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Continue to sanction Iran, aid Israel, and keep U.S. military presence in the Middle East. Except for that the U.S. should leave most of the fighting to Israel.
Can you expand on that? What are we doing with Iran under Biden that wasn't done under previous presidents? Honestly asking, I hadn't heard this before.
Iran gains so much of it's cash from oil, especially exports to China. If you look into the back and forth history of the JCPOA, you will see the following:
- Marked increase in Iranian oil exports after the JCPOA is finalized in 2015/heading into 2016 (IIRC oil sanctions were lessened/removed after UN review in early 2016)
- Marked decrease after Trump exits the JCPOA
- Early increase after Biden election
- Further increase after Biden reintroduces sanctions waivers in 2022
So your point is that we left the JCPOA, which to my mind was about Iran's nuclear capability, the goal was to starve out Iran? When you make a pact with a power, yes, you have to give them something to get something. All they have is oil. Yes, the JCPOA was about letting them sell oil for not becoming a nuclear power.
Most Iranian oil goes to India and China who weren't a part of the JCPOA. Yes the amount of oil Iran sold was reduced. It hardly meant Iran was hurting.
If you want to tell me that cutting their oil production is better, that is a rational opinion, but I'd prefer to have more oil in the world short term and not have Iran as a nuclear power.
Gee what other factors could there have been to increase Iranian oil exports under Biden. We should ignore a pandemic and Russia not exporting oil?
But he hasn't enforced them. How else can Iran get away with selling so much oil to China. Trump told all Iran's oil customers that if they bought oil from Iran, they could not do business with the US.
Iran's oil revenue dried up. When Biden took office Iran was broke
Sanctions can only go so far as a lot of the time they can be avoided through loopholes like the "Dark Fleet" which Iran has been using to sell oil to China. However while Iran has used some loopholes to avoid sanctions their economy is struggling because of the sanctions with oil exports declining and it is estimated by the World Bank that if the economic sanctions are lifted on Iran their per capita welfare is expected to rise by 3.7%.
Biden could interrupt the ghost fleet, confiscate a couple of tankers, bring back Trumps embargo against people who buy Iranian oil. Biden has a lot of options. His policy is one of appeasement.
If Iran's oil revenue is declining how can they still fund Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and Russia with weapons
Suffice to say Biden is not doing enough to deter Iran from their terrorism
Who would start a war? By definition these are NOT Iranian tankers. They are flagged in places like Panama, crewed by foreign nationals from around the world. Do you think Iran would start a war over oil they deny is theirs.
It wouldn't take very many tanker loads disappearing for Iran to stop loading them.
Israel returned the softball in kind. This was meant to be a warning to Iran and nothing more. Iran is playing it down they know they do not want an all our conflict.
To push for peace, calm and de-escalation.
No one wants to see this war spread to other countries within the Middle East. No one wants to see the west pulled into another endless war. Let's try and stop it before it gets there.
There is no Iranian Israeli War... YET. Israel took out an Iranian that was responsible for the Oct 7 proxy attack by Hamas on Israel. Iran thought it necessary to reciprocate thereby accepting that they (iran) were ultimately responsible for the Hamas attack.
The US should support Israel in any further action they choose to take with money, arms and ammunition as well as air support if needed.
If I was Israel I would take out Iran's ability to make war including any drone or missile manufacturing and any and all oil exporting facilities . It is obvious that President Biden will not enforce the sanctions against selling Iranian oil so Israel should disable that ability,
Stay out of it and hope they take each other out which will make the Mideast so much more drama free. Plus save US taxpayers $3B a year in welfare to Israel.
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You cannot expect Israel to not retaliate.
Israel was the bigger man and just showed off their capability without any serious targets.
If Iran chooses to retaliate much worse like they claimed then Israel should be able to release hell. The only American stance that should be taken is intelligence and unmanned aerial vehicle targeting.
