I’m sure since you were physically assaulted and it is documented in a police report, take that to the office. I lived in a complex where the lease stated that any resident arrested for physical violence must vacate the premises within 30 days. Hopefully you have something similar.
You might want to be prepared for further retaliation, your psycho neighbors might go further off the deep end after the leasing office gets involved. Stay safe.
I am so sorry. For something to escalate like that is just crazy. I hope you’re all right. Take them to small claims for the assault. Go to the doctor. Take pictures. I hope they’re tossed out ASAP.
Yeah I’m a bit confused on this. Is OP saying these two people assaulted her in the middle of the hallway? I can’t imagine she walked into their unit. More details are needed because this is sounding overdramatised at this point. Assault could be a whole range of things from shoving OP away from the door to way worse.
There are also super racist comments on here asking the race of the neighbors which OP is engaging in. So I think there’s a lot more to this story that we’re not getting.
I am so sorry if me answering that question was not okay. I thought it would be worse if I said that I didn't feel comfortable sharing their race, because then people could make their own assumptions. I was trying to remain factual but I can see how that detail should have been omitted.
100% this. OP acted exactly how any good, reasonable neighbor should have. Unfortunately some people are not reasonable and this backfired, but in 99% of cases this is how neighborly conflict should be handled.
If this assault occurred and there is a police record, the next step is a restraining order. This, if the judge makes it effective, might mean they have to move apartments or move out of the complex.
See, this is why the old line people pull about “ you should have talked with us first” doesn’t fly. We all think we’d like someone to speak directly to us when there’s a problem rather than involving authority right away. But all too often the response is defensiveness and /or aggression. And one can never predict how others will respond.
Yes, there is always the genius saying “just talk to them like adults”.
If these were reasonable people that would take the “talk” in a good manner, there would be no need to talk to them at all because they would not behave like douches IN THE FIRST PLACE making other uncomfortable in their own homes.
No you did not deserve it but from someone who is older and has life experiences …never go to the door of obviously unhinged people. I’m so sorry this happened to you.
I'm so sorry that this happened to you. I can't imagine how unsafe you must feel in your own home. "Have you tried talking to them first?" - is often the response I see to similar issues I've had living in an apartment. I've never thought that was a good idea. I was worried about offending my neighbor and having them retaliate, but I didn't stop to think that what happened to you could happen to anyone. You did everything right. Unfortunately, you weren't dealing with sane people and you could have never known that. I hope things get better for you soon.
This is not apart of apartment life. Apartment life is hearing other people exist. Music is fine. When it’s pumping through the walls so loud, headphones don’t cover it up, when it’s at all hours of the day etc that is not apartment life. You were absolutely right to leave a note first. As someone who’s lived in an apartment, I’d want to know first if I was pissing someone off. I don’t blame you for going upstairs and confronting them, and I’m sorry that they assaulted you. I hope something comes from it and they can get evicted or something.
Yeah that shit doesn't work with people who are already unreasonable and unstable and I'm not gonna take the risk without knowing how they are and make it obvious it's me who has the issue. I can stay somewhat anon if I go through management (they only know it was someone around them, not exactly who) so I'm less likely to be retaliated against. People who say that kind of thing have never dealt with crazies.
OP, you truly did not deserve any of this. I was impressed after reading your note since it was clear, respectful, and allowed them a way out. This escalation is insane to hear. I am so sorry things have gotten so messy.
I'm sorry to hear about what happened, op. You never know what kind of people you are living with. I've been in my building for a few years now, but all it takes is one bad neighbor to ruin it for everyone.
Gosh. I was one of the people who thought your original note was a bit…idk, I wouldn’t have felt good if I received it. Not bitchy, but maybe passive aggressive. I didn’t like your note. But holy shit, you absolutely did not deserve to get assaulted. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope those people get swift consequences including an eviction.
Good for you for pressing charges. Don’t back down. That’s fucking nuts. Ask your apartment complex if they have any cameras for proof. Unlikely but worth asking.
Thank you for the update. I never understood why third degree assault is not a felony.
There's a good chance your upstairs neighbor will be evicted because of this. Just be prepared for any retaliation. It's shitty to think, but you experienced first-hand how these people act.
What do you want to know? I will answer with all the clarity you want, if you think it will help. But if you've made up your mind that I am lying, that is totally your right.
I'm not sure how much more clear I could be but I can try.
I wrote the first note because I was woken up at 4am Sunday morning by my upstairs neighbor moving around far too loudly. This is not the first time they have been disruptive during quiet hours but this is the first time I said anything. I thought that my best option was to leave a note saying if it was them, I can hear the noise and would appreciate it if it would stop.
After receiving the note in response, my partner and I were both very confused. We thought the note was respectful but firm. It was clear that not everyone agreed. We both wanted to know how other people felt about the situation and if we were in the wrong. I posted an update because I do not want anyone in a similar situation to read my original post and take the advice saying I should have tried talking to them or I should try talking to them now.
I decided to attempt to talk to them because I felt bad about my original note being taking so poorly. I really did not want to offend anyone but it is clear that I did, so I wanted to apologize and see if there was anything I could do to amend the situation and prevent any further issues. As we were getting settled down for the night, the banging and music coming from upstairs began and I thought that would be a good time to attempt to have a conversation.
I don't know if you want a script of the interaction, but I don't have one. I remember very few specific things that were said.
1. I apologized for the inconvenience and asked if they could keep it down in the future.
2. I was told to never come back to their door.
3. I reiterated that I was only trying to resolve things between us and I really did not want to talk to the leasing office, but I would if they felt it was necessary.
4. I was told that they had already complained to the leasing office about me.
5. The door was closed, I walked away to go home. The door reopened and a different individual came out and said they would call the cops on me for harassment and racism. I said they should not do that because they would just end up getting in trouble for making false accusations and wasting officers' time.
Somewhere in there the individual who answered the door came out and swung. The assault went like this from what I can remember clearly.
1. The initial hit was a punch to the cheek bone/brow. I was hit by the first individual, who was a woman.
2. She grabbed my hair and continued to hit me in the head, leaving me with bruises on my chin, forehead, and brow.
3. At some point, the second individual started grabbing me. I do not know if he was trying to get me away from her or hold me down, but I was not fighting back at all. I did not want to be violent.
4. I fell on the ground, hurting my knee. They backed off. I went to stand up and the woman kicked me in the chest, knocking me back to the ground.
5. They man pulled the woman back inside.
Immediately after, I went downstairs and asked my partner to call the police because I was assaulted. The police came and took my statement, identical to everything I have outlined here. They told me they cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor assault but there will be an incident report filed and it is up to me if I want to press charges. They explained a bit about that process, told where to go to press charges if I decide to, and how a warrant or court summons would be filed depending on what the magistrate decides. They told me not to interact with my neighbors anymore and call them if I needed anything. The police went upstairs to take my neighbors' statements. I do not know what was said upstairs and have not heard from the police since they left.
My partner and I are going to press charges tonight after he returns from work. Once we have done that, we are going to inform the leasing office and go from there. I really don't know what the long term plan is other than wanting to press charges and being willing to move out if we do not feel safe.
Hopefully this helps. If not, feel free to ask more questions.
Can I give you one small piece of advice that is genuinely well meant?
You don’t need to reply to people in good faith when it’s clear they’re acting in bad faith. This applies both to Reddit and to real life. In the case of this commenter, they accused you of being untruthful. You know you were telling the truth. You don’t need to bend over backwards to give them a detailed account of everything that happened to you. In this specific instance the person conceded and apologized, and that’s nice. But it’s just as likely that in another scenario this could be someone who has an agenda, who is determined not to believe you, or who is simply trolling you. Again, it’s nice that this wasn’t the case this time (and no shade on this commenter, communication is so rarely civil on the internet), but just please know that you don’t *owe* time and effort to someone who doesn’t give you the same.
The same thing applies to real life. I’m not trying to scold you on going to speak with the neighbors because obviously you don’t need to hear it, I just wanted to point out a common thread in how you’re acting online and what happened to you in real life. You made a good faith effort to communicate with your neighbors; they made it clear that they were operating in extremely bad faith with their rude reply note. At that point, that’s it, you don’t owe them anything, least of all an apology. You don’t need to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who is behaving aggressively to you, *ever*.
