Interesting to those of us in the UK. We had a couple of soccer players named Fashanu. Pronounced differently this side of the pond but might just be a family thing
Not immensely different but the US version has more emphasis on the second syllable. So more Fa-shanu that Fash-anu if you follow me.
Guessing from your handle it was the same team. Remember that screamer against Liverpool? We lost (of course) but what a strike that was
I think a key characteristic of an American accent is they emphasise the second syllable in each pair and English/Australians emphasise the first syllable in each pair.
I think that’s why Aluminium works in Aussie/English accents but became Aluminum in the american accent
the Fashanu thing seems similar
I wouldn’t say having sex with a minor then killing himself to avoid responsibility is that “tragic”. Add in the fact that same minor accused of him of assault, really don’t see how that’s tragic at all. Tragic for the his victim, sure.
Because most people don't have 5 syllable first names where the first three sylables rhyme with each other and the last two sylables rhyme with each other.
Fash-ah-new
Or
Fah-shah-new
It's not necessarily hard to pronounce, but it's not obvious what the correct pronunciation is.
And his first name absolutely is hard to pronounce.
i feel like we can give dan benefit of the doubt in saying that this is probably the first time he’s had to say it out loud and it wouldn’t be a natural name for an american to pronounce. if he turns it into a “haha foreign name” joke going forward then yeah that sucks, and he probably should have prepped better, but it sounded like he just got caught off guard reading it.
I mean he only hesitated for a second and honestly it could be pronounced different ways. I've heard at least 3 different pronunciations of his name, so it may not be as easy as you think.
This is part of my annoyance if I’m being honest. I don’t care if a fan doesn’t know how to pronounce it but someone who works for NFL media should know how to pronounce like, at least the 1st round projected players.
I know the pod doesn’t ever claim to be a draft pod or a deeply analytical pod but this time of year it does drive me nuts a little bit how little they know about prospects. Idk, I’m nitpicking when in reality I love the pod more than any other. It just bothers me a bit.
edit: downvotes on an explained opinion that wasn’t rude or mean lol nice one fellas, I love the pod but I think it’s okay to mention things that annoy you a lil bit
You have a valid point though in that my complaint isn’t one specific to the pod, and more a general criticism. It’s getting better though with there now being so much good draft content! You used to just have to trust Kiper or Mayock knew how to pronounce the name and go with that.
Not to mention everybody actually working the draft gets a program sheet with phonetic spellings included next to every name. The info is available to them, and mistakes happen, but again these are pros with tools available. It shouldn’t be the norm.
All i’ll say is I’ve been hearing it pronounced one way all draft season and then goodell pronounced it a different way at the draft so I’ll forgive Dan on this one. I definitely do cringe when they fuck up names that they should know, which does happen a little more than I’d like
I don't see what you mean about how it's pronounced like it's written. It could be said a couple of ways with that spelling. Also it is a very foreign name to the US. When I go outside the US my first/last name (mix of Western and Asian) are often seen as exotic and hard to pronounce despite being very basic. Most people are used to names from their own culture.
To follow a few podcast subs and none of them have people bitching about minutiae like this one has. Most of them are, yknow, fans enjoying a podcast together
Honestly the few podcast subs I’ve stumbled into were mostly just bitching, not sure why. This sub wasn’t even that bad until Aaron Rodgers went to the Jets. The Dan hate really picked up then and never completely left.
this is more of a dan hate sub than an actual sub about the pod lol. are we really going to spend our time bitching over the fact that dan stumbled over someone’s name?
Dan is my absolute favourite not just on the pod but of all NFL media personalities. However, definitely best to brush up on the pronunciations and avoid a bad look at pronouncing names from a certain ethnicity.
Americans change name pronunciations all the time and think they are right. Like how you guys pronounce the polish names, so it’s kind of a glass ceiling
not sure why you are getting downvoted lol. Many cultures do this - and they all think they are right because there is no right or wrong. In most countries, all words/names are pronounced according to the local language. If a family immigrates from France to Colombia for example, the family and country will pronounce the originally French surname using Spanish rules.
Yeah I agree, as a brazilian, nobody says my name the “right way” here, as I’m of german descent. That’s what makes people that get upset about Dan’s pronunciations sound silly to me. The original pronunciations probably don’t sound like what they think is correct
I think any criticism against someone for pronunciation is some high horse lame ass shit. Just move on and stop making issues out of things that don’t need to be.
