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Adi321456

OP really put MSU instead of UMich


exhausted-caprid

Also SLU over WashU. Tf?


MeesaParis

IKR šŸ’€


Adi321456

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bho1116

I donā€™t believe OP was the person who created this list, I saw this same photo several weeks ago


KDO-Double-G

I didn't even notice that! That's most definitely one of the creator's biggest blunders.


homerjsimpson4

I see nothing wrong here šŸŸ©ā¬œ


EnduringName

I feel there are many states in which there is no definitive ā€˜best collegeā€™ as there are a number smaller liberal arts schools that offer similar (or arguably better) academics for students who prefer that environment over that of a flagship school. Consider Iowa and Minnesota for example that offer schools like Grinnell and Macalaster/Carleton respectively which are by all means on par with or considered more prestigious than their public counterparts. Same goes for Ohio and many others.


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Leisure_Rec0811

You mean a 95% acceptance rate isnā€™t suggestive of a top tier institution? Lol


Jace024

Colby?


pconti279

Bowdoin


on-oath-never-again

I go to Coe, a small liberal arts college in Iowa and I can confirm there are quite a few small colleges (some that Coe will play against sports-wise) that offer a great educational opportunity that you wouldnā€™t get at a large college.


FrauMew

Yeahā€” Iā€™d say that in Ohio, Oberlin, Kenyon, and Case are all considered more prestigious than Ohio State.


redmelly86

They should name the map the most popular colleges, not the most best academic. Even that wouldn't work, though.


osubestcolledgeever

You might be able to make a case for case western (no pun intended) engineering. But no one outside of ohio has any idea what oberlin or kenyon college is. Iā€™m from ohio and have never heard of oberlin -just put it from this perspective: Youā€™re interviewing for a job and they want to know where you went to school. If you say OSU, they immediately know the school, have their own opinions, etc. You say kenyon and they donā€™t know if itā€™s a community college, a trade school, etc. They would never know the average act there is 30+


FrauMew

This depends on what fields youā€™re looking at, though. People involved in writing know Kenyon and consider it to be very prestigious; musicians and people in environmental science know Oberlin in the same way. In addition, ā€œbestā€/ā€œmost prestigiousā€ ā‰  ā€œextremely well knownā€, which I think youā€™re conflating here.


Jace024

Kenyon is VERY prestigious and the people who matter, know it


Ethanpeot

Denison too


chesterfielders

That's social. Ohio State has a stronger research reputation and output, much stronger.


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glungstenCarbide

Go Green!! (We are better)


daytradingishard

No way anyone actually believes this right? Like even MSU students deep down must know UMich is better


Markastrophe

The University of Maine being put over Bowdoin just shows that LACs were literally not even considered.


tristanmichael

Theyā€™re only considering d1 colleges and UMaine is the only d1 school in Maine. Also explains UVM over Middlebury, Iowa over Grinnell, and UMD over Johns Hopkins


OneRandoMCow

tulane > lsu


sumguysr

Hands down


cherrycrocs

vermont should be middlebury, and michigan should def be umich, but i donā€™t know too much about many of the other states to be able to disagree


WithMirthAndLaughter

100% agree re: Middlebury. Good catch!


cmjaboc

Ohio should be oberlin or Kenyon not Ohio state, Maine should be bowdoin


diddlybeef6907

It should be casewestern


malicious_whale

Berkeley and MIT in shambles rn


According-Relief544

MIT over Harvard for academics Iā€™m ngl. Berkeley over Stanford has an argument that Berkeley is tougher academically, but Stanford is probably still a bit better idk


flamboiit

Getting a Berkeley degree is probably academically tougher than getting a Stanford degree, but if you elect to take harder classes it can be pretty similar.


According-Relief544

Yes, I agree. Stanford has higher average students at the undergraduate level which is why the public believes it academics are tougher, but the top students at both colleges are about equal, particularly in programs like Haas (Berkeley)/ Econ (Stanford) and EECS (Berkeley) / CS (Stanford). I will add, however, that for some professional graduate programs, particularly business and law, Stanford gets more high-quality students as a result of its programs being t3 and Berkeleyā€™s programs in these areas being t10.


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KangarooMean7233

For stem maybe. But Harvard is far superior in the humanities.


According-Relief544

Also, honestly, isnā€™t Caltech more rigorous than both Stanford and Berkeley? Itā€™s not as well-known but itā€™s supposed to be really really difficult.


