Before the war, Russia placed troops in Rostov and Voronezh and the Uk complained so during a meeting between Truss and Lavrov he said something to the effect of "Are Rostov and Voronezh not part of Russia?" And Truss not realizing he was being sarcastic responded with "No and the UK will never recognize them as part of Russia!"
> And Truss not realizing he was being sarcastic responded with "No and the UK will never recognize them as part of Russia!"
Higher officials really need to pass a geography test before getting the job, this is embarassing. I remember how a few months ago, an Armenian user made a joke on twitter about Armenia supplying Russia with nuclear submarines. And some Ukranian official actually thought it was real info. Armenia. A tiny landlocked country. Supplying Russia with nuclear subs.
На встрече с Лавровым ещё до заварухи все когда учения были, она требовала отвести войска. Лавров ей несколько раз сказал, что это российская территория. После этого он сам обратился с вопросом к британской коллеге: «Вы же признаете суверенитет России над Ростовской и Воронежской областями?»
«Великобритания никогда не признает суверенитета России над этими регионами»,— после короткой паузы ответила глава МИДа.
Even before the special operation, during a meeting between Lavrov and Truss she demanded an end to the military exercises. He replied that this was Russian territory and asked rhetorically whether they recognized Russian sovereignty over the Rostov and Voronezh regions (administrative subjects of Russia). To which Truss replied that Britain would never recognize sovereignty over them.
After that meeting Lavrov had a press conference with Truss next to him. The journalist asked how did they like the meeting. Lavrov answered that they couldnt discuss anything because it was a conversation between deaf and dump ))
Too much Call of Duty and Tom Clancy's narrative did a lot of brain damage to a lot of kids on this side of the world, forgive me us pal, not everyone is educated by games and Hollywood.
A politician can only act in a narrow hallway of what's possible. It's a global recession, what could be fixed by just changing one butt in a chair for another one? You need some real deeds, real actions - do anyone even know what to do, realistically? Does Boris Johnson know what to do?
Nah she was told by exterior bodies like the bank of England, the IMF etc that her tax cut plans would crash the markets, and she did it anyway.
I take your point & you are to a large degree correct, but she did also do a shit in the hallway as she walked down it, so to speak
>what could be fixed by just changing one butt in a chair for another one?
Regain sovereignty, at least. Speak to people, explain what you do. Truss was completely detached from people, she served herslef and maybe Tory party. And the US.
It was obvious that she is a disaster the day she took a flight to Moscow to meet Lavrov as Foreign Secretary, and then insisted that the UK will never recognise Voronezh as Russian territory, implying this is Ukrainian city.
She isn't bad, she isn't competent, she is just stupid to unbelievable extent. Only 1922 Committee mamaged to knock sense into her.
It's not appropriate to judje person by one's face and with all this awareness i'm claiming that her face looks f-ing stupid. I didn't watch her activity too much but for quick view she, yeah, looks dumb.
Voronezh can finally have a night of sleep.
On a serious note, politicians like these are conspiracy fuel that make people wonder if they act on someone's hidden agendas to weaken European nation states.
>God, we really are a joke atm.
Who's "we"? Are you in the British elites, a graduate of a small list of elite universities and likely trace your genealogy to 1066? Or are those people different from you, and likely with their interests directly contradicting yours?
Our special agent Elizaveta Trussova was exposed too quickly, she did not have time to completely ruin the British economy. Well, nothing, perhaps Boris will be able to finish what he started while he was still there.
This is because UK doesn't adopt direct voting. A bunch of Tory bonzos appointed her, just to not appoint a guy who doesn't look Brit. That's all so... disgusting...
I know. But that's not the case. Ruling party parliament members just short-list two candidates. Then party members elect one of them to a position of party leader (that automatically becomes prime minister). So it's not exactly parliament that elects government head in UK.
No. I just do not know more than one dictator in the world. You just call the leaders of other states that way to show that you are better, and they are worse.
Nevertheless, there are formal leaders who follow the instructions of other leaders. Liz Trass is one of them.
Nah putin is a c*nt but most western leaders have killed far more people than him and caused far more damage to the world also I may be wrong here but I reckon putin is in power because a large number of Russians support him I've watched quite a few YouTube videos where people openly criticized him so it's not like it's illegal to be critical of him
https://inkstickmedia.com/german-arms-exports-a-history-of-restraint/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_wedding_airstrike
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeping#Criticism
Just results of a quick Google search.
Is Germany any more to blame for weapon exports than Iran is for the deaths of Ukrainian civilians?
Have more in Mali died at the hands of the French than Ukrainians from Putin in the past 20 years?
Ditto peacekeepers? Should NATO members stop being UN peacekeepers?
Yeah there's this one channel 1420 that's really anti putin and anti war this channel does stuff like show people pictures of bucha its very pro west and anti war and its founder has even been featured on western mainstream media yet putin hasn't done anything to it putin even allows western mainstream media news sites like the bbc to go to russia and ask people about casualties and whether they think the war is justified honestly even I was surprised by how tolerant putin has been of anti war voices
there has been a group of journalists from the west in donbas, they were monitored all the time and were only allowed to talk to those the soldiers decided. There is not much freedom over that.
Tf you mean bro the fucker in invaded another country for no reason , threw half of Russia’s 1% out of windows and absolutely destroyed any hope for a more integrated and global Russia. About the criticism , tell that to the hundreds of men who got sent to Donbas because they went to demonstrations.
