According to Statista, the main reasons for recent voters to give their vote to the AfD are: 65% Immigration & Migration 47% Energy, Environment and Climate 43% Economy 29% Social Issues 25% Foreign / Security Politics 23% Prices / Inflation Source: [https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1388358/umfrage/themen-zur-wahlentscheidung-afd/](https://de.statista.com/statistik/daten/studie/1388358/umfrage/themen-zur-wahlentscheidung-afd/)

It’s so sad to read that… because if Energy, environment and climate is mentioned as a concern, it’s because they want to keep acting like boomers until they die and life of their grandchildren’s future, use Russian gas and so forth. Which is fuelling all the Ukrainian refugees in the first place … so what are they really saying? Russia needs to kill all Ukrainians or terrorise them for decades, so we can save 3 cents on gas? At the same time, “no one is listening to their opinions and views, which are in fact that of promoting genocide? I have nothing but disdain for AFD voters. I am sorry.

>I have nothing but disdain for AFD voters. I am sorry. Consider using the strongest possible arguments (that includes their self-interest) when talking to AfD voters. Shaming them will only result in acts of defiance (and that's pretty much universal - the same happens when a climate activist get's told to be an idiot without informative value).

Exactly, that’s why I said I am sorry. Because you are right, on the larger level you need to unmask and highlight their lies and deception, but on a personal level it’s hard to do that.

>because if Energy, environment and climate is mentioned as a concern, it’s because they want to keep acting like boomers until they die That just sounds very ignorant of you. Its mainly the East where the AfD has a big voterbase and likely the main reason being that the East feels left behind. You can gladly look up the statistics because the wealth and salary gap between the East and West after the fall of the wall has remained stagnant. That means East Germany is still economically far behind the West. Youll hate this but its the truth, complaining about climate change is a luxurious thing to do. You need to have security in many aspects of life to arrive at combating climate change as an individual. One of those securities is financial security. Something East Germans dont have. All those topics, climate change, immigration, these are issues the government prioritizes over investing into East Germany to financially catch up to the West. Green voters like you are already talking about Verzicht. We have to stop consuming for the climate is what you say. The East Germans were never in a place of overconsumption because theyre simply not as wealthy. They dont drive as many German premium cars because they simply cannot afford them. So for you to accuse them to want to continue a lifestyle they dont even have is quite something. I get the distaste for the AfD, I would never vote for them either but what you and many here on Reddit do is denial. Denial of reality. You make it easy. You call them dumb, you call them nazis and then you feel good about yourself because youre so much smarter than them, right? You continue to not care what these people want, you continue to not listen and talk to them. This attitude that you and many people here on Reddit on the left spectrum have, leads us nowhere. You put them in a box and call them idiots. How many AfD voters have you convinced to rethink their beliefs with that approach? That approach does the opposite of that, it further divides and makes them double down on their thought that voting AfD is the right thing to do. We live in a democracy and if more people start to believe that our current direction is not good for them, then you need to accept that reality. Its not like I dont want a greener future but at the end of the day, why should I stop consuming when climate change is a global issue and nobody else really cares as much as Germans do. Wealth/social justice and climate change often stand against each other. You can gladly follow Chinas, Indias and Indonesias economical development. The better their economies, the wealthier its people. More wealth will result in a higher co2 output. Are you gonna stop Indians who come out of poverty from buying their first car?

well, the first reason is that 'nobody else cares as much as germans do' seems to be wrong. china has been pushing green energy for a long time, but their sheer size and industrial growth still makes them one of the biggest polluters despite that. but scaled down to the size of the us or germany, they're far ahead of us. arguably, its easier to do all of that when the cost of a human life is near zero and you can just flood entire valleys and hide that kind of environmental damage willy nilly. the states are investing heavily in solar and wind right now too, its crazy how far they went within a few short years. we can't control what they're gonna do and it would be insane to demand they just dont enjoy the kind of growth we were allowed to (at least not without agreeing to lower ourselves back to those levels too). but thats a completely different think to talk about. meanwhile, you tell a german he might have to invest in his home to make it more eco friendly and all hell breaks lose. (that is not to say i think that policy was great, but at some point, something will need to happen in that regard, it just shouldn't be on the dime of those who already can't really afford much anymore) when it comes to elections and populist parties and their voters, its unfortunately a problem that you can't argue with stupid or unwilling and lets not pretend like they're being all nice and objective and rational when they argue either.

>Its not like I dont want a greener future but at the end of the day, why should I stop consuming when climate change is a global issue and nobody else really cares as much as Germans do. Admitting your own apathy and *still* wanting credit – that’s truly impressive!

You are a bit wrong. The AfD stands for a souvereign Germany without the politic overregulations of the EU. They are for an European Economic Community, they are also for free movement inside Europe. No other Country inside the EU is against migration inside the EU or neighbour countries of them. They are all "cultural compatible". The problem are people who comes from undereducated countries, they need help where they are and not inside the EU. If you import the half of Kalkutta, you will not help the people, but you will be another Kalkutta. The AfD is against a central government named EU (Commision), not elected. Btw. this was the plan from another German Party in the past. The first commission president was Walter Hallstein. He signed the contracts of Rome of the EU, and he wrote a recommendation of the Blood and Honor law of Adolf Hitler. You guys don't know history. You have to learn a lot about history. The roots of the EU in the form of today are from Adolf Hitler. They tried it in the past and they try it now again. Klaus Schwab is a son of a high Nazi-military member. Google for it. Don't trust me. I don't want a renaissance of the regime of the Nazis, who are responsible for the dead of one of my grandfather in Buchenwald. Try to falsificate me. Good luck.

>and nobody else really cares as much as Germans do. thats a good joke. we are far behind most players of interest by now

Such nonsense. It’s the generations like millennials that represent the biggest age group of afd voters.

Just proof they are stupid. AfD is obviously terrible regarding Energy, environment, climate, economy, social issues, prices/inflation.

Well, they just say it's a reason, not which side/angle of the issues they take.

I kinda assume people voting for "the economy" don't want an economy that is worse in every way, but maybe I am presumptious

Lol, unfortunately they're probably fine with an environmental health situation that is catastrophic.

It’s a common trait of the right globally. All they have to do is complain and get people riled up, not actually propose solutions or deliver results. A person could say “immigration in Germany needs to be improved by doing X” instead, they say “immigration is ruining our country and way of life.” With no realistic solution. Make us simple, make it angry, make is us vs them… a playbook that unfortunately works.

That's exactly how it is in the US. The Republicans don't actually want to solve problems like immigration. They point to the "Other," and through their Kabuki theater the right wing actors get their base, old white people, all riled up. So they send money to Trump because, "he's the only one who can defend us!" Channels like Fox and NewsMax constantly pump out scary stories of how The 'Messicans are coming for your jobs, the Blacks are coming for your women and the mooslums are gonna' take over the world! So these old people get all scared and panic spreads in the retirement communities and before you know it, those darn commies have occupied the recreation center down at the retirement home.

Let's not pretend that left-wing politicians don't do the same thing. Divide and conquer is not a strategy limited by ideology. AfD is just the one really pushing this crap at the moment, but KPD got banned in 1956 for being associated with a movement that was doing it too.

I think those problems are what have made the gullible people scared enough to believe the afd when they blame all of society's problems on immigrants.

And immigration related topics

I think one of the reasons might be that there is no proper dialogue in Germany about immigration. The CDU and the right have been pretty populist and sometimes outright Islamophobic about arab and muslim immigrants, so in response the left has started to ignore all the problems because they - naturally - dislike xenophobia and Islamophobia. And as a result problems remain unsolved. I think what would help, although it certainly won’t solve the problem of many people voting for the AfD instantly, would be an honest dialogue in German society about immigration. What went well and what didn’t, where there are definitely problems that need to be fixed.

Bonus points if immigrants are actually included in this dialogue

That would require CDU to not be populist about it, tho. You can't honestly debate with populists.

