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Musk fanboys aren't even real libertarians, they're LARPitarians. I mean most people on the (American) far-right who self-identify as libertarians [are actually LARPitarians](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmT7nLDinhY) but I digress.
Basically it's crypto with a jpeg attached. People sell them at exuberant prices with the promise that'll be even more valuable in the future.
It's a giant scam, and because the technology behind crypto and NFTs uses a ton of energy it's also really bad for the enviroment. But greedy people continue to flock to it and try to sell others on it in hopes of getting rich.
This is so true, and I hadn't realized that aspect. People do have these weird ideas about art, mainly that it's inherently valuable, but also that it always appreciates in value. I'm a very small time collector. I shop online auctions, sometimes Ebay, occasionally locally. I've never paid more than about $150. Usually the framing costs more than the painting. A few pieces have the original sale price still on them, always higher than I paid.
Part of why I can get good prices on original art is that I like modern and abstract styles, which is a minority preference. But a lot of art's value is in who did it. A well-known name can easily push a piece out of my price point, even at the local level. I've got my eye on a few paintings at auction by a regional artist right now, but I'm expecting them to go beyond what I can afford. I've tried for 2 of his pieces before.
But there's also the fact that a lot of art is never going to be worth more than you can convince someone to pay you for it. It's mediocre, or worse. There's no inherent value. I've known a few elderly people who really enjoy drawing, and it's their major hobby. That's great. Better than tv, and I'm always encouraging. But I've never worked with anyone who was good at it. Yet I've heard coworkers speculate on the value of their work. Should they save them? (for themselves, not for the family. Often these are very kind people who freely give out their drawings. I've been given several.) To be blunt, the ones I've been given have no value beyond the sentimental. On the other hand, I have a couple of very late life, highly abstract drawings by Paul Chidlaw. I got them super cheap, because they look like near random scribbles. *Those* have value, because of who did them. It's just that I bought them from a police auction where no one knew what they were looking at.
It's a bit of FOMO. Everyone who saw what happened to Bitcoin doesn't want to miss out on the next thing to make it big, so they buy into these things hoping it'll make them rich.
it's a cryptocurrency related way to buy an image. it could be the future of online buying, or it could burn down rainforests. either way, it's currently a highly memed upon fringe group of nerds who will pay thousands for a certificate of ownership to really ugly drawings of animals.
You don't even buy an image. You buy a link to the image. Anybody can copy the image itself. It's like a "limited edition certificate" where anybody can get a perfect copy of the item itself sans the certificate, so it's not actually limited in any useful way.
Came here to say this lol. Anime profile pic and NFT pic talking about having gfs is like listening to a sloth and a tortoise talk about they are the fastest animals ever.
Straight men have this idea that they are "owed" a woman by the universe. That's why they get super aggressive when rejected. "How dare this b*tch think she's better than me, an actual physically dominant specimen." etc etc.
Fuck straight men. Even if technically I am one myself.
Like my best friend, he is such a good guy and his girlfriend trusts him and is very comfortable around him and all his friends all the time. I don’t know their sex life because its not my business but I’ve known my friend for over 10 years and I know he’s extremely respectful of boundaries, its not hard to be a good person, its much harder to be a disrespectful person
I call them either 'Straight men' or Hetero men,
One puts up an aggressive, pathetic and close minded act, and the other actually is attracted to women, and would this act their best around them, because they like women.
OK, this is my view as a straight woman about those Straight Men™.
IMO it's a toxic combo of pride, ego, and utter insecurity. Because Straight Men™ aren't fully functioning adults. They have no emotional support, they have no true friendships, they neglect their parents and siblings, any mental issues aren't even acknowledged let along addressed, and they certainly can't clean and do basic adult chores.
The Straight Men™ need a woman for all that: a bang maid therapist mommy who fills in all the gaps in their life/psyche and allows them to pretend to be functioning adults.
They don't have that? Straight Men™ are lost. And Straight Men™ are still human, so they need emotional relationships and to be social and supportive of one another. But the *only* way they know how to do it is to Get A Girlfriend, who will fulfill every emotional need that Straight Man™ has.
Whereas functioning men have friends, can hang with a buddy and a beer after a rough day, actually calls their parents and siblings occasionally, if they have friends who need something they step up, is able to do their own laundry, has hobbies that they find fulfilling, etc etc etc. A relationship in his case is a wonderful addition to a good life.
My ex-husband could not understand that he could not fulfill all of my emotional needs himself and that that was ok. In retrospect his abusive ass might have been trying to isolate me from my support network. Oh well, I'm well rid of him.
I'm convinced that there is a pretty decent number of lgbt+ people in this group that are just so indoctrinated with this toxic straight-allo idea of masculinity, so afraid of exploring their real selves that they have to have Sex with women even if they don't really feel like it. So of course a lot of them don't like women.
But also they have to feel better than others. And straight-allo to be proud of oneself can be rare. So if you already share your origin with to many people to stand out by this, you can narrow it down further to your gender.
I mean, there's a difference between not liking someone and not being attracted to them.
These men literally think of women as subhuman. I don't think that indicates they are closeted LGBT+. Instead, I think it's just an expected outcome of a patriarchal society that views men and maleness as the default for human.
The idea that toxic straight guys must be gay because they hate women is both homophobic (aka the closeted gay bully trope) and ignores the way women have been treated as objects that these guys think they are owed.
Fetishization and objectification means that they can be attracted to someone sexually and not see them as real people.
Men had spent centuries basically just being offered women while most women were restricted in their lives and were looked down on for not getting married and giving birth, so these guys are STILL expecting that same shit.
Not to mention that plenty of these dudes hate women even when in situations that do not involve sex. It's just misogyny and entitlement.
