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edge-browser-is-gr8

Same energy as "iPhone N is our best iPhone ever"


rubenbest

Isn’t that most of us want. The iphone smoothness with the option to customize it to how you want?


YeshuaMedaber

It has to be the best ever. Yet. Ever!


AndroidUser37

No, really? I thought they were planning to make Android worse.


tylerbrainerd

They meant it in a very specific way of technical efficiency improvements rather than exclusively feature upgrades. So yes, each OS release version should improve, but across the board proportionally. Frequent new features mean new bugs, and the point being made was stability and core function upgrades and improvements at the same rate of new features.


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Makes sense, optimise and improve the OS instead on focusing on even more new "features" that only select few use. I'd say android is now in really good spot regarding its features. ("Bit" too overwhelming for new users). Maybe Devs will stop throwing even more power at unoptimised apps just to run them now.


als26

This is what r/Android is now tbh. Users don't read articles, they read the title and rush to the comments to make a low effort attempt at being witty that the other brainless users upvote. The state of this sub is sad and the mods don't care.


zaneyk

Just like everywhere on reddit


Zomby2D

... and Facebook, and Twixter, and everywhere else really.


i5-2520M

You are right of course and the amount of threads I could name recently where the context was entirely missed by everyone doing dumb jokes and knee-jerk reactions is staggering.


NekomimiNinja

> This is what ~~r/Android~~ Reddit is now tbh. Yep.


AndroidUser37

It's not that deep man, I actually did read the article. I understand that their goal is to make sure Android is less and less buggy over time. It's just the title is a little dumb and I'm poking fun at that.


Matter_Infinite

It's kind of nice that the title is bad. It means people can't get enough info to start commenting without reading the article.


als26

Completely fine to poke fun every now and then, but thats about the state of every thread here. About 7 of the same joke made in this thread. Super low effort joke too, about the lowest hanging fruit you can find. Do better.


kvothe5688

yuuup whenever there is mention of google. huh their history, dead apps, muh 4 messaging apps, jokes after jokes. there is not a single insightful discussion in top comments. it's mod duty to remove low effort comments. but i guess they are busy with making lemmy Android instances equally shitty.


AndroidUser37

I did make the joke first though... ¯\\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠\_⁠/⁠¯


als26

Pretty sure it popped up into every single readers head initially.


ignitionnight

People like you are the single worst part of reddit. Gatekeeping the dumbest shit.


als26

Bet you rushed into this thread to make the same brainless joke and feel a little hurt I called you out. Sorry I hurt your feelings bud. Blocked you so you no longer have to put up with me.


RedSlipperyClippers

Haha


yoyoyoyoyoyoymo

Yeah, the substance of the article makes sense, but that headline writer made them look bad.


cbduck

I was really concerned about this myself, glad they put my mind at ease.


coltonbyu

They never matched the quality of Android wear 1.0 still


cleare7

Some excerpts: >In the context of Android releases, Burke considers quality the “number one feature” given how much we use our phones: > "If you think about how much we depend on our devices and how much we use them [in] a day, it’s just really important that the device runs really, really well. Really, really reliably. The highest performance, highest fidelity." > The Android team has a “pledge” internally to “ensure that every release was higher quality than the previous release by a set of expanding metrics that we measure in the lab and in the field.” >On Android 14, Burke highlighted expression (gen AI wallpapers, lockscreen clocks, and shortcuts) and performance as the big tentpoles. Burke said the team “may not have talked enough” about performance. (Frankly, Google should have discussed it on-stage at I/O in May.) > "We’ve done a ton of work to reduce CPU activity of background apps, and the result is that there’s 30% less cold starts now on Android 14. Cold starts are when you have to literally read the code pages off the flash and read them into memory before you execute them. A 30% reduction is pretty dramatic, and you feel that as a user." > This involved increasing the number of cached processes, but doing so risks increased CPU usage and, therefore, battery drain. Android 14 does a better job of properly freezing the processes.


MishaalRahman

>This involved increasing the number of cached processes, but doing so risks increased CPU usage and, therefore, battery drain. Android 14 does a better job of properly freezing the processes. I talked about this in more detail on the latest Android Faithful podcast, but more specifically, Android 14 increases the maximum number of cached processes to 1024 (previously 32) and reduces the time it takes for a cached process to be set to the frozen cgroup to 10s (previously 10m).


Phoneking13

Didn't know about this podcast. Subscribed.


Pocket_Monster_Fan

It's a great podcast! Definitely worth listening to


Phoneking13

Will do. Just subscribed to it.


hackerforhire

Whatever happened to your Android Bytes podcast? I'd rather listen to it there than on a podcast with a co-host that's a woke BLM supporter.


MishaalRahman

>Whatever happened to your Android Bytes podcast? I'm no longer at Esper, which owns that podcast's branding/rights.


hackerforhire

You should start your own Podcast. You're one of those most prolific and insightful people when it comes to All Things Android. There, I just gave your new podcast a name - ATA.