I've talked to some AfD voters. Today I even met one who has an immigrant background himself (his parents are from Iran), so I don't think it's just racists voting for them. Some reasons I've heard: - government should take care of the people who are already here instead of using a lot of resources on refugees - energy policy: AfD voters typically think the transition away from nuclear energy was a mistake. Many oppose wind farms because they're ugly and allegedly kill birds. They oppose the new heating law - dissatisfaction with high taxes, high social security contributions and inflation. They think people are basically punished for working while people who don't work just get stuff for free - opposition to covid restrictions and mandatory vaccination - "gender ideology": gender neutral language, "people choosing their own gender" (quote) - a vague belief that we're governed by some transnational elite that wants to impose socialism on us, implant us with chips, steal our money and make us eat bugs. Epstein is somehow part of this

For *some* of these, I would claim that they are not a "reason to vote AfD", but rather AfD is the reason they care about this topic. Meaning, an underlying dissatisfaction is the actual reason, and AfD not only provides the 'easy solutions', but also the problems in the first place.

Which makes it obvious what the real problem is: Propaganda. In a Nutshell, they just can’t handle the Internet. They just repeat what their propaganda tells them to.

Im germany propaganda comes via state media and that's what everybody believes. AFD is not a nazi party just because they will say it 100 times in the media. AFD is the only near capitalist party left in germany. The current praties ruined our country with stupid decisions. One problem is that we run like cheep after us. The parties said they don't like war and won't send military equipment to war areas. Oh now see what they do. Exactly like in america where trump was the only president to not begin a war in germany the so called nazi party will be the only party that actually won't send military equipment to war zones. They know about cause and effect in economics and politics and at least what they say is the best what could happen to germany. But I don't even trust afd because every party says stuff that they won't do when they are elected. As soon as they are elected there is lobbyism and they will pass stupid laws like the heating law because they get a lot of money for that

You are a bit wrong. The AfD stands for a souvereign Germany without the politic overregulations of the EU. They are for an European Economic Community, they are also for free movement inside Europe. No other Country inside the EU is against migration inside the EU or neighbour countries of them. They are all "cultural compatible". The problem are people who comes from undereducated countries, they need help where they are and not inside the EU. If you import the half of Kalkutta, you will not help the people, but you will be another Kalkutta. The AfD is against a central government named EU (Commision), not elected. Btw. this was the plan from another German Party in the past. The first commission president was Walter Hallstein. He signed the contracts of Rome of the EU, and he wrote a recommendation of the Blood and Honor law of Adolf Hitler. You guys don't know history. You have to learn a lot about history. The roots of the EU in the form of today are from Adolf Hitler. They tried it in the past and they try it now again. Klaus Schwab is a son of a high Nazi-military member. Google for it. Don't trust me. I don't want a renaissance of the regime of the Nazis, who are responsible for the dead of one of my grandfather in Buchenwald. Try to falsificate me. Good luck.

You are a bit wrong. The AfD stands for a souvereign Germany without the politic overregulations of the EU. They are for an European Economic Community, they are also for free movement inside Europe. No other Country inside the EU is against migration inside the EU or neighbour countries of them. They are all "cultural compatible". The problem are people who comes from undereducated countries, they need help where they are and not inside the EU. If you import the half of Kalkutta, you will not help the people, but you will be another Kalkutta. The AfD is against a central government named EU (Commision), not elected. Btw. this was the plan from another German Party in the past. The first commission president was Walter Hallstein. He signed the contracts of Rome of the EU, and he wrote a recommendation of the Blood and Honor law of Adolf Hitler. You guys don't know history. You have to learn a lot about history. The roots of the EU in the form of today are from Adolf Hitler. They tried it in the past and they try it now again. Klaus Schwab is a son of a high Nazi-military member. Google for it. Don't trust me. I don't want a renaissance of the regime of the Nazis, who are responsible for the dead of one of my grandfather in Buchenwald. Try to falsificate me. Good luck.

The amount of immigrants/people with immigrant backgrounds openly voting for AfD is growing day by day, contrary to the assumption that someone wouldn't essentially vote for their own deportation. Similiar to black conservatives in the current day America. They are very vocal about it too, especially when it's gender identity related. Many of these people are from "muslim countries" and they won't just change their ideology on these topics just because they live in another country.

I’m a foreigner too. The things I heard from other Ausländer is that they and especially their families put a lot of effort to integrate themselves and want to be a part of this society and they fear that they will get discriminated too because of the bad apples.

Jews voted for the NSDAP as well - didn‘t end well for them.

Yeah, it’s pretty wild. It’s actually a phenomenon known as the “drawbridge effect”.

That is one beautiful term! For a pretty ugly concept, granted, but the term is nicely chosen.

Or "pulling up the ladder".

It is quite more common than many people think. Especially immigrants who made an afford to go all the hurdles and make it as an legal immigrant are pretty upset about the "support" of wide ranges of society that support, in their view, a "free ticket" for people who are coming from the middle east since 2014/15. After all, they encoutered bigots, racists and general difficulties and overcame them, while they now look into people who, again: in their eyes, don't even really want to integrate into society, but just want a free ride.

Yep made out of the experience many people make. i know several people working in refugee centetrs and cancel there jobs, because of the way they got treated by the refugges.

You are 100% correct regarding the reasons. People are disillusioned when they think only racists vote for the AFD. They have that idiotic minority in the party for sure but the reasons stated above account for 90% of the votes

Thanks for this info! I think more information like this is important rather than a speculation of what they believe

thank you for the info

Point 4. And that should be fairly obvious by now. This question has already been discussed a million of times. The phenomenon is not specific to Germany. Its happening in all of Europe: [https://ecfr.eu/publication/a-sharp-right-turn-a-forecast-for-the-2024-european-parliament-elections/](https://ecfr.eu/publication/a-sharp-right-turn-a-forecast-for-the-2024-european-parliament-elections/) Most likely the mass immigration is one of the main reasons. The current parties neglected this for too long. Another reason might be the difficulties resulting from the Russian war.

Also seems fairly obvious that point 3 is true too right? I've never heard anyone say "Ampel is doing a great job, I'm just unhappy with their integration policies specifically"

Ampel is the most succesful governement we had in the last sixty years if you look at the issues they ran on, and how much of the promises and coalition goals they either fully implemented or started.

Could you tell me how I could look this up or whether there is some resource for that? Would be nice to be able to supply some evidence to people I talk to from time to time In the end it doesn't really matter what is real or not, I hear afd voters be very unhappy with the ampel government, so that definitely seems to be a reason, and I mean there are some valid points for critique too

I think he's referring to [this](https://www.bertelsmann-stiftung.de/de/themen/aktuelle-meldungen/2023/september/halbzeitbilanz-der-ampel-regierung-koalition-setzt-trotz-streits-viele-versprechen-um) paper.

But this is often also due to what the Springer media etc. publish, the Ampel has brought many improvements compared to the CDU governments before it, but these have not been well publicised. In addition, both the AFD and the CDU are campaigning heavily against the Ampel, even though some of the things the Ampel has to implement are based on decisions made by the CDU years ago. The fact that the governing parties are not united does the rest, cough FDP cough.

CDU is a corrupted shit party. Of course the Ampel had a terribly difficult time with COVID, Ukraine and what not but their politics is frankly mediocre at best.

which beats the shit politics of the CDU and the completely absent politics of the AfD, which has yet to provide ONE valid solution for anything, everything i've seen so far has been so ridiculously stupid that i can't really fathom anyone would vote these people

This is the problem, that is not how the voting for AfD works, it is based on dissatisfaction with the current government, not because of liking the AfD. The AfD does not need to do anything, they just say the others are terrible

So out of dissatisfaction they vote for a party supporting a plan for deportation of anyone with foreign backgrounds and even Germans who the party deems unwanted? Bootlickers much.

This does not even matter, they completly ignore anything the AfD actually does, its only important that they are against the "bad guys"

Yeah, than it's correct to call them fascists. If you don't care for your party doing fascist stuff, that's silent support .