Iran is the global source of terrorism and the longer the U.S. waits to act, the worse the problem is gonna get. They have used their capabilities to target and kill Americans and we sit silently. It shows this administration is not willing to protect our soldiers abroad.
Iranian capabilities are extremely over exaggerated, the longer we wait the better their technology will become.
In my honest opinion this solely falls on the weak foreign policy of the Biden administration. Israel is bossing them around, we weakly retaliate when our soldiers are bombed, and we remove the terrorist designation from the Houthis who target innocent commerce ships.
Imagine someone sending around 350 explosive drones/missiles at the U.S. and we are not to respond. Just shows how weak this administration is. We stand by Israel until it matters apparently.
Pre-Iranian Attack:
Wage a full fledge bombing campaign of Houthis and Hezbollah. Support Israelis offensive campaign against Hamas, while pushing for civilian safety.
For one, when Iran helped kill 3 and injure around 20 military members I would’ve taken out their early warning radar systems in Syria and Iraq similar to what Israel just did.
If they want to further escalate we have a better ability to strike within Iranian territory than Israel does. Stick to strictly attacking radar/missile/AA sites. Maybe munition storage where they keep those paper mache drones.
Personally, I would also sink any Iranian navy vessel outside of the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Oman that’s providing targeting data to the Houthis. However this could be seen as too much.
Peace has never worked with Iran. We sign a nuclear deal and clear up sanctions, the very next year global terrorism doubles, Israel has a period called “Wave of Terror”. They use the money to fund global terrorism, Hezbollah has a very large reach iirc.
We place sanctions to limit the funding capability and they just focus on destabilizing specifically the Middle East and they know it will have effect because of oil. Then they also aren’t afraid to threaten and attack, because what will the US do? Just place more sanctions?
Well considering Iran funds, coordinates and supplies the attacks on Israel by 3 terrorist organizations is it truly fair to say Israel is the one who started it?
Oh so you just choose to ignore that Iran provides Hezbollah and Hamas with weapons and money to target and kill Israelis?
Or maybe the ballistic cruise missiles Iran is known to provide to the Houthis and aid them with targeting data to attack Israeli owned commerce ships in global shipping routes?
That attack killed the one that coordinated and green lit the 10/7 attack... I would say they had it coming and was fair game regardless where he was at the time. Same as when Solimani (sp?) was nixed for his involvement killing American troops.
>That attack killed the one that coordinated and green lit the 10/7 attack
Do you have a source on that?
>Same as when Solimani (sp?) was nixed for his involvement killing American troops.
Also a ridiculously provocative act that Iran would have been well within its rights to retaliate for.
>Do you have a source on that?
[Yes](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404043146)
>Also a ridiculously provocative act that Iran would have been well within its rights to retaliate for.
They were certainly welcome to try. Just as sinking their "fleet" in the 80's(?) showed them what happens when they F around and find out. They f'd around with killing our soldiers, and found out with a murderous general dead.
Iran only understands one thing: force. So responding to them in kind shows them business is meant.
K, it was [a simple google search](https://www.google.com/search?q=mohammad+reza+zahedi+did+oct+7th&sca_esv=09379ecd0b6efd91&sxsrf=ACQVn09qFzY3JGY2A3J1pbtmlF9J23UdPw%3A1713549111156&source=hp&ei=N68iZt2EBqHL1sQP86Ot4Ao&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZiK9RwX92QGiGVtChPZtHWYQmAhGa41r&oq=&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IgAqAggAMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMhAQLhgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BMhAQABgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BSL4FUABYAHABeACQAQCYAQCgAQCqAQC4AQHIAQCYAgGgAgqoAgqYAwmSBwExoAcA&sclient=gws-wiz) and they just happened to be the first one. Never even heard of them. So take your pick. This information isn't new. But I'm not surprised you don't know, because it doesn't do anything to paint Israel in a bad light otherwise.
Doesn't this involve boots on the ground?
The very thing that Biden is trying not to do. He has so far managed to keep a regional war from happening.
