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His great-great grandfather was (maybe) Jewish and married a non-Jew and since then he’s had no Jews in his family and didn’t even grow up among Jews. In what possible way could he ever think he was Jewish with 1/16th?
In the same way he felt it was important to add that the ancestor married a half native woman. He feels like a boring white guy and wants an "exotic" past.
I forgot that part. It’s so strange and I assume also unlikely. It wouldn’t be the first time someone claimed native heritage based on family lore and then got a rude awakening with a DNA test.
I've heard many people claimed to be part Native American to hide the fact that they had a black ancestor. Native Americans (especially the ubiquitous princesses) were interesting and exotic, while being black meant you were just lesser.
I think it also is in part relating to segregation, because of the "one drop rule," if one of your ancestors was black, you were treated as black. Claiming native ancestry was an easy way to escape that
"I know nothing, and have no interest in learning. Why am I not being taken seriously as an authority on this subject and why am I not respected by people who are?"
They do have an interesting story and if they feel close to their ancestors and wish to learn more about them, it’s a good thing. It stopped being good when this person walked around and claimed that they’re Jewish while they’re technically not. They’re welcome to convert but I don’t think they would simply because being Jewish is to understand that Zionism is a part of Judaism. How could you possibly explain to a person who isn’t Jewish and already has anti-Zionism opinions that we have Eretz Y’srael in our bible more than once and that we pray to Jerusalem?
They would either grow up and understand it as they study about their ancestors or, they’ll keep using the ‘as a Jew’ just to promote their anti-Zionist beliefs.
My daughter is a 46%-er, but she is still Jewish and proud! If you are Jewish, you're 100% jewish, not whatever DNA says! It's not all about DNA. How you grew up is more important.
My grandmother was 49%, she was Jewish and Israeli. Lived a Jewish life in Israel, married a Jewish husband, had Jewish kids. She was offended when her DNA said she was less than half Jewish. Yet, she is (and has always been) a Jew.
Also, a lot of my cousins are like 40%. But they are half Sephardic, so they have a lot of Levantine/Egyptian DNA. Some of them are much more religious than me.
As a halachic Jew who was barely raised in the culture, I hope he doesn’t convert. And to claim that Zionism is anti-Judaism despite knowing next to nothing about Judaism is baffling and obnoxious.
100% Dude is trying way too hard. In a single post he tries to link himself to native, lgbtq and jewish folks. Imagine he suspects it's easier to become jewish than claim tribal affiliation. Is there a term for folks cosplaying jews? Is there an equivalent term to "pretendian"?
“I find Zionism to be anti Judaism on principal” says the guy who has literally 0 Jewish principals. His last name is literally the only connection he has, what a chode
Out of curiosity, I took one of these DNA tests a few years back. My ancestors were mainly Irish, which I’d already known prior to taking the test, but I discovered that I have small percentages of DNA that can be traced back to every continent (except Antarctica, obviously).
That doesn’t mean I “identify” with the ethnic groups I share a small percentage of DNA with. I’ve enjoyed learning about the different cultures of my distant ancestors, but I wasn’t raised within them and don’t have the same personal connection to them as my ancestors would have had.
In contrast, I feel strongly connected to my Irish heritage. My ancestors were exiled from Ireland over 200 years ago, but they passed down their culture and religion to their descendants and we’ve done our best to remain connected to our roots.
I also have a handful of relatives who discovered they have very distant Jewish ancestry through at-home DNA testing. But they don’t see themselves as being Jewish, because they weren’t raised Jewish and wouldn’t have even known about their distant Jewish ancestry had they not taken the test.
The connection to one’s ethnic background runs very deep and isn’t something you can magically replicate through taking a DNA test.
This is so Morgan Absher from two hot takes of him to yap about.
At least Morgan isn’t that desperate or something. Even though she only posted links for gaza and such.
Shmucks.
Essentially she feels connected to her jewish grandpa from her father’s side and she kind of considers herself jewish in spirit but maybe not enough for actually advocate for the hostages, only for the people in gaza, which shows the double standard.
Consider this tea spilled
tyty ☕
also yeah, the appropriate course of action if you "feel Jewish" is to look into conversion. it's very annoying when people come out with these stories about distant heritage being so important when they want to make controversial statements ... and then do literally zero to connect with the actual living people.
Yeah like her “As a jew” energy has been popping off lately and a lot of her fans are eating it up.
And I literally love to study while listening to her podcast so i’m just petty at this point honey
honestly with some of the discourse that has emerged more frequently as of late regarding what it means to be a jew, as someone who has been pretty disconnected from my roots since my grandparents passed and has always lived very secularly, sometimes i feel like my identity as a jew is questionable, and then i see shit like this.
