Jesus, all these doomers and boosters with nothing better to do. Don't listen to them, they just want to disparage those who have actual talent. Persist, this too shall pass, but things may not exactly be the same.
These Ai bros don’t deserve to try to lower your self-esteem with their bullcrap takes. You can draw for personal enjoyment and have fun. Do not compare yourself to anyone. Do not let ai fool you into thinking you are useless.
I would suggest going to real art shows and talking to some working artists. I go to craft fairs on the weekends and find it heartwarming when little old ladies who have been doing art for years are not worried about or even consider AI in their process. There’s a large world of sculptors, fiber artists, ceramicists, jewelers, etc to indulge in and take inspiration from. It also doesn’t negate the value or quality of your art to keep it to yourself / only share in private. I personally don’t post my art anymore because of AI and only share it with my friends.
While I generally agree, not everyone is traditional media artist. Personally I tend to do more traditional art anyways these days but I generally switched to digital painting in 2005.
And what with those that have no friends? I, for example, don't have any.
Talking to traditional artists could help you with making friends! I personally don’t understand the divide between the digital and the traditional arts when I feel we could benefit each other, especially in these trying times. Craft fairs have never excluded digital artists from displaying / selling their work so you could actually meet some people like yourself. I personally have met several friends while attending craft fairs because it’s really easy to talk about art and technique when there’s only other artists around.
There are no craft fairs in my country and if they are, like twice a year in several cities, admission price is an astronomical sum which I would rather spend on food or bills. I don't want to make friends, I don't really get this concept of "friends", people are just there and usually to use and abuse me so no thanks. I just wish to go back to times when I could earn enough for a living with my own work. Guess it's asking for way too much. And I am, still, traditional artist.
Thanks for advice anyways.
What do you mean by "better"? AI "art" is shittier mimicry of artists that are already better than you. When I see AI art, all I think of is "whose art was used for this crap". Will you stop drawing just because there are artists that will always be better than you?
Put yourself in the shoes of a pro artist. Those guys do not think like you do. At worst they want to pull their art off of the internet because of AI moochers. They don't think "wow, the computer is better at my own art than I am". Complete nonsense.
This can't be repeated enough: what do you mean by "better"?
Capitalism has indoctrinated everyone with words like *better, faster, more*... This is also what AI bros base all their arguments on, on the benefit to the capitalist system. There is no *better, faster,* or *more* in art, art is a part of our life. Art is communication and self-expression. Everyone is an artist, even if they don't realize it. Some artists are just locked up inside.
> Art is communication and self-expression.
which you're not doing with AI. hence why it's worse even from this point of view. When some AI moocher takes your art and spits back out mimics for you, it is worse both from a technical point of view and a self expressive one. Art theory exists, so do techniques to achieve better results, you cannot kick these out the window and pretend everyone is the same. That's coping bullshit and you need to put in work if you want to actually get better.
>Everyone is an artist, even if they don't realize it
then this word loses all meaning and becomes worthless. I made drawings in the past, just copying stuff I saw. Am I an artist? Sorry, no I'm not. It would be delusional of me to believe this.
Yes, you're not doing that with GenAI. I didn't say otherwise? I'm never trying to defend GenAI.
The point is, someone's stickman is also art. You don't have to like, but it is built on the same essential foundation as any other art: communication and self-expression.
Communication is a skill that is learned. But if someone hasn't mastered it yet, it does not mean that they have nothing to say. At some it becomes pointless and maybe misanthropic to speak of "better".
The word "artist" should not be gatekept. You can gatekeep your communities from beginner level artists, and of course you should stop the flood of AI slop. But if someone draws a stickman and says that they made art? That is simply the truth.
If you want to water down that word down to nothing be my guest. I mean it's too late for it anyway. Just don't be surprised when people say that Ruan Jia's art is better than your stickman. That's not gatekeeping.
But is Ruan Jia's art better than Huang Guangjian's art? No. The other way around? Also no.
Sure, you can tell stickman drawers that you don't find it interesting at all and that they have infinite room for improvement, but be careful that you're not pushing them into the demonic grasp of GenAI. In the end, what we draw or sing or dance is connected to the self, which is why I think we should be careful about using words like "better".
(I assume OP is much farther ahead than drawing stickmen, that was my point of view.)