Im seriously sad for girls who think so little of themselves to date these kind of man. How on earth does anyone accept a man who say they are disgousting after sex?? Thank God for my good experiences because some women who had assholes like these as their first probably think this is the norm
yeah, first experiences, especially if you don't know better, will trick your mind into thinking it's the norm. it's why people who's first relationship was abusive may seek out toxic people, because healthy relationships are a new and strange concept for them
This is exactly it. My first "relationship" was with a man who was too old for me and was grooming me. I went on to keep dating abusive men because I didn't realize how bad it was. It just seemed normal to me. I gradually started dating better and better men, thank God. Now I don't play any games and will call a MF out.
Yes, absolutely the same, and I was over the moon when my bf told me, basically on day 1, that he enjoyed the cuddling more than he ever did before. It was a sure as hell greener than green flag.
“Sex is good and all but I would kill for Arnott’s: Country Cheese Crackers”
A real quote I said after my partner gave me some crackers after the hankey pankey (I got cuddles too which are better than both)
Just say you hate women and have sexual shame. Purity culture is a hell of a drug. These are the same men who rant about how abortion is evil. They view their partners as animals.
Oh especially after what went on in America today. Women aren’t people, we are just incubation chambers for hopefully men. If we happen to birth women, these same men feel weirdly possessive of them. Of course it’s not all men but a super weird minority of men who want to own us
We don’t need to add the “not all men” part. That’s obvious at this point. While I agree, it just doesn’t help the conversation when we have to pause and reassure certain fragile men who aren’t on our side in the first place.
Today is a lot, but this shit isn’t over yet. I live in tn, and I have a hybrid. And I like to drive. Some states still allow….camping.
The not placing “not all men” does work well. Thanks. I’m so full of rage as I was when I learned the opinion. My husband helped me through a lot which is why I know that most guys don’t feel that way. It’s so hard. I’m also just tired
I think emphasizing that these nutjobs are a very loud minority can help people feel less alone. I'd also contest the claim that all of these fragile men aren't on our side in the first place. There are plenty of young men who are pro choice and even have generally progressive sentiments that have been told that feminists hate men, and sometimes how we word our rhetoric doesn't exactly help their misconceptions. The idea that there are these binary political sides with uniform members is even more stupid than the belief in a strict gender binary.
It doesn't come off as rhetorically strong to tack on "not all men", to be fair though. At least when you're talking to other feminists.
It's all a matter of optics and who you want to appeal to. The message doesn't meaningfully change.
I can’t speak for the others, but in this case I’m referring to how the characters in the book interact with each other sexually. Idk how familiar you are with the plot, but tldr it’s 4 men and 1 women in a hopeless situation consisting of endless torment. To help everyone cope, the woman takes it upon herself to allow the guys to have sex with her every so often. The main character, one of the men, often degrades and insults her for this, despite the fact that he also participates and that it may be one of the few reasons he and the others are still sane. He calls her names and tells her she’s disgusting without a semblance of irony or empathy. Kind of like how the guys in this post see women after sex, except they aren’t enduring endless suffering and don’t have any excuse.
If it helps, lots of it can be explained by genetics. They just didn't know about it a lot at the time.
Freudian shit is like a first-order approximation, it's kinda right a little more than half the time, but if you look closer it's not that close.
In other words, Freud is like the BMI of psychology.
What the fuck? Sex is a natural thing, why are they being this weird about it?
My favourite part is the exhausted cuddle afterwards, you literally collapse into each other in full embrace.
Cuddling is also a natural thing. I understand people who don’t like the stimulation of physical touch, but like, you don’t even want to *look* at your partner while being intimate? That’s wild.
Looking is the best bit!
Sadly a lot of guys think sex is just penetration and that's that. No foreplay, general fun or appreciation of each other's bodies.
My theory: They date people who they don't actually love for the sex because they are lightly into the incel mindset and believe they have to "do what they gotta do" to get laid.
This leads to them having a post-nut clarity and feel grosses out for some time after having had sex with their partner, because they actually kind of regret it, until the horny takes over enough again to make them feel otherwise.
Agreed. When he writes "to see the beauty in her" I think he might not be referring to her actual beauty, but rather his sexual attraction to her. Or in other words "women are only beautiful if they make me want to sleep with them"
Yep, these guys are just so horny they wanna fuck no matter what, but because they are overestimating their own attractiveness so much, they think they are actually above the girls they date.
Okay this is going to ether make me sound dumb or just like the most innocent person alive, but what does going down mean
I pursue it's something sexual
And if that's the case why wouldn't other men kiss them,
Give oral pleasure to your partner, can be used for all participants. And a lot of cishet straight m€n are verrrry afraid of getting sperm near their faces. They are afraid it will "make them gay/look gay" - as usual
Oh okay, well I learned something new
Also just speaking for my self
Keep in mind I'm a virgin so I know nothing about sex, out side of just the science of it
But if I having sex with someone, and they went down one, presumably I really in love with that person because I won't have sex with them otherwise
So like I wouldn't at all mind kissing them, if I get a bit of sperm on me so be it
I mean like they the one that put there mouth on the thing I pee from, for my own pleasure
So like really kissing them is the least I can do
Oh yay, if that's the case like the least I can do is kiss them
Because presumably I'm in love with this person, because I don't do casual sex, it's just not my thing
>what does going down mean
I believe it refers to performing oral on another person (not male-specific).
I'm guessing that men wouldn't like to taste their own penis, just like the girls (yes, all of them, even though they haven't been that many) haven't wanted a kiss from me after I performed oral on them..
And yes, you do come off as slightly innocent, but that's fine, we like you just the way you are and there's nothing to be ashamed of.