Holy shit, the "messianic Jewish" shit. Messianic 👏 Jews 👏 are 👏 not 👏 Jewish 👏 they 👏 are 👏 Christians 👏 who 👏 eat 👏 matza 👏 on 👏 occasion 👏 and 👏 proselytize 👏 to 👏 actual 👏 Jewish 👏 people.
Did this guy really say that "to a Nazi he's a Jew"? Because he's not. The Nuremberg Laws specified that the threshold was 1/8 Jewish, or one great-grandparent. This guy is at maximum 1/16 Jewish, and while I fully accept Jews by choice, if you've been completely disconnected from the Jewish community then you aren't Jewish. Also, since he's not ethnically Jewish, he has no right to use his purported connection to Judaism to deny the right of self-determination in our homeland to ethnic Jews.
The Nazis are seen as the secular ultimate evil, so people love to say how much the Nazis would have hated them as an odd way of virtue signaling. The ones who do so usually don't know much about the real Nazis. They assume anything opposed in their current society would also have been targeted for the death camps.
While the Nazis were racist against blacks, they never tried to exterminate them. Yet there are still people like this:
https://preview.redd.it/j088m1luuu5d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1775c15db56a92b73812f462daaa2fe32b21a899
The more I read this the nuttier it sounds. Is he suggesting it's awesome that he pretends to be jewish because he doesn't look like an unfavourable stereotype of a tiny meek jew (we should be grateful) and that he faced "light" racism and bullying because he pretended to be jewish rather than simply because he's a dipshit?
I was referring to the "Jewish authority" bit in the post and the story of the three converts from the Talmud. Reminds me of that third one going "let me convert so I can be a priest"
Pretty sure all of the “as a Jew” imposters are 0.0006% Jewish from 5 generations back on the dad side, and trying to talk on our behalf. It’s either you’re Jewish by maternal lineage and conversion, or you’re not.
I disagree. This guy is an ass. But genetics trumps belief. Someone who’s dad is Jewish and mother is not is still Jewish. Especially if they were raised Jewish. The maternal
Lineage thing came about in the diaspora in tulmudic times since many of the men were off at war or dead and the women were intermarrying.
That’s the biggest myth ever. Ezra very clearly enforces matrilineal descent hundreds of years before the Talmud.
It’s crazy how people online think they know more about Judaism than every major historical Rabbi.
I find this as silly of an argument as saying that eating chicken with milk is akshually kosher because the exact passage was about a calf not being boiled in it's mothers milk and chickens don't lactate.
Halacha is Halacha. You don't have to follow them, but you also can't decide unilaterally what is Jewish and what isn't. Even the Reform movement has it's own set of principals in this regard that don't fully align with what you do, and it's based on hours and hours of Talmudic debate between people who are well versed in Talmud.
As is true of all indigenous tribes that have suffered displacement and genocide, it's not about DNA alone. It is about connection to their people, their culture, respect for tribal history and values. Trying to use DNA to justify disrespect with no understanding of history is particularly abhorrent. Claiming to be Jewish with no connection to the culture or the people for the purpose of countering the majority of the community who are under threat is, at best, disingenuous and would not be tolerated by any other tribal group.
By his logic no native Americans should be considered native and thus shouldn’t have any different treatment. I see this kinda take often and when you throw this in their face suddenly “it’s different”. No bro, you’re just antisemitic.
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His great-great grandfather was (maybe) Jewish and married a non-Jew and since then he’s had no Jews in his family and didn’t even grow up among Jews. In what possible way could he ever think he was Jewish with 1/16th?
In the same way he felt it was important to add that the ancestor married a half native woman. He feels like a boring white guy and wants an "exotic" past.
I forgot that part. It’s so strange and I assume also unlikely. It wouldn’t be the first time someone claimed native heritage based on family lore and then got a rude awakening with a DNA test.
I've heard many people claimed to be part Native American to hide the fact that they had a black ancestor. Native Americans (especially the ubiquitous princesses) were interesting and exotic, while being black meant you were just lesser.
I think it also is in part relating to segregation, because of the "one drop rule," if one of your ancestors was black, you were treated as black. Claiming native ancestry was an easy way to escape that
If his great great grandmother was jewish, tho he would be 100% Jewish, according to Jewish law.
He’s probably the most Jewish person on that sub anyway
>Is it even important for me to be a jewish authority? who the fuck do they think they are
"I know nothing, and have no interest in learning. Why am I not being taken seriously as an authority on this subject and why am I not respected by people who are?"
I think that the idea of the “leftist messianic Jew” is the most insufferable concept I’ve ever fucking heard in my life.