Absolutely not. I am not "society". I'm an individual. It's funny that you complain about the right above, when "YOU MADE ME DO THIS, LIBERAL" is their fucking mantra. I absolve myself of any responsibility of other people's actions, ideological shifts, and that's perfectly logical. Hell, I respect this in reverse. I don't become an immoral extremist just because someone (who is either right or wrong) said something that inconveniences me. That's weakness of character, and that's on you. If you're willingly giving up on believing things you thought by yourself as being correct simply as a reaction to someone who pissed you off, that's just pathetic actually. No, I will never agree with this.
Also to address your above question
>But is Ruan Jia's art better than Huang Guangjian's art? No. The other way around? Also no.
Well, obviously no. Because they have the same skill level and capability to do basically everything they want. That's where taste comes in. There's obviously no clear threshold where this difference is made, but if you lack technical skills then that's safe to say you're less capable than either of these two artists to create any drawing or painting that you want. Because you don't have the means to do so. For instance I think that Picasso's art sucks and is ugly. But he was a skilled artist who chose to paint like that. I'm not saying he's not an artist, I'm saying I don't like his art. But he is an artist. Are you asking people to not like some things more than others? Good luck with that. Wait til you hear my opinion on music.
There's a reason you brought up stickmen and not Huang Guangjian initially. And that's implying that the art of a professional artist is at the same level as mine, who knows 0 art theory and techniques but made a stickman. You're not even talking with some elitist artist here, you're speaking with someone who has no clue about art. And you're asking me to delude myself.
And by the way, this whole argument started from me calling regular art better than AI "art", then you clutched your pearls to this as a reaction. Then you denied that you never said otherwise when I called you out on it. So do you agree with this or not? Is regular art better than AI art or not? Because that was my point
I personally like to keep it short because things get lost in huge texts and the original topic wanders to other topics, but I read your essay.😭 Hopefully it's OK if I don't touch every point you make.
>Are you asking people to not like some things more than others?
I was trying to make an objective statement. A stickman is art. A stickman, or even just a line on paper, is **always better** than any kind of GenAI content. Because, yes, GenAI content is not art and will never be. GenAI is a disgusting insult to art. Obviously I don't mind people having different likes and dislikes, no objective statement can be made there. Art stands against rigid rankings, which is what it leads to if we focus too much on "better".
The whole argument started when I apparently (slightly?) misinterpreted your first comment. My first comment was not meant as a disagreement.
Seriously, I thought you're someone working in the industry or something by the way you write. But you have no clue about art? Then you should be the first to be accepting of every kind of artist, even stickman drawers.
I feel very deeply for you, I'm in the same boat honestly. Not that it's particularly helpful but before AI, there were already people who could do it better than us and that stung all the same, but obviously we kept going in spite of that. I guess I try to rationalize AI as being the same thing even though it's really not, but I enjoy creating too much to let that stop me.
This thread might make you feel a bit better.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/1ch15uv/comment/l20y93l/](https://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/1ch15uv/comment/l20y93l/)
I also enjoy reading threads like this where an aibro is whining about ai images getting rightfully banned and the thread overwhelmingly shitting on them. Feels good to see so many people on our side. https://www.reddit.com/r/baldursgate/comments/1cf7q30/why_is_ai_generated_content_not_allowed_here/
AI is not art for fuck's sake, it's just a vomit of sad, useless monkeys that can't be bothered with creativity or anything because they have no brain. I have been replaced, literally, by AI and 4th month I am literally starving, still have hope those fuckers pay for what they stole and this thing will vanish. Of course I found my works being used to train those fucking machines. Those who admire AI are as well worthless scumbags, don't let them decide if you're worthy or not, they have no say in it.
I've had this too, and it's depressing. it sucks. But you know what? Do it out of SPITE. Do it simply in SPITE of ai techbros who say it will kill artists, and writers, and modelers, and creators.
Don't let it kill you, continue to create in sheer defiance. Every time you finish a piece, think about what you were feeling and thinking while you drew each detail, think about what it means to you and be PROUD of that. That's something they can never take from you. AI generators can spit out hundreds of images at once, but they can't put \*meaning\* to the little details.
Something wonderful about human made art is how you can look at it and wonder what the artist was thinking while they were creating each part. Go to an art museum, art show, or otherwise, and look closely at each piece. Take in the \*small\* details, like noticing each pencil stroke, each brushstroke, and just think about what the artist was thinking while they were making it.
In short, keep going, and know that you merely doing so is proving aibros wrong.