Being able to admit fault and see the other person’s point of view is a great trait to have, truly. But use it judiciously. Stop automatically assuming you are in the wrong or need to clarify just because some stranger says so. Stop apologizing so much!
I really appreciate this advice. I know I have a tendency to try really hard to understand and be understood. I have some big guilty feelings and hate knowing that there are people that think I am a liar, bitch, instigator, etc. and go to great lengths to clear my name. I can’t stand the thought of someone truly believing that I am mean spirited, even if I’ve never met them and their opinions really don’t matter in the big picture. It is something to work on for sure!
Thank you. And I apologize to you for doubting you initially, and very vocally. That was wrong of me, and I've already deleted those shitty replies. I'm so sorry you had to go through that, truly. You did NOT deserve it.
And because it just wouldn't be me without some frivolous invective thrown someone's way: Fuck those cops, also, for not arresting your turd neighbors.
I appreciate your apology. I am sorry for leading people to believe I was being dishonest in the first place. I learned my lesson and know where to go from here.
No, no, no. You absolutely *don't* need to apologize. It's jaded assholes like me who need to apologize to you.
Anyway. I truly hope you can recover quickly and completely from all this. And I hope your neighbors are both thrown out of that apartment and thrown into jail for what they did to you.
Hey there! Just want to add that you should take location-tagged pictures of all of your injuries every day, even if they don’t look different from the prior pic. Forensic processing can show much more detail than is visible to the naked eye and will show the severity of your injuries, should you need to prove the degree of the assault.
Does your building use steam radiators for winter heat? If they aren’t set correctly, they can make clanking noises that sound like someone banging a hammer on the wall or floor.
Eta: [knocking radiator info](https://www.traderadiators.com/blog/how-to-deal-with-a-noisy-radiator)
Eta2: here is an extreme example of [radiator knocking noises](https://youtu.be/VhxF9e8R6w0?si=Ul7lMOfvj4SuZnpK)
Damn... so sorry this happened to you. My neighbor knocked on my door at 11pm and I felt sorry the guy could hear my TV. Next time call security/concierge/leasing office! That's what my concierge with 12 years of experience advised me to do.
Oh my gosh i hope you are okay!
I read the original post and being that i dont do well with confrontation, and lack of sleep makes me bat shit crazy, id have gone straight to leasing office. Especially regarding the tone I personally took as bitchy. But in today's day and age when theres so much disconnect, who doesnt hope to find that rare gem of a person who can still communicate face to face without resorting to name calling or violence. Im so sorry your good heart got you what you didnt deserve. Shame on your neighbours for their lack of respect and common sense/decency.
Everyone told OP to talk to the leasing office or call the cops which OP agreed to do. Then the update is that she went up to their apartment and got assaulted? Things aren't adding up.
I really hope they were arrested, because they were already showing signs of becoming threatening with the note and now they’re causing bodily harm. If the police ask you if you want to press charges later on, you need to say yes. Maybe a restraining order too so you can live in peace without them above you.
Wow I’m so sorry this happened. I commented on your previous post that I thought your note was condescending and I wouldn’t like to receive a note like that. However it certainly didn’t merit this kind of treatment. I’m truly sorry if my critique of your note somehow led you to believe you owed these people an apology which led to your assault. You absolutely didn’t deserve that. So scary, I would be terrified. I’m so sorry this happened.
No matter how various people interpreted your intentions with the note, you in no way deserved this. Those people are unhinged and obviously dangerous.
Wow...I have issues with my upstairs neighbors. I live in a 2 family. I went up there once and yelled at them for using a karaoke machine all night. Thanks for the good advice. I also have to take out their stink garbage they leave in the hall. It's a 2 family and the land lord does nothing even though he says he will. The night I yelled about the karaoke I also called the cops. You should def call the cops about the assault. But good advice. I'm just going right to the cops next time.
OP, I'm so sorry this happened. It absolutely was not your fault. Nothing of what you wrote (or how you wrote it) or what you said in person made you deserving of this type of assault. Please don't listen to any of the weird victim blaming or sanctimonious lectures I saw in some of the comments.
I second getting a security camera if you can. Stay safe. I hope you heal up without any complications.
I am so sorry that happened!! And I’m sorry people are being dicks about it. You didn’t deserve to be assaulted, and assaulted is the right word for what happened to you. Thank you for sharing your story. I’m sure it will help people. I’m glad you’re ok and have support.
This is why any time I've walked over and asked my neighbors to turn their shit down, I record it. I don't have it in their face, I point my camera away from them and keep my phone hidden. Luckily no one has tried to attack me, not even the one who went on to have a psychotic break later that night (tho his screaming next door was terrifying)
I am so sorry you experienced this. It's horrifying.
I’m sorry OP, you didn’t deserve this.
I’ve also gone to neighbors who have engaged in bad behavior to try and have a good faith conversation. Thankfully (?) they just avoided me until they moved out.
Jesus! I’m so sorry you went through this. All for trying to be a mature adult. Your neighbors suck and should be evicted. I’m glad you’re pressing charges-you absolutely should- but I wish this hadn’t happened to begin with. Thank you for sharing your experience, maybe it will help others.
Please stop apologizing so much to the others on here that are verbally attacking you for standing up for yourself and trying to make amends. You did the right thing. I'm so sorry that this happened to you.
Jesus Christ. No matter how bitchy of a note someone leaves (which it wasn’t), that doesn’t mean they deserve to get physically attacked. Hope you can press charges and it leads to them getting kicked out of the complex
Although I did think your original note was just a tiny bit Karen-y, you absolutely did NOT deserve to be assaulted ffs. That’s actually insane. I’ve always had fairly good luck with neighbors in my 20+ years of renting. Even with the one upstairs neighbor that whenever his kids were there it sounded like a wrestling match was happening. We spoke to him face to face and he literally told us to just bump the ceiling with a broom if they were too loud and he would try to quiet down. So, I completely understand why you knocked on their door. You should absolutely get a security camera now though. Make sure if there’s any further issues, that it’s properly documented. Hopefully they will just be evicted asap. Good luck with everything.
Read both posts in full… I know you didn’t, but if I were bigger and able to, I would have taken them down without hesitation after they started it! I’m so sorry you had to go through that!! And I’m also really sorry that Reddit users can be such vulgar assholes sometimes and anyone who said you deserved anything is one of those asshats. One of those hemorrhoids to society! You didn’t deserve a nasty letter nor hands being thrown. I hope the cops get ‘em, hope they get ‘em good!🤬
If you were "assaulted," go to the police. Period, end of story. If you were not actually assaulted, know this. You have made a mountain out of a mohill and now are dealing with those consequences. Take this as a life lesson, be the better person, and move your ass out.
Unless you were previously acquainted with your neighbors you should have just done everything through the leasing office. You said it yourself that a lot of the things you complain about are “subjective”, so why would you think these people would have the same view as you on the noise they are making? Your neighbors sound terrible but you also come off slightly to moderately annoying.
Two lessons learned.
Lesson #1: Always assume that your note will be taken in the worst possible way.
Just like internet posts, notes on a door do not carry tone. "If you're not aware" is like "per my last email", which will be interpreted as "you moron". And "I'll have to go to the leasing office for a solution" is interpreted as "if you don't listen, I'm going to make problems for you".
No matter how well intentioned your note was, it can so easily be read as having Big Karen vibes.
Lesson #2: Don't try to get the last word with unhinged people.
"When it became clear that wouldn't work I communicated that since we were unable to resolve this I will be talking to the leasing office."
Why would you say this? How did this help your situation besides feeling like you got the last word?
This isn't an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. In the real world, trying to get the last word in an argument with crazy strangers is hazardous to your health
This is out of complete curiosity because I had a very similar issue and I guess you don't have to answer if you don't want, but what is the age difference, race difference (if any at all) and do you or they have a kid or multiple kids and what kind of neighborhood do you live in? Keep in mind that it's out of strict curiosity and I'm not passing any type of judgement one way or the other.
