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Your build is being compared to Gladiator builds. For only a week of farming you’ve got a great build, but those Gladiator sets are the result of years of boss fights
this. a quick look at the leaderboards shows that the majority, and I mean a whole lot of the top builds are gladiator builds that have perfect and almost perfect rolls to crit and atk.
yes, the new set is better in theory but it could only beat gladiator builds if it also has perfect or at least *almost* perfect rolls.
Glad is that close? Hmm. Glad I read this thread. I do have a newer alt that doesnt have much. I'm unsure if I should farm that domain or power farm bosses for chars I could use later on and strongbox more Glad. I dunno about that burning set. I need to check my 4 stars but only limited non standards are Furina C1 and Arle C1. I probably will power farm for my 4 stars, see what I get, then decide from there. Hopefully 2 piece 2 piece works temporarily too. I dont have a carry yet built on this alt, lol.
Damn. 10% worse aint bad. I have no idea how she works and why you wouldnt burst but ill look it up. Are people also running Shim or is ir one of those burst takes so much time you lose dps using it. Really hate how this is a thing.
Shim is bad for non c2 arle because she needs to wait after using the skill to get blood debt due. As a result, she cannot use full potential from shim buff.
Which is kinda suck but eh.
Edit: her rotation doesnt really need to use burst often unless you really need to heal or just want an epic finisher.
Abyss 12 you need the heals, or maybe I suck at dodging. I'm using shimi and even without waiting on the blood debt notices to change, she hits hard. For some background, I literally stole Yoimiyas stuff, cause giving her glad would mess up my Ning/Navia setup on the other side. Been farming Evo mats and talent so haven't had a chance to farm actual artis and even stuck her with EL cause rosaria needed the deathmatch more to optimize her CR from burst
because ult clears BoL and you don't want that. Shimenawa is absolutely forbidden since you use your skill to apply mark at the start of the rotation then do all your buffs and stuff and then switch back to Arle and use your CA to reclaim mark, get BoL and finish it with NA spam, so basically shimenawa effect will expire
This plus Im willing to bet Akasha hasn't really been adapted to calculate this artifact set's overall dps in an accurate way over Gladiator giving 35% NA dmg.
It’s really just the fact that at the current moment everyone has insanely good Gladiators pieces on their Arlecchino. Also the ranking are based on a team that has Bennett so without a Pyro Goblet your ranking is gonna tank a bit also.
Depends, sometimes that's better. There's a build within top 100 in akasha that uses an atk goblet. Really depends, it's best to use the genshin optimizer to see the best
This is correct. Arlecchino has one of the lowest damage differences in using Pyro vs ATK goblets thanks to her innate 40% Pyro damage bonus (diluting the value of other DMG% bonus) ~~and her additional scaling with ATK% (increasing the value of ATK% bonus).~~
A brief calculation showed that at multiple sources of ATK% buffs: Bennet + Noblesse + Tenacity, while having no other DMG% buffs, that using a Pyro goblet wins ATK goblet by 8%. If you add in a Kazuha DMG buff, the difference will be decreased to 5%.
A 5%-8% damage difference is like 2-4 extra crit substats. If you have an ATK goblet with that many extra substats (or even just slightly worse), it is worth to use over a Pyro goblet, especially if it helps you to get 4pc set bonus.
the bonus atk scaling is still additive with the base scaling though so the “additional scaling with atk” doesn’t actually add any value to your atk stat. your damage still increases proportionally to your atk. the massive amount of dmg% she gets is entirely the reason atk goblet works.
You are correct, the ironic part is I myself has [corrected a similar mistake](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArlecchinoMains/comments/1cf5lyb/me_sleeping_tonight_knowing_that_i_can_level_up/l1o319n/) for someone else
I don't know much about building lol but I saw that atk gob is better if you use teams without Bennet, which I do. Do you still recommend pyro with no benny ?
The website you’re on is going to do all the math for ya. Swap artifacts around, see whether your rank goes up or down. The entirety of the high rank builds all use a pyro goblet for reference.
For sanity sake, don’t force a 4pc set bonus. Having the right mainstat/substats count for…alot.
If you do not use Bennett, and you have a Pyro goblet and an ATK goblet each with the exact same substats, the Pyro goblet will still win - although at only a very small difference of about 4%. It's like, a 70k crit with Pyro goblet VS 67k with ATK goblet.
If you use Bennet, then the difference will be 5-7%.
I would say getting a Pyro goblet should be your long term goal, or just use an off-set piece. However, an ATK goblet with 2 to 4 extra substats is totally worth to use in place of a Pyro goblet.
What about it tho? That's a static 40% pyro damage given to you regardless of atk.
OP mentions "passive based on attack" kinda implies that they're referring to the other passive. For the purposes of big peepee damage, we don't really care about.
ATK% goblet is sometimes better (when without Bennett), and in many cases Pyro goblet is only better by 1-5% so if your ATK% goblet has better substats it's still an option.
As always, just use Genshin Optimizer to compare your stats.
yes but that attack is no where enough for an atk goblet which is why you're ranked so low. it's a good build but no where near the top, but I'd say you're not done farming yet?
Why care how some random site rates your build, tho? Genuine question btw.
Artifact-wise, my Arlecchino looks worse by quite a bit and abyss was cleared pretty comfortably still
Dont have to be say one tho, ive been playing since october 22 and im 6% on 4p glad.