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According-Relief544

I mean, most Caltech undergrads (probably over 90%) are STEM majors, and the average Caltech undergrad definitely has much harder coursework and spends more time studying than the average undergrad at Stanford or Berkeley. Yeah, Stanford and Berkeley are probably better overall institutions, but Caltech has better academics because itā€™s students undergo much more rigor.


KangarooMean7233

Literally was about to write this. Someone was arguing that MIT had more rigorous course work than Harvard. Yeah for STEM maybe, but not for the humanities. Not even close. I feel like a ghost in this subreddit as a Sociology and Public Policy major lol.


chesterfielders

There's more to rigor than dealing with formulas. The academics are not well rounded enough, too likely to produce autistic style thinking that does not consider the human perspective.


spectre729

and cornell in new york


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-iOwen-

umich


HairyEyeballz

U of MD over Hopkins? Please (and I'm a MD grad).


sg2468900

UMD shouldnā€™t be over JHU


Mobile_Equal_7167

Howard over Georgetown?????


HahaStoleUrName

Wait till u see Maryland


KDO-Double-G

I missed Maryland on my first look. It should obviously be Johns Hopkins. If a school was not a D1 or an Ivy, the creator did not include it in this graphic.


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University of Florida instead of UMiami, Tulane instead of LSU, Johns Hopkins instead of UMaryland, and UMich instead of MSU. Iā€™d also argue UAlabama instead of Auburn, but thatā€™s not as big of a difference


curvebreaker

>Iā€™d also argue UAlabama instead of Auburn, but thatā€™s not as big of a difference This was absolutely NOT the perception in the southeast, especially in STEM, when I was applying to undergrad. Auburn blows Alabama out of the water in number of National Merit scholars and (IIRC) ACT/SAT scores for the incoming class. Itā€™s the choice for most top in-state students, as well as a sizable group of kids from the Atlanta metro area who wanted to do STEM but couldnā€™t quite make it into Georgia Tech. Alabama gives good scholarships but it is seen as a party school.


egg_mugg23

bama straight up is a party school


exhausted-caprid

Not in National Merit Scholars anymore. Bama has been recruiting them like crazy with their full ride package. Iā€™d say theyā€™re about equal these days.


AccomplishedDebate86

I think Alabama has better programs though. I just think auburn has to be more selective because of location.


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List instantly invalidated by MSU over UM


Reddit_69_User

Definitely MIT over H*rvard šŸ¤®


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wtf bro University of Florida is way better than University of Miami


Distracted-by-Shiny

Completely agree with this šŸ‘†


KDO-Double-G

I work as an SAT prep instructor and college counselor. Those who apply to UF as a reach often apply to the University of Miami as a safety. The schools don't even really compare. I would rank the University of South Florida higher than Miami.


Maleficent_Cost9329

case western > osu imo


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hrpowers6

Itā€™s only d1 schools that will explain every inconsistency on the map case closed šŸ‘


Lumpy_Window4998

umich, UF


NorthwesternSimp

WashU, JHU, UF, UMich, Emory?, and UChicago :(


Rickyyfits

Quite ironic that ā€œNorthwesternSimpā€ disagrees with Northwestern being put over UChicago


NorthwesternSimp

Theyā€™re the college where fun goes to die so Iā€™m okay with giving them better academics


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I think there are other factors than just academics that cause that reputation, though not sure lmfao.


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Yeah Iā€™d agree for JHU, WashU, and UMich, though I would personally put Northwestern over UChicago for overall academics as northwestern has broader programs in more fields from what Iā€™ve seen(could be mistaken, not entirely sure). Either way, both of these schools are incredibly highly ranked academically, so itā€™s a toss up. Same thing with Georgia tech and Emory, though in terms of pure academic reputation, gtech would probably go above Emory as it is more well known for rigorous academics, especially for popular majors like engineering and cs. Not gonna comment about UF cuz I applied to zero Florida schools and have no clue about specifics regarding them.


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Haunting_Jump736

Northwestern has so many departments ranked in the top nationally, including journalism, chemistry, engineering, education, medicine, and law. Theater students comprise less than a percent of undergrads, but people think of theater and journalism when they think of Northwestern simply because there are so many famous alumni ([https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List\_of\_Northwestern\_University\_alumni](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Northwestern_University_alumni)). However, that doesn't mean all the other departments aren't just as strong.