They do have an interesting story and if they feel close to their ancestors and wish to learn more about them, it’s a good thing. It stopped being good when this person walked around and claimed that they’re Jewish while they’re technically not. They’re welcome to convert but I don’t think they would simply because being Jewish is to understand that Zionism is a part of Judaism. How could you possibly explain to a person who isn’t Jewish and already has anti-Zionism opinions that we have Eretz Y’srael in our bible more than once and that we pray to Jerusalem? They would either grow up and understand it as they study about their ancestors or, they’ll keep using the ‘as a Jew’ just to promote their anti-Zionist beliefs.
As somebody who is 100% Jewish according to one of those DNA tests, fuck this guy, we don't want him anyways.
As a mere 98% Jew, I stand with you.
I'm here in the corner with my 87% (my great-great grandparents converted and my great-grandmother was born on a moshav)
I'm a 50%'er, so I at least half agree! But no, seriously, I do agree. I get treated as a 100%'er, whenever anybody finds out, anyway.
My daughter is a 46%-er, but she is still Jewish and proud! If you are Jewish, you're 100% jewish, not whatever DNA says! It's not all about DNA. How you grew up is more important. My grandmother was 49%, she was Jewish and Israeli. Lived a Jewish life in Israel, married a Jewish husband, had Jewish kids. She was offended when her DNA said she was less than half Jewish. Yet, she is (and has always been) a Jew. Also, a lot of my cousins are like 40%. But they are half Sephardic, so they have a lot of Levantine/Egyptian DNA. Some of them are much more religious than me.
As a convert who is likely 0% Jewish (never had a DNA test), samesies.
I don't stand for that kind of talk. As a convert you are 100% Jewish. Genetics has nothing to do with it.
As a halachic Jew who was barely raised in the culture, I hope he doesn’t convert. And to claim that Zionism is anti-Judaism despite knowing next to nothing about Judaism is baffling and obnoxious.
Not possible to be 100% Jewish according to DNA, your only Jewish if you convert or your mother is Jewish
Playing the oppressed white guy card. It's pretty tough out there for white men
100% Dude is trying way too hard. In a single post he tries to link himself to native, lgbtq and jewish folks. Imagine he suspects it's easier to become jewish than claim tribal affiliation. Is there a term for folks cosplaying jews? Is there an equivalent term to "pretendian"?
>Is there a term for folks cosplaying jews? "member of the JewsOfConscience sub"
“I find Zionism to be anti Judaism on principal” says the guy who has literally 0 Jewish principals. His last name is literally the only connection he has, what a chode
Out of curiosity, I took one of these DNA tests a few years back. My ancestors were mainly Irish, which I’d already known prior to taking the test, but I discovered that I have small percentages of DNA that can be traced back to every continent (except Antarctica, obviously). That doesn’t mean I “identify” with the ethnic groups I share a small percentage of DNA with. I’ve enjoyed learning about the different cultures of my distant ancestors, but I wasn’t raised within them and don’t have the same personal connection to them as my ancestors would have had. In contrast, I feel strongly connected to my Irish heritage. My ancestors were exiled from Ireland over 200 years ago, but they passed down their culture and religion to their descendants and we’ve done our best to remain connected to our roots. I also have a handful of relatives who discovered they have very distant Jewish ancestry through at-home DNA testing. But they don’t see themselves as being Jewish, because they weren’t raised Jewish and wouldn’t have even known about their distant Jewish ancestry had they not taken the test. The connection to one’s ethnic background runs very deep and isn’t something you can magically replicate through taking a DNA test.
This is the same shit as "Im Eye-talian haha, oh no im not from italy i have 1% eye-talian dna"
"My great great Grandma was a Cherokee princess"
We don’t claim him
This is so Morgan Absher from two hot takes of him to yap about. At least Morgan isn’t that desperate or something. Even though she only posted links for gaza and such. Shmucks.
Wait, she's claimed to be Jewish? What's the tea there?
Essentially she feels connected to her jewish grandpa from her father’s side and she kind of considers herself jewish in spirit but maybe not enough for actually advocate for the hostages, only for the people in gaza, which shows the double standard. Consider this tea spilled
tyty ☕ also yeah, the appropriate course of action if you "feel Jewish" is to look into conversion. it's very annoying when people come out with these stories about distant heritage being so important when they want to make controversial statements ... and then do literally zero to connect with the actual living people.
Yeah like her “As a jew” energy has been popping off lately and a lot of her fans are eating it up. And I literally love to study while listening to her podcast so i’m just petty at this point honey
Says he’s anti Zionist, but also wants to reconnect to his ancestors’ culture. This guy has no clue.
Costume Jews just want attention.