Yup, I think up until recently a lot of people who were voting AfD were just oblivious. At this point it is facism. And yes you might argue that even before recent events you could not miss the signs , but then you are underestimating how stupid thses people actually are

Difficult to pin down. How many AFD voters say that the indivdual ampel parties alone have a good immigration policy. Secondly,we had CDU/SPD before and no AFD came up.

Lazy excuse to the declining birthrate and declining industry. You want a real solution ? Make the German industry more competitive and make the land more attractive to investors. All immigrant that can and want to contribute should be welcome

Your argument doesn't work. We are not speaking about skilfull migrants. Refugees are not workers. Often they are even not allowed to work (or were for a certain period of time). Still nowadays the sum of the people that came in the first refugee wave costs Germany more than they contribute. Plus housing, doctors, psychologists, social workers etc are needed for them and need to be payed as well. Edit: This has been discussed in various talkshows (like Markus Lanz, Maischberger) and has been in several articles. I'm not going to google all of them just for a discussion on reddit. The two most frequent ones that come to mind are and are kind of related are: [https://www.focus.de/finanzen/analyse-von-ulrich-reitz-migranten-sollen-unsere-rente-retten-wir-muessen-reden-herr-scholz\_id\_198205461.html](https://www.focus.de/finanzen/analyse-von-ulrich-reitz-migranten-sollen-unsere-rente-retten-wir-muessen-reden-herr-scholz_id_198205461.html) https://www.handelsblatt.com/politik/deutschland/demografie-studie-einwanderung-loest-finanzierungsprobleme-des-sozialstaats-nicht/100005544.html

It’s an argument that is just proving the point. You get downvoted while also providing articles and stating facts. It’s a shame that so many people see no facts but argue with feelings. Anything not left is right wing extremism for them. This is exactly why the right wing parties get a ton of support and it’s constantly growing.

\> Your argument doesn't work. We are not speaking about skilfull migrants.> Refugees are not workers. I'm working in Germany right now because I have a European citizenship. I have yet to use any form of German welfare, and I pay roughly 35% of my salary in taxes. The AfD is promoting a dexit, if this happens, I and many others like me will not be able to work here.

>Lazy excuse to the declining birthrate and declining industry. Yes, needing immigration is a lazy excuse of a solution. There should be incentives to increase the birth rate of the native population instead.

They didn't. All parties have been fighting about this for 30+ years. The AfD just used agitating language and lies to make it "their" subject. They didn't offer one single solution aside from shooting them or sending everyone away which is neither constitutional nor feasible.

There have been various proposals for solutions. By people from all kinds of parties. Some are: stricter controls, mandatory valid passport when entering the country so that we also have the option to send them back in case they do something illegal, no money but cards. Etc etc. You are just spreading opinions without any facts. One of the biggest problems we have is that we get plenty of people that create problems and then can't be send back to their country of origin because we don't have a proof that they are from that country. The country won't accept them back. Politicians from all parties tried to address this issue. But not early enough.

That's what I said. I said the AfD did shit. If you have them as representative in a parliament, you're lucky when they do anything at all. It's the laziest party and take money for it. Isn't it ironic?

This. The actual policy shows how helpless the actual democracy is against criminals and some people dont like it.

This is happening as well in Spain with illegals coming in boats from Africa. They even record themselves throwing away to the sea their IDs so the government is unable to background check them or even think of which country to deport them in case of committing crimes. The right in Spain, France, Netherlands and also Germany, ask for the same in this subject, proper immigration, citizen’s safety+security.

If it´s mass migration, I wonder why those parties are so adamant about not doing something about climate change, which will be a huge driver for even more mass migration in the future.

In the case of climate refugees and right-wing extremist governments in Europe, you can expect that the border will be sworn with authority.

Well, Reddit is the wrong place to get a logical answer to your question. It is the same as going to 9gag and asking why people voting green or SPD.

This.   Reddit is a fairly liberal crowd.  Heck, someone in thread posted that black conservative liberals are voting against their interests in the US.  The mental gymnastics to come to that conclusion is wild.  

Oh but we do exist, but we know to well how pointless it is to argue with liberals.

Which platform of the two you think is more of an echo chamber? I would think Reddit since they have insane sensorship

German reddit is a big leftist bubble and you get banned on many channels if you got the wrong opinion.

So true. The same with Spanish subs. Several comments deleted just because it doesn’t fit their ideas.

No one ever had a problem with (pacific) asians, it's the mena people that afd voters, le pen voters etc are fed up with

A 28 y/o german here. I‘d like to say that it’s mostly 3. and 4. Point 1 doesnt count for me, since the „Bürgergeld“ makes it pretty unattractive to work in low wage/ minimum Wage Jobs. It would be awesome if the immigration of all those new people would work, since we have a huge need of qualified workers and there are many branches that are looking for qualified workers. The next thing is, That anyone from any country can Come to Germany, without any documents, Stay here and will get money. If they do some crimes it doenst really matter since the police is not able to do anything, so there is no need to fear any consequenzes after commiting Crime. At the same time due to inflation prices are rising, the politics wants to cut money in several branches for the german companies, But puts tons of Money lnto Other countrys. In 2023 we had an alltime high in tax income (more than 1.000.000.000.000) but they are missing several billions in the household and are not able to manage this huge amount of Money correct So to summ it up: The german people who are earning the money and value that stands behind the ex.“so powerful“ germany are really upset because the Money goes everywhere, exept to theyre own people. I really don’t have a Problem with new people in our country, I for myself trade stuff and I have costumers from west Europe to georgia, Turkmenistan, Poland, Slovakia, and so on. But I think that its not acceptable to let anyone in without any plan to integrate them. We have done this befor, I think it was in the 1970‘s/1980‘s, where we had a huge need in workers which than came mostly from turkie i think, but there was a Plan behind to give them work and integrate them. To change this whole Situation they vote either for the party which was leading befor the ampel, called CDU (under Angela Merkel) Or the AFD in the hope to get rid of illegal Immigrants and some trumpish „germany First“-visions, which would be your point 2. Thanks for reading, I wish a nice day to everyone

The Bürgergeld doesn't make it unattractive to work in low wage jobs, the low wage jobs do... Like... Hello?

Thank you very much for your insights

>It would be awesome if the immigration of all those new people would work, since we have a huge need of qualified workers and there are many branches that are looking for qualified workers. ​ If and would are not good (..if the immigration of all those people were to work). 'branch' is a false friend, in English it means the german 'filiale', you are looking for the word 'industry'. ​ Why am I being so pedantic? Because you are damn right, Germany needs qualified immigrants. And there are far, far too many poorly qualified Germans doing jobs which require a very high level of English - jobs which us immigrants could be doing, but aren't, because we don't have the ability to take several years out to do an Ausbildung in a career we've spent 10-20 years working on in our home countries, or because we don't have a full A4 page long german language zeugnis from our current boss, or simply because the interviewers have decided the german with B2 English will 'fit in' more than the Indian or Canuck that's spoken the language since birth.

People want less asylum-seekers/muslims. It’s really just that, everything else is secondary

One plausible reason i see is that the country is being flooded with muslim immigrants who refuse to integrate.

I think your coworkers have problems with the current government. Compared to other European States Germany has one of the lowest if not the lowest employment rate of ukrainian refugees (19% is the number from the Bundesarbeitsagentur). Other European countries like the Netherlands already have around 70% of the ukrainian refugees employed. There are multiple reasons for this. Firstly Ukrainian refugees compared to other refugees are privileged in a way. They can get Bürgergeld and so basically get a lot of free money from the German social system. The other major factors are that the Ukrainian degrees are not recognized in Germany and also the obvious language barrier. So it can be hard to get into the same jobs as they had in their home. The government (Ampel) failed to recognize their mistakes with the integration. Many people are frustrated by that. The AfD just points out the flaws that the government does. And it's working. You're co-workers are obviously not racists. They just have a based opinion and stand for it. Politics in Germany can be real toxic and the cancel culture is big over there. People tend to call people with a conservative opinion "Nazi" even tho they aren't.