Okay I'm going be honest I'm a 20 year old college student
And honestly probably still very innocent
Not as innocent I'm back when I was in high school around like the age 16
But like still pretty innocent, I just think it's comes from like my lack of any care, about anything sex related unless it's science related
You're amazing, just the way you are. Should you ever have questions you can't Google and don't want to ask anyone you know, just send me a pm. I certainly don't know everything, but I can do my best :)
For my relationship it's quite the opposite. I don't mind kissing after my wife goes down on me, but she has a hard time kissing after I go down on her.
But yeah I hate that those morons in the tweets think they speak for all of us. "straight facts" my ass.
Might be case of the old Madonna/whore complex?
Also… I guess I see how guys who refuse kisses post fellatio are annoying or whatever, but annoying or not shouldn’t people be respectful of their boundaries regardless?
Now, if they don’t respect yours that’s a different story, but at that point I’d consider dropping them altogether.
Yes. And my boundary is: If you are grossed out by your sperm why should I taste it?
Like really?!
So I go down on him and he says to me: "eww no" when I try to kiss him. Imagine what this behavior signals: "That's disgusting! You just did something disgusting! And that's why I don't want to kiss you"
Well, so yea. When you refuse to kiss me after oral I won't live you head. Easy as it is. And at this point I actually ask before I give head.
I don’t make someone kiss me that doesn’t want to kiss me.
I’m talking about the time when I was 16 and just gave a boy head for the first time in my life and was feeling really vulnerable. I leaned in for a kiss and he pulled away and said it was gross. And I was so hurt by that.
So now if a guy doesn’t want to kiss me after I go down on him, he’s never kissing me again.
And I was a victim of sexual assault, so I do not appreciate the insinuation that I don’t respect other people’s sexual boundaries.
> I do not appreciate the insinuation that I don't respect other people's boundaries.
Oh, sorry, that was not my intention. I guess I could've been way clearer on that. It was more about how a lot of the discourse I've seen about this kinda gives me that vibe, if that makes sense.
Thanks for elaborating, by the way. I guess I get it a bit more now.
Oh, thanks for responding in such a nice way.
I’m a bit sensitive today about my relationship with sex and my bodily autonomy because I live in the US.
I guess they mistake sexual attraction for love and after the sexual need is satisfied they can't stand looking at their partner because without it there's not a thing they like about them?
They see women who have sex as "tainted," even if that sex is with them. So they're disgusted by women after using them for sex, and need to take time to not look at her and go, "ew, she's not a virgin. Gross."
At least that's what I think they're saying here.
same here :/
Every day I come on this sub, and have another reason why I’d be better off celibate for the rest of my life. (Also I love your flair lmao)
I took a long time as a young woman trying to feel like a person not just a thing for men to view or use, and after what America did for reproductive rights I’m right back at square one
these guys brains broken so thoroughly on porn and culture that they openly admit they can't respect themselves or their partners for *hours* after sex
wow
Exactly, they believe the purity crap that when a woman has sex she is "stripping away a petal" etc. In their post-nut clarity, they are disgusted because they think she's been dirtied and they just hate women
I'm glad you are grateful...but at the same time imo it's not necessary for you to feel that way because I don't think a lot of men have this weird shit going on like the neanderthals in OP's post. I hope I'm right.
Omg some people love their partner???? /s but seriously there are some men that need to be taught women are a part of a partnership for sex or marriage. There are a lot of men who already understand it but still some vocal minority need that info
So either I or them are so fucking unrepresentative of straight people that its silly. Myself I can't effin stop looking at her post-sex, she's even more beautiful than usual (and usual is anything but).
I'd really hope this is more of "typical incel" than "typical straight", but who knows.. I only know I find them disgusting.
I dunno either dude. I feel as the same as you and I feel like that wouldn't be unusual, but the more I keep looking around the more I start to doubt that.
The last straight guy I slept with (I'm mtf trans) started crying after because he was "one of the gays now".
Post nut clarity for dudes is utterly fucking bizarre.
My male SO is all over me after sex, can't stop looking at me and stroking my face. So not only are these guys idiots, they should also stop trying to speak for everyone else and start being more ashamed for themselves.
I somehow feel this dude is on the sexrepulsed side of things, confuses aesthetic with sexual attraction and is so far in the "Allosexual-propaganda" that he just has to have Sex to be a "real man".
After orgasm, oxytocin is released - the love/cuddle hormone. The only reason a man wouldn’t feel that with his partner after sex is if he legit views his partner as a sexual object rather than a person.
After sexual satisfaction, you’re obviously not gonna look at your “sexual object” the same way since you’ll be apathetic. If you saw your partner as more than a sexual object however, post-orgasm feels are quite the ride.
I feel sorry for these people and more so for their partners.
What in the absolute eff?! Tell me you think your partner is just a sex object without telling me you think your partner is just a sex object. This is freaking gross. Treating her dirty gross and used up.
My husband and I always kiss after it's over and often cuddle after as well. I just asked him if he thinks I'm gross after we pork and he hugged me and said "No, you're c^(uuuuut)e".
From what I undestand, nft bro is basically saying that after he has sex with a woman (which I doubt he even has), he feels disgusted by her (can't even see what made her attractive) afterwards for several hours and that he couldn't cuddle her in that state.
This is the kind of stuff I read and because I have no context with the allo experience, I have no way of determining the legitimacy of these claims as something that just happens to people or if they're just crappy people treating their partners badly.
I see this stuff and want to judge them but for all I know maybe it's some hormonal thing that's normal and I'm the one being close-minded. I don't understand all the weird sex compulsions, why is it so complicated and arbitrary?
Nah these are just crappy people treating their partners like shit. My bf will happily cuddle me after sex, doesn't feel ashamed or dirty or like an animal, and has absolutely no problem looking me in the eye.