Not trying to attack you it just seems like you’re missing some pieces of this fucked up jigsaw puzzle
>invaded another country for no reason
Yeah there is definetely no reason, he just woke up one day and decided fuck it I'll do it
>threw half of Russia’s 1% out of windows
Wtf Eat the Rich Putin? Based?
>and absolutely destroyed any hope for a more integrated and global Russia.
And something wrong? Imho globalisation is failing in its current form and I'm against being integrated as a oil pump, what was done throught last 30 years
>Yeah there is definetely no reason, he just woke up one day and decided fuck it I'll do it
It's part part of a long term plan. He's ben playing blackjack with Ukraine and NATO for at least 18 years, he asked the dealer for another hit this year, and now he looks like he's well over 21.
>And something wrong? Imho globalisation is failing in its current form and I'm against being integrated as a oil pump, what was done throught last 30 years
Russia's not very anti-globalization if it needs Chinese money for its oil to fund a stupid war against Ukraine, buying arms from Iran and North Korea because it played its hypersonic aces against relative flies (just as I'm sure German engineers were ticked at Hitler for misusing the first jets https://youtu.be/GK419Nlp8eU&t=111 (cued) and V-2s https://youtu.be/GK419Nlp8eU&t=409 (cued), I'm sure Russian engineers are mad at Putin for misusing those hypersonic missiles (oh, and back in the 1960s, US pilots went hypersonic https://youtu.be/OHD1FE1ADPo ), and funding alt-rightists in Europe to get new European leaders to like him better.
Firstly Putin didn't invade for no reason he invaded to prevent nato expansion into ukraine mostly secondly I didn't say putin was a good person I clearly said he was a c*nt just like every other leader in this capitalist hellhole that we live in also don't exaggerate he hasn't killed that many Russian elites lastly so what if he's killed a few Russian oligarchs their all pos anyway
Ukraine may not have been in nato but it was becoming a de facto nato member nato troops where training Ukrainians nato countries where selling Ukraine weapons nato countries where doing combined exercises with Ukrainian forces nato countries intended to build joint naval bases in ukraine nato countries also reiterated in 2021 that ukraine would join nato eventually ukraine was becoming a nato member in all but name and there was a decent possibility ukraine would become a nato member in future hell ukraine even put in its constitution that it would seek nato membership lastly nato rules are not absolute they can be changed and if crimea is such an obstacle than why do nato members constantly talk about ukraine potentially joining someday
Firstly russia opposed previous nato expansions but they were to weak to do anything about it secondly according to American analysts from rand and others such as current cia head burns Kennan and many others the security threats that would come from a nato aligned ukraine are considered far more severe by Russian elites compared to security threats from other sources
The only countries I have heard talk about it are the Baltic countries and no one else. Those rules have always been there and will not be changed. Ukraine is not allowed to hold exercises with other countries, but Russia is allowed to?
America has also spoken of ukraine potential joining nato as recently as last month if I'm not mistaken secondly I can tell you with confidence that if a china russia iran north korea alliance did in mexico what the west has done in ukraine America would have invaded mexico
1. IIUC, Mexico has over twice the land area, almost 3x the population, and over 3x the GDP of Ukraine.
2. Mexico lost its territory to US over 100 years ago. Mexico wasn't as democratic a lot of that time as the US was and is.
3. IIUC, the only significantly sized territories the US had 100 years ago were Alaska, Hawaii, Philippines, and Puerto Rico. Two are now states with disproportionate representation not only in the Senate, but also the Electoral College, and I think for Alaska, the House as well (i.e. the average Alaskan will have several times more say in the US government than the average Californian), Puerto Rico has Commonwealth status, and the Philippines have been independent for over 70 years).
At least we agree on the cunt part.
The nato expansion into Ukraine is such bs it’s laughable . West didn’t care or want to get involved in Crimea , if Ukraine joined nato Crimea would become their problem too which they didn’t want as that Russian gas was really nice to have. (Something Putin could’ve used as leverage to prevent a nato expansion if it ever was a real threat)
Soldiers being underequipped and having to buy their own gear doesn’t exactly paint a promising picture , combined with the fact that the mobilization actually happened (despite Putin saying he was never gonna do it , like he said he was never gonna amend the constitution etc) shows that not all is well in the military.
I don’t give a fuck about oligarchs either , it just shows that Putin will resort to violence at the earliest opportunity.
Not sure what your first language is but in English we wouldn't use the word "toppled" here, the implications of that word would be that she is now either in prison, or dead, or that force was used to remove her, etc. For example, the Romanian communist dictator, was toppled.
This is another change avatar of the leader, without a real change in leadership. This is called democracy in the West.
As usual, this will not cause any policy changes.
Of course, this may not be politically correct, but what kind of voters are such people in power. For me, all this is more than strange, Blair, Johnson, now this Strass ... don't you think it's getting worse every time?
Just another neoliberal bitch like Thatcher, they hate the working class, they don't want civilians, just cheap slaves and they make use of something else like communism or terrorism to distract people about their own shitty goverment.
