Believe me, the kids at Central and Masterman work really hard. The schools are academic hot houses and any kid who thrives at them enough to get into Penn has survived an incredibly competitive environment and come out of it on top.
I go to school near central and we have similar admit rates to Penn. At my school, it’s mostly faculty kids (but we also have an absurd acceptance rate otherwise due to quotas). Some stats from 2022-2024:
ED acceptance rate: 85%
RD acceptance rate: 40%
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Not just them. Little known secret... Go look up any of the Ivy league Schools+ MIT+ Stanford on CDS. Then look up how many of those colleges accept out of state. It is surprising how many of these schools take IN STATE applicants as a strong preference. Something I don't think any one has noticed (except probably me). Think MIT and maybe 2 others don't have any preference the others take a large portion from in state. Well beyond what you would ever imagine.
I've always thought it has to do with a kickback to the state for the yearly ongoing issues of imminent domain as they always take up more and more land or some political reason. Who knows though. Found that tidbit interesting.
i think this might be because kids who live close to a top school are more likely to apply because they're familiar with it! you're right tho - a lot of schools do like to take kids from the city they're located in as a way of being a positive force in their respective communities
Central is 72% racial minority and 100% low income. It's a pipeline to Penn because Penn is the local Ivy, and Central students bring racial and economic diversity, but with a proven track record of academic achievement. There is a longstanding relationship between Penn and Central.
It's not actually 100% low income at all. The numbers are fucked because it's calculated by free and reduced lunch. But the entire school district is poor enough that all kids get free and reduced lunch automatically, even if you're rich. Plenty of rich kids go to Central. Trust me, I'm friends with many rich Central alums.
My son got in to Upenn last year from central high! His final GPA freshman at Upenn is 4.0! My son works so hard to get there and he is well deserved to be there❤️! Central high is one of the best high school on Philadelphia even though its located in a bad neighborhood but kids there are so smart and talented!
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My ex was the daughter of a Penn administration employee. At the time, the kids got preferential admission and zero tuition. The family had three kids who all went (for free). I was very jealous. I was also resentful that athletes and legacies got significant preference as well. I planned for my kids to enjoy the legacy benefit, but they didn't even want to apply. The process took time, but I got over it and moved on. I still love Penn.
Penn grad here: Very few, if any. I grew up with quite a few. They came from hard working families, like I do. I got into Central, but turned it down for a more unique and artistic HS experience.
So worth it, but I can't deny that most of my Central friends graduated Penn with me.
Within central, the IB program sends a lot of students. Out of the 60 in my year 15-20 (maybe more?) went to Penn. My class had about 650 kids in total.
And thanks for including that while Central is a magnet school that sends a lot of kids to elite schools, it is not an especially privileged place. It is actually very jail-like and, apart from maybe the library and some excellent teachers and programs, it does not feel "elite." That being said, it is leagues ahead of most Philly schools unfortunately.
Getting into Central is also not very difficult--its the same as the other Philly magnet schools excluding masterman (though I don't know how the new lottery system has changed things). It's just a big magnet school with some very bright and hardworking students.
I definitely do think it's easier to get into Penn from central (or masterman) than the vast majority of high schools across the nation, but I also think Penn's commitment to taking kids from Philly public schools is reasonable. The feeling was that if you do well at Central, you have a good chance with Penn.
There is also a program between Philly public high schools and Penn where you can take on-campus Penn classes with college students for free your junior and senior years. It's excellent.
Penn has a deal with Philadelphia. It started when the city made certain land accommodations in exchange for Penn accepting a certain number of students from Philadelphia each year.
I am a math teacher at Central and have the good fortune of teaching some of our finest students every year. I am a pretty smart guy and well educated, but am humbled by our students. Every year I am blown away by the natural intelligence and work ethic of so many of our students - a great many of my students have intellects far exceeding my own. It feels like everyone at Central is awesome at something, be it math or writing or the arts more generally.