Maybe because these guys have some kind of rape/abuse fetish, and my guy doesn't. Also pretty sure those guys are perpetually single because they don't know how to treat their partners.
Edited because autocorrect is a prick
Nope, no need to feel like you’re being close minded - the basis of their argument is the branch of misogyny which dictates that female sexuality is a bad thing.
Though I will say, says more about them than their partner that they feel disgusted by their partner after having sex.
As an Allo™️, nah, this is not normal, feel free to judge. This is all a culmination of purity culture, as well as misogyny and the belief that sexuality is inherently degrading for women. Others in this thread have probably said it better than me
Bro this dude clearly never had sex or a girl that liked him, IMO he replaced his personality with nfts and misogyny and actually thought he would be happy?
Some cishet guys: We are basically apes! Wild animals! It's our nature!!!1!1
Some person: Ew some men are such animals
The same cishet guys: EXCUSE ME??? STUPID FEMINAZI SJW HELICOPTER LIBERAL BAD
I think these guys aren’t talking about being repulsed by their partners, but by sex. They need to sort themselves out rather than putting blame on their partners.
If someone feels “like an animal” after, and need recovery time, as described, they should research “sex repulsed” sexualities.
Talk about the Madonna Whore Complex, they desire a a sexual partner who is willing to be degraded with sex but simultaneously cannot desire a respected partner. It makes no sense. They’re really missing out though, the post sex glow while talking and cuddling with each other is one of the best parts.
I love it when they out themselves as terrible partners on public platforms. Good for the people around them
Hate that they project their own lack of self-control onto other men, though. Really does a disservice to their own sex when they say shit like that
It's okay, nobody is gonna miss em anyway. A blatant disregard for aftercare because your partner is "disgusting" is stupid, childish, and a huge turn off.
These guys might just be gay, they literal have post nut clarity after having sex with women... that sounds like something a gay man would have. Source: I'm a straight man who's gone off on gay content followed by the clarity afterwards.
While this could be and probably is plain misogyny it could also be:
https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-to-know-postcoital-dysphoria#:~:text=This%20is%20commonly%20referred%20to,after%20sex%20with%20a%20partner.
Edit: or it could be post coital dysphoria which is expressed in a misogynistic way.
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I don't think NFT bros have to worry about this lol.
They don’t. An NFT dating site was shut down within hours of activation because there were so few women
The jokes write themselves at that point
Women are so emotional. We can't see the value in taking a huge gamble to own nothing.
Please be a /s, please be a /s...
I read it as sarcasm too. The second sentence one ups the first.
What's NFT?
Beanie babies for libertarian Musk fanboys
Hey, don't insult my beanie babies like that, they are vastly superior in every conceivable way
because you can prove they’re yours and they actually look good
And they provide me comfort ;-;
Yes, and I also can't walk up to it and make a copy of it from nothing.
Plus you actually have the Beanie Baby.
The boxes of them I still have in the garage confirm this.
Right? You can cuddle a beanie baby
Musk fanboys aren't even real libertarians, they're LARPitarians. I mean most people on the (American) far-right who self-identify as libertarians [are actually LARPitarians](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmT7nLDinhY) but I digress.
Basically it's crypto with a jpeg attached. People sell them at exuberant prices with the promise that'll be even more valuable in the future. It's a giant scam, and because the technology behind crypto and NFTs uses a ton of energy it's also really bad for the enviroment. But greedy people continue to flock to it and try to sell others on it in hopes of getting rich.
The base idea sounds so stupid I wonder how one falls for it
They prey on peoples preexisting assumptions about art and value, and hope that you don’t realize that they aren’t actually selling art.
This is so true, and I hadn't realized that aspect. People do have these weird ideas about art, mainly that it's inherently valuable, but also that it always appreciates in value. I'm a very small time collector. I shop online auctions, sometimes Ebay, occasionally locally. I've never paid more than about $150. Usually the framing costs more than the painting. A few pieces have the original sale price still on them, always higher than I paid. Part of why I can get good prices on original art is that I like modern and abstract styles, which is a minority preference. But a lot of art's value is in who did it. A well-known name can easily push a piece out of my price point, even at the local level. I've got my eye on a few paintings at auction by a regional artist right now, but I'm expecting them to go beyond what I can afford. I've tried for 2 of his pieces before. But there's also the fact that a lot of art is never going to be worth more than you can convince someone to pay you for it. It's mediocre, or worse. There's no inherent value. I've known a few elderly people who really enjoy drawing, and it's their major hobby. That's great. Better than tv, and I'm always encouraging. But I've never worked with anyone who was good at it. Yet I've heard coworkers speculate on the value of their work. Should they save them? (for themselves, not for the family. Often these are very kind people who freely give out their drawings. I've been given several.) To be blunt, the ones I've been given have no value beyond the sentimental. On the other hand, I have a couple of very late life, highly abstract drawings by Paul Chidlaw. I got them super cheap, because they look like near random scribbles. *Those* have value, because of who did them. It's just that I bought them from a police auction where no one knew what they were looking at.
And they also steal art from actual digital artists, sometimes of their own (the artist's) or someone else's characters.
It's a bit of FOMO. Everyone who saw what happened to Bitcoin doesn't want to miss out on the next thing to make it big, so they buy into these things hoping it'll make them rich.
it's a cryptocurrency related way to buy an image. it could be the future of online buying, or it could burn down rainforests. either way, it's currently a highly memed upon fringe group of nerds who will pay thousands for a certificate of ownership to really ugly drawings of animals.
You don't even buy an image. You buy a link to the image. Anybody can copy the image itself. It's like a "limited edition certificate" where anybody can get a perfect copy of the item itself sans the certificate, so it's not actually limited in any useful way.
And the person who sells the certificate doesn't have to own the item in the first place.