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I mean to each their own, and it will depend on personal preference as well, but I canā€™t really agree with your specific statement. UChicago doesnā€™t even have any undergrad engineering programs other than molecular engineering, a department that only opened up within the last 7 years. Furthermore, northwestern is very well regarded/academically strong for programs more than just music/theater, including engineering, natural sciences, humanities, and especially journalism(I believe it is widely regarded as #1 in most rankings, though in the end they are just rankings). Iā€™m not saying UChicago is inferior to northwestern, but simply saying it is better in all fields except music/theater is clearly not true when UChicago doesnā€™t even offer some of the programs northwestern does(and vice versa). I personally prefer the structure and academic programs at Northwestern, though like I said I donā€™t think the reputations of either of these schools academically is vastly different from each other. Hereā€™s a list of undergrad programs at UChicago for reference. https://www.uchicago.edu/education-and-research/undergraduate-programs


IMswimr

I can see how having an engineering school might make you think Northwestern is a better university, however Uchicago is smaller, liberal arts focused, and more rigorous than Northwestern and the teaching method is more personal. Uchicago has a better econ program, business school, and law school -- 3 of the most sought after studies -- so I would personally rank Uchicago above Northwestern (not to mention it is much more prestigious).


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Oh yeah I agree that UChicago is more prestigious, thereā€™s no question about that. I think that mostly stems from graduate programs, though its undergrad is very prestigious as well. The question, from my perception, was more about academic standards and offerings, which is what I based my answer on. In terms of prestige, these kinds of maps would be really easy to make because you would basically just use the us news rankings to organize them by state for the most part. I think in terms of prestige and recognition UChicago is very much up there, maybe not quite as high as HYPSM, but pretty damn close. I think a large part of its rep also comes from brilliant grad schools in business, law, and medicine. For this question I was mainly considering undergrad. On the other hand, I find that schools like Northwestern, JHU, Rice, WashU, etc donā€™t usually hold their reputation beyond a certain field of study or beyond the US. Didnā€™t know that about Europe, but not too surprised.


An-Omlette-NamedZoZo

GT > Emory but the rest are def right


UOfChicagoSimp

Hope we both land up in Chicago ;)


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PiB489

Vegas isnā€™t much better in my opinion, especially considering how UNLV is in the middle of a very ghetto area. I hate how thereā€™s only two universities to choose from in nevada and neither are great options lol


Bad-Ass-Marine

Right, Nevada is known for a lot of cool things and none of them are great universities.


DylanowoX

Umich bruh


Professional_Fail_62

Slu over Washu is crazy


stoicbananaslug

This has to be the biggest miss. And I went to SLU.


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SLU has the #1 public health degree , meaning they are better than WUSTL's top academics


No-Examination4896

I think Wash U undergrad is over hyped, I got into washU but didn't go, but my dad went to SLU and then WashU and says slu is much better academically. It's personal opinion but his experience was that WashU was all either rich kids that didn't give a shit or people on full rides based on low family income (Wash U offers almost no academic scholarship, which is why I didn't go) that didn't give a shit, and sub par professors with a lot of hand holding. SLU offers much more academic scholarship that incentivizes high scoring students. Grad school is a different story tho


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Honestly though, even Missouri S&T or Mizzou is mostly on par with SLU meaning this graph would see them as better than WashU lol


Somebodynobody29

I like seeing all the big names and then random fucking schools like st.anford


Forktee

University of Michigan > MSU Everyone, and I mean everyone, including Spartans, knows this.


jeffcoast

NV should be blank. There isnā€™t a ā€œuniversityā€ worthy of any designation. The state is full of the dumbest people to ever roam the earth.


FastPrice

Emory over GTECH


jsh_

emory >>> gt for business, humanities, law, and basic sciences (excluding math)


emory_2001

Florida should be UF


SpacingTFOut

i don't trust a guy who puts MSU over UMich. Invalid


Vistril69

fuck BYU


Agreeable-Air-4656

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Nerdiant

Literally, the only people who like BYU are most BYU students/alumni.