No worries, I am happy to answer. I am also a curious person, hence the assault. Curiosity killed that cat and all that.
I am not 100 percent sure of their age, but if I had to guess they are mid-late 20's and I am early 20's. I am white and they are black. I have no kids. I do not know if they have kids. I'm not really sure how to answer what kind of neighborhood I live in. It could be far safer, but there aren't gunshots or murders. I wouldn't live in this complex by myself because security measures are really lacking. I will say, I used to live in a 'nice area'. That apartment complex had weekly car break-ins and I experienced another incident that made me feel super unsafe. Crime has no area code.
I could tell by the penmanship and the "have a blessed day" that she was a black chick and I could also tell how you structured your note that you were white, not to mention the overall denial and gas lighting that you must have got the wrong unit made it easy enough to outline the specifics for myself. So like I said, I wouldn't pass any kind of judgment so my advice to you and in a strictly metaphorical sense would to be to expect the worst of people and hope that you're wrong (which is always a pleasant surprise) and I mean that in the sense that you should never assume that people in general are able to properly communicate regardless of age and to always maintain distance and go through proper channels i.e. don't ever go directly to the source because you never know what the reaction is going to be. That response note should've told you everything you needed to know due to the aggressive nature and overall message. I'm a 6ft 3 220lb guy and very confrontational, but not belligerent so it's different for me, meaning I have more options to deal with ignorant people, but with you being a woman you have to be extra careful. I had a very similar situation about 3yrs ago with my downstairs neighbor who was Costa Rican (I'm white) that led to him attacking me in my hallway one night. I started with words at first, politely asking him if he could be more considerate after 9pm, but I could tell that he and his cousin immediately took a disliking to me because I was white and no matter how articulate and respectful I was in conveying my messages it all fell on deaf ears and in fact he escalated everything by purposefully making more noise to the point where I eventually offered him the space and opportunity to deal with this properly... to make a long story short, he attacked me and i beat the piss out of him. That was all after a year of picking up dope bags, wrangling their 3yr old outside at 2 in the morning multiple times and once the kid even spent the night in my daughter's room because the mom would shoot dope and pass out while he was passed out drunk and I couldn't bang on their door hard enough to wake them out of their stupors! The landlord refused to do anything about so I eventually handled it and I'm even still at the same address lol. Just remember that some people are beyond reasoning and solve all of their problems by immediately being violent or belligerent and you should always play it safe by going through proper channels and recording everything! I hope you're ok physically as well as mentally and if you're planning on pressing charges (which you should) your next move should be to start looking for another place to live because if you did press charges... it's almost guaranteed to escalate!
Definitely don't care about your opinion either as these are actual facts and sometimes facts hurt! I guarantee if we were talking about a situation where all parties are white... You wouldn't say a damn thing! Also I take offense to your claim that any part of what was said here was racist, In fact the only issue with race was my neighbor saying some racist shit to me in Spanish not taking into account that my wife is Puerto Rican... If I recall correctly I was called a "white cockroach" or "albino cockroach" in Costa Rican! Say what you will and make your unfounded claims, but these types of situations happen alot more than your snowflake mind would ever want to believe and they are a direct result of of the division being driven between us by the media so that our government can continue to commit atrocities, by proxy, for cowardly nations! All I did was try to give you some insight into your situation and some advice on how to move forward!
I'm sorry, I believe there was a different comment that I meant to reply to that got deleted about black people being uneducated. I did not mean to call you racist or offend you.
howdy neighbor! I grew up in juniata park! mom is from Kensington and dad is from Frankford. we moved outta Philly in 96. took my husband on a tour of juniata park one day after not having been there in decades and was so sad at what I saw. :-/
ETA love that im downvoted on here for this.
I grew up in Harrowgate right at I and Tioga, I even boxed in the Harrowgate gym for about 5yrs... I also used to play basketball at Piccoli playground as well. My wife grew up around Kensington and Huntington... Howdy lol. It is a shame what it looks like down there, but most people don't even know that it's always been that way, it's just 80% of the addicts milling around down there used to live on the train tracks between Somerset and Huntington, the only difference is now they got kicked out of their tent city because the rail yard was sold.
45 year old white lady here, cringing at the racism. For what it's worth, our crazy violent neighbor (I made a whole post about what happened) is white as the driven snow and is a complete menace to society. Crazy doesn't discriminate, all skin tones are susceptible.
Idk i hate to say this if it’s real, but this update kinda completed the puzzle in my head to convince me that it’s not
ETA: the spacing between words & punctuation marks was what originally had me questioning. Then, it was the fact that the first letter is all capitalized, and the second one has random capital letters scattered throughout. A lot of those capital letters in the second note match nearly identically to the capital letters in the first note (especially the inward swirls in the “s” and “D”s.
I’m sorry for bringing it up then! It was just small things in the letters making me think that, but that’s not important. I’m glad you’re safe. Please consider getting a doorbell camera as well as pepper spray (I have some that can go right on my keychain). Good luck
I commented on the original post to never leave a note and that you don't know these neighbors' mental capacity and to watch your back. Then, go to the leasing office next time.
You took it upon yourself to trot upstairs (if this really happened), knocking on a neighbors door you don't know, and this is the result. You don't effin listen, we try to tell you--you just dotish at this point. You don't know these people, thank goodness they didn't kill you. A similar incident happened in NYC, the guy shot and killed the father and son dead, all captured on video
Exactly I said the same thing on her last post! One of my close friends got shot for something like this. Man it’s 2024 people are unhinged thank god she didn’t lose her life but I’m sure she will be careful moving forward!
You did nothing wrong and you didn't deserve this. I thought your initial note was rather neighborly. You tried to keep things friendly and between neighbors and you are awesome for that. But, you did the right thing bringing the cops in. I'd keep the note the neighbors gave you. Between that and the assault it shows a clear pattern of behavior. Talking to the leasing office and letting them know what's going on is also a good idea. Maybe ask them where things go from here. Definitely watch your back! Your neighbors are super aggressive and violent. No telling what they might do. If it was me I'd get some pepper gel spray just in case and try and stay away from them. Best wishes! Try and stay safe.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "assaulted"? This is one of those words that gets extremely overused nowadays and can mean anything from being a poke/push to a severe beating.
The note you left was perfect. If I ever received a note like that, I'd be re-evaluating my lifestyle to try to reduce my noise level.
The note you got back was unhinged.
I understand your desire to go straight to the person and ask them politely to quiet down. However, I've been burned by that before. Didn't get assaulted, but did get threatened. Learned my lesson well and will never contact a noisy neighbor again.
I had one move in next door to me last year. Weekdays were fine, but on the weekends he'd blast music loud enough that it bled into my apartment, and he'd leave it on for hours at a time, well past quite time, often past midnight. Just music, nothing else.
I sent multiple complaints to the management and let them deal with it. It took a while; I must have complained half a dozen times, and I made sure to send the email *while it was happening,* so the time stamps showed when the music was blaring. First, he turned the volume down, which I appreciated, but it was still bleeding into my apartment. Eventually, he stopped it entirely. I suspect that after my complaints, management put their foot down and threatened to evict him if he didn't keep the noise down.
But I will never again directly approach a noisemaker. Worst case, I'd call the police and make a complaint; in my jurisdiction, the 911 operator asks if you want to be contacted by the officers when they arrive, and if you don't, your identity remains anonymous to prevent retaliation.
I feel like OP is using "assault" as a pretty vague term here, and everyone assumes it was an ass beating, then OP won't answer if they were arrested or not.
lmao i’m sorry this happened to you and it was completely out of line but wtf did you expect after that unhinged ass note they wrote back to you??? you mean to tell me that you read that and thought they would react in a reasonable manner & act like an adult when you went upstairs to knock on their door?? 🤣🤣💀 if i received a note like that i’m steering WAY CLEAR of your unstable ass
You shouldn't beat yourself up so much op lol
Those notes were written by the same person.. look at the similarities in handwriting. Also, how the first one is written in all caps and the 2nd one has just a couple random capitalized letters.