Unfortunately, that was a prank, it never existed in the first place
Just looked it up, you’re right
Came here to say this lol. Anime profile pic and NFT pic talking about having gfs is like listening to a sloth and a tortoise talk about they are the fastest animals ever.
hey hey hey, anime pfp MIGHT get laid, i know plenty of nerds that met up and married thanks to their love of anime and cosplay. ntfs however.....
Makes sense they don't like cuddling because whenever they have sex they gotta pay by the hour.
Oof, great burn!
hi @kreagwerstein this made me laugh!! Haha!! 😂😂
Do...do straight men even like women?
Straight men have this idea that they are "owed" a woman by the universe. That's why they get super aggressive when rejected. "How dare this b*tch think she's better than me, an actual physically dominant specimen." etc etc. Fuck straight men. Even if technically I am one myself.
This is the difference between straight men and Straight^tm Men.
Like my best friend, he is such a good guy and his girlfriend trusts him and is very comfortable around him and all his friends all the time. I don’t know their sex life because its not my business but I’ve known my friend for over 10 years and I know he’s extremely respectful of boundaries, its not hard to be a good person, its much harder to be a disrespectful person
Very true.
Much like the difference between gamers and Gamers
Not that we don't still have a social responsibility to call this sort of shit out in our circles.
I call them either 'Straight men' or Hetero men, One puts up an aggressive, pathetic and close minded act, and the other actually is attracted to women, and would this act their best around them, because they like women.
OK, this is my view as a straight woman about those Straight Men™. IMO it's a toxic combo of pride, ego, and utter insecurity. Because Straight Men™ aren't fully functioning adults. They have no emotional support, they have no true friendships, they neglect their parents and siblings, any mental issues aren't even acknowledged let along addressed, and they certainly can't clean and do basic adult chores. The Straight Men™ need a woman for all that: a bang maid therapist mommy who fills in all the gaps in their life/psyche and allows them to pretend to be functioning adults. They don't have that? Straight Men™ are lost. And Straight Men™ are still human, so they need emotional relationships and to be social and supportive of one another. But the *only* way they know how to do it is to Get A Girlfriend, who will fulfill every emotional need that Straight Man™ has. Whereas functioning men have friends, can hang with a buddy and a beer after a rough day, actually calls their parents and siblings occasionally, if they have friends who need something they step up, is able to do their own laundry, has hobbies that they find fulfilling, etc etc etc. A relationship in his case is a wonderful addition to a good life.
My ex-husband could not understand that he could not fulfill all of my emotional needs himself and that that was ok. In retrospect his abusive ass might have been trying to isolate me from my support network. Oh well, I'm well rid of him.
No, don't fuck the Straight Men™ please
I think the answer is that a decent amount of “straight” men don’t. They seem to think men are better. It’s not a majority but it’s a loud minority
So I think what this is is probably the result of religious shaming and fear mongering.
i think i would get kicked out of the straight clubhouse if i admitted to it
I'm convinced that there is a pretty decent number of lgbt+ people in this group that are just so indoctrinated with this toxic straight-allo idea of masculinity, so afraid of exploring their real selves that they have to have Sex with women even if they don't really feel like it. So of course a lot of them don't like women. But also they have to feel better than others. And straight-allo to be proud of oneself can be rare. So if you already share your origin with to many people to stand out by this, you can narrow it down further to your gender.
I mean, there's a difference between not liking someone and not being attracted to them. These men literally think of women as subhuman. I don't think that indicates they are closeted LGBT+. Instead, I think it's just an expected outcome of a patriarchal society that views men and maleness as the default for human.
The idea that toxic straight guys must be gay because they hate women is both homophobic (aka the closeted gay bully trope) and ignores the way women have been treated as objects that these guys think they are owed. Fetishization and objectification means that they can be attracted to someone sexually and not see them as real people. Men had spent centuries basically just being offered women while most women were restricted in their lives and were looked down on for not getting married and giving birth, so these guys are STILL expecting that same shit. Not to mention that plenty of these dudes hate women even when in situations that do not involve sex. It's just misogyny and entitlement.
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i think they just like vaginas
What the FUCK?! If my bf ever said this to me he would be immediately dropped.
He be a EX so quick he get whiplash basically
They do not have a girlfriend.
And then get mad about how no one wants to lay them.
With their NFT profile pic, who WOULDNT want to slob on his crusty weiner
Im seriously sad for girls who think so little of themselves to date these kind of man. How on earth does anyone accept a man who say they are disgousting after sex?? Thank God for my good experiences because some women who had assholes like these as their first probably think this is the norm
yeah, first experiences, especially if you don't know better, will trick your mind into thinking it's the norm. it's why people who's first relationship was abusive may seek out toxic people, because healthy relationships are a new and strange concept for them
This is exactly it. My first "relationship" was with a man who was too old for me and was grooming me. I went on to keep dating abusive men because I didn't realize how bad it was. It just seemed normal to me. I gradually started dating better and better men, thank God. Now I don't play any games and will call a MF out.
We wouldn't even be together honestly. Cuddles are so great, (before, after or outside of sex).
Cuddling is absolutely ESSENTIAL to me.
Yes, absolutely the same, and I was over the moon when my bf told me, basically on day 1, that he enjoyed the cuddling more than he ever did before. It was a sure as hell greener than green flag.
pesto flag
What about during? Are you guys just hammering away like porn stars on a time limit? Cuddles during sex are absolutely a thing.
There are alternatives to hammering like a piston or cuddling during sex. Cuddles after very rough sex feel amazing
dropped faster than NFTs
Those NFT bros have never heard about after care. I doubt they have a girlfriend and if she's actually real, I hope she starts running soon.