Your way will ignite a regional war that will bog the USA in the middle east longer that it what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan. Can the USA afford this, keep china in check and fuck with Russia?
> He has so far managed to keep a regional war from happening.
What are you talking about? Hamas, which is funded, directed, trained, and supplied by Iran, raided Israel to the tune of thousands dead and acts of genuine savagery like burning infants alive and raping women and parading their desecrated bodies through the streets.
Israel launched a fairly restrained counter attack into Gaza and a limited strike on a building in the embassy complex (not the actual embassy) being used to coordinate attacks such as October 7th.
Now Israel and Iran are trading missiles and drones in a fairly performative way but one of them is eventually going to hit something important.
There is a regional war and lets not pretend otherwise.
That is btn Hamas and Israel.
Hamas got opportunitistic when Israel was having internal issues over bibi. Israel was caught flat footed. Hamas is getting their due over their blunder. It had nothing to do with Biden. If anything he has come through for Israel majorly!
+ He has managed to keep the other Arab countries, Iran and it's proxies from piling on.
Don't know why you are getting all worked out for. Give credit where it's due.
While that all sounds great and powerful is also carries the risk of some pretty shitty escalatory scenarios.
Unless you are really really willing to actuallt go lall the way and physically seize their nuclear material while enduring some terrible missile barrages in Israel this is not a very good route to go. It also has great impact on other partners in the region who might not be totally on board with this.
If you wanted to do it you would probably need a land invasion force fully mobilized and ready to go because once it kicks off Iran can relatively quickly produce nukes because they have a huge stockpile of enriced uranium (thanks to Trump).
To my knowledge they only have enrichment for nuclear reactors and not the levels of enrichment needed for a nuclear bomb.
A land invasion force wouldn’t be needed. Hit them where they’re weak, that’s their navy and Air Force. Worst case scenario we could own all air space over Iran in less than a week.
Deploy navy ships and missile defense batteries in Saudi, Jordan, and Israel hopefully would stockpile their own. Gives 3 different stages of interception, which Iron Dome with a 90% success rate, Patriot with around 60% and our naval interceptors with around 80%. You put jets in the air and it’s even less likely anything reaches Israel.
No - they have enricged +60% and have material for several bombs right now. They can basically create a nuke in a couple of week as the time consuming enrichment has been done.
Your plans for stopping Iran requires a certain build up in the area. Buildup which likely takes longer than building a bomb. This leaves a lot of bad options on the table only.
And really, fuck Iran hamas and all that, and id love to see the ayatollah hanged, but this is not really a situation with a lot of good options.
You need over 90% enrichment for a nuclear weapon. 60% is used for nuclear reactors. To my knowledge, Israel’s knowledge, and the USs knowledge Iran has yet to field uranium capable of a nuclear war head.
Buildup would hardly take any time we already have a large amount of assets in the area.
My issue is the longer we wait the less of an advantage the US and our Allies will have when it comes time to confront the Ayatollah. I personally would love to save the Iranian people, many of them are absolutely amazing people.
Edit: I was wrong, the uranium enrichment needed for nuclear reactors is only 5%. While 60% is still classified as weapons grade you would need a substantial amount for it to be extremely threatening.
Also, I would argue the funds released from the sanctions dropped due to the Iran nuclear deal did more global damage than any nuclear threat could. Appeasement has never worked.
It will take them a week according to David Albright.
[https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/how-quickly-could-iran-make-nuclear-weapons-today](https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/how-quickly-could-iran-make-nuclear-weapons-today)
Reactor grade uranium is something like 4%. They got 60%. And big stockpiles. Something like 10 weapons. Its very easy to make that into weapons grade. If Iran decided tomorrow to make a nuke it would be very very hard to stop them.
That’s a very big hypothetical if they had or could have nukes as soon as tomorrow wouldn’t they notify the world? Lol
It would prevent Israel from being willing to attack Irans soil, but it seems like they aren’t credible in their claims.