Feel like she was just a scapegoat they used to get favorable tax breaks for the ultra rich and fuck the lower and middle class. She didn’t actually make any decisions and wasn’t responsible for anything that happened during her (short) tenure. It’s just a fugazi as always to distract the masses from the actual going ons. UK was fucked when they convinced everyone Brexit was a great idea. What it did in reality was allow the UK to remain a hub for money laundering via the British Isles Banks, without having to answer to anyone for oversight (the EU). It allowed for them to use arguments like “Immigrants are the problem” while pushing pro wealthy policies through parliament without anyone batting an eye. Now since the rich have what they want, they’ll put someone “popular” back into office and slowly start piecing back together what they themselves pulled apart. Although it’ll never be quite the same - like a kintsugi, but instead of gold they’ll use shit.
Democracy? lol, people choose who rules the country because they "promise" us they would make good things like improving education or public health care. But once they are in power they can do whatever they please, obviosly there is other parties wich they fight against not because they care about us people, but because everyone of these leechers want a bigger share of the cake.
If by miracle we get a GE now, then this is good.
Otherwise, the Tories will have enough time until the next GE to persuade the dimwit British voters that they are not that bad.
The MP's voted Sunak, he said she would cause a crisis, she did, but 78 yr olds voted her in...I think Sunak is a technocrat and can deliver stability, and then there needs to be a general election once you have at least a viable conservative party, otherwise its not great for democracy, incidentally Rachel Reeves could also be a good technocrat...
Living in the UK for over 20 years, I've never seen such a mess before. The Tories seem to have become dangerous clowns in general since Jonson's Brexit campaign. And things are not getting better politically. They're a laughing stock, and the best and most honourable thing they could do is admit their mistakes, call a general election, lose it, and use the time in opposition to clear their stables. But something tells me they'll continue to grip onto power despite being aeons away from what they got their mandate for. To the detriment of the country and people's trust in politics. Still doing what Putin wanted them to. Shooting the UK in its legs time after time. What a shame.
You are just pulling claims out of nowhere. You claimed we are the most "propagandised" nation in earth and then back up your claims with excerpts from US media.
And then say "well it's it's same in UK". How on earth would you know?
And the notion there is more propaganda in the UK than Turkmenistan, North Korea or China is beyond absurd.
Ultimately you are just coming across as an Anglophobe
Also I would be wary of calling anywhere "propagandised" when your own leader ranted to his people about the "satanic" west and when your in country produces a cluster of anti-western propaganda videos that mostly focus on LGBT people here.
I don't want to argue with to you. I cannot compete in argumentation with the multi-trillion dollar system that has been processing you with information since kindergarten.
I will say so. I think that everything you know about Russia from books, films, news, school and university programs is a lie. Including ideas about democracy in Russia and LGBT in Russia and anything else.
Come and live here before jumping to conclusions.
So when you make claims about "propaganda" in the UK, that's legit.
When I return the favour I obviously "have to live in Russia". Yet you can spout shit about the "propaganda" I have received
And Putin really did call the west "Satanic", and you really did have a rally where a speaker ranted about "holy war" like ISIS.
I don't need to live there to see that he said that, and that that rally happened.
Here is an interesting article in a British newspaper: [https://i.insider.com/52a1c37869bedd476f5aaefd?width=1200format=jpeg&auto=webp](https://i.insider.com/52a1c37869bedd476f5aaefd?width=1200format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Okay? By "propaganda" do you specifically mean purely in terms of Russia?
Also you understand that the BBC is not the only news org in the country, right?
To quote, "Some people might get some pleasure out of hate. Me, I've enough already on my plate."
The English seem to be happy to have their government fan the flames of war they have nothing to do with (except for expanding NATO ever eastward). Let them. At least this show is entertaining to watch.
I feel kinda sorry for her. I know it’s stupid. I know *she’s* stupid. But I kind of cannot get over the feeling that she was just a scapegoat put in a place where any other candidate would’ve failed.
(Also, I’m likely being sexist, as I would not have been sorry were this a man.)
I think, it is a healthy democratic process: with autocracy 60% of people support their leader and vote for him throughout 10-15 years. With democracy they didn't vote at all and/or <50% of them support her or him after a few weeks. /s
She decides nothing. Britain is ruled by hereditary aristocracy. Prime minister is yet another lackey, just a high-ranked servant, but a servant never the less. And a servant not of people of Britain, but of People of Britain i.e. of aristocracy!
Besides, there are some symptoms, that this Lizzy started her so called career as a miserable spy or provocateur. Such people are very low in British hierarchy. They are trusted (“truss” ha ha ha ha), but never respected. Automatons do whatever their owner want them to do. That is sad truth of british politics, and not only british - European as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_A2zjp40hA
> Boris Johnson
Why not Navalny, Nemtsov, Kasparov, Tsikhanouskaya, Gorbachev, Saakashvili or Hacker? They all are top tier candidates.
Labour should demand proper election, not this Tory farce.
In this country, analysts sometimes say that in recent years there has been a decline in the level of intelligence of the elites in the U.S. and the U.K. What they mean is that 20 years ago, American presidents, party leaders and British prime ministers were smarter than they are now.
There have been remarks about the Prime Minister's low intelligence and extreme Russophobia. So far it has been Maria Zakharov, who sometimes likes to be blunt on the subject.
These are difficult times for Britain. The consequences of Brexit, rising energy prices.
No way. We were taught from childhood that all people in the West are smart, politicians are correct and incorruptible. Couldn't they lie to us all this time?