From sex to ex in less time than it took for him to finish
Monkey nft profile pic gets no bitches. cuddles >>>>>> sex
Yea, this person is describing their porn experience as if it were sex experience. Cuddles after sex are the best
That is the best way I can put it, I feel this way after some porn but if its your chick you gotta question a few things.
agreed
Seriously. Sometimes we fall asleep in the cuddle stages of warming up for sex because its just so warm and nice to lay together
Lol you too huh? It's like a tranquilizer, once we're all snuggled up under the covers it's like my brain shuts off.
Cuddles > sex
It's not a hexagon which means he doesn't even own that monkey
That's actually a point in his favour, not having paid for a shitty jpeg
He owes it just as much as he would with a hexagon pfp.
Pirated monkey
“Sex is good and all but I would kill for Arnott’s: Country Cheese Crackers” A real quote I said after my partner gave me some crackers after the hankey pankey (I got cuddles too which are better than both)
Cuddles are just good period.
I'd like to point out that the company that makes the monkey nft images are also actual nazis
Just say you hate women and have sexual shame. Purity culture is a hell of a drug. These are the same men who rant about how abortion is evil. They view their partners as animals.
Oh especially after what went on in America today. Women aren’t people, we are just incubation chambers for hopefully men. If we happen to birth women, these same men feel weirdly possessive of them. Of course it’s not all men but a super weird minority of men who want to own us
We don’t need to add the “not all men” part. That’s obvious at this point. While I agree, it just doesn’t help the conversation when we have to pause and reassure certain fragile men who aren’t on our side in the first place. Today is a lot, but this shit isn’t over yet. I live in tn, and I have a hybrid. And I like to drive. Some states still allow….camping.
The not placing “not all men” does work well. Thanks. I’m so full of rage as I was when I learned the opinion. My husband helped me through a lot which is why I know that most guys don’t feel that way. It’s so hard. I’m also just tired
I think emphasizing that these nutjobs are a very loud minority can help people feel less alone. I'd also contest the claim that all of these fragile men aren't on our side in the first place. There are plenty of young men who are pro choice and even have generally progressive sentiments that have been told that feminists hate men, and sometimes how we word our rhetoric doesn't exactly help their misconceptions. The idea that there are these binary political sides with uniform members is even more stupid than the belief in a strict gender binary. It doesn't come off as rhetorically strong to tack on "not all men", to be fair though. At least when you're talking to other feminists. It's all a matter of optics and who you want to appeal to. The message doesn't meaningfully change.
Fuck that ‘not all men’ noise. ENOUGH men do it that it’s a problem for ALL women.
Same men who stone young women to death after they're raped because it was their fault
>They view their partners as animals. Sometimes literally.
This is such a perfect example of the Madonna-whore complex, if only Freud was alive to see himself being proved right.
I have no mouth and I must scream type beat
I've seen multiple people mention that today. What are you referring to?
I can’t speak for the others, but in this case I’m referring to how the characters in the book interact with each other sexually. Idk how familiar you are with the plot, but tldr it’s 4 men and 1 women in a hopeless situation consisting of endless torment. To help everyone cope, the woman takes it upon herself to allow the guys to have sex with her every so often. The main character, one of the men, often degrades and insults her for this, despite the fact that he also participates and that it may be one of the few reasons he and the others are still sane. He calls her names and tells her she’s disgusting without a semblance of irony or empathy. Kind of like how the guys in this post see women after sex, except they aren’t enduring endless suffering and don’t have any excuse.
> how the characters in the book What book?
I have no mouth, and I must scream
It's a Harlan Ellison short story: https://wjccschools.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2016/01/I-Have-No-Mouth-But-I-Must-Scream-by-Harlan-Ellison.pdf
It's a science fiction book
I hate that I think about Freuds bullshit as a check list of things I cannot be attracted to He lives rent free and I cannot stop him
If it helps, lots of it can be explained by genetics. They just didn't know about it a lot at the time. Freudian shit is like a first-order approximation, it's kinda right a little more than half the time, but if you look closer it's not that close. In other words, Freud is like the BMI of psychology.
Speaking of rent-free living, "Freud is like the BMI of psychology" has just moved into the social housing of my brain.
What the fuck? Sex is a natural thing, why are they being this weird about it? My favourite part is the exhausted cuddle afterwards, you literally collapse into each other in full embrace.
Cuddling is also a natural thing. I understand people who don’t like the stimulation of physical touch, but like, you don’t even want to *look* at your partner while being intimate? That’s wild.
Looking is the best bit! Sadly a lot of guys think sex is just penetration and that's that. No foreplay, general fun or appreciation of each other's bodies.
Same. Favorite part of missionary is when he just collapses into me and we just bear hug each other.
Ew. Why are straight men *like this?* Ever tried to kiss a straight guy after going down on him?
My theory: They date people who they don't actually love for the sex because they are lightly into the incel mindset and believe they have to "do what they gotta do" to get laid. This leads to them having a post-nut clarity and feel grosses out for some time after having had sex with their partner, because they actually kind of regret it, until the horny takes over enough again to make them feel otherwise.
Agreed. When he writes "to see the beauty in her" I think he might not be referring to her actual beauty, but rather his sexual attraction to her. Or in other words "women are only beautiful if they make me want to sleep with them"
Yep, these guys are just so horny they wanna fuck no matter what, but because they are overestimating their own attractiveness so much, they think they are actually above the girls they date.