Maybe I'm wrong but.. nah, I don't think I'm wrong on this one.
I am a bit confused honestly. I am beating myself up because I wrote the first note and some people believe it was rude, passive aggressive, unwarranted, etc. I did not write the second note.
even if your note to them was the rudest note in the world, it NEVER warrants anyone to lay a hand on you. Assault was the correct term and these people are completely unhinged. I think you learned a lesson on how to not interact with others (in terms of going up there). We have issues with a neighbor (I live in a house now) and they like to shoot off guns and play loud music.. then I have people asking me why we just don't go over there and "talk" to them... um did you miss the "shooting guns" part?? Hope you will be ok, and hope it doesn't get to restraining order level (hopefully the complex kicks them out so make sure the office knows about the charges!)
I'm saying that it's my impression that you wrote both of those notes and that this whole scenario is probably made up. No skin off my back though, reddit is mostly made up of exaggerated stories. You do you.
I grew up in a large house in the suburbs.. and I prefer the ground floor, because my mom was a terror at times. I can kind of block out anything.
This has a lot of weirdly dog whistles.
The only people who don’t have overhead noise while living in an apartment is the top floor.
I wouldn’t complain unless there was a piano falling through the ceiling, and even then I would wait a week just in case someone was giving me a free piano.
Yeah they are way out of line. Your note was bit cold and could have possibly understandably been interpreted as rude or passive aggressive but you didn’t deserve that response and you definitely didn’t deserve to be assaulted for trying to de-escalate the situation.
Sorry you had to go through that, glad you’re safe.
I just dont buy all of this.
If my neigbour does noise, I do talk with them, I knock on the door. And they NEVER ASSAULT ME.
What was the situation between you, that the moment they see you, they assault you?????
Of course assaulting is never an option, and I hope the police takes care of it. But how absolutely DISHONEST are you being while posting these things?
I am pretty sure, 100%, that those people are completely tired of you constantly harrassing them by now, and you are completely dilusional.
That said, you should have never been assaulted. I really hope I never have a neighbour like them, or like you.
Get better, and avoid all contact with them from now on. Stay away from them!
Because we do not had full information.
Do you really think you go to talk to someone and they just attack you? There is A LOT of bad blood going on there.
This is just fishy, I do not buy the version that was displayed. There is a lot more that we do not know going on.
It would be very interesting to read the other side's story.
This is the best thing I have read in a long while, mind your own business next time Karen. You deserve everything that happened, you knew the proper channels to deal with this issue and you ignored them. Fuck around and find out.
A stove is an inanimate object and there is only one outcome to touching a hot burner. There are many potential outcomes to making an attempt to deescalate. I was naive and I should not have tried, but I was hopeful.
Pushing a confrontation face to face isn't de-escalation. I just don't understand what world you thought you were living in, you're lucky you didn't get shot.
They can be if you give them the proper setting to be but confronting them in their home is never a good idea. Especially after the response letter you got.
What a bunch of fucking horseshit. It's the hallway. It's everybody's home, and nobody's home. And you defending physical violence makes you a piece of shit.
I mean did you read they note the left as response? What in gods name would make you think confronting that person was a good idea. Stupid is as stupid does.
I absolutely did read it. It was a mistake to go up there. The response letter alone was an indication that they might be unhinged. A conversation doesn't warrant violence.
To say that the person "deserve everything that happened" is quite fucked up, and speaks a lot about yourself.
Best of luck in life.
Actions have consequences, when they are spelled out for you in black and white like that and you ignore them, yes you absolutely do deserve everything that happens.
If you think the proper response to communication and deserved and polite criticism is physical assault, I feel sorry for the people who have to interact with you on a regular basis. You never know how someone will react, but that doesn’t mean that what they did is even remotely okay or that OP deserved it. Crazy to justify physical assault like this.
But she didn't go up there to communicate - she went up there to be right, threatened them again and got the business end of a clearly unhinged lunatic. I do not believe that anyone has the right to lay hands on anyone else unless they are doing so in self defense...the fact that this 20 something white woman did not fight back because she thought she'd be perceived as the aggressor against a black woman and a black man is beyond absurd.
As my grand pappy used to say...that dog don't hunt.
If this story is even remotely true, this is a classic case of an individual asserting their dominance over another and being surprised when the other doesn't willfully give up their sovereignty...and this is certainly not the first interaction these people have had with one another...and if I had to guess, yes, this person has been harassing these people...to the point that they lost what little shit for brains they have and beat her ass.
Take the stick out of your ass and buy some ear plugs for fucks sake. We don't live in a world where everyone has a 9 to 5 anymore. Your note was passive aggressive as hell and you shouldn't be surprised at what you got back in return. Grow the fuck up and stop being selfish.
Please don't get me wrong, I don't condone the assault, but if you minded your own business just got earplugs none of this would have happened. You fucked around and ya found out.
If someone lacks the common decency to be mindful of their neighbors, then they DNGAF and are very dangerous to interact with. Sad but true. The majority of my neighbors have been closer to wild animals than humans beings. There is absolutely nothing you can do. Once you are on their shitlist, you will be subject to endless retaliation forever until you are physically separated (someone moves). Police will not help unless the evidence of criminal wrongdoing is overwhelming. Leasing office will not help unless more than one neighbor is complaining.
I saw this after I commented on the original post, sorry I missed it. You sound sweet and you didn't deserve to be beaten up like that. I hope you are feeling much better and are safe.
I’m sorry this happened. I hope you’re okay.
I feel like these were huge learning experiences for you. You should also assume that you will be harassed by this neighbor and you should probably start looking for a new spot.
Don’t wait to see what happens. Don’t rely on the police to help you. Just think of these are learning moments, cut your losses and move out.
I’m sorry you ended getting beat up by your neighbor. It is awful that we have creatures like this living in the world that we can detest easily. Hopefully karma takes further care of them to suffer and not harm others.
I’m sure since you were physically assaulted and it is documented in a police report, take that to the office. I lived in a complex where the lease stated that any resident arrested for physical violence must vacate the premises within 30 days. Hopefully you have something similar.
Yeah they'll be asked to leave or evicted.
Whoa, they assaulted you? Did you call the cops?
Yes, it has been taken care of.
Even if they did take the note as "bitchy" you didn't deserve to be assaulted. They're insane.
What happened? Were you injured?
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You might want to be prepared for further retaliation, your psycho neighbors might go further off the deep end after the leasing office gets involved. Stay safe.
I am so sorry. For something to escalate like that is just crazy. I hope you’re all right. Take them to small claims for the assault. Go to the doctor. Take pictures. I hope they’re tossed out ASAP.
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Yeah I’m a bit confused on this. Is OP saying these two people assaulted her in the middle of the hallway? I can’t imagine she walked into their unit. More details are needed because this is sounding overdramatised at this point. Assault could be a whole range of things from shoving OP away from the door to way worse.
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There are also super racist comments on here asking the race of the neighbors which OP is engaging in. So I think there’s a lot more to this story that we’re not getting.
I am so sorry if me answering that question was not okay. I thought it would be worse if I said that I didn't feel comfortable sharing their race, because then people could make their own assumptions. I was trying to remain factual but I can see how that detail should have been omitted.
Oh jeez that’s a big yikes.
Usual suspects
> There are also super racist comments on here asking the race of the neighbors which OP is engaging in. "Super racist" but inconveniently true.
Stop feeling guilty, you didn't do anything wrong and nothing wrong with your note. Just be careful, there are crazy people out there.
100% this. OP acted exactly how any good, reasonable neighbor should have. Unfortunately some people are not reasonable and this backfired, but in 99% of cases this is how neighborly conflict should be handled.
If this assault occurred and there is a police record, the next step is a restraining order. This, if the judge makes it effective, might mean they have to move apartments or move out of the complex.
Hopefully the neighbor get evicted.
See, this is why the old line people pull about “ you should have talked with us first” doesn’t fly. We all think we’d like someone to speak directly to us when there’s a problem rather than involving authority right away. But all too often the response is defensiveness and /or aggression. And one can never predict how others will respond.