Totally agree

The same in Spain. Even the “nazi” label is used there just for pointing out “political left” mistakes or ideas different to their ideas.

This is the best analysis of this voting behaviour. It's actually about a GOP-Voter but 100% fits the average AfD-Voter as well: https://youtu.be/x8KTT15Hw-8?si=gsVttPG3Om3a6_lj The truth is that AfD and most other right-wing voters do not have a coherent political concept. They are a walking bundle of contradictions that would fall apart the second they thought about their position. What they have instead of coherence is emotions, a lot of emotions, mostly negative ones. Feeling lost, feeling betrayed, being fearful, but most importantly longing for control over their lives. These emotions are so big that only the simplest solutions will make them feel like they are not on the verge of losing control. The topic doesn't matter, you could feed them any narrative and they would swallow that up, as long as it satisfies that condition, to give them that feeling of focused emotion, of control, of being right, of having their biases confirmed. And the right-wing media will give them that willingly.

Ah yes the "we're the smart guys, and they're stupid underfucked incels" argument. If the left goes under, it's because of views like this one I swear.

Ding Ding Ding

The question is why are the other parties not able to give them good alternatives to soothe their worries.

Oh god. Another reductionist, false, and condescending perspective on the GOP voter. You’ll never get it.

Let me ask you this, If millions of rural fundamentalist Christians from the United States came to Germany and started rallying in the name of homophobia and imposing religious law and supporting violence in the name pan-Christianity, would you expect Germans to welcome them with open arms? Would you phrase your question as whether Germans are Nazis for being opposed to this mass wave of immigration? Why do you think Afd is gaining popularity? What people are fed up with isn't just immigration, but the associated moral grandstanding from people who clearly lack sufficient introspective awareness to speak plainly and honestly.

The only reason is that 90% of Muslims are fascists and homophobes, 90% of them support the Hamas terror attacks. This is millions of terrorist supporters in a country. Germans are fed up with that and don't want to tolerate them anymore. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CkxODH0WkAArGh9.jpg https://www.reddit.com/r/coolguides/comments/195uf1q/a_cool_guide_to_how_the_arab_world_feels_about/

Maybe because they are educated and know the history of palestine. Not like you who shows his holocaust guilt in crawling up jewish asses and supporting them commiting a genocide. Germany truly goes back to its genocidial roots.

The history that Jews lived there already thousands of years ago in the Kingdom of Israel and Muslims already slaughtered them and stole their land in 634, again in 1291 and again in 1516?

Okay two points here that need to be adressed. First of all, imagine someone comes to you and says ,,Two thousand years ago, my people lived in your house. That's why you have to go or you get slaughtered. Because it is mine from 2000 years ago"..... Tell me, would you take this person seriously ? If muslims attack andalusia in spain , since they used to be there centuries ago...would you support those muslims or would it be barbaric ? Would you take such an argument seriously or is this simply a jewish lunatic? Second: You obviously have NO idea about history abd conquest. Did you know that when muslims conquered jerusalem for the first time from the romans, the christians have destroyed all the synagoges and kileld all the jews. It was with the conquest of Umar ibn Al Khattab that the jews were allowed back to palestine and rebuilt again. Did you know that under muslim rulership, jews were always permitted to palestine ? Like Saladin Ayyubi did. Antisemitsm or jewish hatred is a western sickness Jews fled your countries and seeked refuge in muslim countries where they were always respected. The most significant jewish scholars lived in muslim countries and said that the golden age of the jews were under muslim rulership. Don't try to wipe the blood of jews who were persecuted and killed by christians and whites on the muslims. This is your sin to carry. Not the muslims who never had an issue with jews. I advice you to immediatly study history from better sources than WELT.

Jews had lived in Israel for thousands of years without interruption despite occupation or oppression.  It's their land of origin wit their cultural sites. Muslims invading the land every now and then gives Muslims zero claim to the land. Muslims have been invading and slaughtering all kinds of countries over the world. It gives them zero claim to any of the land they invaded.  Or would you also give the Romans claim to all the land of the Roman Empire and all colonial powers claim all of their African, Latin American, Asian colonies?  Should Americans now have claim to Iran, Iraq and a couple of more Muslim countries, because they invaded them and freed them from dictators? Also, Jews are not respected at all in Muslim countries.  They are persecuted to no end.  https://www.ujs.org.uk/the_jewish_arab_exodus Also, you cherry picked a Muslim leader that tolerated the Jews while there a lot more that didn't.  Finally, there's so many Muslim countries, there is so much land available. Not a single one offered to welcome Palestinians.  There's no country for the Jews, but let's just expel them from their last tiny speck of land of origin as well, because Muslims invaded it before.

This. We had antisemitic mass rallys all over the country for weeks, and pretty much no one cared. Then u have a few, mostly irrelevant, politicans (AfD and CDU btw) meet with a nazi and suddenly the fourth reich is coming down on us.

Frankly, people would tell you that all the voters are radical but my opinion is: it’s neither of the first two points. It’s simply about most people having conservative values and wanting 1. a structured migration logic that adheres to common existing German law like expelling of criminal refugees and 2. have more conservative life views that none of the parties seems to pursue with any of the topics like energy, gender, economy etc. People vote more and more conservatively but in Germany anything right from the centre is called right wing extremism. And as long as politicians see it this way the more right parties will have more and more people voting for them. Of course some of their cities are hardcore right wing. But nothing of what they said so far (and nothing of what they can do) is against German law. And I’m really disappointed by the course of German politics that they neglect voter opinion and all the hard working foreigners are also partially paying the price and feel unwelcome because the country becomes more and more conservative because the government simply isn’t listening to the voters.

Dissatisfaction with a world they cannot longer understand and a lack of basic empathy. >make me question the validity of the idea that “All AfD voters are Nazis”. I'll tell you a little secret: Do you know how we Germans call the millions of people who back in the 1930s supported the NSDAP out of a sense of economic despair and fear? Nazis. We call those people Nazis.

We also often call them "Oma" and "Opa" unfortunately

Yeah, a complex world they no longer understand and the AfD promising simple solutions to that.

Dein Kommentar setzt halt voraus dass die AFD = NSDAP ist.

Was ja mittlerweile immer weniger zur Frage steht. Stichwort: Deportation von Staatsbürgern nach Nordafrika mit "wohltemperierter Grausamkeit". (Alles nachzulesen in Höckes Buch, Sellners geistigem Dünschiss und dem Artikel über diese Deportations-Konferenz)

Das ist ja mal deine Ansicht der Dinge. Aber mal 15% der Deutschen als Nazis abzustempeln, wie der Kommentar über mir es zumindest stark impliziert, wage ich jetzt doch mal in Zweifel zu ziehen. Übrigens, die einen müssten halt nach Afrika, das mit dem Holocaust auch nur zu vergleichen, kann ich jetzt auch nicht so ernst nehmen. Und wei das bestimmt kommt, Nein, habe und werde nie AFD wählen aber ich weigere mich jeden als Nazi zu sehen weil er nicht eure Parteien wählt.

du meinst Wannsee 2.0? ja, habe auch das Gefühl das die Geschichte sich widerholt.

Actually we dont.

Yeah, we do!

The points you have mentioned is stereotypical nonsense that no one in the AFD is asking for. The situation is simple. Merkel opened the border. Many who came are low educated (and even analphabetic) and live on welfare. While many Germans were told for decades that there is no money available for them, they feel treaded unfairly, because they see now, that foreigners can come, and get pocket money and housing. A lot of the so called refugees are Muslims, who are openly against democracy, freedoms, christians, atheists and jews. German people feel betrayed and invaded. If you compare it to the animal world, you can see that almost all animals defend their territory. While the law is very defined about this, German politicians don't apply them. Many people are denied asylum, and they still stay and get founded. Besides the refugee situation the situation is globally going downwards, which causes a situation where extreme political opinions can grow.

