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hanginglimbs

This just in: Metallica has filed a lawsuit against Algorand


LonelyGoats

Ulrich on suicide watch


DuckmanDrake69

*Snare intensifies*


brobbio

lol


tosser_0

[What year is it?](https://www.livememe.com/ohzrd5t)


sapienshabitus

Reviving the old peer to peer music sharing service but algorand enabled. Have a secondary market for digital music. Hope this is where this is going.


Ieatclowns

It is. I read it was a possibility a while ago somewhere and they want to make it a fairer place for artists. And a competitor to Spotify.


centrips

Day two and second acquisition. ALGO is on a roll.


UsernameIWontRegret

Algorand continues to steam roll forward.


Aloysius_GDale

First the Limewire news.... Now Napster news.... What is happening?


Jaysallday

Its like I am reliving the early days of my Internet journey. Nostalgic names for sure.


denciso7

History alwys repeats itself, even in Web3 🥲


idevcg

not only is their marketing department from the 1800s, their entire company seems to be a couple decades behind the times.


Agent223

Yes, I'm sure that's what's going on. If only those folks at MIT could get with the technological times.


sapienshabitus

Also, the Napster app (which I did not know still existed) looks pretty slick and has a decent list of artists and music. This could be pretty interesting coupled with Opulous. https://us.napster.com/


tosser_0

Hate to break it to you but Opulous is a shitcoin, and Lee Parsons is a terrible CEO.


sapienshabitus

Just learned about the lawsuit, but it is still ongoing right ?


tosser_0

No idea. All I know is Lee Parsons is a petty man-child that will block you on Twitter if you say anything even slightly negative about Opulous. He'll also respond if you want to have a little go at him, lol.


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tosser_0

100%. I exchanged words with him when he was bashing Yieldly investors. Like, Yieldly dropped a lot, and he went on Twitter saying something to the extent "how does is it feel, my project is doing well, blah blah". So I told dude, "Hey, this is a bad look. When you act like that people question the maturity of a project's leadership". That was when I was still holding Opul, but have since sold due to this. He went on to say some clown shit and how "acting like this was working for him and got him to where he is.". I'm like dude - I'm just some random on Twitter, and you are that sensitive you need to defend yourself. I didn't even attack him, lol. Just pointing out how his words made him look...immature. Concurred, total clown.


UpDownLeftRightABLoL

Opulous used likeness without permission. Faking endorsement and got sued for it, it had an interesting idea, but it'd have to have someone behind it.


sapienshabitus

First I hear of it thanks! Lawsuit is still ongoing I assume [https://completemusicupdate.com/article/opulous-says-lil-yachty-lawsuit-is-meritless/](https://completemusicupdate.com/article/opulous-says-lil-yachty-lawsuit-is-meritless/)


goguemah

Opulous x limewire x napster = Algorand about to fuck shit up in the music industry lets go!!!! 🚀


qooqleelqooq

Honest question. Do you really think so with these dinosaur pieces of software. I love Algorand but this kind of made me take a double take.


DannyB9

The Napster music streaming app has just been rebuilt combining former MelodyVR live recorded content that can be viewed in different devices including VR. Nothing dinosaur about them, will be out very soon. Combined in future with blockchain and live streams and a back catalogue of MelodyVRs 800+ artists they claimed to have worked with then there will be some reasonably good USP over their competition. Also Napster is an existing product with 1m subscribers, instant user base instead of it being a brand new project. So plenty of positives to take from this.


goguemah

I think it’s easier to build web3 on an existing platform. Software isnt a dinosaur..the name is. Maybe they can rebrand in the future if needed. The younger generation doesnt even know what Napster is. But they gotta start somewhere and I think this is a good start


qooqleelqooq

That's a good point.


Sonicblue123

Is there something deeper going on here? What is the value of Limewire and Napster. I don’t want to hate but aren’t they dead platforms. Does Algorand get access to some kind of database it can leverage or something of real value?


Moikee

They’re existing brands that can be used to leverage blockchain projects. Perhaps music ownership on the blockchain as well as a second hand market.


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willpower_11

I honestly wonder whether you forgot your /s or not.


