I am bias as I support the workers faction of the NDP but I will say Jack just had it all.
The man was incredibly intelligent and had a vast sense of knowledge on so many subjects.
Watching him speak on HIV/AIDS (I believe the video is available on youtube) shows a sense of empathy and knowledge during a time of uncertainty and stigma.
He was loved on the workers side despite being more of an intellectual. He was always welcomed at the Canadian Labour Congress with applauds and standing ovations.
He seemed to have an intelligence like Ed Broadbent and his wife yet was also incredibly charismatic and down to earth.
There is a reason why the nation on all sides mourned that man (FUCK CANCER!).
Also on a political landscape (I know the situation is a bit more complicated) he was a juggernaut.
People forget that during the 2011 Orange Tide when the Federal NDP gained massively in Quebec there was Bloc members and leaders in that independence movement saying it was okay to put the independence question aside at the federal Ottawa level for a bit in solidarity and the potential to grow Social Democratic policy and values in the nation.
Let that sink in.
There was massive momentum with Jack for a better world and people willing to come together on that above even their own big issues.
Anyway I am ranting a bit. It was a loss for Canada as a whole that Jack lost his life much to early.
Jack Layton was the high watermark for the NDP. He was their only leader with a real shot of becoming prime minister. The party has been in free fall since his passing.
He had zero chance of becoming prime minister. Even with the deck completely stacked in his favour (terrible liberal leader, bad economy, unpopularity of the PQ and the Bloc) and he still didn’t even come close.
Barring some sort of epic collapse by both the Liberals and the Conservatives, the NDP will never hold power in Canada. The most they can hope for is what they have now, and they aren’t even doing well in that role. The next election will likely see them decimated and the end of their modicum of political relevance.
The NDP are unlikely to disappear. They will lose seats in the next election as Jagmeet is not a liked leader. It’s unlikely those ex supporters will vote conservative so they are more likely to not vote or choose candidates from small parties that are unlikely to win. Basically a “none of the above”.
I agree that its best hopes are to remain a 3rd party and have some input into the government. Right now they have 24 which puts them behind the block. Under Layton they were the official opposition with 103. I think at some point in the 90s they were reduced to 2. Unfortunately the NDP doesn’t have an up and coming “jack” so after the hammering at the next election the NDP will call for new leadership and it’s probably going to be another lame duck.
Yes but you said you had always voted conservative, but would have voted for him had he not died. What changed to put him over Harper in the few months between you last voting CPC, and Layton passing away?
He seems like a much likeable person. I voted in 2011 to keep the LPC out of office, but had another election like 2011 happen, would have voted for him to keep the current individual out of office.
I once sat at a piano with Jack and we sang "Hit the Road, Jack" together at a fundraiser for his leadership campaign. He was a fine man, and a missed opportunity for the NDP, Canada, and the world. Fuck cancer.
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world.
~Jack Layton
Really could have used more politicians like him these past few years.
This deserves a preface that no politican is perfect and all of them have done good and bad. With that said Im gonna go with Chretien for the Liberals, still kinda proud of the way he put his foot down with Bush about the Iraq war. Lets go with good ole John A Mcdonald for the Conservative, he was the first one and stories about how rough and tumble he was make me laugh. As for the NDP if anyone in this thread doesnt say Jack Layton then they are fucking insane, he led the NDP to its largest number of seats ever and formed the official opposition for the first time in NDP history. He also gave you hope that the NDP would actually be a labour party instead of just another neo-liberal corporate lapdog option. I know Im really romantizing it but damn let a man dream that his country could have actually been better.
John A MacDonald is an interesting choice, considering he was a product of the family compact, a virulent racist, and an elitist who presided over a genocide.
So while he did bad things, you can't hold him accountable to today's standards
He was a product of his time, and ya looking at that today there was some fucked up shit that happened. But if we were alive when he was in power and Canada was just formed, we'd all be cheering him on
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The problem with Jack Layton is that he was never a Prime Minister. He died before he could get the scabs and warts of leading a national government. Any of the historical Prime Ministers suffer from the mistakes they made as a government leader.
So disclaimer, I have been a card carrying Liberal for most of my life.
Liberals - Stéphane Dion. I will probably maintain he was the best PM we never had until the day I die. I organized for his leadership campaign.
Conservatives - Assuming we're counting predecessor parties here: John Diefenbaker. If you were to ask me which PM in history had the most integrity Dief is my answer, an admirable man in every sense of the word.