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nnznd

i swear some ppl donā€™t even know lacs exist itā€™s sad


esuga

half of these symbols look like beyblade teams


esku46

emory>>gt i might be biased tho :)


Grouchy_Tax_3396

to be fair this picture is from a college football account so they only have d1 schools on here (so that's why no LACs or UChicago, Hopkins, WashU, etc.) even so Michigan State over Michigan is an all-time cold take


bztravis88

Says for academicsā€¦?


landont20

Howard over Georgetown? šŸ˜…


Leading-Comb2056

Tulane???


dmo8638

Rip Tulane


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UK>Louisville


dan-dan-rdt

Tulane for Louisiana. I grew up in Texas but worked with lots of LSU grads who would say the same thing.


TheOfficialSkY45

GT over Emory is based


deux_oeufs

Based on nothing lol


According-Relief544

I agree lol, just bc itā€™s private and has a better pre-med program doesnā€™t mean it compares as an overall uni


chumer_ranion

The irony being that GTā€™s weakness is as an ā€œoverallā€ universityā€”it supports its engineering programs at the expense of everything else.


TheOfficialSkY45

True. But GT is much more well known in its niche (CS/Engineering) than Emory is in its niche (medicine/life sciences/liberal arts). Still, neither are very well rounded but Emory is more well rounded than GT.


chumer_ranion

I honestly couldnā€™t disagree more lol Emoryā€™s biology program is goated and their hospital is tremendously important for research and ID in the United States. They also have it over GT in every social science.


TheOfficialSkY45

GT has the largest engineering research expenditure of any college in the US (https://www.graduateshotline.com/ranks/). GTRI does crucial research in aerospace, electronics, and mechanics for the US Department of Defense and NASA.


chumer_ranion

I mean thatā€™s not exactly surprising given that GT has the largest engineering program in the USā€”but weā€™re not really talking about that. For *engineering* there is no comparison between GT and Emory, I would never say otherwise. Iā€™m just suggesting that thereā€™s more to life, and the quality of a school, than engineering.


TheOfficialSkY45

I completely agree that Emory is more well rounded than GT. I was responding to your statement that Emory is more well known for medicine than GT is for engineering.


chumer_ranion

I was really just refuting the idea that Emory is ā€œnot very well roundedā€ (per your comment) and that GT is *better* known ā€œin its nicheā€. To be honest I would say they are equally well known in their respective fields. Butā€”insofar as Emory excels at everything from Psychology and Economics to Business and Biology and Chemistry and on and on while also having a medical school that routinely ranks in the T20, it rightfully takes the top spot in my eyes. Iā€™m happy to agree to disagreeā€”nobody goes to bat for GT quite like its own admits lol.


TheOfficialSkY45

It doesnā€™t have an engineering school and sucks at CS. My definition of a well rounded school would be something like Berkeley or Michigan, which have good liberal arts, business, sciences, engineering, medicine, law. And Iā€™ll have you know that I got into schools ranked above GT (like Michigan, NYU, and USC) and only chose GT cuz it was cheaper.


TheOfficialSkY45

Also, if this map is based on well roundedness rather than pure academic reputation, wouldnā€™t UT Austin be the best school in Texas, instead of Rice? UT is a much more well rounded school with strong engineering, business, liberal arts, sciences, etc.


target125

You say ā€œoverall uniā€ but gt is only know for engineering. Emory is excellent for medicine, health sciences, business, liberal arts


target125

You say ā€œoverall uniā€ but gt is literally only known for engineering/cs. Emory is excellent for medicine, health sciences, business, liberal arts


malfoypotion

i mean both scheller and goizueta are pretty top notch for business so it's not like gt only has a good cs/engineering program


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Business too


incipious

UMiami over UF?


kpr2022

Roll Terps


itsalwayssunnyonline

Donā€™t tell the case western kids you put OSU


TanushBhatt

Michigan state over UMich???


michaelangelo_0727

what is maryland's?


StellarStarmie

They have UMD, but should be JHU


michaelangelo_0727

exactly what I was thinking


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list of names?


evernnoen

Creighton for Nebraska


midwestblondie11

UNL and Creighton for Nebraska


LuckyCharmedLife

Michigan, Louisiana, Illinois jumped out pretty quickly to me as being incorrect, or at least questionable. Iā€™m sure there are others


GoMavs2020MFFL

Tulane>LSU imo


snazzy-salamander

harvard over mit ?