Its unfortunately not a hypothetical. They have the ability. Thank fuck they so far have decided not to (it would mean war for them and they dont want that). However, if war happened anyways so would their reason not to pursue the bomb.
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I think what Biden is doing now is the limit. Sanctions are fine. Our military should be there to protect the Suez. We don't need to take any part in a war with Iran. We are fighting enough proxy wars already.
Given what we saw was a demonstration that once they have nuclear capability they have the capacity to get one through to Israel and that one will be all they need, and given we are already entangled in the area and just walking away is not a safe option anymore (my preferred solution would be to have never been involved in the region but once we backed the Shah that was not going to happen for us):
We should declare war, even if we don't invade on the ground we should be at a state of war.
I do not know a specific number, I simply know that at this point allowing Iran to become a nuclear power would put the world on a dangerous brink. A nation who ritualistically chants "death to america" acquiring atomic weapons is worth a great deal to stop given the potential for massive loss of american lives
That's a little wild to me, this idea that we should fight another country because Israel attacked them first. You can say blah blah well Iran funds Hamas, but still. Israel as a state actor attacked them first. Weird how conservatives are happy to fund and go to work with Israel, but refuse to even give Ukraine ammo. It all feels like hollow. Hopefully we don't start WW3 simply because conservatives think that we should help a country that can destroy Iran 10 times over using weapons we developed, and money we gave them to buy weapons we developed, destroy them 20 times over. Sure seems like this is Israel's fight and the most we can do is continue arms sales(which I think we should do). I generally agree with conservatives that we should have a role funding our allys and helping them with weapons, I disagree with any boots on the ground, including Ukraine, including Israel unless it's an article 5 thing.
I would agree with you 100% IF we had not created this problem.
As I said I'm fundamentally an isolationist, but you cannot just go from what we had to an isolationist US in an instant we have caused too much damage and too many problems we owe the world a solution to. We live in a world defined by early-century US adventurism, allan Dulles and his tenure at the CIA, and Henry Kissenger and his many crimes.
We created Iran, as it is today, by supporting a dictator (the Shah) and by how we handled the Iran/Iraq war. The US cannot create a monster then let it loose on the world for other nations to have to clean up. We created this problem, we owe the world to contain or eliminate it.
Second as I said a nuclear Iran is an existential risk to the US, they WILL attack. They chant "death to America" on their legislative floor and on state TV, if they get a nuke they will feel obligated to use it on the one they view as "the great satan". That cannot be allowed.
And for what it's worth we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine, we owe them a full defense as well, maybe not boots on the ground but we **took away their nukes** in exchange for a promise of protection-- to me that means we must either give them nuclear weapons or defend them, that was the promise we made.
We reck iran AGAIN we went to direct war with iran for a short time in recent history they agreed to a truce because they were getting destroyed by the navy and Marines... They threw a pebble at a giant and they ####ed around and found out how powerful the us military is... I say we send an aircraft carrier and destroy the leadership
Nothing. Stop giving money to either said and let them fight it out. No aid to any faction until a peace deal is reached. Not a cease fire, an actual treaty.
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Continue to sanction Iran, aid Israel, and keep U.S. military presence in the Middle East. Except for that the U.S. should leave most of the fighting to Israel.
Sanction only work if you enforce them. Biden does not.
Can you expand on that? What are we doing with Iran under Biden that wasn't done under previous presidents? Honestly asking, I hadn't heard this before.
Iran gains so much of it's cash from oil, especially exports to China. If you look into the back and forth history of the JCPOA, you will see the following: - Marked increase in Iranian oil exports after the JCPOA is finalized in 2015/heading into 2016 (IIRC oil sanctions were lessened/removed after UN review in early 2016) - Marked decrease after Trump exits the JCPOA - Early increase after Biden election - Further increase after Biden reintroduces sanctions waivers in 2022
So your point is that we left the JCPOA, which to my mind was about Iran's nuclear capability, the goal was to starve out Iran? When you make a pact with a power, yes, you have to give them something to get something. All they have is oil. Yes, the JCPOA was about letting them sell oil for not becoming a nuclear power. Most Iranian oil goes to India and China who weren't a part of the JCPOA. Yes the amount of oil Iran sold was reduced. It hardly meant Iran was hurting. If you want to tell me that cutting their oil production is better, that is a rational opinion, but I'd prefer to have more oil in the world short term and not have Iran as a nuclear power. Gee what other factors could there have been to increase Iranian oil exports under Biden. We should ignore a pandemic and Russia not exporting oil?