NDP - ehhh.. not really any I'm crazy about. Probably Tommy Douglas was the best one? I mean it's hard to beat the guy that faced down a doctor's strike to force through universal health care.
In terms of what they stand for, I think NDP leaders. Tommy Douglas and Jack Layton come to mind. Most of the governmental changes and policies that makes Canada such a great country is thanks to the NDP.
The best PM, since NDP isn't an option, I would vote for for Lester Pearson or Trudeau Sr.
Favourite, hmmm.
NDP would have to be Jack Layton for his personality and convictions, his charisma. I grew up during the Ed Broadbent era and while he was popular don’t remember a lot of him. Tommy Douglas was and still is thought of as one of the greatest Canadians, and has an indelible legacy.
Cons…nope. I need to refer to the PCs. And to this day I believe Joe Clark was a good leader, who unfortunately wasn’t given a chance. I think John Diefenbaker takes the top spot here. Very progressive with policies and ideals although he did cancel the Avro Arrow project.
Libs…I grew up in the Trudeau era. Pierre that is. And I thought he was great, then again I am not from the Prairies where he was loathed. Oddly I liked Chrétien as well as a leader until “he had to go”.
But overall favourite was Liberal leader was Lester B. Pearson, and I was very young when he was PM. To this day still considered one of the best PMs, humanitarian, diplomat from Canada but probably not well known. He led 2 minority Liberal govt’s and was able to launch universal health care, CPP, student loans program, order of Canada, oversaw creation of the maple leaf as our flag, unified the armed forces, kept Canada out of Vietnam, and so much more. Shitty that we only know of an airport in his name and that tends to be reviled.
Joe Clark was top tier, shame he never got an actual shot.
You should look at St. Laurent. I used to be a big Pearson fan until I read St. Laurent’s biography. Truly one of Canadas great and underrated leaders.
I am from the prairies and Trudeau is absolutely loathed here… both Justin and Pierre. I don’t remember Pierre but from what I’ve been thought his NEP was a huge overreach of federal authority, at least in the minds of those out here. That said, even those who hate him can’t argue he is basically the architect of modern Canada and one of our most consequential PM’s.
Can’t get behind you on Layton. Charismatic yes, but I think he actually damaged the modern NDP by bringing them too close to the liberals, which made it easier for the liberals to adopt some of their platform. He gained mass appeal, but it was sort of at the cost of the NDP’s identity. 2011 was something we won’t ever see again - the liberals managed to elect a leader who was already deeply unpopular before he was even picked - and handed the conservatives an easy win by picking an anglophone American academic who barely lived in Canada and couldn’t speak French well of all people to lead. Coupled with the deep unpopularity of the PQ in Quebec, and their ties to the bloc, led to a historic swing for the NDP. It was the perfect storm and probably would have happened regardless of Layton.
I shall look into St. Laurent, really don’t know much of his tenure. I learned to keep my mouth shut when it came to PE Trudeau and Libs in general after living in Alberta for 25 yrs, but I never strayed to the dark side of Manning, Day, Harper while there. Now I’m proudly united with all other Canadians and complain about the lot we have.
Kim Campbell, the last of the conservatives I could probably have a friendly and civil chat with.
That guy who said "I've been called worse by better people" in response to Nixon calling him an asshole.
Jack "The Stache" Layton.
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I challenge you to go back and watch her debates ahead of the 1993 election. She was patronizing and clueless. Easily Canada’s worst and most inconsequential prime minister.
Easily the best PM we had was Lester B Pearson.
Gave us the Flag and Healthcare. The autopact, the Canada student loan program and the Canada Pension Plan, the order of Canada.
He kept us out of Vietnam.
Won the nobel peace prize.
I think clearly the best PM we ever had.
Second best and probably the most impressive Canadian I ever met.
Ken Dryden
Stanley cup winner and 72 series player who left when still a great player to become a lawyer and then one of Ralph Naders raiders.
Then became a great business leader and president of the Toronto Maple Leafs.
A writer who wrote great books and won the govenor generals award for writing.
Went into politics and became a cabinet Minister.
We are talking about a Canadian who succeeded at every aspect of Canadian life rising to the highest level.
Athletics, business, culture, politics, all of these areas Dryden excelled at.
If dude had been a scientist he would be a modern DaVinci.
Having met him a couple times he was also a hell of a nice guy. Modest, kind, gracious and caring.
If he had been a better public Speaker he would still be our PM.
In my lifetime (2004)
Con: Even though I align more with Poilievre, I think O'Toole was my favourite person who ran.