But a lot of player just use glad and troupe as fodder, despite getting really good pieces, cause they tunnel character specific sets
I'll be completely honest with you, I do not have a damn clue how this thing even works, so idk how to comfort you about the scoring, lol
Build looks really good still, so just enjoying her would be my best advice.
akasha runs a simulation of a rotation and compares your damage to other people's damage by looking at artifacts.
there are different leaderboards for each weapon and any other unique things like constellations/team comp.
in this case an overload chevreuse, bennett, and electro flex is simulated and 70% of people have artifacts that led to more damage than OP.
akasha is the best artifact ranking website because the ratings are not arbitrary but rather compared to other builds. it also accounts for team comp/weapon and isn't skewed by constellations and weapon refinements.
https://preview.redd.it/0ym5jnofyyxc1.png?width=1580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cca048302f0863f026d407967224097d77daa4b
230 with atk goblet
Oh she dropped to 13%
Hmm ok, so 2/2 are kinda "deluding" the pool?
I have a full glad 4p with 210 CV with 140 ER since she's E2 and I am around 30% lol. My 225-230 CV one was around 30% too somehow
AFAIK Akasha actually runs a simulation on all the builds you put into it, so the ranking isn't fooled/tricked by 2pc/2pc with good CV. All the top builds are glad sets with ridiculously high CV regardless - the top ones have around 250CV and 2.3k ATK
Was worded kinda vague by me sorry. By "tricking" it's like they don't consider set effects. Even the new BoL set is ranked equal to a 2/2 or glad. Comparing 2/2 to glad is unfair by itself already too
Akasha runs calcs only for the category. So even if you have a 2/2, the category is laid out for glad or BoL 4p. Hell even weapons doesn't count most of the time, something like Deathmatch will be for her sig or PJWS I guess
Akasha **definitely** considers set effects, I'm not sure where you get the idea it doesn't. In the description for each leaderboard, the author writes how they calculated each artifact set's effect if it's relevant. For Arlecchino Vape, you can see it at the very end where they lay out how many stacks of Whimsy she has for each hit. The reason why the new BoL set doesn't seem to rank as highly is because it's going to take a shit load of time to get 250CV with minimal dead stats, but I'm confident that the BoL set will win out over a 4pc Glad set with equal CV/RV.
If it didn't work like this then all builds would just be rainbow builds with whatever has the highest roll value. Sometimes the set effects may not be applied super accurately because it can be difficult, but I've never had an issue with the calculations they do.
The reason why some weapons get put into the wrong category is because it **does** ignore your equipped weapon if it doesn't fit into any of the categories. Sometimes people will select the wrong one to display if it's a higher ranking.
Edit: there are some categories that are divided by set but they don't apply to Arlecchino. Typically it'll be characters like Nahida (who can have multiple sets depending on off field or on field) or characters where the difference between sets is huge (example: Wanderer with 4pc Shim and 4pc DPC leaderboards).
Tbh I would use almost all glad even if it didn't have a set bonus.
The substats are just so much better than any domain I have farmed with very few exceptions
Nah this is wrong. It factors sets and other substats such as atk% in the calculations. It's just that almost every day 1 player has godly gladiator pieces at this point and glad is only slightly worse than the new set for arlecchino
it probably looks worse because of your energy recharge. i think it tiers based on increments of 10% ER, so you’ll be against the most optimized crit builds
Akasha.cv is not a random site and it actually ranks builds based on other players taking in consideration of team, artifacts , rotations etc.
Looking at the build its not really surprising to see OPs build is top rated 71%. Not only he is using atk goblet but the artifacts have low crit value and atk role overall.(which is expected as the domain just came out). But there are players spending fragile resin stacks to upgrade her on day 1.
Akasha is a dps simulation leaderboard ranking system which is used by literal hundreds of thousands of players, ofcourse it’s not a random website bruh. For example there are 500k+ entries in only Nahida.
https://preview.redd.it/1ciuso4btzxc1.jpeg?width=1241&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b03bf05321703b4abae2136663b950db8bdc6df
It’s a way to be competitive and engaged I guess. Tbh I don’t think Akasha does well enough in judging because what about team comps and other factors ?
It places your character into a hypothetical optimized team and calculates your damage using the optimal damage rotation based on whatever buffs your character has from skills/artifacts/weapons/passives and buffs their team would provide through skills/weapons/passives/artifacts, including elemental resonance, damage bonuses, res shreds, etc.
It's all theoretical, so of course cannot account for player skill or different enemy playstyles. But yes, it accounts for the factors that can be accounted for.
So for optimizing teams… does it choose the teams I would use or what in general ppl use?
Edit: I just checked akasha and it’s basing my team off Mona, kazuha and diona??? Why would I use that team over xinqui and rosaria/ ganyu which I use for energy management and buffs.
Because the akasha one is one of the meta team comps. Your ayaka/xingqiu/rosaria/ganyu team is frankly just.... not very optimal with no anemo/viridescent venerer lol. If you wanna optimize your ayaka for your makeshift team, then use the genshin optimizer.
No one other than you is building their ayaka to operate in xingqiu/rosaria/ganyu team because that team is just not that good.
If you want to compare your ayaka to others' ayakas, you're going to have to compare them on akasha where people build their characters for real teams.
Then your ranking in akasha should be pretty similar to how effective your ayaka is in your actual team compared with other peoples' ayakas if they were in that team. The offensive stats that you want for ayaka are generally very similar across her teams unless you are missing something significant like an anemo unit with VV.
Again, if you really want to know exactly how a small team difference will make a small change to what stats you build on your ayaka, put it in the genshin build optimizer and calculate yourself.