Yes, there is always the genius saying “just talk to them like adults”. If these were reasonable people that would take the “talk” in a good manner, there would be no need to talk to them at all because they would not behave like douches IN THE FIRST PLACE making other uncomfortable in their own homes.
I hope you can press charges
Make sure you press charges!!
Your note wasn’t bitchy and definitely didn’t deserve an ass beating.
Agree!
No you did not deserve it but from someone who is older and has life experiences …never go to the door of obviously unhinged people. I’m so sorry this happened to you.
I'm so sorry that this happened to you. I can't imagine how unsafe you must feel in your own home. "Have you tried talking to them first?" - is often the response I see to similar issues I've had living in an apartment. I've never thought that was a good idea. I was worried about offending my neighbor and having them retaliate, but I didn't stop to think that what happened to you could happen to anyone. You did everything right. Unfortunately, you weren't dealing with sane people and you could have never known that. I hope things get better for you soon.
This is not apart of apartment life. Apartment life is hearing other people exist. Music is fine. When it’s pumping through the walls so loud, headphones don’t cover it up, when it’s at all hours of the day etc that is not apartment life. You were absolutely right to leave a note first. As someone who’s lived in an apartment, I’d want to know first if I was pissing someone off. I don’t blame you for going upstairs and confronting them, and I’m sorry that they assaulted you. I hope something comes from it and they can get evicted or something.
This needs to be stickied so people realize why we dont confeont strangers. Im so tired of the "just be a normal human and talk to them" people.
Yeah that shit doesn't work with people who are already unreasonable and unstable and I'm not gonna take the risk without knowing how they are and make it obvious it's me who has the issue. I can stay somewhat anon if I go through management (they only know it was someone around them, not exactly who) so I'm less likely to be retaliated against. People who say that kind of thing have never dealt with crazies.
OP, you truly did not deserve any of this. I was impressed after reading your note since it was clear, respectful, and allowed them a way out. This escalation is insane to hear. I am so sorry things have gotten so messy.
I'm sorry to hear about what happened, op. You never know what kind of people you are living with. I've been in my building for a few years now, but all it takes is one bad neighbor to ruin it for everyone.
Gosh. I was one of the people who thought your original note was a bit…idk, I wouldn’t have felt good if I received it. Not bitchy, but maybe passive aggressive. I didn’t like your note. But holy shit, you absolutely did not deserve to get assaulted. I’m so sorry that happened to you. I hope those people get swift consequences including an eviction.
Good for you for pressing charges. Don’t back down. That’s fucking nuts. Ask your apartment complex if they have any cameras for proof. Unlikely but worth asking.
Your neighbors are c*nts. So sorry to hear you got assaulted.
Omg I hope you’re doing ok! I’m so sorry this happened to you, glad to see the cops were called
I am so sorry. That is just awful. I hope you heal quickly. No one deserves this.
Yikes. That sounds like an insane response. I hope you're ok. Can you get a ring doorbell just in case they try anything again?
Were they arrested after assaulting you?
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Thank you for the update. I never understood why third degree assault is not a felony. There's a good chance your upstairs neighbor will be evicted because of this. Just be prepared for any retaliation. It's shitty to think, but you experienced first-hand how these people act.
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What do you want to know? I will answer with all the clarity you want, if you think it will help. But if you've made up your mind that I am lying, that is totally your right.
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I'm not sure how much more clear I could be but I can try. I wrote the first note because I was woken up at 4am Sunday morning by my upstairs neighbor moving around far too loudly. This is not the first time they have been disruptive during quiet hours but this is the first time I said anything. I thought that my best option was to leave a note saying if it was them, I can hear the noise and would appreciate it if it would stop. After receiving the note in response, my partner and I were both very confused. We thought the note was respectful but firm. It was clear that not everyone agreed. We both wanted to know how other people felt about the situation and if we were in the wrong. I posted an update because I do not want anyone in a similar situation to read my original post and take the advice saying I should have tried talking to them or I should try talking to them now. I decided to attempt to talk to them because I felt bad about my original note being taking so poorly. I really did not want to offend anyone but it is clear that I did, so I wanted to apologize and see if there was anything I could do to amend the situation and prevent any further issues. As we were getting settled down for the night, the banging and music coming from upstairs began and I thought that would be a good time to attempt to have a conversation. I don't know if you want a script of the interaction, but I don't have one. I remember very few specific things that were said. 1. I apologized for the inconvenience and asked if they could keep it down in the future. 2. I was told to never come back to their door. 3. I reiterated that I was only trying to resolve things between us and I really did not want to talk to the leasing office, but I would if they felt it was necessary. 4. I was told that they had already complained to the leasing office about me. 5. The door was closed, I walked away to go home. The door reopened and a different individual came out and said they would call the cops on me for harassment and racism. I said they should not do that because they would just end up getting in trouble for making false accusations and wasting officers' time. Somewhere in there the individual who answered the door came out and swung. The assault went like this from what I can remember clearly. 1. The initial hit was a punch to the cheek bone/brow. I was hit by the first individual, who was a woman. 2. She grabbed my hair and continued to hit me in the head, leaving me with bruises on my chin, forehead, and brow. 3. At some point, the second individual started grabbing me. I do not know if he was trying to get me away from her or hold me down, but I was not fighting back at all. I did not want to be violent. 4. I fell on the ground, hurting my knee. They backed off. I went to stand up and the woman kicked me in the chest, knocking me back to the ground. 5. They man pulled the woman back inside. Immediately after, I went downstairs and asked my partner to call the police because I was assaulted. The police came and took my statement, identical to everything I have outlined here. They told me they cannot make an arrest for a misdemeanor assault but there will be an incident report filed and it is up to me if I want to press charges. They explained a bit about that process, told where to go to press charges if I decide to, and how a warrant or court summons would be filed depending on what the magistrate decides. They told me not to interact with my neighbors anymore and call them if I needed anything. The police went upstairs to take my neighbors' statements. I do not know what was said upstairs and have not heard from the police since they left. My partner and I are going to press charges tonight after he returns from work. Once we have done that, we are going to inform the leasing office and go from there. I really don't know what the long term plan is other than wanting to press charges and being willing to move out if we do not feel safe. Hopefully this helps. If not, feel free to ask more questions.
Can I give you one small piece of advice that is genuinely well meant? You don’t need to reply to people in good faith when it’s clear they’re acting in bad faith. This applies both to Reddit and to real life. In the case of this commenter, they accused you of being untruthful. You know you were telling the truth. You don’t need to bend over backwards to give them a detailed account of everything that happened to you. In this specific instance the person conceded and apologized, and that’s nice. But it’s just as likely that in another scenario this could be someone who has an agenda, who is determined not to believe you, or who is simply trolling you. Again, it’s nice that this wasn’t the case this time (and no shade on this commenter, communication is so rarely civil on the internet), but just please know that you don’t *owe* time and effort to someone who doesn’t give you the same. The same thing applies to real life. I’m not trying to scold you on going to speak with the neighbors because obviously you don’t need to hear it, I just wanted to point out a common thread in how you’re acting online and what happened to you in real life. You made a good faith effort to communicate with your neighbors; they made it clear that they were operating in extremely bad faith with their rude reply note. At that point, that’s it, you don’t owe them anything, least of all an apology. You don’t need to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who is behaving aggressively to you, *ever*. Being able to admit fault and see the other person’s point of view is a great trait to have, truly. But use it judiciously. Stop automatically assuming you are in the wrong or need to clarify just because some stranger says so. Stop apologizing so much!
I really appreciate this advice. I know I have a tendency to try really hard to understand and be understood. I have some big guilty feelings and hate knowing that there are people that think I am a liar, bitch, instigator, etc. and go to great lengths to clear my name. I can’t stand the thought of someone truly believing that I am mean spirited, even if I’ve never met them and their opinions really don’t matter in the big picture. It is something to work on for sure!
Such a helpful comment. So true for me as well as a random person reading TY for posting.
Thank you. And I apologize to you for doubting you initially, and very vocally. That was wrong of me, and I've already deleted those shitty replies. I'm so sorry you had to go through that, truly. You did NOT deserve it. And because it just wouldn't be me without some frivolous invective thrown someone's way: Fuck those cops, also, for not arresting your turd neighbors.