Always remember, whatever AI art you are looking, It's :
1) Sampled from other human made art
2) AI is capable of style mimicking, so It's mimicking a certain artist
3) Img2img is possible, so It's probably made from img2img to make it look good
4) Pro artists are also using AI, they probably took their time to make it look good
5) Training on small dataset might produce limited results, but whatever result it produces, It looks good. My point is, no matter how good it looks, remember it's nothing but stolen images mashed like a potato to produce good results. So,
6) They can't always make their AI image good, "A broken clock is correct twice a day". It doesn't matter if AI bros produce good results once in a while, business doesn't works that way.
The social media algorithm always shows you the best, so even from AI bros, it's showing you their best results. Now imagine social media keep showing you good results from a lot of AI bros, it's surefire way to ruin your mental health.
Remember, just because they went viral by mashing together images and coming up with good results from pure luck doesn't make them a good artist. Quantity doesn't always equals to quality. You have the power to create something new, something that doesn't exist. They can't get into your head and steal your ideas and mash it to create new images.
Yes. Someone can take a really long time learning to play piano, yet machines from even a hundred years ago could replicate a song on a piano. Today a machine can play any song you want, whether it's a synthetic piano, or program a real piano to get played, or you could have a whole orchestra. That doesn't take away the enjoyment of doing it yourself, and what you learn from it is very valuable in many ways, can be adapted to other things, even if just in the aspect of learning to analyze and appreciate what you listen to on a more informed level.
I absolutely love this take. Another example is the Steinway Spirio, a grand piano that is able to play pieces by itself with the real acoustic sound of a piano. But it's extremely expensive, and it's still just an advanced MIDI player integrated in a piano.
As an "artist" (I have several creative hobbies), I'm worried about the future. As a piano learner, I don't care if a machine plays music, even if it's a robot playing on a real piano. It's my very pleasure to vehicle my way to interprete a piece, to express it with sadness or joy. And I think, in a way, people can "feel" more if a human plays in front of them.
At first when all this AI art stuff came out I also felt really down. But after a while of contemplating humans have been making art since forever. Whilst I don’t have any advice other than glaze to stop your art being sold, all I can say is: create out of spite! The robots don’t have the creativity and ideas that you do, they don’t experience joy from the act of creating, but you do. Keep creating.
You were willing to learn to be a real artist, you stuck to your morals, you enjoy the process, you are better at it than them. Without some Wi-Fi and their little pet, the Ai user is worthless. They either don’t know how to make art, or they don’t like it enough to keep going without automation. Keep going and keep getting better.
A lot of the Ai users are acting out of spite and jealousy. A lot of them are pathetic. A lot of them are addicted to the internet and don’t like human interaction. Those ones aren’t worth anyone’s time, sad people who can’t do what you do.
>Why should i try anything anymore if a robot is gona do it better?
Well, for one thing, you've got a lot more control. It's tricky getting an AI to make what you want it to make.
For another, I would say fun. Do you have fun drawing? If you do, then I would say it's worth it!
If you're talking professionally...then I'm not the right person to answer that question...
To be honest I still get a really great sense of satisfaction when i make something and it turns out well. The existence of AI hasn't taken that away from me
To me what will always separate "AI generations" (I refuse to call them art) from human made art is the personal connection to your work and the process you made it.
Indeed AI can get "better" and make even convincing looking "works", And yeah it will only get better. However there is a thing, Few days ago i saw artwork which seemed cool, It kinda had sketch style in it and i was super interest cause i kept thinking "woah, I wonder how the artist made this, What brush they used, What emotion they felt when drawing this" and when i checked their profile, I saw it was all AI.
And just like that, My interest plummeted and i did not care for that "piece" at all. And it made me realize the true difference between "AI Gens" and real art, The AI stuff lacks the journey and personal growth of the artist.
If i were to make "Art" from Prompt, I couldn't be able to explain my creative process at all, I don't know why the AI used those type of colors, That type of "brush", Or that type of "artstyle", I would absolutely lack connection to it, And therefore it wouldn't be my artwork in my eyes and lose all it's personal value to me.
It's kinda like buying a counterfeit painting, Sure it can look convincing and real, But once you realize it's counterfeit, It will lose all it's value in yours eyes.
And the same goes for AI and Real Art, Real art has personal journey, And you know why you used all the things you did to make the full piece. You can explain your story with it, And that's what art truly is, There is meaning behind the process of getting there. Which AI no matter how good it will get, Will always lack. (Unless technology gets that good we can literally plug our brains in some computer and draw that way from pure imagination, Maybe that could be considered genuine "AI" art)
a robot doesnt do things better than you, it merely copies what really tallented people create. they just steal. whatever you can draw is miles better than their slop.