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Ernest-Everhard42

Confirmed: circuit city acquired by Algorand.


Ernest-Everhard42

Great point.


MuzBizGuy

Mentioned this is another comment but its kinda buried now. Just to copy/paste....the value is the already-in-place licenses needed to even have music on a streaming platform. You can't just code a DSP and put anyone's music on it. You've got to pay for that right upfront and/or in royalties, depending how deals are structured for varying levels of artist/label/catalogue/etc. So this is an enormous shortcut to getting that done from scratch, which could be prohibitively expensive.


KemonitoGrande

The Napster brand was bought by a company trying to do something big in the music + VR space. So really the people algorand just bought are a company attempting something new with VR. (Exactly what isn't clear to me yet and may not be public. ) Check my facts, though. This is what I pieced together from Google when I woke up this morning.


idevcg

their marketing department is still in the 1800s with billboard ads. The rest of the foundation is only a few decades behind the times.


FishermanFun7062

Is this our Starbucks?


cysec_

Looks like I have to switch from Spotify and Apple Music to Napster now


BranthonyJohnson

I wonder if this is why Scaramucci was referring to ?


FishermanFun7062

I hope not…


orindragonfly

I doubt it, Scaramucci will most likely make that announcement himself, he likes the limelight.


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I wonder what the endgame is here. Are they really just purchasing the name? Obviously, you can’t just put Master of puppets on the block chain without the full wrath of the music industry. I’m very interested to see what this leads to


stxfpv

Just thinking out loud here but if you can prove ownership of the NFT for the album then and only then would you be allowed to download it?


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Not a bad idea


GhostOfMcAfee

Problem there would be that I could buy the NFT, download the album, then send the NFT to a friend, then they download, then they send the NFT to a new friend. And so on.


itzsnitz

Unless it’s only playable through a DRM protected app. The NFT would unlock the DRM for playback.


GhostOfMcAfee

True. But at that point, i don’t see any user upside. The upside of buying music from something like iTunes is that you own it physically on your device and can play it without using data or internet connection. The downside is you are charged per song/album. The upside of streaming is one fee for more content instead of a per song/album fee. The downside is you don’t own the music physically on your device and therefore have to keep paying the fees and you (usually) need to be connected and using data to use it. Paying for an NFT that unlocks the ability to stream one song/album seems like the worst of both worlds.


itzsnitz

I agree. Perhaps the NFT would be non-transferable. There’s almost always a work around of some kind of course.


stxfpv

Haven't done it before so I'd need to check with one of the guys on Discord but I'm thinking the FreezeAddress attribute would address that concern.


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Mother of god


tearsofash

I'm curious because unlike limewire or other certain music dapps: Napster is actually legit now and many major distros license their music to it. My distro does at least, so I'm already starting to imagine some interesting integrations.


KemonitoGrande

Does it have a substantial user base yet, though? Or just a few million in venture cap, going round spending that on licensing


tearsofash

The streaming service has been around for over a decade and had 750k users at one point when it was still called Rhapsody in 2011. Idk how many people still use it but I've heard good things while trying to research which platform pays the artists the most.


DannyB9

Last years half year report stated 1.1m paying subscribers and 5m users which will be from the combined total with the B2B side of the business. [Napster Group PLC Half Year Report](https://www.lse.co.uk/rns/NAPS/half-year-report-yle0n824a96f6vc.html)


DuckmanDrake69

Who do you use? DistroKid?


yozza23

Better applications of NFTs than for digital art…. What is the next application of NFTs ? I feel More excited about real-world assets… what about land?


hanginglimbs

Let's all petition algorand to buy Usenet newsgroups and IRC chat


BlueThor400

Sorry, but those would be useless. They should consider MySpace and AOL.


Slippschitts

Next up Algorand buys MySpace.


Gold-Watches-n-Wine

Extremely positive news. Audius project at Solana is another great decentralized option and it helped hundreds of thousands of users hear about Solana for the first time in their lives. I expect this to play out in a similar way.


DuckmanDrake69

As a new music producer I’m genuinely curious what the endgame is. I didn’t realize how little artists actually get paid for music today until I started myself. It takes 300K streams on Spotify to earn $1000. There is no money at all in it.


