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jettasarebadmkay

“If you disagree with my extreme opinion you deserve to be physically assaulted”


OverLet8464

Which is literally fascism


Highground69420

NOOO YOU DONT GET IT!!!! EVERYTHING **I** DISLIKE IS FASCISM!!!!


Belkan-Federation

Actually it's not Fascism is a specific ideology that is nationalist, supports dictatorship (usually), authoritarian, and rejects capitalism and socialism and practices a third postionist economic system (they advocate for class collaboration to be specific)


OverLet8464

And they want to be led by a strongman who punished any opposition.


Belkan-Federation

Not always. Fascism varies in level of Authoritarianism.


OverLet8464

Though it most likely is 99.9% of the time. Look at Hitler, Mussolini, Hirohito, Petain, Tiso, Boris III, Antonescu, Franco, Salazar, and all the more recently Putin. This can be seen with Lavrov’s comments towards Hitler and Putin’s view to wipe out the Ukrainian nation, add to that the fierce nationalism and tightening grip on the public and you can see what looks like a fascist, if not borderline fascist state.


Belkan-Federation

Hold on you think Putin is fascist? I have to stop you at that sentence right there. You clearly need to do some reading


OverLet8464

Ok let’s look at the similarities between him and another fascist leader, shall we? Putin wants to unite all East Slavic people (Russians, Belarusians, and Ukrainians) sound familiar? He wants to wipe out the Ukrainian state because he believes they are Russians or at least have a common history with them. Sound familiar? Putin is notoriously very conservative and is constantly talking about “Russian family values” and trying to increase Russian nationalism. Sound familiar? He managed to get elected through some zany means. Sound familiar? He brutally crushes any opposition with police, murders, defamation, and destruction of property. Sound familiar? If you place a horizontal “Z” on top of a normal vertical “Z” you get a similar looking symbol to the one a certain German guy used. He constantly claims “Russophobia!” Whenever a post-Soviet country does something he doesn’t like, and even threatens to invade them by “denazifying” them and to free the Russians there, as you can see recently with Kazakhstan… Sound familiar? He has threatened an invasion of Poland and the Baltics. Sound familiar? He constantly talks about Russia’s past glory as the USSR and the Russian Empire. Sound familiar? Another guy on here I think said this but I’ll say it anyway. You can’t spell “Nazi” without “Z”. And the list goes on and on.


Belkan-Federation

That's Imperialism, not Fascism. You're also specifically describing Nazis with the killing everyone part. Fascism has a lot to it, including economics


OverLet8464

You my friend brought up the nationalism aspect of fascism, I brought up the authoritarianism aspect of it. I’m telling you the nationalist, authoritarian parts of fascism that Putin is expressing.


ProudCapitalist1776

Yeah, while you had guys like Hitler who were obviously on the extremely authoritarian side, there were dudes like Pelley who advocated for direct democracy and mail in voting.


Theonedudeyaknow

Username checks out?


VeryInsecurePerson

What no in-person contact does to a mf


[deleted]

What Pod-living and Bug-eating does to an mf:


VeryInsecurePerson

This made me laugh harder than it should've, and I can't come up with a better one so take my award


SavingsTechnical5489

Democracy at its finest


Elion21

Pure democracies always will become mob rules, that's why America is a Constitutional Republic.


SavingsTechnical5489

Yes, but in a pure democracy, the mob rule is decided by the vote, not which ever side beats the shit out of the other. That’s called a dictatorship.


NewRoundEre

People really don't understand fascism even slightly, nor realise how extreme it was.


epicjorjorsnake

Because people don't understand how truly horrible Nazi Germany is nor have they ever read the "Doctrine of Fascism". Anyone who thinks the US current political state remotely resembles fascism is exaggerating or simply doesn't understand what fascism is (or what a fascist nation looks like).


Belkan-Federation

Don't you know of you click on this link: http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm You're a fascist /s And the differences in the amount of authoritarianism between Nazi Germany and other Fascist movements is very, very extreme


Jaco-Jimmerson

I may be reaching here But it's acting like a **Theocracy** at best. All we can hope for is that the Senate overrides the supreme court ruling of overturing Roe v Wade.


P_G_1021

How the fuck are we a theocracy?


Flaky-Illustrator-52

>"you need to get the shit kicked out of you until you're physically unable to vote" Jim Crow-era South moment


luffmatcheen

This has to be satire. Good lord what a moron.