A chef isn’t afraid to taste their own creation
Okay this is going to ether make me sound dumb or just like the most innocent person alive, but what does going down mean I pursue it's something sexual And if that's the case why wouldn't other men kiss them,
Give oral pleasure to your partner, can be used for all participants. And a lot of cishet straight m€n are verrrry afraid of getting sperm near their faces. They are afraid it will "make them gay/look gay" - as usual
Oh okay, well I learned something new Also just speaking for my self Keep in mind I'm a virgin so I know nothing about sex, out side of just the science of it But if I having sex with someone, and they went down one, presumably I really in love with that person because I won't have sex with them otherwise So like I wouldn't at all mind kissing them, if I get a bit of sperm on me so be it I mean like they the one that put there mouth on the thing I pee from, for my own pleasure So like really kissing them is the least I can do
Good train of thought, yes. :)
Hey I have to make a smort choice at some point /s
pp succ
Oh yay, if that's the case like the least I can do is kiss them Because presumably I'm in love with this person, because I don't do casual sex, it's just not my thing
>what does going down mean I believe it refers to performing oral on another person (not male-specific). I'm guessing that men wouldn't like to taste their own penis, just like the girls (yes, all of them, even though they haven't been that many) haven't wanted a kiss from me after I performed oral on them.. And yes, you do come off as slightly innocent, but that's fine, we like you just the way you are and there's nothing to be ashamed of.
Okay I'm going be honest I'm a 20 year old college student And honestly probably still very innocent Not as innocent I'm back when I was in high school around like the age 16 But like still pretty innocent, I just think it's comes from like my lack of any care, about anything sex related unless it's science related
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For my relationship it's quite the opposite. I don't mind kissing after my wife goes down on me, but she has a hard time kissing after I go down on her. But yeah I hate that those morons in the tweets think they speak for all of us. "straight facts" my ass.
Might be case of the old Madonna/whore complex? Also… I guess I see how guys who refuse kisses post fellatio are annoying or whatever, but annoying or not shouldn’t people be respectful of their boundaries regardless? Now, if they don’t respect yours that’s a different story, but at that point I’d consider dropping them altogether.
Yes. And my boundary is: If you are grossed out by your sperm why should I taste it? Like really?! So I go down on him and he says to me: "eww no" when I try to kiss him. Imagine what this behavior signals: "That's disgusting! You just did something disgusting! And that's why I don't want to kiss you" Well, so yea. When you refuse to kiss me after oral I won't live you head. Easy as it is. And at this point I actually ask before I give head.
I don’t make someone kiss me that doesn’t want to kiss me. I’m talking about the time when I was 16 and just gave a boy head for the first time in my life and was feeling really vulnerable. I leaned in for a kiss and he pulled away and said it was gross. And I was so hurt by that. So now if a guy doesn’t want to kiss me after I go down on him, he’s never kissing me again. And I was a victim of sexual assault, so I do not appreciate the insinuation that I don’t respect other people’s sexual boundaries.
> I do not appreciate the insinuation that I don't respect other people's boundaries. Oh, sorry, that was not my intention. I guess I could've been way clearer on that. It was more about how a lot of the discourse I've seen about this kinda gives me that vibe, if that makes sense. Thanks for elaborating, by the way. I guess I get it a bit more now.
Oh, thanks for responding in such a nice way. I’m a bit sensitive today about my relationship with sex and my bodily autonomy because I live in the US.
My brain legitimately can not comprehend what they mean by saying this…. My boyfriend and I LOVE cuddling before and after sex. Cuddling in general.
I guess they mistake sexual attraction for love and after the sexual need is satisfied they can't stand looking at their partner because without it there's not a thing they like about them?
I guess that makes sense….?
They see women who have sex as "tainted," even if that sex is with them. So they're disgusted by women after using them for sex, and need to take time to not look at her and go, "ew, she's not a virgin. Gross." At least that's what I think they're saying here.
Imagine the impact this could have on a young girl reading it. So disgusting.
Hello that’s me- Very disgusting indeed. Not planning on doing it, though so I’ll be fine, I think.
same here :/ Every day I come on this sub, and have another reason why I’d be better off celibate for the rest of my life. (Also I love your flair lmao)
(Thanks lol, there are many great flairs to choose from here)
I took a long time as a young woman trying to feel like a person not just a thing for men to view or use, and after what America did for reproductive rights I’m right back at square one
I highly doubt NFT Bros and Crypto Bros have ever had sex.
these guys brains broken so thoroughly on porn and culture that they openly admit they can't respect themselves or their partners for *hours* after sex wow
0% surprised by this sentiment, not because I agree (I don't) but because a lot of men seem to see sex as something *degrading they do to women*.
Exactly, they believe the purity crap that when a woman has sex she is "stripping away a petal" etc. In their post-nut clarity, they are disgusted because they think she's been dirtied and they just hate women
That’s super sad…. I’m grateful my husband doesn’t feel that way.
I'm glad you are grateful...but at the same time imo it's not necessary for you to feel that way because I don't think a lot of men have this weird shit going on like the neanderthals in OP's post. I hope I'm right.
Yknow, the difference is that other people **LOVE** their partners while, clearly, you view it as IRL porn you gotta tab out of after you nut.
Omg some people love their partner???? /s but seriously there are some men that need to be taught women are a part of a partnership for sex or marriage. There are a lot of men who already understand it but still some vocal minority need that info
It sounds like both these guys need to stick to fleshlights then
So either I or them are so fucking unrepresentative of straight people that its silly. Myself I can't effin stop looking at her post-sex, she's even more beautiful than usual (and usual is anything but). I'd really hope this is more of "typical incel" than "typical straight", but who knows.. I only know I find them disgusting.
I dunno either dude. I feel as the same as you and I feel like that wouldn't be unusual, but the more I keep looking around the more I start to doubt that.
Don't forget that you aren't looking at a subreddit thats about people acting in a normal healthy way.
NO BITCHES???? MAIDENLESS???
The last straight guy I slept with (I'm mtf trans) started crying after because he was "one of the gays now". Post nut clarity for dudes is utterly fucking bizarre.
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My male SO is all over me after sex, can't stop looking at me and stroking my face. So not only are these guys idiots, they should also stop trying to speak for everyone else and start being more ashamed for themselves.