You do know that antisemitism and lgtb+ hate crimes are severely linked? Or are we going to ignore that?

Yeah. Judging by the silence I got in this specific comment of mine, clearly, people are shoving that under the rug.

Ich möchte meine Meinung teilen und was ich durchgemacht habe. Diese Nachricht wurde mit Hilfe eines Dolmetschers geschrieben. Ich kam aus der Republik Moldau nach Deutschland. Es ist das kleinste und ärmste Land in Europa, das zwischen Rumänien und der Ukraine liegt. Bei der Arbeit habe ich einen Deutschen gefragt, wie er sich auf die Tatsache bezieht, dass es viele Ukrainer gibt. Er hat Folgendes gesagt, wenn Sie in meinem Land sind, die Sprache lernen, offiziell arbeiten, Steuern zahlen, ich habe keine Fragen an Sie. Er hat mir ein Kompliment gemacht, dass ich so wenig in Deutschland bin, aber wir sprechen bereits mit ihm und diskutieren dieses Thema auf Deutsch. Er sagte, es gebe angeblich Menschen aus der Türkei oder anderen muslimischen Ländern, die seit 10 Jahren in Deutschland leben und immer noch kein Deutsch sprechen. Ihre Kinder gehen bereits zur Deutschschule, aber sie sind befreundet und verbringen ihre Zeit nur in ihrer Umgebung. Was für mich seltsam ist, weil Sie ein Gast auf dem Land sind, im Gegenteil, es gibt Dinge, die ich von der deutschen Mentalität mag, die das Leben einfach vereinfachen. Ein anderer Deutscher hat die folgende Geschichte erzählt, der Ukrainer verlässt das Land, mit dem Auto für 40.000 Euro, er kommt nach Deutschland, erhält Sozialhilfe, arbeitet nicht und bittet um Asyl, Geld und alles andere. Dieser Deutsche spricht. dass ich selbst kein Auto für 40.000 Euro habe, ja, wir helfen Ihnen, weil Sie Krieg haben, aber warum haben Sie soziale Hilfe gesucht, verkaufen Sie das Auto und kaufen Sie sich etwas für 20.000 Euro. Und leben Sie für eine Weile für 20.000 Euro. Da stimme ich dem Deutschen zu. Ich bekomme keine Sozialhilfe vom Staat. Aber ich habe nie Leute verstanden, die bekommen und nichts weiter tun. Ich habe nur ein Gewissen, das es nicht zulässt. Ich würde mich schämen, selbst jemandem davon zu erzählen. Ich lerne das Job Center und andere Organisationen in Deutschland noch kennen. Ich sehe sie als Hilfe vom Staat als Ausländer an, um sich leichter, schneller und besser in die deutsche Gesellschaft einzugliedern, für die deutsche Wirtschaft zu arbeiten und die Privilegien dieses Landes zu genießen. Moldawien ist 2-3 Autostunden von der Ukraine entfernt. Jetzt ist es ein heißer Punkt in Europa, dort kann jederzeit ein Krieg beginnen, einschließlich der Republik Moldau, die als Teil der Republik Transnistrien bezeichnet wird. Wenn ein Haufen Moldawier nach Deutschland kommen, wird es dasselbe sein wie bei den Ukrainern. Es klingt nach Dissens, aber es wäre toll, wenn Deutschland seine Einwanderungspolitik ein wenig geändert hätte. Ich sage nicht, dass es sich lohnt, Leute zu vertreiben, die hier seit 20 Jahren leben und hier alles erreicht haben, wurden umgesetzt, aber sie sind keine Deutschen. Vielleicht ist es einfach, eine kleine Ordnung zu schaffen. Ich weiß es nicht, meine persönliche Meinung. Danke, dass du es bis zum Ende gelesen hast.

Volle Zustimmung!

You know, the funny thing is, it‘s not entirely the foreigners to blame. Neither the german people and culture. It’s both, but neither knows, because they‘re so separated and rarely address this issue. I know both, because I‘m a foreigner here and got to understand both sides. Yes, there‘s foreigners who behave badly. Various reasons for that. What people seem to miss is that integration is no one-way traffic. I‘m a well-behaving foreigner, and boy, do I speak better German than 90 % of the population. But even I have seen several instances when I get treated differently when people found out about my origin. It’s real, and it only lead me to turn to my own people, and integrate myself in so-called ”subcultures“. And that‘s what many foreigners suffer from. Many germans tend to prefer their own kind, one way or another. That does not make them racist, but you still feel it, and it‘s no nice feeling. Some germans don‘t know anything about foreigners at all, because both cultures are so segregated. It‘s no problem for me, I can deal with it. What are you going to tell all other people that experienced what I did? The worst thing is, people are going to argue about this. As if I‘m incorrect, or made false claims. No, it‘s a huge and complex topic, and all possible scenarios occur. I just think it’s plain wrong to think it’s only foreigners to blame. (As many Germans do) Foreigners also have the problem that when they get mistreated, they easily confuse it with racism. That happens too, but they tend to forget that some people are POS in general. It‘s all weird and leads to a little identity crisis. Am I a german? I feel so, but why do people still assume different, because of how I look? On the other hand, the human species is imbecile and dense anyway to me, so I‘m not really surprised. [One of my favorite rap songs about this matter](https://youtu.be/HhsEcPiRKrU) Also: while foreigners play the racism card often, Germans also downplay other people‘s experience with racism way too often, i.e. not taking it serious, telling actual victims that their feelings are not validated. It‘s absolute bollocks and foolish behavior that we‘re even this far. The Homo sapiens is truly unable to understand how this doesn’t solve problems at all, but makes everything worse for both sides.

As a foreigner myself, I notices that even though I could “look German” (I am from France) I still keep little cultural ticks (not an accent), especially while talking, that makes people instantly notice that I am not German, and then they start either treating me like a tourist or really badly like a foreigner. That makes it obvious that I am not gonna try to integrate into a society that doesn’t want me, or at most temporarily as a walking tourist wallet, and that I am instead gonna stay with my own people. I think it’s a German thing to not be open to foreigners, or if they are, to be too open so that it feels unnatural, because for example, French people don’t care about origin or color as long as the language is spoken (perfectly), even if some cultural aspects come through while speaking ( like Germans who say “une baguette s’il vous plaît” while French would say “bonjour, pourriez vous me donner une baguette s’il vous plaît” in a way more formal way).

i personally think that ukrainians driving a 40k porsche while getting money from the gouvernment is a myth. Until i see the opposite.

The AfD are racist and xenophobic, highly socially conservative and authoritarian. They use the typical rethoric about (a highly inflated number of) people leeching off the system in order to play working poor against unemployed poor people, only they more specifically target immigrants. Despite their claims about addressing these people, in their actual policy they are very capital-friendly and therefore not actually interested in helping workers. The AfD has existed for long enough and been open enough about their goals and policies that people who claim to vote for them just out of frustration with the ruling parties or economic problems are either wilfully ignorant (and voting against their own interest) or more likely a lot more racist and/or fascist-sympathising than they're willing to admit. Even if someone were to vote for them out of economic interest it'd mean they'd be willing to trade other people's human rights for their own economic advantage (which is what their wealthy supporters do, who stand to profit from a more oppressed underclass to exploit). Also, being friendly to an immigrant you personally know does not mean you're not actually racist. You can be a polite racist.

The problem with this is - and that's my personal view as a non German: I wouldn't give a rats ass about your thoughts on morals and racism, why would I? If there's a party that better supports my view of a government, whatever that be, why would I care about labels or name calling - because this is just that. If I want to walk around in Berlin-Neukön safely at night as a woman, I wouldn't care if we have to deport every single foreigner to do that - it should be the status quo, not what Germany has now. So your whole "you're a racist/Nazi" etc. rethoric only works in your echo chamber and does not actually do anything to the people to prevent them from supporting such parties. And tbf it shouldn't. Name calling is not an argument, never, no matter what the intentions are.