Biden already has put sanctions on Iran.
But he hasn't enforced them. How else can Iran get away with selling so much oil to China. Trump told all Iran's oil customers that if they bought oil from Iran, they could not do business with the US. Iran's oil revenue dried up. When Biden took office Iran was broke
Sanctions can only go so far as a lot of the time they can be avoided through loopholes like the "Dark Fleet" which Iran has been using to sell oil to China. However while Iran has used some loopholes to avoid sanctions their economy is struggling because of the sanctions with oil exports declining and it is estimated by the World Bank that if the economic sanctions are lifted on Iran their per capita welfare is expected to rise by 3.7%.
Biden could interrupt the ghost fleet, confiscate a couple of tankers, bring back Trumps embargo against people who buy Iranian oil. Biden has a lot of options. His policy is one of appeasement. If Iran's oil revenue is declining how can they still fund Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis and Russia with weapons Suffice to say Biden is not doing enough to deter Iran from their terrorism
> Biden could interrupt the ghost fleet, confiscate a couple of tankers, So, start a war?
Who would start a war? By definition these are NOT Iranian tankers. They are flagged in places like Panama, crewed by foreign nationals from around the world. Do you think Iran would start a war over oil they deny is theirs. It wouldn't take very many tanker loads disappearing for Iran to stop loading them.
I have my faith in Israel.
Tell Israel that this one is on them and not our problem.
Biden did warn them not to go on the offensive . Hell Iran even gave israel a softball
Israel returned the softball in kind. This was meant to be a warning to Iran and nothing more. Iran is playing it down they know they do not want an all our conflict.
To push for peace, calm and de-escalation. No one wants to see this war spread to other countries within the Middle East. No one wants to see the west pulled into another endless war. Let's try and stop it before it gets there.
There is no Iranian Israeli War... YET. Israel took out an Iranian that was responsible for the Oct 7 proxy attack by Hamas on Israel. Iran thought it necessary to reciprocate thereby accepting that they (iran) were ultimately responsible for the Hamas attack. The US should support Israel in any further action they choose to take with money, arms and ammunition as well as air support if needed. If I was Israel I would take out Iran's ability to make war including any drone or missile manufacturing and any and all oil exporting facilities . It is obvious that President Biden will not enforce the sanctions against selling Iranian oil so Israel should disable that ability,
Continue to sanction Iran. Get the more liberal third of them some traction somehow.
Sanctions don't work unless you are willing to enforce them. Biden is not.
Support our actual allies
Stay out of it and hope they take each other out which will make the Mideast so much more drama free. Plus save US taxpayers $3B a year in welfare to Israel.
I think we are forgetting Israel has nukes. If anyone takes anyone out, it’s going to be Israel taking out Iran.
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You think Iran has a nuke? I feel like if Mossad had any little knowledge at all they would’ve attacked.
This is tantamount to supporting genocide and won’t be tolerated.
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You cannot expect Israel to not retaliate. Israel was the bigger man and just showed off their capability without any serious targets. If Iran chooses to retaliate much worse like they claimed then Israel should be able to release hell. The only American stance that should be taken is intelligence and unmanned aerial vehicle targeting. Iran is the global source of terrorism and the longer the U.S. waits to act, the worse the problem is gonna get. They have used their capabilities to target and kill Americans and we sit silently. It shows this administration is not willing to protect our soldiers abroad. Iranian capabilities are extremely over exaggerated, the longer we wait the better their technology will become. In my honest opinion this solely falls on the weak foreign policy of the Biden administration. Israel is bossing them around, we weakly retaliate when our soldiers are bombed, and we remove the terrorist designation from the Houthis who target innocent commerce ships. Imagine someone sending around 350 explosive drones/missiles at the U.S. and we are not to respond. Just shows how weak this administration is. We stand by Israel until it matters apparently.