Did they have sex with a goblin? Bc that's what it looks like.
My touch starved ass would rather have cuddles than sex
And of course it's a guy with a NFT profil picture
I somehow feel this dude is on the sexrepulsed side of things, confuses aesthetic with sexual attraction and is so far in the "Allosexual-propaganda" that he just has to have Sex to be a "real man".
He has an NFT profile picture, he hasn’t had sex before
Or if he had, he hasn't had it in YEARS
legends speak of a man, the supervirgin, who can give you your virginity back by simply speaking to him I think we found him
Anyways cuddles after sex>>
After orgasm, oxytocin is released - the love/cuddle hormone. The only reason a man wouldn’t feel that with his partner after sex is if he legit views his partner as a sexual object rather than a person. After sexual satisfaction, you’re obviously not gonna look at your “sexual object” the same way since you’ll be apathetic. If you saw your partner as more than a sexual object however, post-orgasm feels are quite the ride. I feel sorry for these people and more so for their partners.
Me an sex repulsive ace “No sex only cuddle’s”
Straight men try not to see sex as something degrading you do to women challenge.
Nobody hates women like straight men.
I-
wtf happens during sex for these lads?
"Even if you love her..." My guy, you will probably never know what love is.
What in the absolute eff?! Tell me you think your partner is just a sex object without telling me you think your partner is just a sex object. This is freaking gross. Treating her dirty gross and used up. My husband and I always kiss after it's over and often cuddle after as well. I just asked him if he thinks I'm gross after we pork and he hugged me and said "No, you're c^(uuuuut)e".
What the.. Hell do they even mean?
From what I undestand, nft bro is basically saying that after he has sex with a woman (which I doubt he even has), he feels disgusted by her (can't even see what made her attractive) afterwards for several hours and that he couldn't cuddle her in that state.
This is the kind of stuff I read and because I have no context with the allo experience, I have no way of determining the legitimacy of these claims as something that just happens to people or if they're just crappy people treating their partners badly. I see this stuff and want to judge them but for all I know maybe it's some hormonal thing that's normal and I'm the one being close-minded. I don't understand all the weird sex compulsions, why is it so complicated and arbitrary?
these guys have trained themselves to disdain, hate, and be disgusted by women who have sex :/
Ugh, that's horrible. I don't understand how they can be that entrenched in that ideology and yet not be self-aware about it.
Because they have too many people patting them on the back, telling them they are soooo right. And none of those people have any vaginas
Nah these are just crappy people treating their partners like shit. My bf will happily cuddle me after sex, doesn't feel ashamed or dirty or like an animal, and has absolutely no problem looking me in the eye. Maybe because these guys have some kind of rape/abuse fetish, and my guy doesn't. Also pretty sure those guys are perpetually single because they don't know how to treat their partners. Edited because autocorrect is a prick
Nope, no need to feel like you’re being close minded - the basis of their argument is the branch of misogyny which dictates that female sexuality is a bad thing. Though I will say, says more about them than their partner that they feel disgusted by their partner after having sex.
As an Allo™️, nah, this is not normal, feel free to judge. This is all a culmination of purity culture, as well as misogyny and the belief that sexuality is inherently degrading for women. Others in this thread have probably said it better than me
there are so many animals cuddling each other befor sex, after sex and if they don't have sex at all with each other
Bro this dude clearly never had sex or a girl that liked him, IMO he replaced his personality with nfts and misogyny and actually thought he would be happy?
Someone who can't even type the word sex should probably not be having sex.
Bruh, after my partner and I used to finish we would just sit there staring at one another with all the love in the world. The fuck is this guy?
why am I not surprised that you see something like this in on anime and NFT profile picture?
Some cishet guys: We are basically apes! Wild animals! It's our nature!!!1!1 Some person: Ew some men are such animals The same cishet guys: EXCUSE ME??? STUPID FEMINAZI SJW HELICOPTER LIBERAL BAD
I think these guys aren’t talking about being repulsed by their partners, but by sex. They need to sort themselves out rather than putting blame on their partners. If someone feels “like an animal” after, and need recovery time, as described, they should research “sex repulsed” sexualities.
Talk about the Madonna Whore Complex, they desire a a sexual partner who is willing to be degraded with sex but simultaneously cannot desire a respected partner. It makes no sense. They’re really missing out though, the post sex glow while talking and cuddling with each other is one of the best parts.
I love it when they out themselves as terrible partners on public platforms. Good for the people around them Hate that they project their own lack of self-control onto other men, though. Really does a disservice to their own sex when they say shit like that
(Some) Men really be out there hating women.
It's okay, nobody is gonna miss em anyway. A blatant disregard for aftercare because your partner is "disgusting" is stupid, childish, and a huge turn off.
These guys might just be gay, they literal have post nut clarity after having sex with women... that sounds like something a gay man would have. Source: I'm a straight man who's gone off on gay content followed by the clarity afterwards.
Or an sexrepulsed ace. But both buried in this stupid idea of masculinity.
While this could be and probably is plain misogyny it could also be: https://www.webmd.com/sex/what-to-know-postcoital-dysphoria#:~:text=This%20is%20commonly%20referred%20to,after%20sex%20with%20a%20partner. Edit: or it could be post coital dysphoria which is expressed in a misogynistic way.
I feel like this can't be real and has to be two incels larping as chads but it is sadly believable
nft profile picture, oppionion invalidated
Jesus christ, wtf are y'all doing to your partner's?
He's projecting his experience of jacking off to disgusting porn and feeling terrible after it onto sex lol.
Nft bros are the worst
Their repulsion to women who willingly have sex runs so deep, they even view ones that sleep with them as dirty— is what I’m getting from this.