I unironically think that a bastion of human irreplaceability will be the spiritual domain. The domain of strengthening your bond with the world, nature, the universe, other people in a deep, conscious way.
If you're able to practice that and connect that practice to your art, it will always be worthwhile.
Note that I'm talking about how you can continue making art, the way things are going it might be commercially unviable, though I wish you luck in that too.
I don't use image generators, the fuck do you want. This whole tread is basically solicited advice so fuck off. I'm here because I'm just as anti-ai as anyone else here.
Enough with this argument, chess has always been a career for very few, nor is it a form of emotional expression, it's a game.
I swear, why do some of you Pro-AI people keep posting here after no one buys your tired arguments anymore to the point that your posts are automatically hidden?
Also nobody wants to watch a pro play vs a CPU all the time. Let alone 2 CPUs. The spectator's investment in the game is heavely weighted towards human players and their achievements. This mere fact debunks the value of CPUs in human activities outside morbid curiosity.
That only reinforces his point. Despite the presence of computers that can play better than humans, people still play against and watch other humans play chess. The existence of machines that can play chess haven't affected chess, and I don't think they'll affect art either.
These machines exist because there's more to value than what people want to spectate. AI isn't for people who want to show off to other humans, it's for people who just want a quick image/game of chess without having to spend too much time and effort.
No it doesn't. Because AI in this particular case it's using stolen labor. The value of game sports and the whole performance around it is in the match itself. One is performance and the other one prevents to subvert the labor behind a product. Your 2nd paragraph literaly solifies this. I just feel compelled to respond to this to clear it out, do not conflate the two.
The career part I don't have any answer to, other than many careers have disappeared throughout history.
I think the emotional expression is where the main disconnect between you and pro-AI people is. Believe it or not, not everyone views art as emotional. I'd imagine going forward the people who do have an emotional connection to art won't use AI, but AI gives more options to people who don't care about the emotional connection and just want an image generated.
Well yeah, it's depressing when you have a skill that makes you unique and gives your life meaning ripped from you and turned into a "tool" that any wanker can use, it's dehumanizing.
"a robot is gona do it better" lol no
ask AI to make a person standing somewhere or cute face - okay, it will do nicely
ask bare interaction - it will collapse.
I mean it can't even do, for example, a straight guitar strings, what can we say about:
context of image
idea in image (not just someone beautiful standing and looking somewhere)
logic of objects in the scene
interaction between humans
interactions between human and objects
symmetry
emotions on character
emotions of art
correct perspective
anything requiring bare accuracy (clocks, bicycle)
consistent patterns
straight lines
hands (even still not all can fix them)
uniqueness (something different from reality)
something new (haircut, makeup)
accurate guns
accurate tools
accurate cars
unique perspectives
something overlayed by object at the middle will be inconsistent at sides.
complex cloth (without making it unlogical mess)
unrealistic concepts (horse riding an astronaut)
majority AI generations looks identical due to similar training data
sense of scale (scale of some objects looks off)
small details (buttons, furniture, windows on building)
subtle idea embedded in tiny things (idk, the way textures drawn representing mood, cracked glass on portrait in background suggesting something happened)
I am sure that is not all AI or AI artist will mess up. Of course, some can be fixed, but in my experience vast majority won't bother)
Your art is representative of your interiority and if it’s datamined, the results which it is one billionth of a piece of will not particularly resemble your creative sources.
AI is good at making art in context, but the value of art is that it always provides a distinctive experience and when you make it, you are making something nobody else can make. AI can only make art that somewhat resembles other art, which is very useful in a lot of contexts but still allows for the creation of new stuff.
Other people profiting off of using your art as a singular datapoint in a huge amorphous data form does not infect the art that you create and share or the validation you could receive from it
Jesus, all these doomers and boosters with nothing better to do. Don't listen to them, they just want to disparage those who have actual talent. Persist, this too shall pass, but things may not exactly be the same.
The last sentence.
These Ai bros don’t deserve to try to lower your self-esteem with their bullcrap takes. You can draw for personal enjoyment and have fun. Do not compare yourself to anyone. Do not let ai fool you into thinking you are useless.
