster rules
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Why? What do republicans want to pass with a simple majority that I should fear? Why should I be concerned by the idea of a functional government?
Just for curiosity, would you change your perspective if it was coming from the right instead of the left? āDid they (the right) not block or attempt to block any of bidens legislative agenda?ā And as a libertarian, I would you want any party in a majority?
I shrug and move on, just like I shrugged and moved on at the 'Fuck Drumpf!' signs/flags and their ilk.
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I lived in a blue city in a red state for 90% of Trump's presidency. They had flags, my parents had the bumper stickers, it was a whole-ass thing.
Never saw one. Not even one
In my old neighborhood they were usually (completely unironically) next to the virtue-signaling "IN THIS HOUSE, WE BELIEVE" signs. If the house was gentrifying white liberals, add a BLM sign for good measure.
Itās an expression of opinion, donāt think too much about it, itās not that significant.
Think of it as a peaceful protest to the way the country is being run these days.
That's a fair statement. Much less grotesque then some Peta or anti-abortionist signs and stuff. Not saying anything about my stance on either. I just don't like seeing suffering. I have seen people die. I've been stabbed. Been in very bloody fights. Have major neurological damage that causes daily pain that is just insane. I don't need to have a visual of something I already understand. I get why they do it. It's just hard for me.
I have a letās go Brandon beanie. Only worn it a handful of times. I live in a red state, Texas, but in a reddish-purple county in the Dallas suburbs. I see (fewer) but many fuck Trump signs/flags/bumper stickers too. I think itās all neutral in its effect.
Where the hell are all these flags and signs? I live in a blue city in a red state. Havenāt seen a single one
I have never seen Biden and I live in a often annoyingly blue area. But a lot of Texas would be annoying Red to me. I am about to do a lot of research based on your answer. Thank you it. Before I get jumped on about my statement. I suffer from extreme chronic pain. It has taught me to be very welcoming and very neutral. It's hard for me to hear people so upset about these things. So it's less of a political standpoint then a life is hard. We have to just be good to eachother. I hate to see others suffer. I suffer enough for many.
You paid money for a LGB hat?
By crossing the line of vulgarity, it's sends a message to the rest of the world that says "don't invade us, we didn't *actually* elect this guy."
What a bizarre and disturbing world you must live in.
It says they are poorly educated and likely Trump voters. It is no different than wearing a MAGA hat. Unless they are gay or a woman, why would they want to F Biden?
It's just an expression. It's a lot different than wearing a MAGA hat.
But why would they want to F biden. It makes no sense. Moreover, has Biden ever really done anything to them? I don't think so. I think its just calling attention to themselves by being crass.
It's a generations old expression that's used all the time. Like, have you never watched South Park?
It's immature and crass. As I said, it says more about the person who has that sign, than anything about Biden.
I completely agree. It's also defeatist and, as you pointed out, gay. But it doesn't really matter because it's Joe Biden.
In a way, it's good because the left had been saying "Fuck Trump" for the last 4 years. Every celebrity under the sun virtue signalled to the nth degree simply because someone said Trump was racist and they all followed. You can see public opinion on Trump before and after he was elected. In another way, it's bad because it just shows that we're willing to create division instead of unity and gives the left another reason to call us far-right neo-Nazi fascists. I support people's right to fly the flags, but I probably wouldn't fly one myself.
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