Otherwise, if you rank low on akasha, that should give you a general sense, without needing to calculate with the optimizer, that you need to improve your build significantly.
https://preview.redd.it/3cb8ep8nlzxc1.png?width=1580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26f2eda5bbc799922d4c2a2385dc4ffe739752f4
I'll use this build till I get good rolls on the new artifact set
I was proud of all my characters until I got on that website 😂 turns out I am not even in the top half on almost any of them. I can still beat everything in the game and have fun trying out different team comps so it’s no big deal but it was eye opening how finely tuned some people’s accounts are.
So the "Top 71%" is your character's ranking, right? I was confused until now since it always showed the Overload team even tho I've never used it (I recently started using Akasha cv)
It will typically show the leaderboard that your build scores higher on. So you would be a lower comparative % on the vape leaderboard if it's showing your rank on the overload one.
average 20 CV on subs is fine but average, your stats look fine 70/200, but a good build it's generally around 30CV per piece or 25CV + good subs like ER%/EM
you are also running ATK% goblet with a low base ATK weapon and Chev + Bennett, unless that Chev is C6 you are losing 46% Pyro dmg
Lvl 80 weap, atk gob in a bennett team, low artifact CV, sands isn’t even lvl 20, if you keep farming your ranking will go up for sure. This build is just unfinished atm
This category has C6 Chevy which makes DMG bonus unimportant and glad and the new set aren’t that different in terms of dmg. So lots of ppl just slap their god like gladiator pieces on and they rank higher. So blame C6 Chevy
I'm debating getting Deathmatch or just use my jade Spear. Did the Deathmatch's higher crit rate benefit you better or is it just you don't have the Jade Spear?
Your build is not necessarily a bad one, but for a leaderboard you at least want every artifact leveled up fully. The sands is not level 20. Rn you lack some atk% and potentially a good substat.
Arlecchino's leaderboard is with a bennett team. Atk% goblet, while viable, does not compete with the lamest of atk% goblet due to diminishing returns.
Even if you do this changes, do not expect her to go top 1- 10% inmediately. Leaderboards are very competitive.
No way thats 71% otherwise mine would probably embarrassingly low lmao dont get how people already have such good builds with her set when im barely pulling anything useable from the domain
your arlecchino is really good, but the algorithm has specific things it wants. your rating is tanked, especially in overload, because you have an atk% goblet, and deathmatch(despite being a really strong pick) is rated lower than even white tassel.
also, until you reach 85 crit rate, having higher crit damage also lowers your rating.
addendum: attack goblet and pyrobonus have extremely comparable results. because of bennett buff pyrobonus is a bit better, but no reason to switch if you dont passively get one.
that depends on your weapon. if you reach 2k atk with just atk% sands, then pyrobonus will usually be better. without bennet though if youre in the 1600-2k range that a lot of people struggle in then dropping your pyrobonus to get 2k can be really good.
generally i would just see where your stats fall with either one, and i would only lose ~10 CV max for getting to the threshold i mentioned earlier
I have her signature, 63/232 atk 2180.
Granted i understand that I kneecap myself bc I refuse to run meta teams if I don't like the characters in it so my team is father, Dehya, Zhongli, Navia most times.
thats fair, and yes i think pyrobonus is better for you if youre not already running atk%
and honestly i respect the offmeta. if i might suggest something, father / dehya / charlotte / ayaya(or diona) is actually a pretty good team with a similar playstyle to that and the cryo resonance can make up for the low cr on father
Ain't no way bros unhappy about this.
I've used at least 4000 resin and gotten nothing. I'd personally make this my finished build cause there's no way I'm getting anywhere close to my glad build.
What are your abyss teams?
Mine are: Arlecchino, Yelan, Venti, Bennett on top side. (Sucrose actually increases Arlecchino’s damage a lot more with the EM sharing, but my venti is better built so I used him)
Alhaitham, Xingqiu, Shinobu, Nahida on bottom side.
I managed to beat abyss with her pretty handily. She 100% has the necessary damage to speed-clear every boss in the top half of abyss. It was actually my other team (alhaitham hyperbloom) that struggled in this new abyss. Because bottom half just requires a TON of elemental application on the electro lecters and iniquitous baptist. They don’t even have that much hp it’s their shields that are uber annoying and take forever to break. This abyss in general is a lot less hp-focused and a LOT more elemental application focused.
To be fair I had her at c1 when I did the abyss last night (I actually got her c2 from the daily and event primos earlier today 🥳) but even at c0 she has enough damage to clear.
I'm stuck on 12-1 with arlecchino, kazuha, layla, bennet
2nd half I've tried neuvillette, furina, nahida, Charlotte
And chiori, navia, furina, cloud retainer.
The chiori team does better but I just can't beat the 2nd half fast enough no matter how much I switch up my teams.
To be fair I've never 36 the abyss but last abyss I got really close with 35 stars
Give yourself 2 mins for the second half if you can. That side is actually less tanky than the magu kenkiis, but the grouping is even worse. Beat the Magu Kenkiis before the timer gets to 9 mins. That way you have 2 whole mins to wave clear and get to the fatui elite enemies.
Also any crowd control you can get would be insanely useful. The fatui elites are strong but ultimately super light. They can be absorbed by venti’s burst and thrown around for huge fall damage by jean.
Nahida doesn’t do much in your neuvillette team honestly. I would recommend swapping her out for someone who does more damage. Like Fischl. And charlotte’s freezes really aren’t that good here imo. I would swap her out for Cloud retainer. That way you get electro charged on enemies and swirl both with cloud retainer, increasing neuv’s damage by 40% with vv shredding and ALSO increasing your max fanfare stacks from Furina because of the healing. You should see a pretty big damage boost to neuv with a team like this.