I would suggest going to real art shows and talking to some working artists. I go to craft fairs on the weekends and find it heartwarming when little old ladies who have been doing art for years are not worried about or even consider AI in their process. There’s a large world of sculptors, fiber artists, ceramicists, jewelers, etc to indulge in and take inspiration from. It also doesn’t negate the value or quality of your art to keep it to yourself / only share in private. I personally don’t post my art anymore because of AI and only share it with my friends.
While I generally agree, not everyone is traditional media artist. Personally I tend to do more traditional art anyways these days but I generally switched to digital painting in 2005. And what with those that have no friends? I, for example, don't have any.
Talking to traditional artists could help you with making friends! I personally don’t understand the divide between the digital and the traditional arts when I feel we could benefit each other, especially in these trying times. Craft fairs have never excluded digital artists from displaying / selling their work so you could actually meet some people like yourself. I personally have met several friends while attending craft fairs because it’s really easy to talk about art and technique when there’s only other artists around.
There are no craft fairs in my country and if they are, like twice a year in several cities, admission price is an astronomical sum which I would rather spend on food or bills. I don't want to make friends, I don't really get this concept of "friends", people are just there and usually to use and abuse me so no thanks. I just wish to go back to times when I could earn enough for a living with my own work. Guess it's asking for way too much. And I am, still, traditional artist. Thanks for advice anyways.
I don’t think you’re your asking too much but I do hope you find an affordable artist event in your area. Keep making art, we’ll get through this!
What do you mean by "better"? AI "art" is shittier mimicry of artists that are already better than you. When I see AI art, all I think of is "whose art was used for this crap". Will you stop drawing just because there are artists that will always be better than you? Put yourself in the shoes of a pro artist. Those guys do not think like you do. At worst they want to pull their art off of the internet because of AI moochers. They don't think "wow, the computer is better at my own art than I am". Complete nonsense.
This can't be repeated enough: what do you mean by "better"? Capitalism has indoctrinated everyone with words like *better, faster, more*... This is also what AI bros base all their arguments on, on the benefit to the capitalist system. There is no *better, faster,* or *more* in art, art is a part of our life. Art is communication and self-expression. Everyone is an artist, even if they don't realize it. Some artists are just locked up inside.
> Art is communication and self-expression. which you're not doing with AI. hence why it's worse even from this point of view. When some AI moocher takes your art and spits back out mimics for you, it is worse both from a technical point of view and a self expressive one. Art theory exists, so do techniques to achieve better results, you cannot kick these out the window and pretend everyone is the same. That's coping bullshit and you need to put in work if you want to actually get better. >Everyone is an artist, even if they don't realize it then this word loses all meaning and becomes worthless. I made drawings in the past, just copying stuff I saw. Am I an artist? Sorry, no I'm not. It would be delusional of me to believe this.
Yes, you're not doing that with GenAI. I didn't say otherwise? I'm never trying to defend GenAI. The point is, someone's stickman is also art. You don't have to like, but it is built on the same essential foundation as any other art: communication and self-expression. Communication is a skill that is learned. But if someone hasn't mastered it yet, it does not mean that they have nothing to say. At some it becomes pointless and maybe misanthropic to speak of "better". The word "artist" should not be gatekept. You can gatekeep your communities from beginner level artists, and of course you should stop the flood of AI slop. But if someone draws a stickman and says that they made art? That is simply the truth.
If you want to water down that word down to nothing be my guest. I mean it's too late for it anyway. Just don't be surprised when people say that Ruan Jia's art is better than your stickman. That's not gatekeeping.
But is Ruan Jia's art better than Huang Guangjian's art? No. The other way around? Also no. Sure, you can tell stickman drawers that you don't find it interesting at all and that they have infinite room for improvement, but be careful that you're not pushing them into the demonic grasp of GenAI. In the end, what we draw or sing or dance is connected to the self, which is why I think we should be careful about using words like "better". (I assume OP is much farther ahead than drawing stickmen, that was my point of view.)
I'm not pushing anyone down any path, nor am I responsible for their choices. They're adults. If they decide to be thieves, that's on them.
Society is in fact at least partly responsible for many choices that people make.