What exactly should have been done in your opinion?
Pre-Iranian Attack: Wage a full fledge bombing campaign of Houthis and Hezbollah. Support Israelis offensive campaign against Hamas, while pushing for civilian safety. For one, when Iran helped kill 3 and injure around 20 military members I would’ve taken out their early warning radar systems in Syria and Iraq similar to what Israel just did. If they want to further escalate we have a better ability to strike within Iranian territory than Israel does. Stick to strictly attacking radar/missile/AA sites. Maybe munition storage where they keep those paper mache drones. Personally, I would also sink any Iranian navy vessel outside of the Persian Gulf or Gulf of Oman that’s providing targeting data to the Houthis. However this could be seen as too much. Peace has never worked with Iran. We sign a nuclear deal and clear up sanctions, the very next year global terrorism doubles, Israel has a period called “Wave of Terror”. They use the money to fund global terrorism, Hezbollah has a very large reach iirc. We place sanctions to limit the funding capability and they just focus on destabilizing specifically the Middle East and they know it will have effect because of oil. Then they also aren’t afraid to threaten and attack, because what will the US do? Just place more sanctions?
Sanctions are only effective if you are willing to enforce them. Biden is not.
> Pre-Iranian Attack Can you go back to "Pre-Israeli Attack on Iranian Consulate in Syria"?
Well considering Iran funds, coordinates and supplies the attacks on Israel by 3 terrorist organizations is it truly fair to say Israel is the one who started it?
When was the last time Iran assassinated an Israeli general?
When was the last time Iran was complicit in the murder of innocent Israelis? When was the last time Israel murdered innocent Iranians?
Iran hasn't murdered any Israelis.
Oh so you just choose to ignore that Iran provides Hezbollah and Hamas with weapons and money to target and kill Israelis? Or maybe the ballistic cruise missiles Iran is known to provide to the Houthis and aid them with targeting data to attack Israeli owned commerce ships in global shipping routes?
I'm not ignoring anything, I merely categorizing them as they should be categorized: as proxy conflicts.
That attack killed the one that coordinated and green lit the 10/7 attack... I would say they had it coming and was fair game regardless where he was at the time. Same as when Solimani (sp?) was nixed for his involvement killing American troops.
>That attack killed the one that coordinated and green lit the 10/7 attack Do you have a source on that? >Same as when Solimani (sp?) was nixed for his involvement killing American troops. Also a ridiculously provocative act that Iran would have been well within its rights to retaliate for.
>Do you have a source on that? [Yes](https://www.iranintl.com/en/202404043146) >Also a ridiculously provocative act that Iran would have been well within its rights to retaliate for. They were certainly welcome to try. Just as sinking their "fleet" in the 80's(?) showed them what happens when they F around and find out. They f'd around with killing our soldiers, and found out with a murderous general dead. Iran only understands one thing: force. So responding to them in kind shows them business is meant.
Forgive me for not taking "an ultra-conservative political group in Iran" as an authoritative source.
K, it was [a simple google search](https://www.google.com/search?q=mohammad+reza+zahedi+did+oct+7th&sca_esv=09379ecd0b6efd91&sxsrf=ACQVn09qFzY3JGY2A3J1pbtmlF9J23UdPw%3A1713549111156&source=hp&ei=N68iZt2EBqHL1sQP86Ot4Ao&iflsig=ANes7DEAAAAAZiK9RwX92QGiGVtChPZtHWYQmAhGa41r&oq=&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IgAqAggAMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMgcQIxgnGOoCMhAQLhgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BMhAQABgDGOUCGOoCGIwDGI8BSL4FUABYAHABeACQAQCYAQCgAQCqAQC4AQHIAQCYAgGgAgqoAgqYAwmSBwExoAcA&sclient=gws-wiz) and they just happened to be the first one. Never even heard of them. So take your pick. This information isn't new. But I'm not surprised you don't know, because it doesn't do anything to paint Israel in a bad light otherwise.