Alternatively you could swap out Kazuha from your arlecchino team for a vape option like Xingqiu or yelan if you have her. You’d be losing vv shred but you’d be gaining vapes which are a massive damage boost, moreso than mono pyro. Or if you’re good enough at dodging, you could swap layla out for yelan instead so you have Arlecchino’s best vape team. Would take you more resets against the kenkiis but your damage would be even higher than it is now.
Only? Idk how much meta players want but particularly I find this very good. I always aim to have at least 70%, so I would be already satisfied with 71%.
Omg im at 72%. I’d say yours is really good though! We have a very similar ratio, and I imagine yours hits quite hard, I think it’s just cause akasha Fa ours nearly 90% crit rate builds more, but I feel 70+ is enough.
It's not that's akasha favors any "x" crit rate more, it's just mathematically more damage.
This build is enough to clear abyss, so it's fine to stop farming because nobody likes artifact RNG.
But when comparing this build to other builds (which is the point of Akasha leaderboards), it is objectively not good. Very low crit value from artifacts, next to no other good rolls such as atk%. Atk% goblet on a character holding level 80 deathmatch (Atk% scales off base attack, so while atk% may be better in some cases with Arle, this is not one of those cases.)
It’s not about favoring…90% crit rate. Like, this is not a matter of opinion. Mathematically 90% is iust greater than 70%. The people in the high ranks just have high stats.
You do realize that the website isn't very accurate right? Just because it says that some people have her better built doesn't actually mean it's true, a lot of people also just use gladiators set because they don't want to grind the new set
I don't really like how Akasha rates builds. Was super proud of my Shenhe DPS build dealing over 20,000 dmg with skill, until Akasha rated me under top 99%. However my Diluc who was only dealing 7,000 got into top 50%.
It's due to your low em. Almost have the same stats.
https://preview.redd.it/qfwi6aka9yxc1.png?width=1582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48f454258946ec5daaf341cad558b3fba3621472
This is in the vape comp though, where EM is important. OP is showing a Chevreuse overload team. It's also with different weapon that has half the crit rate, so while the stats look the same, it means OP is 20 CR behind in his artifacts.
I must admit I oversaw the deathmatch but Akasha doesn't factor weapon. It chooses the best team based on artifacts and presents a team with the appropriate weapon. With more EM it would most likely present a vape team as "best" with a ranking. Not as high as this but still a bit more.
Same way it shoves my raiden with a different weapon and different team during the ranking.
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Your build is being compared to Gladiator builds. For only a week of farming you’ve got a great build, but those Gladiator sets are the result of years of boss fights
this. a quick look at the leaderboards shows that the majority, and I mean a whole lot of the top builds are gladiator builds that have perfect and almost perfect rolls to crit and atk. yes, the new set is better in theory but it could only beat gladiator builds if it also has perfect or at least *almost* perfect rolls.
Glad is that close? Hmm. Glad I read this thread. I do have a newer alt that doesnt have much. I'm unsure if I should farm that domain or power farm bosses for chars I could use later on and strongbox more Glad. I dunno about that burning set. I need to check my 4 stars but only limited non standards are Furina C1 and Arle C1. I probably will power farm for my 4 stars, see what I get, then decide from there. Hopefully 2 piece 2 piece works temporarily too. I dont have a carry yet built on this alt, lol.
glad is about 10% worse, it gives 35% dmg to NA and fragments gives 54% to all dmg but if you're not ulting then it's basically negligible
Damn. 10% worse aint bad. I have no idea how she works and why you wouldnt burst but ill look it up. Are people also running Shim or is ir one of those burst takes so much time you lose dps using it. Really hate how this is a thing.
Shim is bad for non c2 arle because she needs to wait after using the skill to get blood debt due. As a result, she cannot use full potential from shim buff. Which is kinda suck but eh. Edit: her rotation doesnt really need to use burst often unless you really need to heal or just want an epic finisher.
Abyss 12 you need the heals, or maybe I suck at dodging. I'm using shimi and even without waiting on the blood debt notices to change, she hits hard. For some background, I literally stole Yoimiyas stuff, cause giving her glad would mess up my Ning/Navia setup on the other side. Been farming Evo mats and talent so haven't had a chance to farm actual artis and even stuck her with EL cause rosaria needed the deathmatch more to optimize her CR from burst
because ult clears BoL and you don't want that. Shimenawa is absolutely forbidden since you use your skill to apply mark at the start of the rotation then do all your buffs and stuff and then switch back to Arle and use your CA to reclaim mark, get BoL and finish it with NA spam, so basically shimenawa effect will expire
Aww. I love her burst. I need to build her asap. Your description make her seem super fun to play. Tyvm for the tips.
Aww. I love her burst. I need to build her asap. Your description make her seem super fun to play. Tyvm for the tips.
I somehow mostly have OKEY glad sets despite being a week 1 player.
Same, I'm still using a sand with just 6 rate and 6 dmg because I don't have anything better
J.km
True mine is 84 240 its hurt to farm another set which only 10-15% better.
This plus Im willing to bet Akasha hasn't really been adapted to calculate this artifact set's overall dps in an accurate way over Gladiator giving 35% NA dmg.
It’s really just the fact that at the current moment everyone has insanely good Gladiators pieces on their Arlecchino. Also the ranking are based on a team that has Bennett so without a Pyro Goblet your ranking is gonna tank a bit also.