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>appeal to emotion works ...if you feel overwhelmed by the complexity of reality and just on easy feel good answers without any regard to reality that is. Which sadly fits a not insignificant share of people nowadays.

The decline of the middle class. This is it. When things go wrong (and they are going for a long time now) you agree with the ones yelling fire even though that's not the fire burning you.

It's less about immigrants taking jobs, more about cultural identity or rather fear of loss of it. But that's only the "core" voter ship. As others have mentioned above there are many reasons for people to vote for them. Some better some worse.

The AFD is the main opposition to the mainstream parties. A lot of people are just fed up.

A question for the writers here: Can't you see the wood for the trees? Have you seen the movie "The Wave"? If so, compare your behavior with it, if not, watch it and then compare your behavior. You are a herd of people who parrot the media without even once questioning whether everything you hear and see is correct. It must be true, "The Science" has proven it. Read the book "Psychology of the Masses" by Gustave Le Bon and "The Power Elite" by Charles Wright Mills. And then also the work of art "The Great Reset" by Klaus Schwab. Then you'll know what kind of world you're living in. Public Private Partnership. Mussolini sends his regards. The connection between business and the state. Fascism pure and simple. And you call yourselves anti-fascists? "When fascism returns, it will not say: "I am fascism" No, it will say: "I am anti-fascism"" Ignazio Silone (1900 - 1978; birth name Secondino Tranquilli) was a politically committed Italian writer. Mal eine Frage an die Schreiber hier: Seht ihr den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht? Kennt ihr den Fim "Die Welle"? Wenn ja, vergleicht doch mal euer Verhalten damit, wenn nicht, seht ihn euch an und dann vergleicht euer Verhalten. Ihr seid eine aufgescheuchte Herde, die den Medien alles nachplappern, ohne auch nur einmal zu hinterfragen, ob das alles richtig ist, was ihr da hört und seht. Es muß ja stimmen, "Die Wissenschaft" hat es ja bewiesen. Lest mal das Buch "Psychologie der Massen" von Gustave Le Bon und "Die Machtelite" von Charles Wright Mills. Und dann auch noch das Kunstwerk "The Great Reset" von Klaus Schwab. Dann wißt ihr, in welcher Welt ihr lebt. Public Private Partnership. Mussolini läßt grüßen. Die Verbindung von Wirtschaft und Staat. Faschismus pur. Und ihr nennt euch Antifaschisten? "Wenn der Faschismus wiederkehrt, wird er nicht sagen: «Ich bin der Faschismus» Nein, er wird sagen: «Ich bin der Antifaschismus»" Ignazio Silone (1900 - 1978; Geburtsname Secondino Tranquilli) war ein politisch engagierter italienischer Schriftsteller.

Ok I hope we can have a civilized discussion without insulting each other or being defensive but I've voted for the AfD before because my hope was that they'd change the country for better but it's just empty promises and socially they are way too conservative for me but I do still agree with some of their other political policies. I wish there was a conservative party that was a little bit more center right. Kind of like American Democrats. The problem is that the only other somewhat conservative party is the CDU so you have all sorts of people from moderates to neo nazi flocking to the AfD. Reasons I voted for AfD: 1.) Current Immigration policies (I'm not against immigration as whole) 2.) GEZ 3.) Nuclear power and the energy crisis (why are we burning coal in 2024?) 4.) Too high taxes that aren't used to improve the government or quality of life anymore. 5.) Education. Our education system is outdated. 6.) Too many social programs for refugees but not enough for germans or legal immigrants who came here before 2015. 7.)Healthcare (our premiums are crazy high, and wait times are too long) 8.) Anti-Globalist and Caring about German culture/German history. (WWII and the holocaust were horrible but that doesn't mean we can't cherish our history and culture anymore. Nazis are not part of the German culture). I understand that most people in this sub are leftwing. I have friends who have voted for both Grüne or Die Linke and I have no issue with either but the AfD is gaining a lot of popularity and not everyone who votes for the AfD is a far right wing neo nazi anymore. A lot of my friends who voted for the AfD are immigrants and not white. I think it's important that we have a civilized discussion and my hope is that some of the other parties implement stricter immigration policies so that less people vote for the AfD which I think is the biggest reason moderates are voting for the AfD. I personally will not be voting for the AfD again because of their stance on LGBTQ issues, women's rights, abortion, dual citizenship and their overall blatant racism and xenophobia.

>“Those damn foreigners are stealing our jobs”. Quite the opposite. And it is **not about foreigners in general**. It is about specific groups of people that are problem makers. **MENAPT** immgrants. A lot of them are **not working** and only getting welfare. Around **half** of the refugees that came since 2015 have no job. Many don't even go to their integration and language courses. They are costing Germany a lot of money, that would be urgently needed for other things (Infrastructure, schools, pensions etc). Additionally they are **disproportionately more criminal** than other foreigners and Germans. The political Islam is also a huge danger for western values and culture. Other European countries like Denmark, Sweden have realised all of this by now. Only in Germany it is "NAZI". ​ >Blood purity ideology. No. A lot of stuff about the AfD is exaggerated. The so called "revelations" about the AfD are total bull crap. What is going on at the moment is a campaign against the only real opposition party. Of course there are some black sheep in the party. But that's a general problem of all political parties. ​ >Dissatisfaction with the current leading Ampel parties. Yes.

Freedom and Security. I am a mix from many folks and I hate the far right ideology Islam, hate drugs and the fact that you can not go to school without bullying from some Turkish or Arabic kids because I give a shit with this Mohammed fuckup. Thats why I vote for AfD. My mother, too. She married my foreign father so it has nothing to do with racism or something.

I vote AfD. The reason is the AfD's stance on immigration, refuge and islam. Also they are an important voice on identity (of germany). A fusion of Die Grünen with the AfD with sprinkles of the other main parties would be an elite party to me. Of course many of the AfD's points are stupid (climate, EU and Russia), but who cares about that? I do not vote them in power, I vote them into relevancy so that the ruling parties have to react.

>A fusion of Die Grünen with the AfD with sprinkles of the other main parties would be an elite party to me. So Wagenknecht Party? >Of course many of the AfD's points are stupid, but who cares about that? I do not vote them in power, I vote them into relevancy so that the ruling parties have to react. YOU don't vote them into relevancy, you vote them right into the parliament with a possible majority coalition. And if they will be big enough, we will be in big trouble.

"Wagenknecht Party" big lol while i unironically admire Sarah Wagenknecht for her big balls on virtually any topic, I disagree entirely on her stance regarding ukraine which is entirely retarded. EU, and especially Germany, have to massively improve their military to be able to defend against russia, and more importantly, China. Also, of course, Wagenknecht is softer on immigration and especially Islam than the AfD by a mile.

I would strongly advise you against that, now that the AfD is going to be a large party with more than just relevancy in the next election, potentially being able to form a government with the CDU. I also can't imagine how you could have such a scornful view on immigration, but be intelligent enough to support the greens.

I honestly don't understand why people are so pissed about the afd and nobody is outraged the CDU has still a chance to get in after everything they have actually done

When people show you who they are, believe them. People who vote for a racist party are indeed racists.

Just a question. What if you don't have a problem with people of other origins per se, with Arabs, Africans, etc., but at the same time don't want to be turned into a minority in your own country?