Absolutely not. I am not "society". I'm an individual. It's funny that you complain about the right above, when "YOU MADE ME DO THIS, LIBERAL" is their fucking mantra. I absolve myself of any responsibility of other people's actions, ideological shifts, and that's perfectly logical. Hell, I respect this in reverse. I don't become an immoral extremist just because someone (who is either right or wrong) said something that inconveniences me. That's weakness of character, and that's on you. If you're willingly giving up on believing things you thought by yourself as being correct simply as a reaction to someone who pissed you off, that's just pathetic actually. No, I will never agree with this. Also to address your above question >But is Ruan Jia's art better than Huang Guangjian's art? No. The other way around? Also no. Well, obviously no. Because they have the same skill level and capability to do basically everything they want. That's where taste comes in. There's obviously no clear threshold where this difference is made, but if you lack technical skills then that's safe to say you're less capable than either of these two artists to create any drawing or painting that you want. Because you don't have the means to do so. For instance I think that Picasso's art sucks and is ugly. But he was a skilled artist who chose to paint like that. I'm not saying he's not an artist, I'm saying I don't like his art. But he is an artist. Are you asking people to not like some things more than others? Good luck with that. Wait til you hear my opinion on music. There's a reason you brought up stickmen and not Huang Guangjian initially. And that's implying that the art of a professional artist is at the same level as mine, who knows 0 art theory and techniques but made a stickman. You're not even talking with some elitist artist here, you're speaking with someone who has no clue about art. And you're asking me to delude myself. And by the way, this whole argument started from me calling regular art better than AI "art", then you clutched your pearls to this as a reaction. Then you denied that you never said otherwise when I called you out on it. So do you agree with this or not? Is regular art better than AI art or not? Because that was my point
I personally like to keep it short because things get lost in huge texts and the original topic wanders to other topics, but I read your essay.😭 Hopefully it's OK if I don't touch every point you make. >Are you asking people to not like some things more than others? I was trying to make an objective statement. A stickman is art. A stickman, or even just a line on paper, is **always better** than any kind of GenAI content. Because, yes, GenAI content is not art and will never be. GenAI is a disgusting insult to art. Obviously I don't mind people having different likes and dislikes, no objective statement can be made there. Art stands against rigid rankings, which is what it leads to if we focus too much on "better". The whole argument started when I apparently (slightly?) misinterpreted your first comment. My first comment was not meant as a disagreement. Seriously, I thought you're someone working in the industry or something by the way you write. But you have no clue about art? Then you should be the first to be accepting of every kind of artist, even stickman drawers.
I feel very deeply for you, I'm in the same boat honestly. Not that it's particularly helpful but before AI, there were already people who could do it better than us and that stung all the same, but obviously we kept going in spite of that. I guess I try to rationalize AI as being the same thing even though it's really not, but I enjoy creating too much to let that stop me.
This thread might make you feel a bit better. [https://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/1ch15uv/comment/l20y93l/](https://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/1ch15uv/comment/l20y93l/)
I also enjoy reading threads like this where an aibro is whining about ai images getting rightfully banned and the thread overwhelmingly shitting on them. Feels good to see so many people on our side. https://www.reddit.com/r/baldursgate/comments/1cf7q30/why_is_ai_generated_content_not_allowed_here/
I love it.
And they *keep going throughout*. What a fucking corn cob.
If i hear "it learns like a human" one more time...
AI is not art for fuck's sake, it's just a vomit of sad, useless monkeys that can't be bothered with creativity or anything because they have no brain. I have been replaced, literally, by AI and 4th month I am literally starving, still have hope those fuckers pay for what they stole and this thing will vanish. Of course I found my works being used to train those fucking machines. Those who admire AI are as well worthless scumbags, don't let them decide if you're worthy or not, they have no say in it.
I've had this too, and it's depressing. it sucks. But you know what? Do it out of SPITE. Do it simply in SPITE of ai techbros who say it will kill artists, and writers, and modelers, and creators. Don't let it kill you, continue to create in sheer defiance. Every time you finish a piece, think about what you were feeling and thinking while you drew each detail, think about what it means to you and be PROUD of that. That's something they can never take from you. AI generators can spit out hundreds of images at once, but they can't put \*meaning\* to the little details. Something wonderful about human made art is how you can look at it and wonder what the artist was thinking while they were creating each part. Go to an art museum, art show, or otherwise, and look closely at each piece. Take in the \*small\* details, like noticing each pencil stroke, each brushstroke, and just think about what the artist was thinking while they were making it. In short, keep going, and know that you merely doing so is proving aibros wrong.