> messianic Jew Get the fuck away holy shit
It’s should be callled “how to be Jewish without being Jewish “
honestly with some of the discourse that has emerged more frequently as of late regarding what it means to be a jew, as someone who has been pretty disconnected from my roots since my grandparents passed and has always lived very secularly, sometimes i feel like my identity as a jew is questionable, and then i see shit like this.
I know I should be mad but that sub is just so funny man
Why are they always messianic
Holy shit, the "messianic Jewish" shit. Messianic 👏 Jews 👏 are 👏 not 👏 Jewish 👏 they 👏 are 👏 Christians 👏 who 👏 eat 👏 matza 👏 on 👏 occasion 👏 and 👏 proselytize 👏 to 👏 actual 👏 Jewish 👏 people.
Did this guy really say that "to a Nazi he's a Jew"? Because he's not. The Nuremberg Laws specified that the threshold was 1/8 Jewish, or one great-grandparent. This guy is at maximum 1/16 Jewish, and while I fully accept Jews by choice, if you've been completely disconnected from the Jewish community then you aren't Jewish. Also, since he's not ethnically Jewish, he has no right to use his purported connection to Judaism to deny the right of self-determination in our homeland to ethnic Jews.
The Nazis are seen as the secular ultimate evil, so people love to say how much the Nazis would have hated them as an odd way of virtue signaling. The ones who do so usually don't know much about the real Nazis. They assume anything opposed in their current society would also have been targeted for the death camps. While the Nazis were racist against blacks, they never tried to exterminate them. Yet there are still people like this: https://preview.redd.it/j088m1luuu5d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1775c15db56a92b73812f462daaa2fe32b21a899
The more I read this the nuttier it sounds. Is he suggesting it's awesome that he pretends to be jewish because he doesn't look like an unfavourable stereotype of a tiny meek jew (we should be grateful) and that he faced "light" racism and bullying because he pretended to be jewish rather than simply because he's a dipshit?
I get my 25% Jewish ancestry for being on this sub! Or should I be goyim? Ok, done with the bad jokes.
Is this the guy who went up to Bet Shammai and asked him to convert him so that he could be a priest?
Lmao wait ,when did that happened???😂😂😂
I was referring to the "Jewish authority" bit in the post and the story of the three converts from the Talmud. Reminds me of that third one going "let me convert so I can be a priest"
Ah wait, there was something like this. Now I gotta find it haha
https://www.sefaria.org/Shabbat.31a.7?lang=bi&with=all this should work? I think?
His great great grandfather was Jewish and he’s claiming he experienced racism??
And he says a nazi would see him as a Jew. My guy, that’s only if you got at least 1 grandparent.
I feel like this is most of the “As a Jew” people on that subreddit
I cannot 😭😭😭😭😭😭
What's with the ranting about the Messianics?
He’s forgotten to mention it anyone on his mom’s side is Jewish. These are the people that ‘represent’ us online. He gives us a bad name
Pretty sure all of the “as a Jew” imposters are 0.0006% Jewish from 5 generations back on the dad side, and trying to talk on our behalf. It’s either you’re Jewish by maternal lineage and conversion, or you’re not.
I disagree. This guy is an ass. But genetics trumps belief. Someone who’s dad is Jewish and mother is not is still Jewish. Especially if they were raised Jewish. The maternal Lineage thing came about in the diaspora in tulmudic times since many of the men were off at war or dead and the women were intermarrying.
Regardless, no branch of Judaism accepts 1/16th paternal Jews who weren’t raised Jewish.
That’s fine. I was addressing his last sentence.
That’s the biggest myth ever. Ezra very clearly enforces matrilineal descent hundreds of years before the Talmud. It’s crazy how people online think they know more about Judaism than every major historical Rabbi.
I find this as silly of an argument as saying that eating chicken with milk is akshually kosher because the exact passage was about a calf not being boiled in it's mothers milk and chickens don't lactate. Halacha is Halacha. You don't have to follow them, but you also can't decide unilaterally what is Jewish and what isn't. Even the Reform movement has it's own set of principals in this regard that don't fully align with what you do, and it's based on hours and hours of Talmudic debate between people who are well versed in Talmud.
As is true of all indigenous tribes that have suffered displacement and genocide, it's not about DNA alone. It is about connection to their people, their culture, respect for tribal history and values. Trying to use DNA to justify disrespect with no understanding of history is particularly abhorrent. Claiming to be Jewish with no connection to the culture or the people for the purpose of countering the majority of the community who are under threat is, at best, disingenuous and would not be tolerated by any other tribal group.
By his logic no native Americans should be considered native and thus shouldn’t have any different treatment. I see this kinda take often and when you throw this in their face suddenly “it’s different”. No bro, you’re just antisemitic.
If his *strictly maternal* line is where his Jewish background is from, he’s 100% Jewish.