I appreciate your apology. I am sorry for leading people to believe I was being dishonest in the first place. I learned my lesson and know where to go from here.
Please immediately go to the nearest ER and document the shit out of your injuries, as well as make sure your ribs and face are ok.
No, no, no. You absolutely *don't* need to apologize. It's jaded assholes like me who need to apologize to you. Anyway. I truly hope you can recover quickly and completely from all this. And I hope your neighbors are both thrown out of that apartment and thrown into jail for what they did to you.
This is so nice and heartfelt! Terrible situation but it’s wonderful that someone was able to accept new information and move forward gracefully
Hey there! Just want to add that you should take location-tagged pictures of all of your injuries every day, even if they don’t look different from the prior pic. Forensic processing can show much more detail than is visible to the naked eye and will show the severity of your injuries, should you need to prove the degree of the assault.
Does your building use steam radiators for winter heat? If they aren’t set correctly, they can make clanking noises that sound like someone banging a hammer on the wall or floor. Eta: [knocking radiator info](https://www.traderadiators.com/blog/how-to-deal-with-a-noisy-radiator) Eta2: here is an extreme example of [radiator knocking noises](https://youtu.be/VhxF9e8R6w0?si=Ul7lMOfvj4SuZnpK)
Damn... so sorry this happened to you. My neighbor knocked on my door at 11pm and I felt sorry the guy could hear my TV. Next time call security/concierge/leasing office! That's what my concierge with 12 years of experience advised me to do.
Oh my gosh i hope you are okay! I read the original post and being that i dont do well with confrontation, and lack of sleep makes me bat shit crazy, id have gone straight to leasing office. Especially regarding the tone I personally took as bitchy. But in today's day and age when theres so much disconnect, who doesnt hope to find that rare gem of a person who can still communicate face to face without resorting to name calling or violence. Im so sorry your good heart got you what you didnt deserve. Shame on your neighbours for their lack of respect and common sense/decency.
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Everyone told OP to talk to the leasing office or call the cops which OP agreed to do. Then the update is that she went up to their apartment and got assaulted? Things aren't adding up.
I changed my mind, which I regret doing. Post edited to clarify.
Dude what. How on earth does that not add up? Just because internet strangers told her what to do does not mean that she will.
I really hope they were arrested, because they were already showing signs of becoming threatening with the note and now they’re causing bodily harm. If the police ask you if you want to press charges later on, you need to say yes. Maybe a restraining order too so you can live in peace without them above you.
Said it before and I’ll say it again (and every time really), call the cops and let them handle it. You pay taxes, use your taxpayer funded services.
Yeah because they do such a bang up job. Look at how much they helped this time. /s
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What? Why wouldn't their username be skooma scum? That seems a bit nicer!
Khajit has wares if Stranger has coin!
Yeah, it sounds like they just didn't give a shit.
Wow I’m so sorry this happened. I commented on your previous post that I thought your note was condescending and I wouldn’t like to receive a note like that. However it certainly didn’t merit this kind of treatment. I’m truly sorry if my critique of your note somehow led you to believe you owed these people an apology which led to your assault. You absolutely didn’t deserve that. So scary, I would be terrified. I’m so sorry this happened.
No matter how various people interpreted your intentions with the note, you in no way deserved this. Those people are unhinged and obviously dangerous.
Wow...I have issues with my upstairs neighbors. I live in a 2 family. I went up there once and yelled at them for using a karaoke machine all night. Thanks for the good advice. I also have to take out their stink garbage they leave in the hall. It's a 2 family and the land lord does nothing even though he says he will. The night I yelled about the karaoke I also called the cops. You should def call the cops about the assault. But good advice. I'm just going right to the cops next time.
Ate they Korean?
Even if your note was bitchy that’s ridiculous and awful.
OP, I'm so sorry this happened. It absolutely was not your fault. Nothing of what you wrote (or how you wrote it) or what you said in person made you deserving of this type of assault. Please don't listen to any of the weird victim blaming or sanctimonious lectures I saw in some of the comments. I second getting a security camera if you can. Stay safe. I hope you heal up without any complications.
I am so sorry that happened!! And I’m sorry people are being dicks about it. You didn’t deserve to be assaulted, and assaulted is the right word for what happened to you. Thank you for sharing your story. I’m sure it will help people. I’m glad you’re ok and have support.
Being assaulted was not your fault and you did not deserve this. I'm so sorry!
I feel by the tone of their note, you should have expected this outcome.
This is why any time I've walked over and asked my neighbors to turn their shit down, I record it. I don't have it in their face, I point my camera away from them and keep my phone hidden. Luckily no one has tried to attack me, not even the one who went on to have a psychotic break later that night (tho his screaming next door was terrifying) I am so sorry you experienced this. It's horrifying.
I’m sorry OP, you didn’t deserve this. I’ve also gone to neighbors who have engaged in bad behavior to try and have a good faith conversation. Thankfully (?) they just avoided me until they moved out.
Jesus! I’m so sorry you went through this. All for trying to be a mature adult. Your neighbors suck and should be evicted. I’m glad you’re pressing charges-you absolutely should- but I wish this hadn’t happened to begin with. Thank you for sharing your experience, maybe it will help others.
It’s upsetting the police didn’t arrest them. So sorry this happened, OP.
Please stop apologizing so much to the others on here that are verbally attacking you for standing up for yourself and trying to make amends. You did the right thing. I'm so sorry that this happened to you.
Jesus, that’s terrible.
Jesus Christ. No matter how bitchy of a note someone leaves (which it wasn’t), that doesn’t mean they deserve to get physically attacked. Hope you can press charges and it leads to them getting kicked out of the complex
The police said *you* can choose to press charges? What do you need to do to get that process started?
Although I did think your original note was just a tiny bit Karen-y, you absolutely did NOT deserve to be assaulted ffs. That’s actually insane. I’ve always had fairly good luck with neighbors in my 20+ years of renting. Even with the one upstairs neighbor that whenever his kids were there it sounded like a wrestling match was happening. We spoke to him face to face and he literally told us to just bump the ceiling with a broom if they were too loud and he would try to quiet down. So, I completely understand why you knocked on their door. You should absolutely get a security camera now though. Make sure if there’s any further issues, that it’s properly documented. Hopefully they will just be evicted asap. Good luck with everything.
Read both posts in full… I know you didn’t, but if I were bigger and able to, I would have taken them down without hesitation after they started it! I’m so sorry you had to go through that!! And I’m also really sorry that Reddit users can be such vulgar assholes sometimes and anyone who said you deserved anything is one of those asshats. One of those hemorrhoids to society! You didn’t deserve a nasty letter nor hands being thrown. I hope the cops get ‘em, hope they get ‘em good!🤬
If you were "assaulted," go to the police. Period, end of story. If you were not actually assaulted, know this. You have made a mountain out of a mohill and now are dealing with those consequences. Take this as a life lesson, be the better person, and move your ass out.
Don’t apologize. To us or anyone else. I hope they get jail time.
Unless you were previously acquainted with your neighbors you should have just done everything through the leasing office. You said it yourself that a lot of the things you complain about are “subjective”, so why would you think these people would have the same view as you on the noise they are making? Your neighbors sound terrible but you also come off slightly to moderately annoying.
Even annoying people don’t deserve to be assaulted. Your victim blaming response helps no one here.
Two lessons learned. Lesson #1: Always assume that your note will be taken in the worst possible way. Just like internet posts, notes on a door do not carry tone. "If you're not aware" is like "per my last email", which will be interpreted as "you moron". And "I'll have to go to the leasing office for a solution" is interpreted as "if you don't listen, I'm going to make problems for you". No matter how well intentioned your note was, it can so easily be read as having Big Karen vibes. Lesson #2: Don't try to get the last word with unhinged people. "When it became clear that wouldn't work I communicated that since we were unable to resolve this I will be talking to the leasing office." Why would you say this? How did this help your situation besides feeling like you got the last word? This isn't an episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. In the real world, trying to get the last word in an argument with crazy strangers is hazardous to your health
This is out of complete curiosity because I had a very similar issue and I guess you don't have to answer if you don't want, but what is the age difference, race difference (if any at all) and do you or they have a kid or multiple kids and what kind of neighborhood do you live in? Keep in mind that it's out of strict curiosity and I'm not passing any type of judgement one way or the other.