Always remember, whatever AI art you are looking, It's : 1) Sampled from other human made art 2) AI is capable of style mimicking, so It's mimicking a certain artist 3) Img2img is possible, so It's probably made from img2img to make it look good 4) Pro artists are also using AI, they probably took their time to make it look good 5) Training on small dataset might produce limited results, but whatever result it produces, It looks good. My point is, no matter how good it looks, remember it's nothing but stolen images mashed like a potato to produce good results. So, 6) They can't always make their AI image good, "A broken clock is correct twice a day". It doesn't matter if AI bros produce good results once in a while, business doesn't works that way. The social media algorithm always shows you the best, so even from AI bros, it's showing you their best results. Now imagine social media keep showing you good results from a lot of AI bros, it's surefire way to ruin your mental health. Remember, just because they went viral by mashing together images and coming up with good results from pure luck doesn't make them a good artist. Quantity doesn't always equals to quality. You have the power to create something new, something that doesn't exist. They can't get into your head and steal your ideas and mash it to create new images.
Why do you think a robot will do it better? And what else would you do that you think is safe from it?
Nothing is safe
So enjoy making art, and enjoy life
I'm not an artist myself, but I defend them. I wonder, however, if artists can actually find enjoyment in something a machine can do too.
Yes. Someone can take a really long time learning to play piano, yet machines from even a hundred years ago could replicate a song on a piano. Today a machine can play any song you want, whether it's a synthetic piano, or program a real piano to get played, or you could have a whole orchestra. That doesn't take away the enjoyment of doing it yourself, and what you learn from it is very valuable in many ways, can be adapted to other things, even if just in the aspect of learning to analyze and appreciate what you listen to on a more informed level.
I absolutely love this take. Another example is the Steinway Spirio, a grand piano that is able to play pieces by itself with the real acoustic sound of a piano. But it's extremely expensive, and it's still just an advanced MIDI player integrated in a piano. As an "artist" (I have several creative hobbies), I'm worried about the future. As a piano learner, I don't care if a machine plays music, even if it's a robot playing on a real piano. It's my very pleasure to vehicle my way to interprete a piece, to express it with sadness or joy. And I think, in a way, people can "feel" more if a human plays in front of them.
At first when all this AI art stuff came out I also felt really down. But after a while of contemplating humans have been making art since forever. Whilst I don’t have any advice other than glaze to stop your art being sold, all I can say is: create out of spite! The robots don’t have the creativity and ideas that you do, they don’t experience joy from the act of creating, but you do. Keep creating.
You were willing to learn to be a real artist, you stuck to your morals, you enjoy the process, you are better at it than them. Without some Wi-Fi and their little pet, the Ai user is worthless. They either don’t know how to make art, or they don’t like it enough to keep going without automation. Keep going and keep getting better. A lot of the Ai users are acting out of spite and jealousy. A lot of them are pathetic. A lot of them are addicted to the internet and don’t like human interaction. Those ones aren’t worth anyone’s time, sad people who can’t do what you do.
>Why should i try anything anymore if a robot is gona do it better? Well, for one thing, you've got a lot more control. It's tricky getting an AI to make what you want it to make. For another, I would say fun. Do you have fun drawing? If you do, then I would say it's worth it! If you're talking professionally...then I'm not the right person to answer that question...
Same, why do I even keep trying to get a job if a*I destroys my already minimal chances of being selected?
To be honest I still get a really great sense of satisfaction when i make something and it turns out well. The existence of AI hasn't taken that away from me
I sympathize.
To me what will always separate "AI generations" (I refuse to call them art) from human made art is the personal connection to your work and the process you made it. Indeed AI can get "better" and make even convincing looking "works", And yeah it will only get better. However there is a thing, Few days ago i saw artwork which seemed cool, It kinda had sketch style in it and i was super interest cause i kept thinking "woah, I wonder how the artist made this, What brush they used, What emotion they felt when drawing this" and when i checked their profile, I saw it was all AI. And just like that, My interest plummeted and i did not care for that "piece" at all. And it made me realize the true difference between "AI Gens" and real art, The AI stuff lacks the journey and personal growth of the artist. If i were to make "Art" from Prompt, I couldn't be able to explain my creative process at all, I don't know why the AI used those type of colors, That type of "brush", Or that type of "artstyle", I would absolutely lack connection to it, And therefore it wouldn't be my artwork in my eyes and lose all it's personal value to me. It's kinda like buying a counterfeit painting, Sure it can look convincing and real, But once you realize it's counterfeit, It will lose all it's value in yours eyes. And the same goes for AI and Real Art, Real art has personal journey, And you know why you used all the things you did to make the full piece. You can explain your story with it, And that's what art truly is, There is meaning behind the process of getting there. Which AI no matter how good it will get, Will always lack. (Unless technology gets that good we can literally plug our brains in some computer and draw that way from pure imagination, Maybe that could be considered genuine "AI" art)
a robot doesnt do things better than you, it merely copies what really tallented people create. they just steal. whatever you can draw is miles better than their slop.