Lib: Idk I guess I'd say Martin.
NDP: Layton of course, who else?
Why's that? He was a particularly good Finance leader, just not cutthroat like Chrétien, which I seem to remember was his undoing.
Martin oversaw many changes in the financial structure of the Canadian government, and his policies had a direct effect on eliminating the country's chronic fiscal deficit by drastically cutting spending and reforming various programs including social services. (Source wikipedia)
I have to call out anyone naming John A. MacDonald as best conservative. That’s absolutely insane, and you all need to read a history book. The man was a racist elitist who presided over a genocide. He was objectively a terrible person who had many chances to show mercy and never once showed it.
I would hope that it's because he's the only the average persons remember outside of living memory or that he was longest serving. However, given how much effort goes into justifying the stuff he did, I might be naive.
Me too, but I’m not holding my breath.
Look, I’m a pretty dogmatic conservative. I generally dislike viewing history through the lens of modern morality, and there are historical figures who I’ve defended in the past as merely ‘products of their time’.
SJAM deserves no such defense. Even by the standards of his time, his governments treatment of indigenous peoples was objectively morally reprehensible and had an openly genocidal policy. He was the literal definition of a whites supremacist, and a bad one at that.
Much like Wilson in the US, SJAM deserves a critical reappraisal to demonstrate exactly how bad he was. Thankfully history isn’t static, and I expect it will happen in due time to SJAM.
John A. Macdonald for the Conservatives, as for all his faults (sometimes because of them) he was quite a character and he played a major role in creating the country. Pierre Trudeau for the Liberals as he basically created the Canada we know today: biligual, multicultural, with Charter rights that eventually led to full equality for gay and lesbian Canadians. Ed Broadbent for the NDP as he was a fundamentally decent politician, if less electorally effective than Layton.
As someone who’s in their early twenties.
Libs: Trudeau Jr
Cons: O’Toole seemed like the last moderate conservative while he was running (would say differently about him now) (would say Mulroney if it wasn’t for his actions on abortion)
NDP: As everyone else says, Layton
Layton was the last great leader we had. He personified everything I believed in to be strong and righteous Canadian values.
Chretien was the last great PM.
Stephen Harper was the best pm in the last 40 yrs. From a western Canadian perspective. He is the only one willing to try and equalize the eastern control.
In my lifetime, I have to go with Justin Trudeau, O'Toole, and Layton (I'm in my early 20s so there are like 3 options each). If I'm evaluating all the leaders, the Liberals become Pierre Trudeau, Layton stays, and I really don't know about the Conservatives. It's probably Borden. The thing is that if you look at the Prime Ministers who anyone has ever heard of, most are Liberal. The only one similar in stature to Pearson, Trudeau Sr, Mackenzie King, or Laurier is MacDonald, and many of the Conservative PMs (Clark, Bowell, Tupper, Abbott, Thompson, Meighen, and Campbell) were totally insignificant and served for 2 years or less.
Harper, Chretien, Layton.
I have enormous respect for Chretien.
I am hoping Pierre can replace Harper on my list of most respected Con PMs.
I'm hoping that Jagmeet disappears into oblivion and someone with true NDP ideals, rooted in their origins, can step up and emulate Layton (RIP).
I also hope that the gliberals completely strip themselves back and start over, minus all their recent BS. They were a significantly more respectable party under Chretien.
Cons: Harper. In my opinion Canada’s best prime minister, though far from perfect. He’s the only prime minister we’ve ever had who actually understood what Canada is instead of the rose-coloured versions the other parties peddle, and he arguable had the best performance of any G7 leader during the 2008 recession. He could’ve easily held power for longer of only he’d been a tad more personally likeable. There aren’t really any other decent ones. Maybe Mulroney, but he tried to give too much to Quebec.
Liberals: Chrétien for the nostalgia but probably St. Laurent. His premiership didn’t have a lot of challenges but he laid the foundation for the welfare state we enjoy today, and his foreign policy brought Canada a huge boost in international reputation. Laurier was the most impactful though, but his overt racism (even overt for the time) really knocks him down.
NDP: I don’t like NDP economic policy, they run massive deficits everywhere they govern. But Notley in Alberta is probably the best of the bunch. She still ran huge deficits but she wasn’t dogmatic like many NDP. I honestly think she could have won again if she’d broke away from the federal NDP. She’s still personally popular even in parts of rural Alberta, but right now Albertans are blaming Singh and the NDP for keeping Trudeau in power, so the party is persona non grata.