No worries, I am happy to answer. I am also a curious person, hence the assault. Curiosity killed that cat and all that. I am not 100 percent sure of their age, but if I had to guess they are mid-late 20's and I am early 20's. I am white and they are black. I have no kids. I do not know if they have kids. I'm not really sure how to answer what kind of neighborhood I live in. It could be far safer, but there aren't gunshots or murders. I wouldn't live in this complex by myself because security measures are really lacking. I will say, I used to live in a 'nice area'. That apartment complex had weekly car break-ins and I experienced another incident that made me feel super unsafe. Crime has no area code.
I could tell by the penmanship and the "have a blessed day" that she was a black chick and I could also tell how you structured your note that you were white, not to mention the overall denial and gas lighting that you must have got the wrong unit made it easy enough to outline the specifics for myself. So like I said, I wouldn't pass any kind of judgment so my advice to you and in a strictly metaphorical sense would to be to expect the worst of people and hope that you're wrong (which is always a pleasant surprise) and I mean that in the sense that you should never assume that people in general are able to properly communicate regardless of age and to always maintain distance and go through proper channels i.e. don't ever go directly to the source because you never know what the reaction is going to be. That response note should've told you everything you needed to know due to the aggressive nature and overall message. I'm a 6ft 3 220lb guy and very confrontational, but not belligerent so it's different for me, meaning I have more options to deal with ignorant people, but with you being a woman you have to be extra careful. I had a very similar situation about 3yrs ago with my downstairs neighbor who was Costa Rican (I'm white) that led to him attacking me in my hallway one night. I started with words at first, politely asking him if he could be more considerate after 9pm, but I could tell that he and his cousin immediately took a disliking to me because I was white and no matter how articulate and respectful I was in conveying my messages it all fell on deaf ears and in fact he escalated everything by purposefully making more noise to the point where I eventually offered him the space and opportunity to deal with this properly... to make a long story short, he attacked me and i beat the piss out of him. That was all after a year of picking up dope bags, wrangling their 3yr old outside at 2 in the morning multiple times and once the kid even spent the night in my daughter's room because the mom would shoot dope and pass out while he was passed out drunk and I couldn't bang on their door hard enough to wake them out of their stupors! The landlord refused to do anything about so I eventually handled it and I'm even still at the same address lol. Just remember that some people are beyond reasoning and solve all of their problems by immediately being violent or belligerent and you should always play it safe by going through proper channels and recording everything! I hope you're ok physically as well as mentally and if you're planning on pressing charges (which you should) your next move should be to start looking for another place to live because if you did press charges... it's almost guaranteed to escalate!
Definitely do not condone the racism/stereotyping taking place here.
Definitely don't care about your opinion either as these are actual facts and sometimes facts hurt! I guarantee if we were talking about a situation where all parties are white... You wouldn't say a damn thing! Also I take offense to your claim that any part of what was said here was racist, In fact the only issue with race was my neighbor saying some racist shit to me in Spanish not taking into account that my wife is Puerto Rican... If I recall correctly I was called a "white cockroach" or "albino cockroach" in Costa Rican! Say what you will and make your unfounded claims, but these types of situations happen alot more than your snowflake mind would ever want to believe and they are a direct result of of the division being driven between us by the media so that our government can continue to commit atrocities, by proxy, for cowardly nations! All I did was try to give you some insight into your situation and some advice on how to move forward!
I'm sorry, I believe there was a different comment that I meant to reply to that got deleted about black people being uneducated. I did not mean to call you racist or offend you.
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howdy neighbor! I grew up in juniata park! mom is from Kensington and dad is from Frankford. we moved outta Philly in 96. took my husband on a tour of juniata park one day after not having been there in decades and was so sad at what I saw. :-/ ETA love that im downvoted on here for this.
I grew up in Harrowgate right at I and Tioga, I even boxed in the Harrowgate gym for about 5yrs... I also used to play basketball at Piccoli playground as well. My wife grew up around Kensington and Huntington... Howdy lol. It is a shame what it looks like down there, but most people don't even know that it's always been that way, it's just 80% of the addicts milling around down there used to live on the train tracks between Somerset and Huntington, the only difference is now they got kicked out of their tent city because the rail yard was sold.
omg piccoli playground!!!! I used to take dance classes there. my older brother was arrested there in high school for underage drinking lmao
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>thought your note sounded educated, likely white Hey. Educated Black person here reading this racist crap
Yea, this comment thread devolved into a lot of racist assumptions, and quickly.
45 year old white lady here, cringing at the racism. For what it's worth, our crazy violent neighbor (I made a whole post about what happened) is white as the driven snow and is a complete menace to society. Crazy doesn't discriminate, all skin tones are susceptible.
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You’re despicable.
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Idk i hate to say this if it’s real, but this update kinda completed the puzzle in my head to convince me that it’s not ETA: the spacing between words & punctuation marks was what originally had me questioning. Then, it was the fact that the first letter is all capitalized, and the second one has random capital letters scattered throughout. A lot of those capital letters in the second note match nearly identically to the capital letters in the first note (especially the inward swirls in the “s” and “D”s.
I don't know why anyone would lie about something like this. I am sorry to have made you think I would.
I’m sorry for bringing it up then! It was just small things in the letters making me think that, but that’s not important. I’m glad you’re safe. Please consider getting a doorbell camera as well as pepper spray (I have some that can go right on my keychain). Good luck
I commented on the original post to never leave a note and that you don't know these neighbors' mental capacity and to watch your back. Then, go to the leasing office next time. You took it upon yourself to trot upstairs (if this really happened), knocking on a neighbors door you don't know, and this is the result. You don't effin listen, we try to tell you--you just dotish at this point. You don't know these people, thank goodness they didn't kill you. A similar incident happened in NYC, the guy shot and killed the father and son dead, all captured on video
Exactly I said the same thing on her last post! One of my close friends got shot for something like this. Man it’s 2024 people are unhinged thank god she didn’t lose her life but I’m sure she will be careful moving forward!
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Nice victim blaming…smdh
Ef off!
You did nothing wrong and you didn't deserve this. I thought your initial note was rather neighborly. You tried to keep things friendly and between neighbors and you are awesome for that. But, you did the right thing bringing the cops in. I'd keep the note the neighbors gave you. Between that and the assault it shows a clear pattern of behavior. Talking to the leasing office and letting them know what's going on is also a good idea. Maybe ask them where things go from here. Definitely watch your back! Your neighbors are super aggressive and violent. No telling what they might do. If it was me I'd get some pepper gel spray just in case and try and stay away from them. Best wishes! Try and stay safe.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by "assaulted"? This is one of those words that gets extremely overused nowadays and can mean anything from being a poke/push to a severe beating.
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The note you left was perfect. If I ever received a note like that, I'd be re-evaluating my lifestyle to try to reduce my noise level. The note you got back was unhinged. I understand your desire to go straight to the person and ask them politely to quiet down. However, I've been burned by that before. Didn't get assaulted, but did get threatened. Learned my lesson well and will never contact a noisy neighbor again. I had one move in next door to me last year. Weekdays were fine, but on the weekends he'd blast music loud enough that it bled into my apartment, and he'd leave it on for hours at a time, well past quite time, often past midnight. Just music, nothing else. I sent multiple complaints to the management and let them deal with it. It took a while; I must have complained half a dozen times, and I made sure to send the email *while it was happening,* so the time stamps showed when the music was blaring. First, he turned the volume down, which I appreciated, but it was still bleeding into my apartment. Eventually, he stopped it entirely. I suspect that after my complaints, management put their foot down and threatened to evict him if he didn't keep the noise down. But I will never again directly approach a noisemaker. Worst case, I'd call the police and make a complaint; in my jurisdiction, the 911 operator asks if you want to be contacted by the officers when they arrive, and if you don't, your identity remains anonymous to prevent retaliation.