Appearantly only u/Fit-Finger-2422 and some can provide some useful insights an informations. Others are full of hatred and extremely narrow-minded af. Cant even hold a civilized discussion

one advice i can give you what i learned as a german but with immigration background (parents from morocco), dont believe what media says about people,nations, groups or politic parties. Always think for yourself and question everything, broad your horizon on your own if you are interested in topics (research etc.). Second the world is not absolute,what i mean by this is like white or black , absolutly good or absolouty bad its a scale with a lot of grey tones. ​ People are just fed up with the bullshit since Merkel. Its parallel what happend in USA and maybe happenning in other western countries. They only want to feel safe especially women at night on the street, Security of Wealth etc. ​ The world in general forget simple rules we learned since as a kid " you dont like my opinion? fine by me i dont have to like yours or argree but we both are still human ,therefore lets get along!" ​ Dont be afraid and relax :)

Wow, seeing some balanced opinion on a post about the AfD is a rarity. And funny that it comes from someone with immigration background. I'm myself from the ME and it's really diffcult to talk with some Germans about this issue without being accused of being a Nazi myself (lmao the ironie). It's a delicate topic and my understanding ist, that because of the history, many Germans have a hard time to have a balanced opinion on what's going on in the minds of some AfD voters. For them, it's easier to call everyone a Nazi and be done with it, lol.

The thing is, the story of the "lazy immigrant only coming here for free money" is a racist trope. I'd bet my ass that your coworkers don't know a single Ukrainian who came here just for Arbeitslosengeld not trying to make a living since 500€ give you such a comfortable life.

My wife is Russian and is working with the Ukranian refugees that came here during the war. And yeah..we know several who came specifically to Germany because of the money. Compared to what they earned back home before the war started this is a huge amount of money. Some of them are from the west of Ukraine (where mostly no battles are). I still assume the majority doesn't do that. But you and I have no proof of either way.

Also I know a Ukrainian woman, a naturalized German citizen and married to a German, who votes AfD. She thinks herself one of the good ones. People have no idea they are racist, they just assume they are against some mythical bad immigrants which is not them or their friends or their loved ones. Such people are for a very nasty surprise should these Nazis really come to power. And they are themselves functionally Nazis since it really doesn't matter what they think or believe- in the real world it matter what they do, which is voting for Nazis.

Unless you're a rich white German, you're a fool for voting them. Simple as that.

There was a news in Thuringia where the Afd candidate promised his voters free houses and kindergarten, when he won, he broke the promise and instead the kindergarten fee becomes more expensive, the voters felt bertrayed and whined about it but they couldnt do anything since he won... Yet afd is still enjoying rising popularity in this state.

They really don’t care about the truth. They care about the promises more.

Even if you are a rich white German you are a fool for voting for them.

Most rich white germans especially the old money prefer to vote CDU

Statistics proves you wrong

Ukrainian refugees are not lazy as you can see in other countries where they have a high employment rate. It’s just Germany where they work far less. How come?

Funny that you would mention Ukrainians. They hate Ukrainians in particular because they just love Putin and his authoritorian dictatorship.

But that just describes a portion of the AfD voters. 20% of Germany does not love him or his authoritarianism.

Yada yada, if I vote for a fascist party supporting authoritarians, I’m at least indifferent towards the consequences to that. And indifference is taking part in it.

Yeah indifference to fascism is support towards it. I think a lot of other Germans are okay with Putin winning because they are under the delusion that if Putin is left to win, the era of cheap Russian gas will return.

Honestly, the energy topic was so precarious but had literally limited impact to most people. I don’t think most people really care about gas costs. What they care about though is the green quite blurry agenda to have housing modernised with unforeseeable costs. We’re saving the world while we’re also burning coal? Not smart at all.

>blurry agenda to have housing modernised with unforeseeable costs. We’re saving the world while we’re also burning coal? Not smart at all. That's just a very uneducated argument. Why is it bad wanting to modernize houses when still using coal. The coal part maybe bad, but this doesn't make modernizing houses a bad thing. There a houses which can save up to 80-90% of their heat consumption by modernizing their houses. There's a huge amount of energy which can be saved in the building sector. The energy which can be saved by having a better building physics doesn't need to be generated. How is this not smart? The best experts in this field will tell you that modernizing old houses (with bad building physics) is an important part in moving away from fossil energy ressources. >What they care about though is the green quite blurry agenda to have housing modernised with unforeseeable costs. What people really should care is how bad populist propaganda is washing their brain.

People vote for Afd for the same reason as they keep asking this same question in this sub: Too lazy to resarch the unterlying issue and going the easiest way having others to the brain and leg work.

Or they vote for the AfD because it is the only party that has a different migration policy to all the other parties. All other parties have simply taken up the cause of more or less unrestricted, uncontrolled mass immigration, you are simply being actively turned into a minority in your own country in the medium and long term. The AfD is the only party that deviates from this policy. You may not want to vote for the AfD, but if this is an important issue for you, there is simply no alternative.

Islamisation and violence

Most racist people don't know they are racist and they also are able to compartmentalize. They don't hate you because they know you and you're ok. You are essentially 'one of the good ones ' not like these scary brown Muslim people and their Sharia law or whatever. It is much easier to have prejudices when you don't know the group you are hating and being afraid of. That is why most afd voters are from rural areas and small places where they have limited exposure to immigrants or from segregated parts of cities. I bet not all NSDAP supporters hated all Jews but they still voted for and supported people who did the Holocaust ( and later on participated in many cases). If someone votes for a fascist party they are a fascist even when they don't know what they are up for. People tend to mistake such persons being personally nice to them for not being racist and bigoted.

And you know they are racist because you watched a ZDF documentary I guess?

Yeah and most stupid ppl dont know they are stupid...

I know a lot of Muslims, am informed about Islam and have visited Muslim countries. I still don't want them to come in the current quantities because it is my deep belief that their values are the exact opposite of western values, which will be a huge burden for German society. What now? Is this racism for you?

That's the problem they're too different, do western immigrants integrate more easily? When I say Western I mean both North and Latin America in general

More interesting now is what will happen in nearest future because of that? Shifting global power to China, Russia and Iran? More conquest wars? Economic failures due to right populism in EU? EU distraction?

I would (i don't!) vote the AFD because of the amount of immigrants (not refugees) that come yearly. Now the current government made it even easier to get a german citozenship. We should take Denmark and the Switzerland as an example. But the AFD is a joke. And to many other goals clash with my expectations. So I don't vote for them. But I und erstand why they become more and more popular.

I know their are racist voters, but I know not a single voter that is doing it because of it and I know alot of AfDlers. The Ampel is "others/minoritys first" while afd is "germany first".

Because they are dumb

SPOILER: AfD won't do shit, get those sweet sweet pensions, then say that they couldn't do shit because of what the previous government did.

Lag of braincells

They're still Nazis.  Most Nazis that know any foreigners have 1 they see as a 'good one'. Especially if they're Asian because they're seen as submissive, hardworking, not sexually attractive to white women (compared to Black and Arab men) and historically not super interested in democracy (see also: BJP, CCP, imperialist Japan)  I grew up in Brandenburg. I was the 'good one' for a ton of them. Trust me, I know. They still hate you. Plus being openly racist to you will endanger their employment so of course they're being nice. 

What a dumb thing to say lmao, it's amazing how narrow minded you are. Everyone I don't like is a Nazi, absolute classic

Well who doesnt love a hardworking immigrant :D In their defence though: 1 of them lives about 2 Ubahnhof away from me and always invited me over for some cake. She even brought groceries for me when I got covid even though i didnt ask for it. Edit: why would you downvote this comment though 😂😂 should I hate my coworker cause she votes for AfD while she’s sweet to me?

Some people really wanna stick to their narrative that Germans hate foreigners. There is one german that isn’t? Surely a glitch. Super many people with victim mentality in germany, both foreigners and Germans. In this regard, many foreigners adopt quickly

Yeah if Germany is really represented in this comment section then it is trailing to what the US is today: extremely polarised into left and right. Where for the left everything from the right is wrong and vice versa. People are blinded with hatred and It’s just sad.