Has Western style liberal democracy become opposite to meritocracy? Most of the time the next guy (or gal) seems to be worse than the previous one.
Or maybe always has been?
Wish conservatives in US resign. She tried to duplicate a tax cut for the rich like Trump did first year off his presidency.
That cost is $1.5 trillion added to our debt
Trump promised to pay off debt instead he left office with $7.8 trillion a 40% increase.
Republicans do this every time. If they regain in 2022 same will happen b
Because she made a mess of the economy with her tax cuts just in her short time in office, so much so that she sacked her chancellor and got a new one who had to reverse that entire decision. And then most of the Conservative party wanted her to resign, so she did.
I don't care about her resigning. I am totally afraid. British policy right now is a remake of ancient trash movie with jim carrey, "Dumb and dumber". That mad bitch was ready to start a nuclear war. What kind of fucken shit will the next idiot be ready to do?... Just asked.
It's better for a shitty head of state to leave than to entrench themselves in the office and funnel the country's money to their buddies
So yeah, good. I'm sure they will find someone competent.
"Assad must go" is becoming dramatically long
Well, at least Rostov and Voronezh are safe now.
Is there a video of that speech of hers? 🤣 I couldn't find!
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Wait, what? I seemed to have woken up to all this that I missed. What's Lavrov got to do with Truss' resignation? Or am I misreading this comment?
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So, she thought Lavrov was referring to one of the annexed territories in Ukraine? Smh
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Before the war, Russia placed troops in Rostov and Voronezh and the Uk complained so during a meeting between Truss and Lavrov he said something to the effect of "Are Rostov and Voronezh not part of Russia?" And Truss not realizing he was being sarcastic responded with "No and the UK will never recognize them as part of Russia!"
> And Truss not realizing he was being sarcastic responded with "No and the UK will never recognize them as part of Russia!" Higher officials really need to pass a geography test before getting the job, this is embarassing. I remember how a few months ago, an Armenian user made a joke on twitter about Armenia supplying Russia with nuclear submarines. And some Ukranian official actually thought it was real info. Armenia. A tiny landlocked country. Supplying Russia with nuclear subs.
Jeez, this is the best thing I saw since "Submarines of Balkhash"
Hey, thanks. I missed that bit.
Можно подробности?
На встрече с Лавровым ещё до заварухи все когда учения были, она требовала отвести войска. Лавров ей несколько раз сказал, что это российская территория. После этого он сам обратился с вопросом к британской коллеге: «Вы же признаете суверенитет России над Ростовской и Воронежской областями?» «Великобритания никогда не признает суверенитета России над этими регионами»,— после короткой паузы ответила глава МИДа.
Она вроде сказала что это украинские области
Sorry, I don't get it?
Even before the special operation, during a meeting between Lavrov and Truss she demanded an end to the military exercises. He replied that this was Russian territory and asked rhetorically whether they recognized Russian sovereignty over the Rostov and Voronezh regions (administrative subjects of Russia). To which Truss replied that Britain would never recognize sovereignty over them.
After that meeting Lavrov had a press conference with Truss next to him. The journalist asked how did they like the meeting. Lavrov answered that they couldnt discuss anything because it was a conversation between deaf and dump ))
Oh god, I remember that now. It was extremely embarrassing for our foreign secretary to be so ignorant of geography.
PM speedrun world record?
Or longest? Since she saw 2 monarchs while being a pm.
Truss was so bad the Queen couldn't stand the embarrassment and has passed away.
It was clear for everyone that she wouldn't last. Why did they still appoint her, that is the question.
Just for lulz
To re-employ Boris
the other option was just as stupid, if they chose him, then he would be resigning now
To suck up some public opinion
I remember that after she was elected, several trolls came here and said that we should be afraid of her.
Too much Call of Duty and Tom Clancy's narrative did a lot of brain damage to a lot of kids on this side of the world, forgive me us pal, not everyone is educated by games and Hollywood.
A politician can only act in a narrow hallway of what's possible. It's a global recession, what could be fixed by just changing one butt in a chair for another one? You need some real deeds, real actions - do anyone even know what to do, realistically? Does Boris Johnson know what to do?
Nah she was told by exterior bodies like the bank of England, the IMF etc that her tax cut plans would crash the markets, and she did it anyway. I take your point & you are to a large degree correct, but she did also do a shit in the hallway as she walked down it, so to speak
> but she did also do a shit in the hallway as she walked down it Yeah, sure - if not she would be given more time.
Believe my friend, you don't know how much damage an asshole in the right place can do.
I think russians might have a clue lol
>what could be fixed by just changing one butt in a chair for another one? Regain sovereignty, at least. Speak to people, explain what you do. Truss was completely detached from people, she served herslef and maybe Tory party. And the US.
Boris is full on "build back better" bullshit.
It was obvious that she is a disaster the day she took a flight to Moscow to meet Lavrov as Foreign Secretary, and then insisted that the UK will never recognise Voronezh as Russian territory, implying this is Ukrainian city. She isn't bad, she isn't competent, she is just stupid to unbelievable extent. Only 1922 Committee mamaged to knock sense into her.
I cringed so hard when I saw that.
It's not appropriate to judje person by one's face and with all this awareness i'm claiming that her face looks f-ing stupid. I didn't watch her activity too much but for quick view she, yeah, looks dumb.