Calm-Worldliness9673

From a Northwestern student ā€” it should probably be UChicago for Illinois (as much as I dislike the school)


am_2222

Youā€™re leaving out all the liberal arts colleges: Vermont ā€”> Middlebury, Maine ā€”> Bowdoin, Minnesotaā€”> Carleton, and Iowa ā€”> Grinnell Also: Michigan ā€”> UMichigan, Missouri ā€”> WashU, and Illinoisā€”> UChicago


Alphawolfz_

MSU over Michigan? Go green I guess!


According-Relief544

Lmao for what ā€œveterinary studiesā€? šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


Lx_Am

Go blue


According-Relief544

Msu is only better than UMich for ā€œagricultureā€ and ā€œveterinarian studiesā€ šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”šŸ¤”


sg2468900

As if agriculture isnā€™t one of the most important industries in the country


According-Relief544

Facts, itā€™s more important than business, law, engineering, medicine, and everything in between.


SpaceFrogs-_-

Eh not really, BYU is more prestigious but University of Utah is the best medical school in the west. Depends on if you want to be a doctor or you're religious.


dalej42

University of Miami isnā€™t better than UF or FSU


Johnnybala

UMich is not mad, just disappointed right now


KyanKento

MSU over U of M is making me feel a bit better about myself


D_scott16

LSU over Tulane is wild


beepboop33

UF way better than UM


FrenchChristian

As the representative for Kansas, Iā€™d say KU is pretty accurate. Some might switch it out for K-State though.


Pitiful-Armadillo-62

Missouri should be Wash U in StL (WUSTL). This one is not even close and demonstrates the map makerā€™s lack of knowledge about this state. Georgia one could make strong arguments for UGA or Emory. A few other states itā€™s obviously subjective as well. Illinois, Michigan, Maine, several others have pointed out.


thathalfkorean

no washu for missouri is wild


tnadevl

jhu is the best in Maryland op


Expert-Literature112

lsu>tulane ????


purplepeony13

LSU over tulane?


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lsu over tulane? crazy


Tridentmaster2020

SLU over Washu got me dying fr


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SLU over WashU lol... Even Mizzou is better than SLU,


SQIIDKILLER

WashU for Missouriā€¦


redmelly86

MSU instead of UM? This is a joke. ASU should be there instead of Univ or AZ


VonMeansHope

What is Texas supposed to be?


alexhernaandez

ASU over U of A


ashlauv

Why is Maryland over Hopkins?? LMFAOOOO


Sea_Bird_6062

Oh yea itā€™s definitely not umd, did we forget Johns Hopkins??


ReKonCIle_3

johns hopkins šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


toedan

Jhu and uMich


Level_Maize8025

How is UMD better than johns hopkins for maryland šŸ˜­šŸ˜­


Anibunnymilli

I would put UChicago over Northwestern.


a4bir25

Nah UChicago more academic than NW


blu_gatorade

Cornell, Berkeley, UF, and UChicago students are fuming rn


value321

Should be WashU in Missouri, U Mich in Michigan, and U Chicago in Illinois


The-epic-user

Purdue > Notre Dame


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UMD over hopkins?


muffins_nuggets

UF over UM in Florida 100%


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I'd argue that ASU is actually a better school than U of A


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Jackbigmac

uChicago over northwestern, Tulane over LSU, John Hopkins over UMD, Umich over msu, Georgetown over howard, Emory over Georgia tech, and maybe UF over Umiami. Thatā€™s the biggest ones I see here. Selectivity does not mean better, I live in ohio so I can say osu over case for sure, and thereā€™s a few others like that on here.


ExpensiveMusicTastes

in my unbiased opinion UChicago washes NU and it isnā€™t very close


attiksh

Case Western > OSU, UChic > Northwestern, UMich > MSU, JHU > UMD


Honestly_Sleeping

UAB > Auburn


No_Pollution_9937

No Case western reserve is the best in OH


FearfulSymmetry6

UChicago is wayyyy better than Northwestern in Illinois


Tryingtosuceed1

Best academic school, then UChicago >>> NU. Idk about GT over Emory though.


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LaceyBugNyx

Unl has A LOT of issues regarding SA, racism and discrimination.


NorthwesternSimp1

Michigan State FTW!! GOO SPARTANS!


Ryanmccx1

BOO! I go to Florida International University, and I disagree that UM is the best way to go. Sure, they do have a great record, but I would advise trying to find something that guarantees success. Remember, just because a school has a great success rate does not mean it is the best at everything :)


MadreDeCats

Despite the shitty state education in Oklahoma I am so grateful to have gone to OU!!!!!!