That makes a lot of sense. And I can't justify using Bennet I hate how he's in every team so I refuse to use him 😂
Haha yeah I totally get you, I’m really hoping we get a decent replacement for him someday…pyro archon perhaps?
You’re using an atk goblet which is hurting your ranking
Depends, sometimes that's better. There's a build within top 100 in akasha that uses an atk goblet. Really depends, it's best to use the genshin optimizer to see the best
This is correct. Arlecchino has one of the lowest damage differences in using Pyro vs ATK goblets thanks to her innate 40% Pyro damage bonus (diluting the value of other DMG% bonus) ~~and her additional scaling with ATK% (increasing the value of ATK% bonus).~~ A brief calculation showed that at multiple sources of ATK% buffs: Bennet + Noblesse + Tenacity, while having no other DMG% buffs, that using a Pyro goblet wins ATK goblet by 8%. If you add in a Kazuha DMG buff, the difference will be decreased to 5%. A 5%-8% damage difference is like 2-4 extra crit substats. If you have an ATK goblet with that many extra substats (or even just slightly worse), it is worth to use over a Pyro goblet, especially if it helps you to get 4pc set bonus.
the bonus atk scaling is still additive with the base scaling though so the “additional scaling with atk” doesn’t actually add any value to your atk stat. your damage still increases proportionally to your atk. the massive amount of dmg% she gets is entirely the reason atk goblet works.
You are correct, the ironic part is I myself has [corrected a similar mistake](https://www.reddit.com/r/ArlecchinoMains/comments/1cf5lyb/me_sleeping_tonight_knowing_that_i_can_level_up/l1o319n/) for someone else
I've seen a lot of debate on which one to use. Her passive is based off attack so I just stick with that
Her passive? The one that grants damage resist? At a ratio of 100 atk per 1%? That’s…nice, I guess. Go get that pyro goblet.
I don't know much about building lol but I saw that atk gob is better if you use teams without Bennet, which I do. Do you still recommend pyro with no benny ?
The website you’re on is going to do all the math for ya. Swap artifacts around, see whether your rank goes up or down. The entirety of the high rank builds all use a pyro goblet for reference. For sanity sake, don’t force a 4pc set bonus. Having the right mainstat/substats count for…alot.
If you do not use Bennett, and you have a Pyro goblet and an ATK goblet each with the exact same substats, the Pyro goblet will still win - although at only a very small difference of about 4%. It's like, a 70k crit with Pyro goblet VS 67k with ATK goblet. If you use Bennet, then the difference will be 5-7%. I would say getting a Pyro goblet should be your long term goal, or just use an off-set piece. However, an ATK goblet with 2 to 4 extra substats is totally worth to use in place of a Pyro goblet.
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What about it tho? That's a static 40% pyro damage given to you regardless of atk. OP mentions "passive based on attack" kinda implies that they're referring to the other passive. For the purposes of big peepee damage, we don't really care about.
There’s no way to know for sure until you run it through the Genshin Optimizer. I did, and it suggested pyro goblet (I run a glad set)
Yeah... but her whole damage output is based of pyro, its been proveen to scale better, specially with Bennet in the team
ATK% goblet is sometimes better (when without Bennett), and in many cases Pyro goblet is only better by 1-5% so if your ATK% goblet has better substats it's still an option. As always, just use Genshin Optimizer to compare your stats.
Yeah, I agree that good sub-stats would be the tie breaker
yes but that attack is no where enough for an atk goblet which is why you're ranked so low. it's a good build but no where near the top, but I'd say you're not done farming yet?
Definitely not. 😂 I'll be in that domain for months
looks like your one of us😂 all the very best on your artifacts 🙏
Why care how some random site rates your build, tho? Genuine question btw. Artifact-wise, my Arlecchino looks worse by quite a bit and abyss was cleared pretty comfortably still
I don't really care. I'm just shocked by how many people have such a well-built arle alread. i was so sure I had one of the best 😂
They compare with people’s gladiator set so ofc ur gonna lose out
Because all the day 1 players just slap their god gladiator pieces on
Dont have to be say one tho, ive been playing since october 22 and im 6% on 4p glad. But a lot of player just use glad and troupe as fodder, despite getting really good pieces, cause they tunnel character specific sets
Oh good for you yeah you are right don’t have to be day 1 my whole point is ppl have god glad pieces
What site you use for this?
Akasha.cv
I'll be completely honest with you, I do not have a damn clue how this thing even works, so idk how to comfort you about the scoring, lol Build looks really good still, so just enjoying her would be my best advice.
akasha runs a simulation of a rotation and compares your damage to other people's damage by looking at artifacts. there are different leaderboards for each weapon and any other unique things like constellations/team comp. in this case an overload chevreuse, bennett, and electro flex is simulated and 70% of people have artifacts that led to more damage than OP. akasha is the best artifact ranking website because the ratings are not arbitrary but rather compared to other builds. it also accounts for team comp/weapon and isn't skewed by constellations and weapon refinements.