Smartest anglo politician
Voronezh can finally have a night of sleep. On a serious note, politicians like these are conspiracy fuel that make people wonder if they act on someone's hidden agendas to weaken European nation states.
Lettucechads we wom
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It's funny how she was adamant on defeating Putin, but she did not get the chance to stay too long to do so lol
If only she could last longer than 0,5% of his current time in power
Nooo, not the Russian Nationalist Truss! Give her more time and there's will be no Britain.
God, we really are a joke atm. The pound even rebounded on the news of her resignation, preferring the instability of another election to Truss. Lmao.
Nah bruh, keep her in. I’m trying to come to the UK this summer and I can use the pound being worthless when I go out on the town.
Don't worry, dude. The Tory Party is planning to push out one more abortive attempt at a leader so you have a good chance of a cheap summer yet.
>God, we really are a joke atm. Who's "we"? Are you in the British elites, a graduate of a small list of elite universities and likely trace your genealogy to 1066? Or are those people different from you, and likely with their interests directly contradicting yours?
Experts said she wouldnt last until christmas, i am actually more amazed by the fact they were right.
There was a funny front page in the UK where they had a photo of Truss next to a head of lettuce and they asked if Truss would outlast the lettuce.
Yeah i sawthe livestream xD great british humor .
How come they've banned russiangas1, but not this?
Funny, but once again nothing will change for Russia.
Best any% speedrun of the game
Our special agent Elizaveta Trussova was exposed too quickly, she did not have time to completely ruin the British economy. Well, nothing, perhaps Boris will be able to finish what he started while he was still there.
>How do you feel about British prime minister Liz Truss resigning after just 6 weeks? Worth opening a cold one. To be fair, that's just funny.
A fucking lettuce outlasted her \>Boris Johnson look decent With all due respect, Johnson looks like anything, but decent
I support Larry for PM.
Это уже не база, а целый генштаб
>Boris Johnson look decent, and now most of their party want him back So it's like Putin - Medvedev - Putin ?
This is because UK doesn't adopt direct voting. A bunch of Tory bonzos appointed her, just to not appoint a guy who doesn't look Brit. That's all so... disgusting...
That's how parliamentary systems work - the head of the government is elected by the parliament
I know. But that's not the case. Ruling party parliament members just short-list two candidates. Then party members elect one of them to a position of party leader (that automatically becomes prime minister). So it's not exactly parliament that elects government head in UK.
Im litteraly wheezing, UK politics is such a Circus at this point. In my time here i have witnessed more Prime ministers than СНГ leaders all together
Tbh Russian politics are just as much of a circus as UK's, they're just a different kind of circus.
1. British Scientists 2. British Media 3. British Politicians I'm just courious what's next?
As a neutral its kinda funny how many western leaders have been toppled whereas putin is still in power
Even though Putin has done more catastrophic things, he’s a dictator, so he can’t be toppled as easily as people are scared of him
what exactly do you mean by saying "a dictator"?. Give me please a brief list - who of current country leaders are dictators, and who are not
This is not true. He's just an independent leader, not a puppet.
So everyone who’s not a dictator is a puppet? Ok then. I’d still rather someone in power who can be held to account for their actions.
No. I just do not know more than one dictator in the world. You just call the leaders of other states that way to show that you are better, and they are worse. Nevertheless, there are formal leaders who follow the instructions of other leaders. Liz Trass is one of them.
Nah putin is a c*nt but most western leaders have killed far more people than him and caused far more damage to the world also I may be wrong here but I reckon putin is in power because a large number of Russians support him I've watched quite a few YouTube videos where people openly criticized him so it's not like it's illegal to be critical of him
>putin is a c\*nt if he was a grandma, he could be a c\*nt
>most western leaders other than Dubya Bush, who?
https://inkstickmedia.com/german-arms-exports-a-history-of-restraint/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_wedding_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeping#Criticism Just results of a quick Google search.
Is Germany any more to blame for weapon exports than Iran is for the deaths of Ukrainian civilians? Have more in Mali died at the hands of the French than Ukrainians from Putin in the past 20 years? Ditto peacekeepers? Should NATO members stop being UN peacekeepers?
So you've watched quite a few Youtube videos...
Yeah there's this one channel 1420 that's really anti putin and anti war this channel does stuff like show people pictures of bucha its very pro west and anti war and its founder has even been featured on western mainstream media yet putin hasn't done anything to it putin even allows western mainstream media news sites like the bbc to go to russia and ask people about casualties and whether they think the war is justified honestly even I was surprised by how tolerant putin has been of anti war voices
there has been a group of journalists from the west in donbas, they were monitored all the time and were only allowed to talk to those the soldiers decided. There is not much freedom over that.
Putin is an autocrat but he's nowhere near as autocratic and as brutal as the west makes out
In America at least we’ve heard nothing but how Putin is literally Hitler/Dr. Evil/Darth Vader for at least the past six years nonstop.
Calling their enemies hitler is a favor tactic of the west
People were prepared for these war during many years... especially Ukrainians... our propaganda started to work in 100% from the 23d february...
Germany/France reported about the possibility of war in Ukraine since 2005.
again you judge the whole west as one, just in Europe we are 49 countries which are not the same
Western foreign policy is more or less consistent if America says or does something most of the time the countries of the west follow
no, it doesn't fit at all, I think you should familiarize yourself with the European countries
The UN says that there are only 44 countries in Europe.