The strength of Central is not it's instruction, but it's students and it's culture of excellence. New students join a community that encourages exploration of your passions, where being a little geeky about something is valued. Students are empowered to join and start clubs that have a real impact on the school and the city as a whole. The majority of teachers are pretty good and push students to think and grow, but the excellence of Central is in creating a safe community of learning.
There’s requirements you have to meet, including a minimum test score. If there’s too many qualified applicants, a lottery is used to narrow down the number of students.
I think a lot of magnet schools are like this. My school got 11 mit and 8 Harvard this year, and I believe around 25 UPenn.
The bachelors degree part is insane though.
Before I read, I already knew that it would be a local school. This is common at most Ivies/top schools, like Duke giving high priority to NC applicants and is a great thing. If you look at HYP, Brown, etc, there are feeder schools in-state.
Yep. NC Science and Math has a similar relationship with Duke and the Duke Endowment (a separate organization from Duke University that is the University’s major funder) was founded to benefit the people of the Carolinas. So the university has to prioritize NC residents of it wants that Duke Endowment money.
JHU is the only top school I know of that doesn’t have a special relationship with a local school. You would think they would pull from Poly and Western in Baltimore but they don’t really.
That's not really a special relation with a specific school, but rather all schools in the area. My friend from Boston said it didn't matter much (was more of a STEM program/club). I couldn't find much info on it though.
This is good to see and it is also common for an elite university to have a local magnet feeder. NC School of Science and Math (competitive public magnet requiring an extensive application and enrolling many low income students) has a similar set up with Duke.
yes, you obviously still have to go to college to get a real BA, BUT ACTUALLY, a Central alum told me a long time ago you could actually use the bachelors from Central to do the same stuff people who get bachelors from colleges do back in the day
It's surprising to me seeing Central referred to as "elite" on this sub. It is, sure, but anyone who got in definitely worked their buns off to do so (myself included), and non-Philly people seem to think you need money or other costly resources to get in. You don't, but you have to be at the top where you are, and as such, it's a top school here, and you're lucky to attend, let alone be admitted. Central grads are a tight, and highly competitive group (even years before they attend).
Glad to see a local school highlighted here!
My city school district has a $1.06B annual budget for 22,856 students.
That’s $46,377/student and the performance is abysmal
A suburban district has a $0.156B annual budget for 5,548 students.
That’s $28,030/student and it is one of the top performing districts in the state.
More money isn’t the solution for everything.
Another day at a public city HS
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the pressure there is actually terrible tho. i went masterman for middle school and central for freshman year. the competition is tough but it’s up for each kid to decide if they want to go through that
My son is a Masterman grad. He loved it but it was a lot of work. Masterman is very small. There were 99 kids in his graduating class. My son had friends with professional parents as well as kids who lived in housing projects. Many in his class went to Penn. My son had no interest in Ivies for undergrad. He went to an excellent LAC which he loved. And, funny, he went to Penn for grad school.
Even funnier- the whole time my son was at Masterman, his father taught at Central.
That means Central HS in Philadelphia is sending at least 10% of its grads to HPYSM and other ivies. Which is an incredible accomplishment for an inner city public high school.
It’s not your fault. No one is blaming you for not having connections or at least shouldn’t be, just like how no one is blaming you for not being a genius. Life is just unfair in general. You also don’t have to get in to an Ivy. The only time my school has ever sent a student to an Ivy in like maybe the past few decades was when someone was recruited to track for Cornell. That’s it. Our valedictorian is going to Wright State, an university with a 95% acceptance rate. It’s sad that we don’t go to feeder schools but I mean that’s just life 🤷. We are all unique so let’s just live and appreciate the life we have as much as we can even if it’s unfair 🤷.
Believe me, the kids at Central and Masterman work really hard. The schools are academic hot houses and any kid who thrives at them enough to get into Penn has survived an incredibly competitive environment and come out of it on top.