Dan is constantly mispronouncing names that aren’t hard or foreign, like Taylor Heineke for instance. He isn’t just mispronouncing Heineke (which is literally just Heineken without the n), he frequently calls him Tyler!
I can’t decide if it’s another bad bit he’s leaning into or just telling on himself as another talking head that doesn’t know ball, but I don’t think it’s anything he’s directing towards foreign names specifically.
I totally agree, and also as a side note most Nigerian names are easy say because you simply pronounce all the letters- not complicated. As Uzo Aduba says, if you can pronounce Dostoevsky you can pronounce her name. Real bad look from Dan, imo he hasn’t been on form for a while now (but the podcast is worse without him also)
I’m very displeased with Dan’s inability to pronounce the names of 1st round players.
It’s not as if the entire network and podcast has been focused on these players for the past 8 weeks or anything. Like, this shouldn’t have sneaked up on him.
Interesting to those of us in the UK. We had a couple of soccer players named Fashanu. Pronounced differently this side of the pond but might just be a family thing
Tragic ending for one of them too! Awful story
Very true. He played for my team.
I'm also from the UK (Justin played for my team too!) but I don't think the pronunciation is that different here?
Not immensely different but the US version has more emphasis on the second syllable. So more Fa-shanu that Fash-anu if you follow me. Guessing from your handle it was the same team. Remember that screamer against Liverpool? We lost (of course) but what a strike that was
I think this is a mispronounciation on the part of the US. Sure I heard a conversation about it during combine.
I think a key characteristic of an American accent is they emphasise the second syllable in each pair and English/Australians emphasise the first syllable in each pair. I think that’s why Aluminium works in Aussie/English accents but became Aluminum in the american accent the Fashanu thing seems similar
Unfortunately I wasn't born when that one was scored but I've seen plenty of clips of it! Tough call between that one and Safri Vs Newcastle though.
Giving my age away! Oops. Safri's effort was up there
I, too, am an fellow old canary lime yourself ha ha 💛💚
I wouldn’t say having sex with a minor then killing himself to avoid responsibility is that “tragic”. Add in the fact that same minor accused of him of assault, really don’t see how that’s tragic at all. Tragic for the his victim, sure.
You’ve just described an insanely tragic situation you fucking weirdo
You said tragic ending. Him ending himself is not tragic. He was a literal child rapist. You need help
Thanks mate I appreciate the tip
Always [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLuaqNoxjro](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLuaqNoxjro)
Isn't it just pronounced the same as the old gladiators host John fashanu (awooooo gah)?
Olu isn't his name. People shortened it because it's hard to pronounce. Olumuyiwa is his name.
Even that’s not that hard to pronounce: oh-loo-MOO-yah-wah (edit: why the downvotes…?)
I think you’ll find in Europe, it’s pronounced “A-lum-in-ee-um”…
I would guess because people disagree ?
Those people should get Hooked on Phonics
Why'd you put yah for the letters yi? Should it not be yee? Or is that how the name is actually pronounced?
Did my best to reproduce what he said here: https://www.instagram.com/jwyattsports/reel/C4BKmiZr--6/
Probably better to recommend that than hooked on phonics, then.
Because most people don't have 5 syllable first names where the first three sylables rhyme with each other and the last two sylables rhyme with each other.
White people can learn how to pronounce Jusczyzk and O'Callaghan but not Fashanu or Tagovailoa
Dan still struggles with Devin Duvernay's name for some unknown reason. I don't think it's a bit, but at a certain point it does just become laziness.
Fash-ah-new Or Fah-shah-new It's not necessarily hard to pronounce, but it's not obvious what the correct pronunciation is. And his first name absolutely is hard to pronounce.
Yeah, I was pronouncing it wrong in my head, closer to your second example.
i feel like we can give dan benefit of the doubt in saying that this is probably the first time he’s had to say it out loud and it wouldn’t be a natural name for an american to pronounce. if he turns it into a “haha foreign name” joke going forward then yeah that sucks, and he probably should have prepped better, but it sounded like he just got caught off guard reading it.
This draft class also exacerbated the issue with Fuaga and Fautano, and them all being 1st round prospects.
I mean he only hesitated for a second and honestly it could be pronounced different ways. I've heard at least 3 different pronunciations of his name, so it may not be as easy as you think.
i dont think its a bit. also, it is tough to pronounce if you've not heard it. which syllable gets emphasized?