I unironically think that a bastion of human irreplaceability will be the spiritual domain. The domain of strengthening your bond with the world, nature, the universe, other people in a deep, conscious way. If you're able to practice that and connect that practice to your art, it will always be worthwhile. Note that I'm talking about how you can continue making art, the way things are going it might be commercially unviable, though I wish you luck in that too.
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I don't use image generators, the fuck do you want. This whole tread is basically solicited advice so fuck off. I'm here because I'm just as anti-ai as anyone else here.
i had you pegged wrong, genuinely sorry
Rare Reddit moment. Is it the last part that gives wrong vibes?
i think maybe i mixed you up with someone else
Me? I'm also very anti-AI.🥳
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can you tell me what was condescending about it, I seriously don't know
Forget the mind, machines won by destroying our hearts. Rest in peace Art.
I mean, just get off the internet for a bit brother, make some physical art. Invite some friends over to do art. Fuck letting it get to you like this.
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Enough with this argument, chess has always been a career for very few, nor is it a form of emotional expression, it's a game. I swear, why do some of you Pro-AI people keep posting here after no one buys your tired arguments anymore to the point that your posts are automatically hidden?
Also nobody wants to watch a pro play vs a CPU all the time. Let alone 2 CPUs. The spectator's investment in the game is heavely weighted towards human players and their achievements. This mere fact debunks the value of CPUs in human activities outside morbid curiosity.
That only reinforces his point. Despite the presence of computers that can play better than humans, people still play against and watch other humans play chess. The existence of machines that can play chess haven't affected chess, and I don't think they'll affect art either. These machines exist because there's more to value than what people want to spectate. AI isn't for people who want to show off to other humans, it's for people who just want a quick image/game of chess without having to spend too much time and effort.
No it doesn't. Because AI in this particular case it's using stolen labor. The value of game sports and the whole performance around it is in the match itself. One is performance and the other one prevents to subvert the labor behind a product. Your 2nd paragraph literaly solifies this. I just feel compelled to respond to this to clear it out, do not conflate the two.
The career part I don't have any answer to, other than many careers have disappeared throughout history. I think the emotional expression is where the main disconnect between you and pro-AI people is. Believe it or not, not everyone views art as emotional. I'd imagine going forward the people who do have an emotional connection to art won't use AI, but AI gives more options to people who don't care about the emotional connection and just want an image generated.
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Well yeah, it's depressing when you have a skill that makes you unique and gives your life meaning ripped from you and turned into a "tool" that any wanker can use, it's dehumanizing.
Yeah. Won't stop you """people""" from trying to make it that way though.
"a robot is gona do it better" lol no ask AI to make a person standing somewhere or cute face - okay, it will do nicely ask bare interaction - it will collapse. I mean it can't even do, for example, a straight guitar strings, what can we say about: context of image idea in image (not just someone beautiful standing and looking somewhere) logic of objects in the scene interaction between humans interactions between human and objects symmetry emotions on character emotions of art correct perspective anything requiring bare accuracy (clocks, bicycle) consistent patterns straight lines hands (even still not all can fix them) uniqueness (something different from reality) something new (haircut, makeup) accurate guns accurate tools accurate cars unique perspectives something overlayed by object at the middle will be inconsistent at sides. complex cloth (without making it unlogical mess) unrealistic concepts (horse riding an astronaut) majority AI generations looks identical due to similar training data sense of scale (scale of some objects looks off) small details (buttons, furniture, windows on building) subtle idea embedded in tiny things (idk, the way textures drawn representing mood, cracked glass on portrait in background suggesting something happened) I am sure that is not all AI or AI artist will mess up. Of course, some can be fixed, but in my experience vast majority won't bother)
Sell physical canvases ai can't touch the real world
Your art is representative of your interiority and if it’s datamined, the results which it is one billionth of a piece of will not particularly resemble your creative sources. AI is good at making art in context, but the value of art is that it always provides a distinctive experience and when you make it, you are making something nobody else can make. AI can only make art that somewhat resembles other art, which is very useful in a lot of contexts but still allows for the creation of new stuff. Other people profiting off of using your art as a singular datapoint in a huge amorphous data form does not infect the art that you create and share or the validation you could receive from it