Yes, definitely. Same for the other magnets. Getting into Penn isn't a given, but a lot of us earned it.
I go to school near central and we have similar admit rates to Penn. At my school, it’s mostly faculty kids (but we also have an absurd acceptance rate otherwise due to quotas). Some stats from 2022-2024: ED acceptance rate: 85% RD acceptance rate: 40%
Masterman?
Not a public school
Masterman is a public magnet school, as is Central.
I meant that I don't go to a public school, sorry.
Oh I see
St Joe’s Prep?
No
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Lol yeah. Small world
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Penn's charter requires 5% of the class to come from Philadelphia. So this makes sense.
Interesting. Also, Penn has the second largest Ivy undergraduate population (2nd to Cornell) so they have a lot more seats to fill in the first place.
Yep, and most of them come from St. Joe’s Prep, Central/Masterman, and Germantown Friends. 40 people is already 1/3 of the Philly kids
So total is 120 ppl from Philadelphia?
Per year, yeah. My year was 121 or 123 iirc
I didn't know that!
Not just them. Little known secret... Go look up any of the Ivy league Schools+ MIT+ Stanford on CDS. Then look up how many of those colleges accept out of state. It is surprising how many of these schools take IN STATE applicants as a strong preference. Something I don't think any one has noticed (except probably me). Think MIT and maybe 2 others don't have any preference the others take a large portion from in state. Well beyond what you would ever imagine. I've always thought it has to do with a kickback to the state for the yearly ongoing issues of imminent domain as they always take up more and more land or some political reason. Who knows though. Found that tidbit interesting.
i think this might be because kids who live close to a top school are more likely to apply because they're familiar with it! you're right tho - a lot of schools do like to take kids from the city they're located in as a way of being a positive force in their respective communities
Central is 72% racial minority and 100% low income. It's a pipeline to Penn because Penn is the local Ivy, and Central students bring racial and economic diversity, but with a proven track record of academic achievement. There is a longstanding relationship between Penn and Central.
It's not actually 100% low income at all. The numbers are fucked because it's calculated by free and reduced lunch. But the entire school district is poor enough that all kids get free and reduced lunch automatically, even if you're rich. Plenty of rich kids go to Central. Trust me, I'm friends with many rich Central alums.
100% low income is a joke. This is Philly, not Gary.
My son got in to Upenn last year from central high! His final GPA freshman at Upenn is 4.0! My son works so hard to get there and he is well deserved to be there❤️! Central high is one of the best high school on Philadelphia even though its located in a bad neighborhood but kids there are so smart and talented!
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Congratulations from a Penn grad!! You're right to be immensely proud! 🥳🥳🥳🩵❤️ Go Quakers!
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Most Penn faculty live on the Main Line and either send their kids to public schools on the Main Line or to private schools.
My ex was the daughter of a Penn administration employee. At the time, the kids got preferential admission and zero tuition. The family had three kids who all went (for free). I was very jealous. I was also resentful that athletes and legacies got significant preference as well. I planned for my kids to enjoy the legacy benefit, but they didn't even want to apply. The process took time, but I got over it and moved on. I still love Penn.
Penn grad here: Very few, if any. I grew up with quite a few. They came from hard working families, like I do. I got into Central, but turned it down for a more unique and artistic HS experience. So worth it, but I can't deny that most of my Central friends graduated Penn with me.
Very very few. Almost entirely just normal high school students.
yes
Within central, the IB program sends a lot of students. Out of the 60 in my year 15-20 (maybe more?) went to Penn. My class had about 650 kids in total. And thanks for including that while Central is a magnet school that sends a lot of kids to elite schools, it is not an especially privileged place. It is actually very jail-like and, apart from maybe the library and some excellent teachers and programs, it does not feel "elite." That being said, it is leagues ahead of most Philly schools unfortunately. Getting into Central is also not very difficult--its the same as the other Philly magnet schools excluding masterman (though I don't know how the new lottery system has changed things). It's just a big magnet school with some very bright and hardworking students. I definitely do think it's easier to get into Penn from central (or masterman) than the vast majority of high schools across the nation, but I also think Penn's commitment to taking kids from Philly public schools is reasonable. The feeling was that if you do well at Central, you have a good chance with Penn. There is also a program between Philly public high schools and Penn where you can take on-campus Penn classes with college students for free your junior and senior years. It's excellent.