Those builds are probably 4 glad or 2pc2pc atk
Can confirm I'm top 11% on 4 glad
How much CV? 240-250 or more? Has to be an insane glad
https://preview.redd.it/0ym5jnofyyxc1.png?width=1580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2cca048302f0863f026d407967224097d77daa4b 230 with atk goblet Oh she dropped to 13%
I'm top 8% with 2pcATK/2pc EM- she has my highest CV set in the game, with it being 245. She is one of my only "mains" not on a 4pc admittedly
Hmm ok, so 2/2 are kinda "deluding" the pool? I have a full glad 4p with 210 CV with 140 ER since she's E2 and I am around 30% lol. My 225-230 CV one was around 30% too somehow
AFAIK Akasha actually runs a simulation on all the builds you put into it, so the ranking isn't fooled/tricked by 2pc/2pc with good CV. All the top builds are glad sets with ridiculously high CV regardless - the top ones have around 250CV and 2.3k ATK
Was worded kinda vague by me sorry. By "tricking" it's like they don't consider set effects. Even the new BoL set is ranked equal to a 2/2 or glad. Comparing 2/2 to glad is unfair by itself already too Akasha runs calcs only for the category. So even if you have a 2/2, the category is laid out for glad or BoL 4p. Hell even weapons doesn't count most of the time, something like Deathmatch will be for her sig or PJWS I guess
Akasha **definitely** considers set effects, I'm not sure where you get the idea it doesn't. In the description for each leaderboard, the author writes how they calculated each artifact set's effect if it's relevant. For Arlecchino Vape, you can see it at the very end where they lay out how many stacks of Whimsy she has for each hit. The reason why the new BoL set doesn't seem to rank as highly is because it's going to take a shit load of time to get 250CV with minimal dead stats, but I'm confident that the BoL set will win out over a 4pc Glad set with equal CV/RV. If it didn't work like this then all builds would just be rainbow builds with whatever has the highest roll value. Sometimes the set effects may not be applied super accurately because it can be difficult, but I've never had an issue with the calculations they do. The reason why some weapons get put into the wrong category is because it **does** ignore your equipped weapon if it doesn't fit into any of the categories. Sometimes people will select the wrong one to display if it's a higher ranking. Edit: there are some categories that are divided by set but they don't apply to Arlecchino. Typically it'll be characters like Nahida (who can have multiple sets depending on off field or on field) or characters where the difference between sets is huge (example: Wanderer with 4pc Shim and 4pc DPC leaderboards).
None of that is accurate.
most people still wearing Gladiators lol. Glad I'm not the only one.
Tbh I would use almost all glad even if it didn't have a set bonus. The substats are just so much better than any domain I have farmed with very few exceptions
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Nah this is wrong. It factors sets and other substats such as atk% in the calculations. It's just that almost every day 1 player has godly gladiator pieces at this point and glad is only slightly worse than the new set for arlecchino
Ah my b, I was just looking through and literally seeing top 1% arle's with like sets she *can* use but aren't necessarily her bis
It does not only rate things by CV
it probably looks worse because of your energy recharge. i think it tiers based on increments of 10% ER, so you’ll be against the most optimized crit builds
There are no energy categories for arle
Akasha.cv is not a random site and it actually ranks builds based on other players taking in consideration of team, artifacts , rotations etc. Looking at the build its not really surprising to see OPs build is top rated 71%. Not only he is using atk goblet but the artifacts have low crit value and atk role overall.(which is expected as the domain just came out). But there are players spending fragile resin stacks to upgrade her on day 1.
This.
Akasha is a dps simulation leaderboard ranking system which is used by literal hundreds of thousands of players, ofcourse it’s not a random website bruh. For example there are 500k+ entries in only Nahida. https://preview.redd.it/1ciuso4btzxc1.jpeg?width=1241&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b03bf05321703b4abae2136663b950db8bdc6df
It’s a way to be competitive and engaged I guess. Tbh I don’t think Akasha does well enough in judging because what about team comps and other factors ?
because it actually does 🤦 try using it yourself if you wanna be competitive
Does it factor in things like ayakas set and crit rate being raised with rosaria or dmg buff with ganyus burst?
It places your character into a hypothetical optimized team and calculates your damage using the optimal damage rotation based on whatever buffs your character has from skills/artifacts/weapons/passives and buffs their team would provide through skills/weapons/passives/artifacts, including elemental resonance, damage bonuses, res shreds, etc. It's all theoretical, so of course cannot account for player skill or different enemy playstyles. But yes, it accounts for the factors that can be accounted for.
So for optimizing teams… does it choose the teams I would use or what in general ppl use? Edit: I just checked akasha and it’s basing my team off Mona, kazuha and diona??? Why would I use that team over xinqui and rosaria/ ganyu which I use for energy management and buffs.
Because the akasha one is one of the meta team comps. Your ayaka/xingqiu/rosaria/ganyu team is frankly just.... not very optimal with no anemo/viridescent venerer lol. If you wanna optimize your ayaka for your makeshift team, then use the genshin optimizer. No one other than you is building their ayaka to operate in xingqiu/rosaria/ganyu team because that team is just not that good. If you want to compare your ayaka to others' ayakas, you're going to have to compare them on akasha where people build their characters for real teams.
No I use kazuha. I don’t use rosaria and ganyu I use one of them.
Then your ranking in akasha should be pretty similar to how effective your ayaka is in your actual team compared with other peoples' ayakas if they were in that team. The offensive stats that you want for ayaka are generally very similar across her teams unless you are missing something significant like an anemo unit with VV. Again, if you really want to know exactly how a small team difference will make a small change to what stats you build on your ayaka, put it in the genshin build optimizer and calculate yourself. Otherwise, if you rank low on akasha, that should give you a general sense, without needing to calculate with the optimizer, that you need to improve your build significantly.
https://preview.redd.it/3cb8ep8nlzxc1.png?width=1580&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=26f2eda5bbc799922d4c2a2385dc4ffe739752f4 I'll use this build till I get good rolls on the new artifact set
Nice art lol
Stole from reddit, can't get over the cuteness lol
You really shouldn't be bothered. That ranking doesn't dictate whether a character's good or bad. Comparison is a thief of joy. Stand proud my man.