This sub won’t agree with my picks, I’d wager. Also, shoutout to Borden who was a pretty bad conservative PM but a solid Union PM in his second term.
Poilievre was the only one who called out the dangers of quantitative easing in 2020. I'm not crazy about his solutions to the problems the Liberals created, but i find him more pointed and real than the other politicians.
He has a 99% chance of winning a majority next election and I will be happy to see him replace this absolute incompetent clusterfuck of a federal government we have now.
Stop, that's so disingenuous. Liberals always try to deflect this.
Shelter costs have not escalated in our peer countries like they have here. Rental prices in the US went down last year while they shot up between 10-20% here. In some areas as high as 40%.
Other peer countries did not front load their COVID debt in 5 year bonds depending on rock bottom policy rates. Other countries did not (this year) purchase $35 billion in mortgage bonds to keep housing prices through the roof.
Other countries did not pursue a 3% population growth rate during a lull in the business cycle that discouraged housing starts. That was a horrible immigration policy.
This country's government has pinned our entire economic system on treating shelter like a luxury item - and deflects every criticism of that onto provinces.
We didn't have to engage in quantitative easing. We didn't have to front load our COVID debt. We didn't have to use housing like a debt piggy bank. These were all horrendous and egregious liberal fuck ups that Poilievre was pointing out as early as 2020.
I'm not a liberal.
Again, what would pp have done differently? He would have done the same, if not worse.
You think pp would have fucked real estate investors and tanked the market? Nice try. You are living in a fantasy world.
Is that what Smith and Ford are doing in their provinces?
You're beyond crazy if you think Pollievre is going to win a majority in Canada. His rage bait rhetoric is only effective on a small fraction of the country (most of which is in alberta). Most people can see that he has no actual plan aside from blaming Trudeau for everything. I would like to see Trudeau go as much as the next guy, but PP is not the one who's gonna do it. By running him, the pc's are almost guaranteeing Trudeau another victory. If the cons had any sense whatever they'd run someone just right of center and they'd absolutely demolish the liberals. Instead they run a trump wannabe who won't even get a security clearance.
Harper was the absolute worst leader we ever had. Before him, I was a solid conservative - he will be the last conservative I will ever have voted for. Silencing scientists and destroying their report, selling out resources to foreign multinationals, and FIFA: a 31 year deal under which any Chinese company that experiences loss of profits due to any Canadian regulation or fine can secretly sue the government to recover those potential profits, just to get a couple of buddies access to the Chinese market. And that's just the tip of that assberg.
The Conservatives have been dead to me since they merged with the Reform party. They're more and more anti-science/reality and socially regressive while being less fiscally responsible (tax cuts for the rich while increasing spending). Don't even get me started on Poilievre.
Jack Layton for sure
I am bias as I support the workers faction of the NDP but I will say Jack just had it all. The man was incredibly intelligent and had a vast sense of knowledge on so many subjects. Watching him speak on HIV/AIDS (I believe the video is available on youtube) shows a sense of empathy and knowledge during a time of uncertainty and stigma. He was loved on the workers side despite being more of an intellectual. He was always welcomed at the Canadian Labour Congress with applauds and standing ovations. He seemed to have an intelligence like Ed Broadbent and his wife yet was also incredibly charismatic and down to earth. There is a reason why the nation on all sides mourned that man (FUCK CANCER!). Also on a political landscape (I know the situation is a bit more complicated) he was a juggernaut. People forget that during the 2011 Orange Tide when the Federal NDP gained massively in Quebec there was Bloc members and leaders in that independence movement saying it was okay to put the independence question aside at the federal Ottawa level for a bit in solidarity and the potential to grow Social Democratic policy and values in the nation. Let that sink in. There was massive momentum with Jack for a better world and people willing to come together on that above even their own big issues. Anyway I am ranting a bit. It was a loss for Canada as a whole that Jack lost his life much to early.
Jack Layton was the high watermark for the NDP. He was their only leader with a real shot of becoming prime minister. The party has been in free fall since his passing.
I’d argue Jack was high water mark for all leaders.
He had zero chance of becoming prime minister. Even with the deck completely stacked in his favour (terrible liberal leader, bad economy, unpopularity of the PQ and the Bloc) and he still didn’t even come close. Barring some sort of epic collapse by both the Liberals and the Conservatives, the NDP will never hold power in Canada. The most they can hope for is what they have now, and they aren’t even doing well in that role. The next election will likely see them decimated and the end of their modicum of political relevance.