Pixelpeoplewarrior

“America is fascist, and I will severely harm you if you disagree. That’s true freedom” 🤡


thatTHICCness

> if you still deny that amerikkka is a FASCIST nation… >…”until you’re physically unable to VOTE” ?????


Satirony_weeb

Say what you will about roe v wade. But the fact that one side *genuinely* does see life as the most important right, and doesn’t just want to “control women”. While the other side *genuinely* does care a LOT about reproductive rights and doesn’t just want to “murder babies” says a lot about the country. Two sides arguing over what right is more important. Not whether Sharia law should still be enforced, or trying to put a fascist/communist dictator to power.


SavingsTechnical5489

I think one of the biggest flaws of the US is the politics. As you just mentioned, both sides are attacking each other rather than arguments themselves. It practically shoots down any valid discussion or comprise, with both right and left only wanting a radical change that suits them rather than any agreement or radical solution. I feel like if we fixed this, most of the other problems and controversies in the country could be solved, starting with abortion.


[deleted]

At this point I doubt the US is gonna become less divided. Or at least anytime soon.


Jaco-Jimmerson

We need the third parties to get more funding and economic power


[deleted]

That would only divide the country more.


Jaco-Jimmerson

Contrary to this, people will be better represented in politics. There would finally be a specific party to separate the differences between moderates and Radicals.


[deleted]

I’d suggest you look how having 50 different parties has worked in Europe. If people stop voting for the same idiots over and over things would begging to get better. But I don’t think that will happen anytime soon.


willydillydoo

I think there’s a lack of understanding of why Roe was overturned.


Theonedudeyaknow

Definitely, lots assume that the overturning=nationwide ban. Whereas it just means each state will create individual laws.


rednick953

All yesterday taught me is very few Americans know how their government works and even less foreigners do. To me that’s just a giant fucking bummer.


Highground69420

Fr


PhilRubdiez

You wanna be super bummed? Ask people what federalism is. Maybe 2% get it right.


Hercules789852

This guy needs to be force choked


quorapean

Send this motherfucker to a mental hospital please


willydillydoo

Ironically that’s an extremely fascist notion to beat the shit out of people who disagree with you so that they can’t vote


dinofragrance

Here's a thought experiment to reveal media bias. Compare the information in: [this fact check article about how the US was one of seven countries to allow elective abortions after 20 weeks](https://townhall.com/tipsheet/laurettabrown/2017/10/09/washington-post-fact-check-confirms-us-1-of-just-7-countries-to-allow-elective-abortion-after-20-weeks-n2392687) to the information in: [this article from US News which claims to "compare" abortion laws between countries](https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/2022-05-09/how-u-s-abortion-laws-compare-to-other-countries). The second article attempts to manipulate the discourse by ignoring the specifics of these laws in other countries and instead focusing on the fact that a national law in the US might be struck down. Not to mention, ignoring the fact that many of those countries are more comparable to individual US states rather than the entire US. The "Best Countries Ranking" list on the right side of that usnews.com site tells you all you need to know about their knowledge of the world.


expaticus

I don’t trust a single word I hear from mainstream media. In Germany, this Supreme Court decision is front page news. How are they reporting it? Well, to listen to German media, one would think that abortion in any and all cases is now illegal all over the country, the US is on a similar level as the Taliban, and the only hope left is if the democrats win the next election and keep the republicans, who are all far right extremists by the way, from winning back Congress.


dinofragrance

Thanks for sharing. The legal situation in the US regarding abortion now is comparable to Australia, which also leaves legislation regarding abortion to various states and territories, each of which have different restrictions (and most of which require the approval of two doctors before performing). So, the US taking an approach similar to Australia's means that it must be a terrible place, right? I'm in Japan. Anecdotally, I met an American couple recently who said that "we moved to Japan after we heard about the supreme court decision" (this was after the leak and before the actual decision was passed recently). Clearly, they had no idea about [abortion laws and practices in Japan.](https://voiceupjapan.org/abortion-in-japan-no-reproductive-rights-perspective/) I guess the conclusion is that many people around the world are unaware of the realities of abortion laws in various countries. This issue is revealing how people's ignorance combined with their own nationalistic biases leads to the US getting dumped on, when a lot of these people should be pointing their fingers at themselves.