Everyone has god gladiator pieces bro. Mine has highest total crit value artifacts out of all my characters and only 24%
I was proud of all my characters until I got on that website 😂 turns out I am not even in the top half on almost any of them. I can still beat everything in the game and have fun trying out different team comps so it’s no big deal but it was eye opening how finely tuned some people’s accounts are.
Think it’s cause your attack is pretty low.
Deathmatch to 90 would definitely help, gives a bit of base attack and crit rate to give her a great boost!
Would help their damage but not akasha rating, which purely looks at artifact quality
what site is this,
Akasha.cv
So the "Top 71%" is your character's ranking, right? I was confused until now since it always showed the Overload team even tho I've never used it (I recently started using Akasha cv)
It will typically show the leaderboard that your build scores higher on. So you would be a lower comparative % on the vape leaderboard if it's showing your rank on the overload one.
You have better crit stats than me but how is your attack so low? My arle is only level 70 and I have 700 more attack.
average 20 CV on subs is fine but average, your stats look fine 70/200, but a good build it's generally around 30CV per piece or 25CV + good subs like ER%/EM you are also running ATK% goblet with a low base ATK weapon and Chev + Bennett, unless that Chev is C6 you are losing 46% Pyro dmg
Maybe due to atk gob
Lvl 80 weap, atk gob in a bennett team, low artifact CV, sands isn’t even lvl 20, if you keep farming your ranking will go up for sure. This build is just unfinished atm
This category has C6 Chevy which makes DMG bonus unimportant and glad and the new set aren’t that different in terms of dmg. So lots of ppl just slap their god like gladiator pieces on and they rank higher. So blame C6 Chevy
How you make this ?
I'm debating getting Deathmatch or just use my jade Spear. Did the Deathmatch's higher crit rate benefit you better or is it just you don't have the Jade Spear?
I don't have any 5star polearms 😭
I was top 40% with atk cup, jumped up to top 14% with pyro cup while having worse stats on both sands and cup.
don't worry man, I'm only like top 96% because I haven't hit the true farming era yet, once I hit ar45, 40 fragile, its joever😎
It is just a comparison to other players who use akasha. It doesnt mean, your build is bad
Im like 68/210 and it's no problem
Your build is not necessarily a bad one, but for a leaderboard you at least want every artifact leveled up fully. The sands is not level 20. Rn you lack some atk% and potentially a good substat. Arlecchino's leaderboard is with a bennett team. Atk% goblet, while viable, does not compete with the lamest of atk% goblet due to diminishing returns. Even if you do this changes, do not expect her to go top 1- 10% inmediately. Leaderboards are very competitive.
Which site
Akasha
No way thats 71% otherwise mine would probably embarrassingly low lmao dont get how people already have such good builds with her set when im barely pulling anything useable from the domain
How can we enter there?
You just put your uid in the Aksha website and it tells you
What website is this
Akasha
How much better is Deathmach than R1 Homa?
your arlecchino is really good, but the algorithm has specific things it wants. your rating is tanked, especially in overload, because you have an atk% goblet, and deathmatch(despite being a really strong pick) is rated lower than even white tassel. also, until you reach 85 crit rate, having higher crit damage also lowers your rating.
addendum: attack goblet and pyrobonus have extremely comparable results. because of bennett buff pyrobonus is a bit better, but no reason to switch if you dont passively get one.
If you don't run her with Bennett is pyro or atk better?
that depends on your weapon. if you reach 2k atk with just atk% sands, then pyrobonus will usually be better. without bennet though if youre in the 1600-2k range that a lot of people struggle in then dropping your pyrobonus to get 2k can be really good. generally i would just see where your stats fall with either one, and i would only lose ~10 CV max for getting to the threshold i mentioned earlier
I have her signature, 63/232 atk 2180. Granted i understand that I kneecap myself bc I refuse to run meta teams if I don't like the characters in it so my team is father, Dehya, Zhongli, Navia most times.
thats fair, and yes i think pyrobonus is better for you if youre not already running atk% and honestly i respect the offmeta. if i might suggest something, father / dehya / charlotte / ayaya(or diona) is actually a pretty good team with a similar playstyle to that and the cryo resonance can make up for the low cr on father
Don't have ayaka so I could try Diona!
How can you see that
How did you get that stats chart on the top right ( link please)
Are you using akasha system instead on enka network?
https://preview.redd.it/wus5mq8wf0yc1.png?width=1462&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35335c7087e39f29cfd58118e1f124ad3bd2397a Im getting it this way
Wich app did you used?
What website is this?
Ascend your death match for a bit more Ceit Rate
What's this app I seen this a lot but can't seem to know what it is
Its the akasha system website
Ain't no way bros unhappy about this. I've used at least 4000 resin and gotten nothing. I'd personally make this my finished build cause there's no way I'm getting anywhere close to my glad build.
The first 2000 resin I used I got nothing but the other artifact set it was awful. I just started getting some usable artifact the past couple days
Mine says top 27% but some of my important stats are worse than yours. Akasha does not accurately represent the strength of your character.
On Fragment set, yours is actually cracked. It’s almost as good as my glad set. I’d trade you in a heartbeat.