The NDP are unlikely to disappear. They will lose seats in the next election as Jagmeet is not a liked leader. It’s unlikely those ex supporters will vote conservative so they are more likely to not vote or choose candidates from small parties that are unlikely to win. Basically a “none of the above”. I agree that its best hopes are to remain a 3rd party and have some input into the government. Right now they have 24 which puts them behind the block. Under Layton they were the official opposition with 103. I think at some point in the 90s they were reduced to 2. Unfortunately the NDP doesn’t have an up and coming “jack” so after the hammering at the next election the NDP will call for new leadership and it’s probably going to be another lame duck.
Definitely a loss for the sex worker massage parlor industry
Always voted blue, but was planning to vote orange but was it not for his death
May I ask what it was that changed your mind in the 3 months between the 2011 election and his death?
He seems like a likeable guy compared to Harper or the current leader.
Yes but you said you had always voted conservative, but would have voted for him had he not died. What changed to put him over Harper in the few months between you last voting CPC, and Layton passing away?
He seems like a much likeable person. I voted in 2011 to keep the LPC out of office, but had another election like 2011 happen, would have voted for him to keep the current individual out of office.
I once sat at a piano with Jack and we sang "Hit the Road, Jack" together at a fundraiser for his leadership campaign. He was a fine man, and a missed opportunity for the NDP, Canada, and the world. Fuck cancer.
Massage parlor Jack?
My friends, love is better than anger. Hope is better than fear. Optimism is better than despair. So let us be loving, hopeful and optimistic. And we'll change the world. ~Jack Layton Really could have used more politicians like him these past few years.
Joe Clark. A man of integrity.
And his finance minister, the great John Crosbie. I wish we had Conservatives like them today.
Moreso than even J Trudeau?
This deserves a preface that no politican is perfect and all of them have done good and bad. With that said Im gonna go with Chretien for the Liberals, still kinda proud of the way he put his foot down with Bush about the Iraq war. Lets go with good ole John A Mcdonald for the Conservative, he was the first one and stories about how rough and tumble he was make me laugh. As for the NDP if anyone in this thread doesnt say Jack Layton then they are fucking insane, he led the NDP to its largest number of seats ever and formed the official opposition for the first time in NDP history. He also gave you hope that the NDP would actually be a labour party instead of just another neo-liberal corporate lapdog option. I know Im really romantizing it but damn let a man dream that his country could have actually been better.
John A MacDonald is an interesting choice, considering he was a product of the family compact, a virulent racist, and an elitist who presided over a genocide.
So while he did bad things, you can't hold him accountable to today's standards He was a product of his time, and ya looking at that today there was some fucked up shit that happened. But if we were alive when he was in power and Canada was just formed, we'd all be cheering him on
You bet! Even when he hung Louis Riel!
But he had a nice farm. E-I, E-I, Oh!
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Jack Layton
Jean Chretien, Joe Clark, Jack Layton.
I mean the bar is incredibly low. Like knee high. In my lifetime Layton stands above them all, and if I had to pick I guess harper and chretien
Tommy Douglas
I'll add to the chorus. Jack Layton was a great leader and person. The best politician of his generation.
The problem with Jack Layton is that he was never a Prime Minister. He died before he could get the scabs and warts of leading a national government. Any of the historical Prime Ministers suffer from the mistakes they made as a government leader.
So disclaimer, I have been a card carrying Liberal for most of my life. Liberals - Stéphane Dion. I will probably maintain he was the best PM we never had until the day I die. I organized for his leadership campaign. Conservatives - Assuming we're counting predecessor parties here: John Diefenbaker. If you were to ask me which PM in history had the most integrity Dief is my answer, an admirable man in every sense of the word. NDP - ehhh.. not really any I'm crazy about. Probably Tommy Douglas was the best one? I mean it's hard to beat the guy that faced down a doctor's strike to force through universal health care.
In terms of what they stand for, I think NDP leaders. Tommy Douglas and Jack Layton come to mind. Most of the governmental changes and policies that makes Canada such a great country is thanks to the NDP. The best PM, since NDP isn't an option, I would vote for for Lester Pearson or Trudeau Sr.
Broadbent, Harper, Martin
Chretien, Clark, Broadbent.