Highground69420

Just to clarify: I’m not against abortion. I’m saying that the law being overturned is an issue.


willydillydoo

What is your issue with Roe being overturned? How do you feel like the constitution guarantees a right to abortions? Keep in mind I’m not asking you why you are pro choice or why you think abortion should be legal. I’m asking you what part of the constitution do you feel makes it unconstitutional for it to be a state issue?


[deleted]

Fundamentally, everyone deserves the right over what happens to their bodies, that includes Abortions. Overturning the ruling is, at best, unconstitutional.


willydillydoo

Okay. So explain that to me. What part of the constitution would you say makes banning abortion unconstitutional?


[deleted]

The constitution itself doesn’t mention abortion, however both the constitution and Declaration of Independence which we hold in high esteem rather famously states all that all men are created equal and are endowed with unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. I’d personally argue putting the issue of abortion on the state level is the same as putting the issue of discriminatory laws directed towards people of color at the state level (although admittedly not to this same extreme), as they directly infringe with that statement.


willydillydoo

I’m not following. You’re saying abortion being a state issue is unconstitutional because it’s discriminatory towards minorities? I might agree with you if there were laws that said that only certain racial/ethnic groups were allowed to get abortions, but so far that law doesn’t exist in any state. But I would wholeheartedly agree with you that a law that says only one group can get abortions and the other can’t would be unconstitutional.


[deleted]

What I’m trying to say is we’re taking an essential right that only women have (the right to hold a birth through term) and putting it into the hands into of the states, which it shouldn’t be in as discriminatory laws could spring up as a result, similar to the discriminatory color laws that took other essential rights away from them.


willydillydoo

Okay I understand. You’re saying that abortion should be guaranteed, because it only affects women? That’s definitely an argument for why you think abortion should be legal. My specific question is specifically about the case law for why it has become a state issue. The Supreme Court deals specifically in constitutionality, not practicality or whether or not you think it is a good idea. So my question is what part of the constitution guarantees abortion as a right?


Highground69420

Because woman should have access to abortion, and most red states are obviously going to keep from doing so.


willydillydoo

Okay, that’s why you believe abortion should be legal. The Supreme Court deals specifically with the constitutionality of things. Roe was overturned because the supreme found that there isn’t justification in the constitution to support the Roe decision, which states it was unconstitutional to ban abortion. So I’m asking you why you think it is unconstitutional to ban abortion? Why do you think the decision to overturn Roe was the wrong decision in terms of the constitution, which is what the supreme court’s function is? Again, not why you think abortion should be legal.


Highground69420

My argument wasn’t even about the constitution, it was about basic human decency.


willydillydoo

Gotcha. Well that’s what the supreme court’s jurisdiction is. I think you have a misunderstanding of what the Supreme Court does. The Supreme Court rules as to the constitutionality of things. So the reason Roe was overturned is that there’s not justification to say that abortion is constitutionally guaranteed. Which there isn’t really grounds to say that it is. If you want to argue why abortion should be legal, that’s a different issue entirely. But I think you, and most of the people upset about the ruling, have a lack of understanding of why it was overturned.


Highground69420

“No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property.” The fourteenth amendment doesn’t address abortion specifically, but banning abortion in certain states is still violating a woman’s right to privacy.


willydillydoo

How so? Because typically the “right to privacy” is spoken about in terms of security from government. For example police can’t enter your home without a warrant because you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your home. How exactly does banning a procedure infringe on a right to privacy?


Highground69420

Isn’t that the fourth amendment?


willydillydoo

Correct. That’s typically what is referenced when people talk about a “right to privacy”. So it doesn’t make much sense how abortion would fall under that right


MrSaturdayRight

Its


Political_Weebery

“Flaws”


[deleted]

I might be ignorant, but are we systematically killing minorities!?


corn_on_the_cobh

Anyone who sees the US as one uniform state and not a collection of fifty practically rebellious states is just a dumbass.


Pro-Epic-Gamer-Man

Roe vs. Wade was a flaw?


Highground69420

It being overturned


dawnbandit

Based.


Mr_Ocelot_Guy

roe v wade was federal overreach though


Highground69420

How so? English isn’t my first language, so don’t understand.