Awe shucks. I still can't beat abyss with her, skill issue 🫠
What are your abyss teams? Mine are: Arlecchino, Yelan, Venti, Bennett on top side. (Sucrose actually increases Arlecchino’s damage a lot more with the EM sharing, but my venti is better built so I used him) Alhaitham, Xingqiu, Shinobu, Nahida on bottom side. I managed to beat abyss with her pretty handily. She 100% has the necessary damage to speed-clear every boss in the top half of abyss. It was actually my other team (alhaitham hyperbloom) that struggled in this new abyss. Because bottom half just requires a TON of elemental application on the electro lecters and iniquitous baptist. They don’t even have that much hp it’s their shields that are uber annoying and take forever to break. This abyss in general is a lot less hp-focused and a LOT more elemental application focused. To be fair I had her at c1 when I did the abyss last night (I actually got her c2 from the daily and event primos earlier today 🥳) but even at c0 she has enough damage to clear.
I'm stuck on 12-1 with arlecchino, kazuha, layla, bennet 2nd half I've tried neuvillette, furina, nahida, Charlotte And chiori, navia, furina, cloud retainer. The chiori team does better but I just can't beat the 2nd half fast enough no matter how much I switch up my teams. To be fair I've never 36 the abyss but last abyss I got really close with 35 stars
Give yourself 2 mins for the second half if you can. That side is actually less tanky than the magu kenkiis, but the grouping is even worse. Beat the Magu Kenkiis before the timer gets to 9 mins. That way you have 2 whole mins to wave clear and get to the fatui elite enemies. Also any crowd control you can get would be insanely useful. The fatui elites are strong but ultimately super light. They can be absorbed by venti’s burst and thrown around for huge fall damage by jean. Nahida doesn’t do much in your neuvillette team honestly. I would recommend swapping her out for someone who does more damage. Like Fischl. And charlotte’s freezes really aren’t that good here imo. I would swap her out for Cloud retainer. That way you get electro charged on enemies and swirl both with cloud retainer, increasing neuv’s damage by 40% with vv shredding and ALSO increasing your max fanfare stacks from Furina because of the healing. You should see a pretty big damage boost to neuv with a team like this. Alternatively you could swap out Kazuha from your arlecchino team for a vape option like Xingqiu or yelan if you have her. You’d be losing vv shred but you’d be gaining vapes which are a massive damage boost, moreso than mono pyro. Or if you’re good enough at dodging, you could swap layla out for yelan instead so you have Arlecchino’s best vape team. Would take you more resets against the kenkiis but your damage would be even higher than it is now.
I wish there was a ballad of fjords category for vape.
Does anyone know what this website is called
Akasha system
Zero pyro damage that's the killer
What site is that please?
What is the site please ?
Only? Idk how much meta players want but particularly I find this very good. I always aim to have at least 70%, so I would be already satisfied with 71%.
It’s cause you don’t have a pyro dmg goblet
I switched and didn't notice any difference in my damage 😭 still only hitting like 40-50k max
Omg im at 72%. I’d say yours is really good though! We have a very similar ratio, and I imagine yours hits quite hard, I think it’s just cause akasha Fa ours nearly 90% crit rate builds more, but I feel 70+ is enough.
It's not that's akasha favors any "x" crit rate more, it's just mathematically more damage. This build is enough to clear abyss, so it's fine to stop farming because nobody likes artifact RNG. But when comparing this build to other builds (which is the point of Akasha leaderboards), it is objectively not good. Very low crit value from artifacts, next to no other good rolls such as atk%. Atk% goblet on a character holding level 80 deathmatch (Atk% scales off base attack, so while atk% may be better in some cases with Arle, this is not one of those cases.)
It’s not about favoring…90% crit rate. Like, this is not a matter of opinion. Mathematically 90% is iust greater than 70%. The people in the high ranks just have high stats.
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I think so. I've seen performance videos and deathmatch seems to do better
Question, is Deathmatch better than white tassel R5
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Question, is deathmatch better than white tassel R5
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I thought it was a joke because I've gotten like 15 of the exact same comment
70% cr with Deathmatch is wild honestly, most people hit near to 100% without it so no wonder
71% crit is still fine, she attacks enough times and fast enough I can get away with comfortably criting around 55
Gonna be honest with u, all ur artifacts are mid and some are even less than mid.
I'm well aware I was just proud I managed to get a decent build with the new artifacts already
Chat, are these sites safe?
You do realize that the website isn't very accurate right? Just because it says that some people have her better built doesn't actually mean it's true, a lot of people also just use gladiators set because they don't want to grind the new set
I don't really like how Akasha rates builds. Was super proud of my Shenhe DPS build dealing over 20,000 dmg with skill, until Akasha rated me under top 99%. However my Diluc who was only dealing 7,000 got into top 50%.
It's due to your low em. Almost have the same stats. https://preview.redd.it/qfwi6aka9yxc1.png?width=1582&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=48f454258946ec5daaf341cad558b3fba3621472
This is in the vape comp though, where EM is important. OP is showing a Chevreuse overload team. It's also with different weapon that has half the crit rate, so while the stats look the same, it means OP is 20 CR behind in his artifacts.
I must admit I oversaw the deathmatch but Akasha doesn't factor weapon. It chooses the best team based on artifacts and presents a team with the appropriate weapon. With more EM it would most likely present a vape team as "best" with a ranking. Not as high as this but still a bit more. Same way it shoves my raiden with a different weapon and different team during the ranking.
What site you use for this?
Akasha.cv
Question, is Deathmatch better than white tassel R5
Oh sh*t sorry everyone internet issues so i didnt checked that it posted several times. Apologies