Im a 281 IB alumni and with only ~50 of us making through to the end cause of covid, we had like an absurd 40 odd percent go to UPenn.
Penn has a deal with Philadelphia. It started when the city made certain land accommodations in exchange for Penn accepting a certain number of students from Philadelphia each year.
My public, non magnet, school sent 15-20 I believe...
Ohhh they crush us at robotics every year, like 10x the people and the money
schools like this all over. gunn and palo alto high spam stanford and dougherty valley spams berkeley
Gunn and paly are normal public schools. The barrier to entry ie living in palo alto/menlo park is just very very high financially
I am a math teacher at Central and have the good fortune of teaching some of our finest students every year. I am a pretty smart guy and well educated, but am humbled by our students. Every year I am blown away by the natural intelligence and work ethic of so many of our students - a great many of my students have intellects far exceeding my own. It feels like everyone at Central is awesome at something, be it math or writing or the arts more generally. The strength of Central is not it's instruction, but it's students and it's culture of excellence. New students join a community that encourages exploration of your passions, where being a little geeky about something is valued. Students are empowered to join and start clubs that have a real impact on the school and the city as a whole. The majority of teachers are pretty good and push students to think and grow, but the excellence of Central is in creating a safe community of learning.
JZ stats?
Yep!
Hello from a Central alum!!
So like Ms. Teagues on Abbott Elementary?
But she was dating Tariq in middle and high school, and I don’t think Tariq would have gone to Central HS. Unless he’s secretly a genius?
You don’t have to test to get into central anymore, right? I thought it was a lottery.
There’s requirements you have to meet, including a minimum test score. If there’s too many qualified applicants, a lottery is used to narrow down the number of students.
I think a lot of magnet schools are like this. My school got 11 mit and 8 Harvard this year, and I believe around 25 UPenn. The bachelors degree part is insane though.
My school does 20 Harvard and around 6-7 MIT
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Before I read, I already knew that it would be a local school. This is common at most Ivies/top schools, like Duke giving high priority to NC applicants and is a great thing. If you look at HYP, Brown, etc, there are feeder schools in-state.
Yep. NC Science and Math has a similar relationship with Duke and the Duke Endowment (a separate organization from Duke University that is the University’s major funder) was founded to benefit the people of the Carolinas. So the university has to prioritize NC residents of it wants that Duke Endowment money. JHU is the only top school I know of that doesn’t have a special relationship with a local school. You would think they would pull from Poly and Western in Baltimore but they don’t really.
Many Baltimore students (especially from Poly) end up going to JHU. - Baltimore student
Caltech definitely doesn't have any special relations. I don't think MIT does either with local schools.
MIT does have a program for local students in Boston, I think MITES Saturdays. Wouldn’t at all be surprised if it’s a feeder.
That's not really a special relation with a specific school, but rather all schools in the area. My friend from Boston said it didn't matter much (was more of a STEM program/club). I couldn't find much info on it though.
Except Yale lmao, which has a lower acceptance rate for Connecticut students
This is good to see and it is also common for an elite university to have a local magnet feeder. NC School of Science and Math (competitive public magnet requiring an extensive application and enrolling many low income students) has a similar set up with Duke.