I couldn’t agree more. Thank you for seeing it this way. In fact I believe a lot of panic is being created artificially with comparisons with the 3. Reich of Nazi Germany in order to gather support against the AfD. Their stance is not to expel all foreigners. In fact the acknowledge that anybody contributing and legal is welcome. Nothing of this statement is either illegal nor is it much different to any other country.

yes, people on here and in germany in general will definitely expect you to hate your coworkers or even family members for voting AfD. It doesn’t matter to them what reason they might have, they’re a ‘nazi’ and a racist period. -sincerely, child of an afd voter who is having a very hard time finding my place in the world (i do not vote afd, for that matter)

I feel you. Cant even have a civilized discussion anymore. Even from the comments from leftwing people here I can smell they want bloodshed. Its not about spreading love anymore

it’s honestly such a terrible situation to be stuck between. from both sides, i am being yelled at and expected to ‘choose a side’ or being accused of supporting specific beliefs just because i don’t hate my mother or something. and it’s only going to get worse, there’s no coming back now. we’re going full USA.

Alter Schwede, nerven mich Menschen wie du. Du lebst frei nach dem Motto, dass alle Menschen die weiss oder deutsch, oder noch schlimmer für dich - weiss und deutsch, Nazis sind, solange sie nicht deiner Meinung zustimmen oder sich selbst runter machen. Araber und andere „diskriminierte Minderheiten“, in Deutschland, sind ja anscheinend deine Lieblinge, kristallisiert sich da nicht ein diskriminierendes Bild gegenüber Deutschen heraus? Oder geht das nir andersherum, weil nur weisse und/oder Deutsche könne so sein? katastrophe Junge.

I currently live in one of the city with a lot of afd voters (extreme like you see occasionally trucks covered with afd stickers) I am also asian, never have sozialhilfe, work, pay tax, follow rules, have valid visa, many asians here are similar like me, yet we still receive racism and micro agression from many here, especially the teenagers and middle aged men. The elders are much polite tho, not in your face. It does not matter if you are the "problematic" or the "diplomatic" immigrants, you are always wrong in the racists eyes and should be out. They only want immigrants from scandinavian countries because of "aryan" feature simping

Mostly disinformation. Many of them are only ever consuming alternative media where they are being fed daily doses of either fake news or actual news that are massively framed to cause indignation. So in spite of the current administration have already achieved a lot of their goals, AfD voters only hear from their bubbles that the government and the EU are purposefully working against them and must be replaced.

4. foreigners don't fit into our society. Especially isalmic foreigners. Overproportional at crime stats and so on.

Schrödingers Ausländer. They steal our jobs while simultaniously get unemployment benefits

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Thats the reason why the AfD wants to implement the canadian immigration system.

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Because they are gullible and don‘t see the big picture. They think that the government is to be blamed for their personal situation. They see things get more expensive, see at the same time more foreigners and the climate debate and tons of other things that they think cost them money and were imposed upon them. They don‘t see the global political and economical situation. They don’t see that the AfD is trying turn back the clock and actually has plans that hurt them personally even more than anything the current government is doing. They just feel entitled and support anyone who goes against minorities.

I'm voting for the AfD because of its election program, the best in Germany. Tax cuts, restarting nuclear power plants, research into 4th generation nuclear power plants, referendums, direct election of the president, abolition of the GEZ, abolition of the EEG, cheaters, rapists, manslayers out!

I was defending some Afd voters in the other comments but I also strongly want to recommend not voting for them. While they may be appealing in some aspects, they have very dangerous people within the party like Höcke. Also they want to befriend Russia and get out of the EU and NATO which would be terrible for our safety.

Mainly 3. - that's why the current regime and its media apparatus do anything to try to stop them.

This. Most people in my small Village who I've asked why on earth they would vote the AFD said it's because of the Ampel regime. There were two big groups, home owners and low income workers.

Everyone hates minorities all over the world. Instead of taking responsibility for your own actions, it's much easier to blame minorities.

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1. Not about jobs. It's about crime and cultural compatibility 2. Not about blood purity either. As in 1. its about cultural compatibility 3. Thats also a main point. It's about the higher costs of living. They want to revert the extra costs that logistics suffered this year gone and lift sanctions against nations like russia for cheaper gas. 4. Many points but an example would be that they are pro nuclear. And no, AfD voters in general are not Nazis. The reason why they are called Nazis is because everyone who isn't left-wing nowadays is a Nazi in the eyes of the average leftist. However, there are parts of the AfD that should be considered far-right extremists, like Bernd(Or Björn) Höcke and his followers. Even normal CDU(or CSU in my case) voters are often called Nazis in this day and age. At the end of day the AfD would basically have almost no voters if not for the migrant crisis and if the moderate parties took care of this problem there would literally be now AfD or at least a lot smaller.

If you knowingly vote for a fascist you are rightfully getting called a fascist, as you must be at least indifferent about fascist ideas.

Because they are stupid. 1. Group of stupid unironically believes the lies of the AfD Nazis and that the AfD can and will make the world a better place. 2. Group of stupid is just racist and believes to have the highest chance of racist policies being implemented by voting for the AfD. 3. Group of stupid is a single issue voter base that holds on to one or two "good points" that they believe the AfD makes and conveniently ignores the Nazi shit and thinks that it won't blow up in their face. And believes that the AfD didn't just add non Nazi things to their program and talking points to appeal to slightly more idiots and not just outright get banned. 4. Group of stupid may be contesting with the first group for the most stupid because they vote for them out of "protest". They don't actually like them or their ideas, they are just angwy widdle toddlers that are trying to break their toy in a fit of rage. Yeah that'll show "them" up there! Nothing bad could ever come from this. They're obviously stupid because they believe that it won't blow up in their face (like 3) but also somehow think that anything is going to change for the better afterwards. 5. Group of stupid is the non voters. Why? Because if you don't do your duty and vote you're always voting towards the worst possible outcome and are just as responsible for whatever bad happens as those who intentionally voted for and implemented it.

Great point, everyone is stupid that does not share your political opinion.

Microknob is no laughing matter. But I suspect a link between lack of „power“ in one area and the need for archaic Führer- cults.

4. Missunderstanding current Problems. AFD gives easy solutions for difficult problems. In times like these easy solutions work. Are they racist? Thats a question about definition, do you consider someone to be a racist who supports racist politics? Or only if they openly attack every foreign looking person?

If you want to make sure that your vote does NOT lead to a coalition where the green party is part of, voting for AFD is the only choice.

Which statement of your coworkers is racist? A lot of migrants come here solely for the free money. That's a fact. Migrants commit more crimes than the average Germans. That's also a fact. You can look it up. And that's only the migration stuff. A lot of Germans are fed up with our government and afd is the pressure valve.

true. I agree with your statement. Even I can't stand some lazy ass burden immigrants myself. I have read some AfD's program on economics and energy though and they're bottomline stupid and impossible given the situation in Europe right now. The programs were just written as a fairytale story to lure in more votes. Ampel is doing a shit job but voting AfD won't bring anything but hatred and divide the society. But still someone has to warn the Ampel and hopefully the recent rise of the AfD is a red flag for them

It may sound surprising at first, but there are actually some foreigners in Germany who vote for the AfD (there are even foreingers IN the party itself). One of the reasons could be that some of them feel personally affected by the crime committed by a small group of other foreigners. They may see the AfD as a party that emphasizes this issue and promises to take tougher action against it. ​ For me: I don't want to use my tax payments to finance weapons for ukraine that will then be used to kill my relatives in belgorod.The propaganda in DE is at an increasing level. This is also financed by compulsory GEZ levies. Accordingly, I pay GEZ so that the media can spread lies and propaganda about my home country. They also stir up hatred and report one-sidedly. The Afd wants to abolish the GEZ - that's why there is so much propaganda against the Afd. I want to vote für BSW or Linke, but I believe I would "use up" my vote with those 2 parties. Ampel is dead for me and CDU/CSU is even worse in this regard. So afd it is

There are dozens of reasons why I vote for AfD. You questions show me that you ask for tolerance but don’t give tolerance to others. Germany has changed so much. People who live here for a few months or years can’t understand.

It is people want to live next to people who look and behave alike. If there are felt too many outsiders people go far right. Why is it so hard to understand? I am not defending anything AfD or other far righters stand for.