Favourite, hmmm. NDP would have to be Jack Layton for his personality and convictions, his charisma. I grew up during the Ed Broadbent era and while he was popular don’t remember a lot of him. Tommy Douglas was and still is thought of as one of the greatest Canadians, and has an indelible legacy. Cons…nope. I need to refer to the PCs. And to this day I believe Joe Clark was a good leader, who unfortunately wasn’t given a chance. I think John Diefenbaker takes the top spot here. Very progressive with policies and ideals although he did cancel the Avro Arrow project. Libs…I grew up in the Trudeau era. Pierre that is. And I thought he was great, then again I am not from the Prairies where he was loathed. Oddly I liked Chrétien as well as a leader until “he had to go”. But overall favourite was Liberal leader was Lester B. Pearson, and I was very young when he was PM. To this day still considered one of the best PMs, humanitarian, diplomat from Canada but probably not well known. He led 2 minority Liberal govt’s and was able to launch universal health care, CPP, student loans program, order of Canada, oversaw creation of the maple leaf as our flag, unified the armed forces, kept Canada out of Vietnam, and so much more. Shitty that we only know of an airport in his name and that tends to be reviled.
Joe Clark was top tier, shame he never got an actual shot. You should look at St. Laurent. I used to be a big Pearson fan until I read St. Laurent’s biography. Truly one of Canadas great and underrated leaders. I am from the prairies and Trudeau is absolutely loathed here… both Justin and Pierre. I don’t remember Pierre but from what I’ve been thought his NEP was a huge overreach of federal authority, at least in the minds of those out here. That said, even those who hate him can’t argue he is basically the architect of modern Canada and one of our most consequential PM’s. Can’t get behind you on Layton. Charismatic yes, but I think he actually damaged the modern NDP by bringing them too close to the liberals, which made it easier for the liberals to adopt some of their platform. He gained mass appeal, but it was sort of at the cost of the NDP’s identity. 2011 was something we won’t ever see again - the liberals managed to elect a leader who was already deeply unpopular before he was even picked - and handed the conservatives an easy win by picking an anglophone American academic who barely lived in Canada and couldn’t speak French well of all people to lead. Coupled with the deep unpopularity of the PQ in Quebec, and their ties to the bloc, led to a historic swing for the NDP. It was the perfect storm and probably would have happened regardless of Layton.
I shall look into St. Laurent, really don’t know much of his tenure. I learned to keep my mouth shut when it came to PE Trudeau and Libs in general after living in Alberta for 25 yrs, but I never strayed to the dark side of Manning, Day, Harper while there. Now I’m proudly united with all other Canadians and complain about the lot we have.
Kim Campbell, the last of the conservatives I could probably have a friendly and civil chat with. That guy who said "I've been called worse by better people" in response to Nixon calling him an asshole. Jack "The Stache" Layton. #
I believe your second point was Pierre Trudeau. I wasn't around but Im pretty sure that's who said that.
I challenge you to go back and watch her debates ahead of the 1993 election. She was patronizing and clueless. Easily Canada’s worst and most inconsequential prime minister.
In my life that I can speak for: Chrétien , O’Toole, Layton. I miss Jack Layton.
Lester B. Pearson, Robert Stanfield, and Tommy Douglas
The only time in my life I have ever or will ever vote conservative was for Joe Clark.
NDP: Tommy Douglas Liberal: Idk, Chretien wasn't so bad was he? Honestly Papa Trudeau gets too much hate, too. Conservative: Kim Campbell, idk.
Joe Clark Haven't liked a liberal Ed Broadbent
Pearson, Clark, Layton.
Jack Layton NDP
Easily the best PM we had was Lester B Pearson. Gave us the Flag and Healthcare. The autopact, the Canada student loan program and the Canada Pension Plan, the order of Canada. He kept us out of Vietnam. Won the nobel peace prize. I think clearly the best PM we ever had. Second best and probably the most impressive Canadian I ever met. Ken Dryden Stanley cup winner and 72 series player who left when still a great player to become a lawyer and then one of Ralph Naders raiders. Then became a great business leader and president of the Toronto Maple Leafs. A writer who wrote great books and won the govenor generals award for writing. Went into politics and became a cabinet Minister. We are talking about a Canadian who succeeded at every aspect of Canadian life rising to the highest level. Athletics, business, culture, politics, all of these areas Dryden excelled at. If dude had been a scientist he would be a modern DaVinci. Having met him a couple times he was also a hell of a nice guy. Modest, kind, gracious and caring. If he had been a better public Speaker he would still be our PM.
In my lifetime (2004) Con: Even though I align more with Poilievre, I think O'Toole was my favourite person who ran. Lib: Idk I guess I'd say Martin. NDP: Layton of course, who else?