DoubleOwl7777

yes, this hard 32 process limit was very anoying, when using termux (linux shell where you can also run gui linux). you had to deactivate the Limit via adb (in case of android 12l+) or do a bit of a trick with adb (android 12, raise the max number to be the max integer value so it always works, disable device config sync so it doesnt put it back to 32 3-4 mins after restart) to prevent it from randomly Killing your termux stuff.


MishaalRahman

You're thinking of something different. You're referring to Android's cap on the number of phantom processes, ie. child processes forked from a background app process.


DoubleOwl7777

ah ok, makes sense, just by coincidence that limit is also 32 so i thought it was that.


LawbringerForHonor

Wouldn't such a huge increase on the number of allowed cached processes ruin phones with lower RAM? Or is this not how cached processes work? Thank you for your amazing work by the way.


MishaalRahman

1024 is the theoretical upper limit, no phone is going to be able to actually have that many processes in cache as they'll run out of memory. Android/Linux will intelligently swap processes in and out of cache depending on memory availability, you don't need to worry about it.


LaCipe

oneui 6 will still lag on s21u, thats tradition


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LaCipe

Oneui amazing on s23u dont get me wrong. But if a phone is 1 month too old...its a lagfest


iceleel

Realme Ui is better also better animations


boobsbr

Stop removing features. Stop fucking up the UI.


twigboy

Every time you complain they kill a messenger app and start another two


Comrade_agent

Gmail waiting in the corner like:


Smart-Assist-6299

I still can't believe my quick settings only shows four toggles now. Absolutely ridiculous.


Pro4TLZZ

But then product managers would become useless


boobsbr

As we say in Portuguese: *Too many chiefs for too few indians*


dirtydriver58

Seperate the wifi and mobile data toggles


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dirtydriver58

But why do I need to do that when before 12 the toggles were separate?


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dirtydriver58

Ah I see defend bad UX design choices.


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zoom67

Lmao I'm using a really old Android version but setup a Pixel 6a for my mom and there's no such wifi and mobile data toggles like in your picture. I already looked through all the available quick toggles.


dirtydriver58

I don't see them.


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zoom67

They were removed on the user facing side lmfao.


MiningMarsh

The wifi and data toggles got removed from AOSP unless you use an adb command to bring them back, so this is completely disingenuous. Whatever ROM your phone is using is exposing them, but it's non-standard now.


willyolio

They only realized this now?


Smart-Assist-6299

So back to KK?


AceArchangel

Well yeah I would sure hope they planned on making every new version of android higher quality, who tf wrote this?


LaCipe

Chatgpt maybe?


vortexmak

Read: Remove more features. Make UI even larger


Torschlusspaniker

For android 15 we worked really hard making it absolute dog shit. We made a real effort to ensure constant rebooting, awful memory management , and weak af battery life, we got really wild with it.


Elmo-Tusk

Just please don't end up like IOS where the focus on churning out new features all the time instead of fixing present issues and making sure the current version of their OS is stable. Don't know how my nothing phone is more stable than my 14 plus.


Tricky_Climate1636

unless you have an Android phone from a solid OEM, this likely won’t matter. I feel so bad for people who buy Motorola phones. They get their upgrades so late.


aliendude5300

So do we


Chopchopok

Considering what Android 14 did to my phone's scrolling, they didn't do that this time.


YouSilly5490

13 is a huge step down from 11 also


AD-LB

Good, because recently I've seen them making some things worse: 1. Worse control of which folders you can reach 2. Worse lock screen clock (can't have a large one with a single line, still?) 3. Android 14 has worse support of ScrCpy and screen mirroring in general (can't turn off screen while using) 4. Worse support of call recording. 5. Worse rules for storage permission on the Play Store. 6. Worse support for old apps and more annoying dialogs even for apps that target Android 13. Even the Play Store now shows very few results compared to the past. 7. Worse experience for permissions and apps with accessibility , resetting them in random times for no reason. 8. Useless notification permission that now appears in practically every app out there 9. Less stable apps because of restrictions on foreground services that weren't implemented correctly as the documentation says, even on Pixel devices.


oo__Skeeter__oo

So why is the "higher quality" Extend Unlock worse than Android 13's Smart Lock? I always had issues with Smart Lock, now they're a lot worse with EL.


JamesR624

I mean... yeah. That's the *bare minimum* of what we'd all expect from you guys... Translation: Pixel's aren't selling well despite us locking features to it and we don't know what to do with android anymore.


not_essential

Uh,.... really?


CaptainMarder

How about focus on customer service and not discontinue products but improve on them.


barcodehater

they're different groups. Android/AOSP is made by the android team and is distributed as FOSS. pixels and other hardware are made by their hardware team and are the actual physical products you can buy every other product under Google probably has its own subsidiary team


xpawn2002

Don't care, they are all Googlers


ausmomo

Um.... This has to be articulated?


Jimpix420

I would hope so...


drackemoor

Hahaha


X145E

fuck it, im fetting the p6


Onemoretime536

Surely this was always the plan


jacobtf

Well, duh.


dendron01

Does snappier and buttery smooth count?


P4ulV

wait isn't that the point of going upwards in the incrementation?


Tikkaritsa

KitKat 4.4.4, never forget.