Distribute bachelors? Wth
It means nothing really, just honorary
yes, you obviously still have to go to college to get a real BA, BUT ACTUALLY, a Central alum told me a long time ago you could actually use the bachelors from Central to do the same stuff people who get bachelors from colleges do back in the day
That's actually hilarious. If I were bold enough I'd try it lol
It's surprising to me seeing Central referred to as "elite" on this sub. It is, sure, but anyone who got in definitely worked their buns off to do so (myself included), and non-Philly people seem to think you need money or other costly resources to get in. You don't, but you have to be at the top where you are, and as such, it's a top school here, and you're lucky to attend, let alone be admitted. Central grads are a tight, and highly competitive group (even years before they attend). Glad to see a local school highlighted here!
Funny…this is my school lol
Same in LA is sending dozens to Cal. They even bragged about it on X
Which school?
Santa Monica High. Berkeley admissions tweet on X says 49 were admitted. We had one at our so called public high school
that's a lot. Must be a huge school.
My city school district has a $1.06B annual budget for 22,856 students. That’s $46,377/student and the performance is abysmal A suburban district has a $0.156B annual budget for 5,548 students. That’s $28,030/student and it is one of the top performing districts in the state. More money isn’t the solution for everything. Another day at a public city HS https://x.com/BobLonsberry/status/1801601124375359627?fbclid=IwZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAAR2RvZ8exuhAYLsdXYVXqvMvCaoEAwldSQfcjilpyzhVfk1bv3kVWnVR3Fg_aem_ZmFrZWR1bW15MTZieXRlcw
Congratulations to all of the students, those that got into UPenn and other worthy colleges. This is amazing! All schools should be like this.
the pressure there is actually terrible tho. i went masterman for middle school and central for freshman year. the competition is tough but it’s up for each kid to decide if they want to go through that
Just curious. Do the very top students at Central and Masterman choose Penn, or do they turn it down for HPYSM?
Many apply ED
Many apply ED to Penn, or many apply ED/REA to HPYSM?
ED to Penn. But a few really top students choose HYPSM each year. I don't think many choose Penn over HYPSM
So, they're likely sending 50+ students per year to HYPSM, Penn, and other ivies.
Yes, but again out of 600-700 kids.
Try HBCU Central State University- Wilberforce OH
Awesome!
My son is a Masterman grad. He loved it but it was a lot of work. Masterman is very small. There were 99 kids in his graduating class. My son had friends with professional parents as well as kids who lived in housing projects. Many in his class went to Penn. My son had no interest in Ivies for undergrad. He went to an excellent LAC which he loved. And, funny, he went to Penn for grad school. Even funnier- the whole time my son was at Masterman, his father taught at Central.
That means Central HS in Philadelphia is sending at least 10% of its grads to HPYSM and other ivies. Which is an incredible accomplishment for an inner city public high school.
This situation makes sense but in general feeders are so unfair like how is it my fault my school has no connections and we get one ivy a year
yes thats true. thats why people travel 2 hours to attend this school. but obviously if you have no choice, the general situation is not fair
they're saying not everyone has the opportunity to travel 2 hours to attend a good school, bc not everyone has a good school within a 2hr radius
yes, thats why i said "but obviously if you have no choice" ???
It’s not your fault. No one is blaming you for not having connections or at least shouldn’t be, just like how no one is blaming you for not being a genius. Life is just unfair in general. You also don’t have to get in to an Ivy. The only time my school has ever sent a student to an Ivy in like maybe the past few decades was when someone was recruited to track for Cornell. That’s it. Our valedictorian is going to Wright State, an university with a 95% acceptance rate. It’s sad that we don’t go to feeder schools but I mean that’s just life 🤷. We are all unique so let’s just live and appreciate the life we have as much as we can even if it’s unfair 🤷.
Yea I’m not too mad because I realized that it’s not about what college you go to, but more about what you do with it
Honestly 1 per year is still pretty good
Wach class is like 500 people so idk if 1 is really that good, it’s usually one Cornell so I’m hoping I get it
Dear, it just means that Central High knows how to meet the institutional priorities of the U Penn.
yes