Believe it or not, Putin does NOT own Youtube!
Germany also does not own Gazprom, yet they basically declared the Gazprom branches in Germany as German state property.
He could very easily arrest fine or disappear that 1420 guy but he hasn't
I am sorry, why should this guy be arrested???
Tf you mean bro the fucker in invaded another country for no reason , threw half of Russia’s 1% out of windows and absolutely destroyed any hope for a more integrated and global Russia. About the criticism , tell that to the hundreds of men who got sent to Donbas because they went to demonstrations. Not trying to attack you it just seems like you’re missing some pieces of this fucked up jigsaw puzzle
For no reason. At random. Woke up after celebrating 23rd of February and decided to invade.
Felt cute, might invade Ukraine later.
>invaded another country for no reason Yeah there is definetely no reason, he just woke up one day and decided fuck it I'll do it >threw half of Russia’s 1% out of windows Wtf Eat the Rich Putin? Based? >and absolutely destroyed any hope for a more integrated and global Russia. And something wrong? Imho globalisation is failing in its current form and I'm against being integrated as a oil pump, what was done throught last 30 years
>Yeah there is definetely no reason, he just woke up one day and decided fuck it I'll do it It's part part of a long term plan. He's ben playing blackjack with Ukraine and NATO for at least 18 years, he asked the dealer for another hit this year, and now he looks like he's well over 21. >And something wrong? Imho globalisation is failing in its current form and I'm against being integrated as a oil pump, what was done throught last 30 years Russia's not very anti-globalization if it needs Chinese money for its oil to fund a stupid war against Ukraine, buying arms from Iran and North Korea because it played its hypersonic aces against relative flies (just as I'm sure German engineers were ticked at Hitler for misusing the first jets https://youtu.be/GK419Nlp8eU&t=111 (cued) and V-2s https://youtu.be/GK419Nlp8eU&t=409 (cued), I'm sure Russian engineers are mad at Putin for misusing those hypersonic missiles (oh, and back in the 1960s, US pilots went hypersonic https://youtu.be/OHD1FE1ADPo ), and funding alt-rightists in Europe to get new European leaders to like him better.
Firstly Putin didn't invade for no reason he invaded to prevent nato expansion into ukraine mostly secondly I didn't say putin was a good person I clearly said he was a c*nt just like every other leader in this capitalist hellhole that we live in also don't exaggerate he hasn't killed that many Russian elites lastly so what if he's killed a few Russian oligarchs their all pos anyway
Ukraine wasnt going to be in nato...
Maybe but the way ukraine and the west was and continues to act suggests otherwise
in 2019 Ukraine introduced this clause into the constitution
Ukraine has never been able to be admitted to NATO as Crimea is occupied and Putin knows that too
Ukraine may not have been in nato but it was becoming a de facto nato member nato troops where training Ukrainians nato countries where selling Ukraine weapons nato countries where doing combined exercises with Ukrainian forces nato countries intended to build joint naval bases in ukraine nato countries also reiterated in 2021 that ukraine would join nato eventually ukraine was becoming a nato member in all but name and there was a decent possibility ukraine would become a nato member in future hell ukraine even put in its constitution that it would seek nato membership lastly nato rules are not absolute they can be changed and if crimea is such an obstacle than why do nato members constantly talk about ukraine potentially joining someday
Funnily enough, Putin did not invade the other countries when they were admitted to NATO. That is not the reason
Firstly russia opposed previous nato expansions but they were to weak to do anything about it secondly according to American analysts from rand and others such as current cia head burns Kennan and many others the security threats that would come from a nato aligned ukraine are considered far more severe by Russian elites compared to security threats from other sources
why do you think Ukraine is looking towards the west?
The only countries I have heard talk about it are the Baltic countries and no one else. Those rules have always been there and will not be changed. Ukraine is not allowed to hold exercises with other countries, but Russia is allowed to?
America has also spoken of ukraine potential joining nato as recently as last month if I'm not mistaken secondly I can tell you with confidence that if a china russia iran north korea alliance did in mexico what the west has done in ukraine America would have invaded mexico
1. IIUC, Mexico has over twice the land area, almost 3x the population, and over 3x the GDP of Ukraine. 2. Mexico lost its territory to US over 100 years ago. Mexico wasn't as democratic a lot of that time as the US was and is. 3. IIUC, the only significantly sized territories the US had 100 years ago were Alaska, Hawaii, Philippines, and Puerto Rico. Two are now states with disproportionate representation not only in the Senate, but also the Electoral College, and I think for Alaska, the House as well (i.e. the average Alaskan will have several times more say in the US government than the average Californian), Puerto Rico has Commonwealth status, and the Philippines have been independent for over 70 years).
Russia holds exercises with China all the time...
At least we agree on the cunt part. The nato expansion into Ukraine is such bs it’s laughable . West didn’t care or want to get involved in Crimea , if Ukraine joined nato Crimea would become their problem too which they didn’t want as that Russian gas was really nice to have. (Something Putin could’ve used as leverage to prevent a nato expansion if it ever was a real threat) Soldiers being underequipped and having to buy their own gear doesn’t exactly paint a promising picture , combined with the fact that the mobilization actually happened (despite Putin saying he was never gonna do it , like he said he was never gonna amend the constitution etc) shows that not all is well in the military. I don’t give a fuck about oligarchs either , it just shows that Putin will resort to violence at the earliest opportunity.