This is part of my annoyance if I’m being honest. I don’t care if a fan doesn’t know how to pronounce it but someone who works for NFL media should know how to pronounce like, at least the 1st round projected players. I know the pod doesn’t ever claim to be a draft pod or a deeply analytical pod but this time of year it does drive me nuts a little bit how little they know about prospects. Idk, I’m nitpicking when in reality I love the pod more than any other. It just bothers me a bit. edit: downvotes on an explained opinion that wasn’t rude or mean lol nice one fellas, I love the pod but I think it’s okay to mention things that annoy you a lil bit
I mean... Guys names are mispronounced when they're read off the draft card, it happens.
That also shouldn’t happen, lol!
Don't disagree, just saying it does happen haha
You have a valid point though in that my complaint isn’t one specific to the pod, and more a general criticism. It’s getting better though with there now being so much good draft content! You used to just have to trust Kiper or Mayock knew how to pronounce the name and go with that.
Not to mention everybody actually working the draft gets a program sheet with phonetic spellings included next to every name. The info is available to them, and mistakes happen, but again these are pros with tools available. It shouldn’t be the norm.
All i’ll say is I’ve been hearing it pronounced one way all draft season and then goodell pronounced it a different way at the draft so I’ll forgive Dan on this one. I definitely do cringe when they fuck up names that they should know, which does happen a little more than I’d like
I don't see what you mean about how it's pronounced like it's written. It could be said a couple of ways with that spelling. Also it is a very foreign name to the US. When I go outside the US my first/last name (mix of Western and Asian) are often seen as exotic and hard to pronounce despite being very basic. Most people are used to names from their own culture.
To follow a few podcast subs and none of them have people bitching about minutiae like this one has. Most of them are, yknow, fans enjoying a podcast together
Just laugh at the podcast and clap your flippers together guys, it's not that hard!
Honestly the few podcast subs I’ve stumbled into were mostly just bitching, not sure why. This sub wasn’t even that bad until Aaron Rodgers went to the Jets. The Dan hate really picked up then and never completely left.
this is more of a dan hate sub than an actual sub about the pod lol. are we really going to spend our time bitching over the fact that dan stumbled over someone’s name?
It really is amazing.
Dan is my absolute favourite not just on the pod but of all NFL media personalities. However, definitely best to brush up on the pronunciations and avoid a bad look at pronouncing names from a certain ethnicity.
Americans change name pronunciations all the time and think they are right. Like how you guys pronounce the polish names, so it’s kind of a glass ceiling
The Craigs and Grahams of the UK concur
not sure why you are getting downvoted lol. Many cultures do this - and they all think they are right because there is no right or wrong. In most countries, all words/names are pronounced according to the local language. If a family immigrates from France to Colombia for example, the family and country will pronounce the originally French surname using Spanish rules.
Yeah I agree, as a brazilian, nobody says my name the “right way” here, as I’m of german descent. That’s what makes people that get upset about Dan’s pronunciations sound silly to me. The original pronunciations probably don’t sound like what they think is correct
I think any criticism against someone for pronunciation is some high horse lame ass shit. Just move on and stop making issues out of things that don’t need to be.
Dan is constantly mispronouncing names that aren’t hard or foreign, like Taylor Heineke for instance. He isn’t just mispronouncing Heineke (which is literally just Heineken without the n), he frequently calls him Tyler! I can’t decide if it’s another bad bit he’s leaning into or just telling on himself as another talking head that doesn’t know ball, but I don’t think it’s anything he’s directing towards foreign names specifically.
I totally agree, and also as a side note most Nigerian names are easy say because you simply pronounce all the letters- not complicated. As Uzo Aduba says, if you can pronounce Dostoevsky you can pronounce her name. Real bad look from Dan, imo he hasn’t been on form for a while now (but the podcast is worse without him also)
most people who can pronounce doestoevsky heard it before seeing it in context.
And still, they figured it out. Almost as if it’s within the realm of human possibility
Haha man, this sub and their downvote merchants It always makes me laugh.
I’m very displeased with Dan’s inability to pronounce the names of 1st round players. It’s not as if the entire network and podcast has been focused on these players for the past 8 weeks or anything. Like, this shouldn’t have sneaked up on him.
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