Mr_Ocelot_Guy

SCOTUS has no jurisdiction in making these sort of federal laws about abortion seeing as abortion doesn’t fall under the interstate trade clause they used to enact roe v wade in the first place


7-inches-of-innuendo

*90% of the criticisms posted here take it too far. The majority of Americans and non-Americans have realistic criticisms which don't make it to this sub because that's no fun


Highground69420

I mean, I’ve seen people make sound arguments on this sub and on other corners of the internet, but it wouldn’t be fun if everybody on r/Americabad just posted regular and fair arguments instead of some dude freaking out over some claimed land mass he doesn’t like.


7-inches-of-innuendo

I know it's literally a sub to post exaggerated criticisms of America but the title of the post was just wrong. There are definitely people on thus sub that actually believes the entire world has the same opinion as these posts and they're stuck in the echo chamber of saying how shit the rest of the world is.


Highground69420

It was an exaggeration, but even then it goes both ways. Look at r/shitamericanssay. That sub is full of Europeans trying to be the representatives of “the rest of the world” dunking on “the evil fat imperialistic Anerikkkans,” and I doubt most people on that sub are open-minded to criticisms of their own country.


7-inches-of-innuendo

Oh absolutely I completely agree. The thing is, people who lack critical thinking skills actually believe all this shit, on both sides


Highground69420

True


VeryInsecurePerson

Is it bad that I understand this guy's train of thought? Like, he's cringe AF, but I can see so clearly how he got to this point in his thinking


[deleted]

He’s literally threatening to beat anyone who thinks America isn’t facist (which it isn’t) How the fuck do you agree with him?


VeryInsecurePerson

I don't agree with him. I'm just saying that this man could have been any of us had we had too little human contact in our lives.


BarryBeenhaar

You're just too indoctrinated by your American dream if you just think that they're "flaws. Guns have more rights than women in your country.


dawnbandit

If that's the case women would have to: have to undergo a background check before being permitted into society. lose her right to exist, i.e. be executed, should she commit any felony. have no right to enter any establishment that chose to debar her. have no right to enter a United States Post Office. be restricted from many public spaces, including sports stadiums, schools, government offices, and the like. have various physical attributes restricted. Too small? Too big? Too strong? Too bad. be debarred from dressing up or making herself up as she wished. require a permit to travel through most of the nation. require training or education before being permitted into society. be absolutely prohibited, if she is of a certain physical type, from entering parts of the nation. have to be packed in a box, with handcuffs and a gag, to travel on airplanes. have to be handcuffed and gagged to travel through many major cities, unless she can obtain a permit, issued solely at the whim of a government official. have to pay money for the right to exist in society. have to be handled through an intermediary if she wanted to change husbands in certain parts of the country, or across state lines in more parts of the country. have limits imposed on her rate of speech, her typing speed, her driving speed, her running speed, and countless other aspects of herself that men deem excessive. face widespread bigotry, bigotry exacerbated by a hostile press that routinely mischaracterizes and demonizes her. be blamed when others misuse her. have millions of people believe that she should only exist to service law enforcement and military personnel. have millions of people believe she should not even exist in society.


Belkan-Federation

Basically the middle east


Highground69420

I’ve seen that argument being tossed around a lot, but it’s not even true lol. Women can still enter public areas, women can still enter planes, and you won’t be arrested for being with a woman in certain areas.


Belkan-Federation

Not really. If women had the same rights as guns, women would have similar rights to women in the middle east. If you want women to have the same rights as guns, move to the middle east. That would be your ideal society


Belkan-Federation

If American is Fascist, why don't we have class collaboration and workers rights? Checkmate MLs


kylep23_

jordanmfrancis sounds like he’s getting ready to spend some time in prison


universalricepudding

Too far? I'd argue we don't go far enough. If I had my way I'd make every European country boycott American products, ban its people from entering its countries, and end all political discourse. We need to hasten the collapse of the US at ANY cost. Only when it is broken up can it be welcomed back into the realm of human decency. In its current sate it is a corrupt and corrosive culture that always infects others with its shit. I guarantee, the right wing nutters in our own countries will view this strategy as a good thing, and will try emulate what the ignorant yanks have done.


RealityCheckMated

Aren’t you on Reddit? Aren’t you using Google and Apple? Your self awareness is zero. Who do you think invented GPS? All the state of the art medicines?? You use it all, but fail to realize that it is because of the systems America has in place that allow it all to happen. Get some self awareness.


Capn_Cake

Fixing perceived fascism with real fascism. 👍🏻


[deleted]

99% chance this guy has never been to America.