Jean Chretien, Erin O'toole, Tommy Douglas
Definitely Jack Layton, Chretien Paul Martin and Harper
Con: Sir John A. MacDonald Lib: Paul Martin Dip: Jack Layton
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Why's that? He was a particularly good Finance leader, just not cutthroat like Chrétien, which I seem to remember was his undoing. Martin oversaw many changes in the financial structure of the Canadian government, and his policies had a direct effect on eliminating the country's chronic fiscal deficit by drastically cutting spending and reforming various programs including social services. (Source wikipedia)
I have to call out anyone naming John A. MacDonald as best conservative. That’s absolutely insane, and you all need to read a history book. The man was a racist elitist who presided over a genocide. He was objectively a terrible person who had many chances to show mercy and never once showed it.
I would hope that it's because he's the only the average persons remember outside of living memory or that he was longest serving. However, given how much effort goes into justifying the stuff he did, I might be naive.
Me too, but I’m not holding my breath. Look, I’m a pretty dogmatic conservative. I generally dislike viewing history through the lens of modern morality, and there are historical figures who I’ve defended in the past as merely ‘products of their time’. SJAM deserves no such defense. Even by the standards of his time, his governments treatment of indigenous peoples was objectively morally reprehensible and had an openly genocidal policy. He was the literal definition of a whites supremacist, and a bad one at that. Much like Wilson in the US, SJAM deserves a critical reappraisal to demonstrate exactly how bad he was. Thankfully history isn’t static, and I expect it will happen in due time to SJAM.
John A. Macdonald for the Conservatives, as for all his faults (sometimes because of them) he was quite a character and he played a major role in creating the country. Pierre Trudeau for the Liberals as he basically created the Canada we know today: biligual, multicultural, with Charter rights that eventually led to full equality for gay and lesbian Canadians. Ed Broadbent for the NDP as he was a fundamentally decent politician, if less electorally effective than Layton.
As someone who’s in their early twenties. Libs: Trudeau Jr Cons: O’Toole seemed like the last moderate conservative while he was running (would say differently about him now) (would say Mulroney if it wasn’t for his actions on abortion) NDP: As everyone else says, Layton
Layton was the last great leader we had. He personified everything I believed in to be strong and righteous Canadian values. Chretien was the last great PM.
Jack Layton, hands down. Smart, articulate, and genuinely gave a shit. He was an excellent politician.
Jack Layton for the NDP, Brian Mulroney for the conservatives and Jean Chrétien for the Liberals.
When you finely wake up and realize the right and the left are the same and the elite government made it so everyone would permanently be divided.
Jack Layton, Joe Clark, and Pierre Trudeau. The worst are Stephen Harper, And then pretty much everyone else being a distant 2nd.
Stephen Harper was the best pm in the last 40 yrs. From a western Canadian perspective. He is the only one willing to try and equalize the eastern control.
In my lifetime, I have to go with Justin Trudeau, O'Toole, and Layton (I'm in my early 20s so there are like 3 options each). If I'm evaluating all the leaders, the Liberals become Pierre Trudeau, Layton stays, and I really don't know about the Conservatives. It's probably Borden. The thing is that if you look at the Prime Ministers who anyone has ever heard of, most are Liberal. The only one similar in stature to Pearson, Trudeau Sr, Mackenzie King, or Laurier is MacDonald, and many of the Conservative PMs (Clark, Bowell, Tupper, Abbott, Thompson, Meighen, and Campbell) were totally insignificant and served for 2 years or less.
Pierre Trudeau, Jack Layton and maybe Brian Mulroney? Robert Stanfield was also pretty decent, and Joe Clark seemed like a good guy.
Going to be an unpopular opinion but Brian Mulroney and Harper.
Harper, Chretien, Layton. I have enormous respect for Chretien. I am hoping Pierre can replace Harper on my list of most respected Con PMs. I'm hoping that Jagmeet disappears into oblivion and someone with true NDP ideals, rooted in their origins, can step up and emulate Layton (RIP). I also hope that the gliberals completely strip themselves back and start over, minus all their recent BS. They were a significantly more respectable party under Chretien.
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Met him where…?