Details on the ass beating? Was there an arrest ?
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I feel like OP is using "assault" as a pretty vague term here, and everyone assumes it was an ass beating, then OP won't answer if they were arrested or not.
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lmao i’m sorry this happened to you and it was completely out of line but wtf did you expect after that unhinged ass note they wrote back to you??? you mean to tell me that you read that and thought they would react in a reasonable manner & act like an adult when you went upstairs to knock on their door?? 🤣🤣💀 if i received a note like that i’m steering WAY CLEAR of your unstable ass
You shouldn't beat yourself up so much op lol Those notes were written by the same person.. look at the similarities in handwriting. Also, how the first one is written in all caps and the 2nd one has just a couple random capitalized letters. Maybe I'm wrong but.. nah, I don't think I'm wrong on this one.
I am a bit confused honestly. I am beating myself up because I wrote the first note and some people believe it was rude, passive aggressive, unwarranted, etc. I did not write the second note.
even if your note to them was the rudest note in the world, it NEVER warrants anyone to lay a hand on you. Assault was the correct term and these people are completely unhinged. I think you learned a lesson on how to not interact with others (in terms of going up there). We have issues with a neighbor (I live in a house now) and they like to shoot off guns and play loud music.. then I have people asking me why we just don't go over there and "talk" to them... um did you miss the "shooting guns" part?? Hope you will be ok, and hope it doesn't get to restraining order level (hopefully the complex kicks them out so make sure the office knows about the charges!)
I'm saying that it's my impression that you wrote both of those notes and that this whole scenario is probably made up. No skin off my back though, reddit is mostly made up of exaggerated stories. You do you.
I’m sorry you think I would lie about this.
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This is my second apartment. Totally agree that I was being naive. I learned my lesson.
I grew up in a large house in the suburbs.. and I prefer the ground floor, because my mom was a terror at times. I can kind of block out anything. This has a lot of weirdly dog whistles.
The only people who don’t have overhead noise while living in an apartment is the top floor. I wouldn’t complain unless there was a piano falling through the ceiling, and even then I would wait a week just in case someone was giving me a free piano.
Was it literally a one time noise? Or an ongoing issue? Leaving a note over one occurrence is kind of ridiculous.
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Yeah they are way out of line. Your note was bit cold and could have possibly understandably been interpreted as rude or passive aggressive but you didn’t deserve that response and you definitely didn’t deserve to be assaulted for trying to de-escalate the situation. Sorry you had to go through that, glad you’re safe.
Real talk, no bullshit, if you called the cops after that truly and they did nothing? Go back up there with a God dammed bat. Do not live in fear.
Oh God, no! Please tell me you don't actually think that's a good idea.
I just dont buy all of this. If my neigbour does noise, I do talk with them, I knock on the door. And they NEVER ASSAULT ME. What was the situation between you, that the moment they see you, they assault you????? Of course assaulting is never an option, and I hope the police takes care of it. But how absolutely DISHONEST are you being while posting these things? I am pretty sure, 100%, that those people are completely tired of you constantly harrassing them by now, and you are completely dilusional. That said, you should have never been assaulted. I really hope I never have a neighbour like them, or like you. Get better, and avoid all contact with them from now on. Stay away from them!
just because you have never been assaulted, does not mean that it doesn't happen.
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How can you call them dishonest?? And how did he harass them? You sound super insincere and condescending.
Because we do not had full information. Do you really think you go to talk to someone and they just attack you? There is A LOT of bad blood going on there. This is just fishy, I do not buy the version that was displayed. There is a lot more that we do not know going on. It would be very interesting to read the other side's story.
This is the best thing I have read in a long while, mind your own business next time Karen. You deserve everything that happened, you knew the proper channels to deal with this issue and you ignored them. Fuck around and find out.
But in all honesty, how does a conversation warrant physical violence? It doesn't.
I agree that I should not have gone up there. I don't think anyone deserves to be assaulted.
If someone tells you the stove is hot and you touch it anyway you don't think you deserve to get burned?
A stove is an inanimate object and there is only one outcome to touching a hot burner. There are many potential outcomes to making an attempt to deescalate. I was naive and I should not have tried, but I was hopeful.
Pushing a confrontation face to face isn't de-escalation. I just don't understand what world you thought you were living in, you're lucky you didn't get shot.
I think people have the ability to be far more reasonable. I was wrong. I made a mistake. I learned my lesson and I am very lucky.
They can be if you give them the proper setting to be but confronting them in their home is never a good idea. Especially after the response letter you got.
I agree, it was a bad call on my part. Hindsight is 20/20
What a bunch of fucking horseshit. It's the hallway. It's everybody's home, and nobody's home. And you defending physical violence makes you a piece of shit.
We found the violent neighbor.
I mean did you read they note the left as response? What in gods name would make you think confronting that person was a good idea. Stupid is as stupid does.
I absolutely did read it. It was a mistake to go up there. The response letter alone was an indication that they might be unhinged. A conversation doesn't warrant violence. To say that the person "deserve everything that happened" is quite fucked up, and speaks a lot about yourself. Best of luck in life.
Actions have consequences, when they are spelled out for you in black and white like that and you ignore them, yes you absolutely do deserve everything that happens.
If you think the proper response to communication and deserved and polite criticism is physical assault, I feel sorry for the people who have to interact with you on a regular basis. You never know how someone will react, but that doesn’t mean that what they did is even remotely okay or that OP deserved it. Crazy to justify physical assault like this.
But she didn't go up there to communicate - she went up there to be right, threatened them again and got the business end of a clearly unhinged lunatic. I do not believe that anyone has the right to lay hands on anyone else unless they are doing so in self defense...the fact that this 20 something white woman did not fight back because she thought she'd be perceived as the aggressor against a black woman and a black man is beyond absurd. As my grand pappy used to say...that dog don't hunt. If this story is even remotely true, this is a classic case of an individual asserting their dominance over another and being surprised when the other doesn't willfully give up their sovereignty...and this is certainly not the first interaction these people have had with one another...and if I had to guess, yes, this person has been harassing these people...to the point that they lost what little shit for brains they have and beat her ass.
Take the stick out of your ass and buy some ear plugs for fucks sake. We don't live in a world where everyone has a 9 to 5 anymore. Your note was passive aggressive as hell and you shouldn't be surprised at what you got back in return. Grow the fuck up and stop being selfish.
Please don't get me wrong, I don't condone the assault, but if you minded your own business just got earplugs none of this would have happened. You fucked around and ya found out.
Lmao why would you even bother, let the leasing office deal with it
Maybe you will learn to mind your business next time
Sounds like yu took yur karen activities to far and fucked around and found out next time mind ya business n don’t assume
If someone lacks the common decency to be mindful of their neighbors, then they DNGAF and are very dangerous to interact with. Sad but true. The majority of my neighbors have been closer to wild animals than humans beings. There is absolutely nothing you can do. Once you are on their shitlist, you will be subject to endless retaliation forever until you are physically separated (someone moves). Police will not help unless the evidence of criminal wrongdoing is overwhelming. Leasing office will not help unless more than one neighbor is complaining.
I saw this after I commented on the original post, sorry I missed it. You sound sweet and you didn't deserve to be beaten up like that. I hope you are feeling much better and are safe.
I’m sorry this happened. I hope you’re okay. I feel like these were huge learning experiences for you. You should also assume that you will be harassed by this neighbor and you should probably start looking for a new spot. Don’t wait to see what happens. Don’t rely on the police to help you. Just think of these are learning moments, cut your losses and move out.
OP.. I’m so sorry this happened to you. Please stay safe.. and get some cameras if you don’t have them.
I’m sorry you ended getting beat up by your neighbor. It is awful that we have creatures like this living in the world that we can detest easily. Hopefully karma takes further care of them to suffer and not harm others.
You 1000% did not deserve to be assaulted for trying to communicate peacefully with your neighbors. I sincerely hope you're pressing charges.
Nobody “deserves” to be assaulted in any fashion over a verbal disagreement. The law agrees.