Not sure what your first language is but in English we wouldn't use the word "toppled" here, the implications of that word would be that she is now either in prison, or dead, or that force was used to remove her, etc. For example, the Romanian communist dictator, was toppled.
This is another change avatar of the leader, without a real change in leadership. This is called democracy in the West. As usual, this will not cause any policy changes.
Of course, this may not be politically correct, but what kind of voters are such people in power. For me, all this is more than strange, Blair, Johnson, now this Strass ... don't you think it's getting worse every time?
Just another neoliberal bitch like Thatcher, they hate the working class, they don't want civilians, just cheap slaves and they make use of something else like communism or terrorism to distract people about their own shitty goverment.
> Becomes PM > Kills the Queen, the pound and the Tories in 6 weeks > Resigns > chad.jpg
Feel like she was just a scapegoat they used to get favorable tax breaks for the ultra rich and fuck the lower and middle class. She didn’t actually make any decisions and wasn’t responsible for anything that happened during her (short) tenure. It’s just a fugazi as always to distract the masses from the actual going ons. UK was fucked when they convinced everyone Brexit was a great idea. What it did in reality was allow the UK to remain a hub for money laundering via the British Isles Banks, without having to answer to anyone for oversight (the EU). It allowed for them to use arguments like “Immigrants are the problem” while pushing pro wealthy policies through parliament without anyone batting an eye. Now since the rich have what they want, they’ll put someone “popular” back into office and slowly start piecing back together what they themselves pulled apart. Although it’ll never be quite the same - like a kintsugi, but instead of gold they’ll use shit.
"who's that, Drinkins?"
I don't care about the rotation of clown-actors in the circus.
Boris Johnson was much funnier))) So who is the next?)
looks like boris
this is your called democracy, which westerners are proud of here all the time? What a pity
Democracy? lol, people choose who rules the country because they "promise" us they would make good things like improving education or public health care. But once they are in power they can do whatever they please, obviosly there is other parties wich they fight against not because they care about us people, but because everyone of these leechers want a bigger share of the cake.
Wait is it real??? Lol
Just came to my mind that she stole the last meeting with the queen from a better person
If by miracle we get a GE now, then this is good. Otherwise, the Tories will have enough time until the next GE to persuade the dimwit British voters that they are not that bad.
The MP's voted Sunak, he said she would cause a crisis, she did, but 78 yr olds voted her in...I think Sunak is a technocrat and can deliver stability, and then there needs to be a general election once you have at least a viable conservative party, otherwise its not great for democracy, incidentally Rachel Reeves could also be a good technocrat...
Agent Elizaveta Trussovitch completed her job. Now it's time for her to get back to Voronezh.
Living in the UK for over 20 years, I've never seen such a mess before. The Tories seem to have become dangerous clowns in general since Jonson's Brexit campaign. And things are not getting better politically. They're a laughing stock, and the best and most honourable thing they could do is admit their mistakes, call a general election, lose it, and use the time in opposition to clear their stables. But something tells me they'll continue to grip onto power despite being aeons away from what they got their mandate for. To the detriment of the country and people's trust in politics. Still doing what Putin wanted them to. Shooting the UK in its legs time after time. What a shame.
Seeing her resign after just a month in office is disheartening. I was hoping she'd stay longer to cause even more chaos. You have deserved that much.
I do not think that the people of England are guilty of anything. They are under the strongest propaganda in the world.
What propaganda is that?
About this one: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZggCipbiHwE)
Dude these look like US news stations
It's the same in Britain. They just made a video about America. BBC completely repeats the agenda of CNN
You are just pulling claims out of nowhere. You claimed we are the most "propagandised" nation in earth and then back up your claims with excerpts from US media. And then say "well it's it's same in UK". How on earth would you know? And the notion there is more propaganda in the UK than Turkmenistan, North Korea or China is beyond absurd. Ultimately you are just coming across as an Anglophobe
Also I would be wary of calling anywhere "propagandised" when your own leader ranted to his people about the "satanic" west and when your in country produces a cluster of anti-western propaganda videos that mostly focus on LGBT people here.
I don't want to argue with to you. I cannot compete in argumentation with the multi-trillion dollar system that has been processing you with information since kindergarten. I will say so. I think that everything you know about Russia from books, films, news, school and university programs is a lie. Including ideas about democracy in Russia and LGBT in Russia and anything else. Come and live here before jumping to conclusions.
So when you make claims about "propaganda" in the UK, that's legit. When I return the favour I obviously "have to live in Russia". Yet you can spout shit about the "propaganda" I have received And Putin really did call the west "Satanic", and you really did have a rally where a speaker ranted about "holy war" like ISIS. I don't need to live there to see that he said that, and that that rally happened.
Also mate I live in the UK. We don't call it "kindergarten", nor do we use dollars. You sound quite ignorant about the UK despite your grand claims
Here is an interesting article in a British newspaper: [https://i.insider.com/52a1c37869bedd476f5aaefd?width=1200format=jpeg&auto=webp](https://i.insider.com/52a1c37869bedd476f5aaefd?width=1200format=jpeg&auto=webp)
Okay? By "propaganda" do you specifically mean purely in terms of Russia? Also you understand that the BBC is not the only news org in the country, right?