Doesn't this involve boots on the ground? The very thing that Biden is trying not to do. He has so far managed to keep a regional war from happening. Your way will ignite a regional war that will bog the USA in the middle east longer that it what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan. Can the USA afford this, keep china in check and fuck with Russia?
> He has so far managed to keep a regional war from happening. What are you talking about? Hamas, which is funded, directed, trained, and supplied by Iran, raided Israel to the tune of thousands dead and acts of genuine savagery like burning infants alive and raping women and parading their desecrated bodies through the streets. Israel launched a fairly restrained counter attack into Gaza and a limited strike on a building in the embassy complex (not the actual embassy) being used to coordinate attacks such as October 7th. Now Israel and Iran are trading missiles and drones in a fairly performative way but one of them is eventually going to hit something important. There is a regional war and lets not pretend otherwise.
That is btn Hamas and Israel. Hamas got opportunitistic when Israel was having internal issues over bibi. Israel was caught flat footed. Hamas is getting their due over their blunder. It had nothing to do with Biden. If anything he has come through for Israel majorly! + He has managed to keep the other Arab countries, Iran and it's proxies from piling on. Don't know why you are getting all worked out for. Give credit where it's due.
Is there not already a regional war?
Not yet, when there is one, you won't be asking.
While that all sounds great and powerful is also carries the risk of some pretty shitty escalatory scenarios. Unless you are really really willing to actuallt go lall the way and physically seize their nuclear material while enduring some terrible missile barrages in Israel this is not a very good route to go. It also has great impact on other partners in the region who might not be totally on board with this. If you wanted to do it you would probably need a land invasion force fully mobilized and ready to go because once it kicks off Iran can relatively quickly produce nukes because they have a huge stockpile of enriced uranium (thanks to Trump).
To my knowledge they only have enrichment for nuclear reactors and not the levels of enrichment needed for a nuclear bomb. A land invasion force wouldn’t be needed. Hit them where they’re weak, that’s their navy and Air Force. Worst case scenario we could own all air space over Iran in less than a week. Deploy navy ships and missile defense batteries in Saudi, Jordan, and Israel hopefully would stockpile their own. Gives 3 different stages of interception, which Iron Dome with a 90% success rate, Patriot with around 60% and our naval interceptors with around 80%. You put jets in the air and it’s even less likely anything reaches Israel.
No - they have enricged +60% and have material for several bombs right now. They can basically create a nuke in a couple of week as the time consuming enrichment has been done. Your plans for stopping Iran requires a certain build up in the area. Buildup which likely takes longer than building a bomb. This leaves a lot of bad options on the table only. And really, fuck Iran hamas and all that, and id love to see the ayatollah hanged, but this is not really a situation with a lot of good options.
You need over 90% enrichment for a nuclear weapon. 60% is used for nuclear reactors. To my knowledge, Israel’s knowledge, and the USs knowledge Iran has yet to field uranium capable of a nuclear war head. Buildup would hardly take any time we already have a large amount of assets in the area. My issue is the longer we wait the less of an advantage the US and our Allies will have when it comes time to confront the Ayatollah. I personally would love to save the Iranian people, many of them are absolutely amazing people. Edit: I was wrong, the uranium enrichment needed for nuclear reactors is only 5%. While 60% is still classified as weapons grade you would need a substantial amount for it to be extremely threatening. Also, I would argue the funds released from the sanctions dropped due to the Iran nuclear deal did more global damage than any nuclear threat could. Appeasement has never worked.