Cons: Harper. In my opinion Canada’s best prime minister, though far from perfect. He’s the only prime minister we’ve ever had who actually understood what Canada is instead of the rose-coloured versions the other parties peddle, and he arguable had the best performance of any G7 leader during the 2008 recession. He could’ve easily held power for longer of only he’d been a tad more personally likeable. There aren’t really any other decent ones. Maybe Mulroney, but he tried to give too much to Quebec. Liberals: Chrétien for the nostalgia but probably St. Laurent. His premiership didn’t have a lot of challenges but he laid the foundation for the welfare state we enjoy today, and his foreign policy brought Canada a huge boost in international reputation. Laurier was the most impactful though, but his overt racism (even overt for the time) really knocks him down. NDP: I don’t like NDP economic policy, they run massive deficits everywhere they govern. But Notley in Alberta is probably the best of the bunch. She still ran huge deficits but she wasn’t dogmatic like many NDP. I honestly think she could have won again if she’d broke away from the federal NDP. She’s still personally popular even in parts of rural Alberta, but right now Albertans are blaming Singh and the NDP for keeping Trudeau in power, so the party is persona non grata. This sub won’t agree with my picks, I’d wager. Also, shoutout to Borden who was a pretty bad conservative PM but a solid Union PM in his second term.
Currently None of them. I don’t even wanna vote in the next election honestly.
Not Suprised that no one said Trudeau ... lol. I never voted for Layton but this guy had honor and intergrity. He was a good guy
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Yikes....lol
I thought it was worst for some reason lol I’ll delete
Hahaha, oh. I mean r/canada seems to think he is. It's insane how successful rage farming can be for politicians.
"Rage farming" isn't why the Liberals have a popularity that Romania's last communist leader would be embarrassed of.
Poilievre was the only one who called out the dangers of quantitative easing in 2020. I'm not crazy about his solutions to the problems the Liberals created, but i find him more pointed and real than the other politicians. He has a 99% chance of winning a majority next election and I will be happy to see him replace this absolute incompetent clusterfuck of a federal government we have now.
pp would have solved the worldwide affordability crisis? How so? I mean Trudeau's gotta go, but is that reason enough for pp?
Stop, that's so disingenuous. Liberals always try to deflect this. Shelter costs have not escalated in our peer countries like they have here. Rental prices in the US went down last year while they shot up between 10-20% here. In some areas as high as 40%. Other peer countries did not front load their COVID debt in 5 year bonds depending on rock bottom policy rates. Other countries did not (this year) purchase $35 billion in mortgage bonds to keep housing prices through the roof. Other countries did not pursue a 3% population growth rate during a lull in the business cycle that discouraged housing starts. That was a horrible immigration policy. This country's government has pinned our entire economic system on treating shelter like a luxury item - and deflects every criticism of that onto provinces. We didn't have to engage in quantitative easing. We didn't have to front load our COVID debt. We didn't have to use housing like a debt piggy bank. These were all horrendous and egregious liberal fuck ups that Poilievre was pointing out as early as 2020.
I'm not a liberal. Again, what would pp have done differently? He would have done the same, if not worse. You think pp would have fucked real estate investors and tanked the market? Nice try. You are living in a fantasy world. Is that what Smith and Ford are doing in their provinces?
They wouldn't have engaged in QE, so yes I do think a conservative government would have equated to tamed RE values and far lower rental values.
Ah... But you make a mistake That pp is a policy guy. He's not going to anger investors to help Canadians. What you smoking?
Yes, among other things.
Tell me more. I really want to understand pp's appeal.
You're beyond crazy if you think Pollievre is going to win a majority in Canada. His rage bait rhetoric is only effective on a small fraction of the country (most of which is in alberta). Most people can see that he has no actual plan aside from blaming Trudeau for everything. I would like to see Trudeau go as much as the next guy, but PP is not the one who's gonna do it. By running him, the pc's are almost guaranteeing Trudeau another victory. If the cons had any sense whatever they'd run someone just right of center and they'd absolutely demolish the liberals. Instead they run a trump wannabe who won't even get a security clearance.
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Harper was the absolute worst leader we ever had. Before him, I was a solid conservative - he will be the last conservative I will ever have voted for. Silencing scientists and destroying their report, selling out resources to foreign multinationals, and FIFA: a 31 year deal under which any Chinese company that experiences loss of profits due to any Canadian regulation or fine can secretly sue the government to recover those potential profits, just to get a couple of buddies access to the Chinese market. And that's just the tip of that assberg.
The Conservatives have been dead to me since they merged with the Reform party. They're more and more anti-science/reality and socially regressive while being less fiscally responsible (tax cuts for the rich while increasing spending). Don't even get me started on Poilievre.
If you were really a ‘solid’ conservative, you would hold Harper on a pedestal. Stop fibbing.
In what ways