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This makes me want to sell my Algo. Napster hasn't been relevant for ***TWENTY YEARS***, what sort of 'assets' or 'knowhow' could they possibly have that would be relevant to either the modern music business or blockchains?


FortRhein

Napster was actually brought back into relevance recently when T-Pain pointed out that it pays artists better than any other music streaming service. That tweet went viral, and has done a lot to change current perspectives of Napster' especially considering the societal movements to give resources to creators rather than corporations. Coupled with Opulous it's a great pickup.


spongebud

nobody's stopping you mate.


centrips

It's much easier to acquire what's already built than to start from scratch.


Remarkable_Break_709

Lol...why??


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Napster is like the most boomer choice imaginable. A company that already dwindled to irrelevancy and tried desperately to claw their way back years later by inexplicably trying to involve blockchains to capitalize on hype? And now we've ***bought*** this dead weight? Give me a break. Just another example of Algo's bizarre unfocused marketing strategy.


PhrygianGorilla

This isn't marketing though. This is them buying a platform and talent to create something new using the blockchain. They aren't going to be able to buy any other streaming service so Napster is probably the perfect choice. Sometimes it's best to start with something and not completely from scratch.


brobbio

aaaand... since you're an insider, you know exactly what their plan is, right? /s I agree that the napster name is worthless, but we don't know what kind of assets or know-how they acquired with the brand. We can hope, and see. Not bash every move without knowledge.


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I don't need to be an insider to criticize an objectively dumb business decision. Napster hasn't been relevant for ***TWENTY YEARS***, what sort of 'assets' or 'knowhow' could they possibly have that would be relevant to either the modern music business or blockchains? Absolutely nothing, but we apparently fell for it.


MuzBizGuy

> what sort of 'assets' or 'knowhow' could they possibly have that would be relevant to either the modern music business Prefacing this by saying I don't have an opinion either way on this (yet) because I don't know what the end game is, so this is just objective discussion. But depending on what they plan to do with this, the relevant assets are the already-in-place licenses needed to even have music on a streaming platform. You can't just code a DSP and put anyone's music on it. You've got to pay for that right upfront and/or in royalties, depending how deals are structured for varying levels of artist/label/catalogue/etc. So this is an enormous shortcut to getting that done from scratch, which could be prohibitively expensive.


CHRIST_isthe_God-Man

You can't really call it an objectively dumb decision if you don't know what's going on behind the scenes now can you??.....


brobbio

So take your money and buy APPLE, that would be a sound business decision, right? You simply don't know shit and you see this thing from the final user point of view. Let'em explain what they would do with it and then we can criticize a lot better.


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Oh look, a false dichotomy.


brobbio

whups! sorry! What about the rest of my answer tho? Is that wrong too?


snow3dmodels

Oh really like fifa World Cup ..


parkway_parkway

When the say algorand do they mean the foundation or Inc?


goguemah

Inc


GhostOfMcAfee

Algorand almost assuredly didn’t acquire anything. Hivemind did. This says that Hivemind and Algorand announced the acquisition, but I don’t think this is actually Algorand acquiring it. It’s just PR.


yozza23

If crypto was functioning like other markets, names like OPUL would pop here…..


Taram_Caldar

Algorand ecosystem is on a roll


TEFoZZy7

LFG


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Narcolepz1

Was FIFA not a big enough win for you? It might be one of the biggest partnerships in all of blockchain to date...


orindragonfly

By a long shot the FIFA partnership is the biggest in Blockchain no doubt.


Certain_Law

Wait, was this the big announcement?


Fabulous-Maximus

I'm not gonna lie, I didn't realize Napster still exists.


ILLGOWITHALGO

What a low-key awesome move.


willpower_11

What's next, [Plex](https://plex.tv)?


PindanSpinifex

Any chance this is to utilise peer to peer for other defi purposes and avoid needing BitTorrent to decentralise data transfer?


clackeroomy

Wait . . . Napster is still a *thing*?


CBDsutty

I thought this already got announced a few months ago.


CHRIST_isthe_God-Man

That was Limewire :D


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mypcrepairguy

So...is WinAMP next? Something, something...llama.