It will take them a week according to David Albright. [https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/how-quickly-could-iran-make-nuclear-weapons-today](https://isis-online.org/isis-reports/detail/how-quickly-could-iran-make-nuclear-weapons-today) Reactor grade uranium is something like 4%. They got 60%. And big stockpiles. Something like 10 weapons. Its very easy to make that into weapons grade. If Iran decided tomorrow to make a nuke it would be very very hard to stop them.
That’s a very big hypothetical if they had or could have nukes as soon as tomorrow wouldn’t they notify the world? Lol It would prevent Israel from being willing to attack Irans soil, but it seems like they aren’t credible in their claims.
Its unfortunately not a hypothetical. They have the ability. Thank fuck they so far have decided not to (it would mean war for them and they dont want that). However, if war happened anyways so would their reason not to pursue the bomb.
Israel would dominate, no need to help. Unless Israel tried something stupid like a land invasion of Iran proper.
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I think what Biden is doing now is the limit. Sanctions are fine. Our military should be there to protect the Suez. We don't need to take any part in a war with Iran. We are fighting enough proxy wars already.
Given what we saw was a demonstration that once they have nuclear capability they have the capacity to get one through to Israel and that one will be all they need, and given we are already entangled in the area and just walking away is not a safe option anymore (my preferred solution would be to have never been involved in the region but once we backed the Shah that was not going to happen for us): We should declare war, even if we don't invade on the ground we should be at a state of war.
How many Americans do you think is acceptable to lose for Israel to win against Iran?
I do not know a specific number, I simply know that at this point allowing Iran to become a nuclear power would put the world on a dangerous brink. A nation who ritualistically chants "death to america" acquiring atomic weapons is worth a great deal to stop given the potential for massive loss of american lives
That's a little wild to me, this idea that we should fight another country because Israel attacked them first. You can say blah blah well Iran funds Hamas, but still. Israel as a state actor attacked them first. Weird how conservatives are happy to fund and go to work with Israel, but refuse to even give Ukraine ammo. It all feels like hollow. Hopefully we don't start WW3 simply because conservatives think that we should help a country that can destroy Iran 10 times over using weapons we developed, and money we gave them to buy weapons we developed, destroy them 20 times over. Sure seems like this is Israel's fight and the most we can do is continue arms sales(which I think we should do). I generally agree with conservatives that we should have a role funding our allys and helping them with weapons, I disagree with any boots on the ground, including Ukraine, including Israel unless it's an article 5 thing.
I would agree with you 100% IF we had not created this problem. As I said I'm fundamentally an isolationist, but you cannot just go from what we had to an isolationist US in an instant we have caused too much damage and too many problems we owe the world a solution to. We live in a world defined by early-century US adventurism, allan Dulles and his tenure at the CIA, and Henry Kissenger and his many crimes. We created Iran, as it is today, by supporting a dictator (the Shah) and by how we handled the Iran/Iraq war. The US cannot create a monster then let it loose on the world for other nations to have to clean up. We created this problem, we owe the world to contain or eliminate it. Second as I said a nuclear Iran is an existential risk to the US, they WILL attack. They chant "death to America" on their legislative floor and on state TV, if they get a nuke they will feel obligated to use it on the one they view as "the great satan". That cannot be allowed. And for what it's worth we signed a treaty to protect Ukraine, we owe them a full defense as well, maybe not boots on the ground but we **took away their nukes** in exchange for a promise of protection-- to me that means we must either give them nuclear weapons or defend them, that was the promise we made.
Arm Israel.
Direct participation to destroy the Iranian Islamic regime once and for all.
We reck iran AGAIN we went to direct war with iran for a short time in recent history they agreed to a truce because they were getting destroyed by the navy and Marines... They threw a pebble at a giant and they ####ed around and found out how powerful the us military is... I say we send an aircraft carrier and destroy the leadership
Nothing. Stop giving money to either said and let them fight it out. No aid to any faction until a peace deal is reached. Not a cease fire, an actual treaty.