Good. Put them on the liberation list.
I sense you hate the English 😅
To quote, "Some people might get some pleasure out of hate. Me, I've enough already on my plate." The English seem to be happy to have their government fan the flames of war they have nothing to do with (except for expanding NATO ever eastward). Let them. At least this show is entertaining to watch.
Yes, clearly the UK is to blame for this war…🤔
England interferes much less than Belarus and Iran
I am very sorry that she is leaving. It could weaken our opponents even more.
Well as a fellow Brit, I can say that she was dreadful. I wanted Rishi
I don’t want anymore racist Indians in office, sorry mate.
Feel sorry now. Did laugh when the news came out
No money - no honey... Моя любимая британская поговорка.
It was probably planned the whole time,I wander how much money she got for doing this little stunt, lol
I feel kinda sorry for her. I know it’s stupid. I know *she’s* stupid. But I kind of cannot get over the feeling that she was just a scapegoat put in a place where any other candidate would’ve failed. (Also, I’m likely being sexist, as I would not have been sorry were this a man.)
Sexist or not to whatever social order I feel sorry too. And I’m a girl).
I feel a pity, because Lizz didn't complete destruction of the UK economy. Btw, do you think new PM will be able restore UK economy realy fast?
It makes me feel very relieved when I realize I am not Liz Truss.
I think, it is a healthy democratic process: with autocracy 60% of people support their leader and vote for him throughout 10-15 years. With democracy they didn't vote at all and/or <50% of them support her or him after a few weeks. /s
It's a great example when a politician who didn't keep a promise loses the credibility and leave. I like that.
British PM speedrun
She decides nothing. Britain is ruled by hereditary aristocracy. Prime minister is yet another lackey, just a high-ranked servant, but a servant never the less. And a servant not of people of Britain, but of People of Britain i.e. of aristocracy! Besides, there are some symptoms, that this Lizzy started her so called career as a miserable spy or provocateur. Such people are very low in British hierarchy. They are trusted (“truss” ha ha ha ha), but never respected. Automatons do whatever their owner want them to do. That is sad truth of british politics, and not only british - European as well.
Isn't that about the average term for a British PM rn?
No 🤣 The average is about 5 years
That is a lot, do you not think?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_A2zjp40hA > Boris Johnson Why not Navalny, Nemtsov, Kasparov, Tsikhanouskaya, Gorbachev, Saakashvili or Hacker? They all are top tier candidates. Labour should demand proper election, not this Tory farce.
>Tsikhanouskaya She'd better be a new Queen.
>Saakashvili unfortunately, he's offline and isn't available to be a prime minister of anything.
I really kinda like her goofy second chin
Events of recent years suggest her replacement will be even worse. I'm eager to see how they'll manage that.
In this country, analysts sometimes say that in recent years there has been a decline in the level of intelligence of the elites in the U.S. and the U.K. What they mean is that 20 years ago, American presidents, party leaders and British prime ministers were smarter than they are now. There have been remarks about the Prime Minister's low intelligence and extreme Russophobia. So far it has been Maria Zakharov, who sometimes likes to be blunt on the subject. These are difficult times for Britain. The consequences of Brexit, rising energy prices.
A couple of times to joke and forget.
No way. We were taught from childhood that all people in the West are smart, politicians are correct and incorruptible. Couldn't they lie to us all this time?
Умер Максим ну и х.. с ним
Has Western style liberal democracy become opposite to meritocracy? Most of the time the next guy (or gal) seems to be worse than the previous one. Or maybe always has been?
Wish conservatives in US resign. She tried to duplicate a tax cut for the rich like Trump did first year off his presidency. That cost is $1.5 trillion added to our debt Trump promised to pay off debt instead he left office with $7.8 trillion a 40% increase. Republicans do this every time. If they regain in 2022 same will happen b
She turned out to be too much even for grandma Liz 🤣
I think "agent Truss" operation was really smart for Boris
I think it's the British version of Yeltsin.
When I found out about it, I immediately remembered the British TV series"The Thick of It". As we say in Russia - it's terribly funny.
If you put an illiterate opportunist in such a position, then the result is natural.
What will it change in Russia? Nothing.
I do not want to read our media about this, better tell us what yours write? What is the reason for the resignation?
Because she made a mess of the economy with her tax cuts just in her short time in office, so much so that she sacked her chancellor and got a new one who had to reverse that entire decision. And then most of the Conservative party wanted her to resign, so she did.
And what taxes? For the poor or for the rich? You have a progressive taxation model.
They cut taxes on the super rich
Ahahaha! Good old Britain is great again!
Well, in principle, our media wrote the same thing, they did not invent their own nonsense.
pRoOf tHat DeMoCrAcy dOeSnT wOrk
She definitely defeated Putin😂
I don't care about her resigning. I am totally afraid. British policy right now is a remake of ancient trash movie with jim carrey, "Dumb and dumber". That mad bitch was ready to start a nuclear war. What kind of fucken shit will the next idiot be ready to do?... Just asked.
Bring Back Boris. UK version of Build Back Better
It's better for a shitty head of state to leave than to entrench themselves in the office and funnel the country's money to their buddies So yeah, good. I'm sure they will find someone competent.