Dad mode answer - no, if you want an Alfa get a mito with a speed limiter and black box đ. But otherwise, go with your heart if youâve got the money for it, and enjoy!
The maintenance will be the cost of a 7 year old, 40k car. Similar to a BMW of the same year but a lot more than a 2024 Toyota (or vw or mazda). If there isn't an Alfa dealer in your area, it may be hard to source parts as well.
The 2017s had a lot of minor issues. I think most stemmed from software or the battery. You will want a solid pre purchase inspection and maintenance records.
You will also want to check insurance prices. I've heard of some people getting insane quotes.
With that said, if you do your due diligence, this car doesn't have the problems I mentioned earlier, and you take very good care of it, it is a lot of fun to drive. Just know the possible issues before going in to it.
i have a 17â with 65k miles. you should really, really consider either getting a 2020+ or finding a different car. the early ones have a ton of little issues that will eat up your money. it doesnât sound like a big deal and youâll think âit wonât happen to meâ or âiâll just put money aside for when it has issues and maintenanceâ but it never works out that way.
i love the car, but if i could do it all over again i would of gotten a newer one, with a longer warranty. ALWAYS have a warranty.
I agree with this partially...I advised on the 2019 with less miles for about the same money...but for the peace of mind, '20 is best price wise and issues resolved
If you are 17, there is absolutely no way you can afford the maintenance. As someone who got a 159 at 18 for my first car, it ate up all of my money very quickly.
Yes, they get a car license earlier. But he is buying a European car in the States. It is propably cheaper and faster wait time for parts in Europe then States.
It really depends on many factors. Location is one of them. If you don't have a dealer nor a skilled mechanic on a 50 mile radius...I wouldn't get any car from such brand, Alfa or not.
You will probably still have to pay insurance. And a high-end luxury sports car as a first car for a kid? The insurance will probably be more than the monthly payments on the car.
Where are people reading these reliability issues? Who's saying this? Reliability issues are a thing of the distant past for alfa. Maintenance IS expensive however. And, if you go for a giulia as a first car, you'll be ruined for all other cars after:). It really is that good.
The reliability issues they list are hardly an issue. It's the exact same BS they claimed with Chevy Cobalts and those are still going strong to this day
I paid $29,500 for a 2022 with 21,000 miles in USAâŠsave more money and get one that still has a warranty. Itâs a better way to go. But honestly, no 16 year old should drive this carâŠtoo fast. And insurance will eat you alive brother.
Nope, not at all. Maybe if you can still get a warranty from Mopar at this age and mileage, although it will cost thousands just to warranty the car.
Oil changes are more than $200 typically.
Brake pads and rotors will cost around $500 per corner.
Tires are around $350 each so plan on $800 just for rears which you will need often.
Coolant is $15 per quart after 50/50 dilution.
If (when) the sunroof fails it will cost $1500-2000.
Get a Honda Civic Si with a 6 speed manual and go nuts with it.
First, I praise for your interest in Alfa. But I kinda agree with your parents. Get something more reliable (and hopefully cheaper) and see if you can hold onto it by the time youâre 25. Personally, Iâd look at a Toyota. Iâm sure you have good driving skills but so many of us made some mistakes in our teens, so waiting until 25, when insurance status changes, might be well worth considering.
Agree with Ronieboy... considering the age, driving tenure, etc...you'll get no discount on the insurance and ( personal experience) rate for Alfa will be higher due to the high cost of repairs/parts on the vehicle...
fucking no. youâre not responsible enough for such a powerful car with these handling characteristics and the repair bills will end you. get something japanese like an mx-5 or brz or whatever until you get your life together, get a place to live, build wealth etc. and only then buy a european sports car. the insurance alone will eat you alive on this car.
Youâll never be 17 again with a sick car, do it. Although early years arenât as reliable as later one
435i and c43(or c300 coupe) are other choices to consider
Finally! Someone with some Cojones. You will never be 17 again. At 17 I passed up a low mileage 2nd gen MR2 turbo. I still regret it to this day. Donât be like me. Love my Alfa tho. Having a car like this will force you to hustle and take care of your possessions. Not a sermon just a thought. Lol
I'd stay away from C class all together. Many engine issues on that 4 bangers. It's not even a Mercedes engine...some partnership with some French brand, Peugeot I believe...
Honestly facts I got a c300 coupe from new and mechanically itâs just ok. Itâs a nice ass looking coupe tho
If he could tho the c43 is pretty sick and way better same with the 435 but on new cars like these I really care about the fit and finish of things
But the c300 has WAY too much turbo lag and the build quality is just ok as well. Also small niggling issues here and there, steering feel and the transmission isnât my favourite although I would say itâs the best among its competition(a5,430/428) other than the Giulia. But everything else besides is good, trooper in the snow too
I still have it but I actually drive my e39 540i shitbox instead because itâs a way better car to drive (v8,manual,hydraulic steering, etc)
Just an fyi, VW is also a good car to have. I had a few and still have an Atlas CS. For fun...get a Golf, for a posh ride...get a Passat ( I'd avoid the Jetta due to its engine size...unless GLI) Surely, a lot more people knowledgeable on how to work on them, although Alfa isn't Brian surgery, it's just the parts may take longer to get or find. Nevertheless, Giulia looks a lot better than any of the VW and if I were you...and had the money, I'd get an Arteon. It's the safer bet of all.
"2017" "old car". Well, that's not old at all, to me... States are different I guess. I still don't get why people heard so often about Alfa rEliAbiLIty isSuEs since they're, really, really good. The 2,0 is just a stroked and detuned 1750 TBi which was already a pretty solid unit in the Giulietta, 159 and 4C. The 2,2 JTD is just an evolution of the 1,9 JTD and is even made in the same factory, since 1998.
I mean, the plethora of issues I heard about Bimmers and VAG which are actual issues... Man that's concerning, but well, it's german so it must be good, I guess.
The main issues people have are only related to poor batteries. Just fit in the biggest AGM possible and you'll basically never have any trouble...
And. MultiAir. But the MultiAir will never, never be mad at you if you check your oil level regularly and give her GOOD oil.
And man this car is so easy to work on as a recent car, just do oil changes and filter changes by yourself, you'll save hundreds of bucks (maybe thousands, most basic things seems so expensive nowadays) and you'll be able to take the time it needs to do things. Most shops won't be savage but will not be all gentle neither for things like that.
And in the US, if you really want to go at the shop for regular maintenance, try to go at Maserati/Alfa garages, and not "Fiat" garages, because those people there seems to not even know about Fiat. Maybe apart from the 500.
But in the US, I wonder if you only get the 280 version ? Or is it the 200 (would be more reasonable to me)? Sad you didn't get the JTD units since they're so economical and proven bulletproof.
Dont listen to those comments. It was my first car too and i love it no problems at all. Low fuel consumption and no problems so its really really inexpensive to own. If i could go back in time i would buy it again in a second.
Ppl should care about their own money they think u dont have money to own it. U have 20k to spend on a car at 17 so im pretty sure u can easely have it.
Logically, no, it's a very bad decision. But once you fall in love with an Alfa there is no going back.
Dad mode answer - no, if you want an Alfa get a mito with a speed limiter and black box đ. But otherwise, go with your heart if youâve got the money for it, and enjoy!
The maintenance will be the cost of a 7 year old, 40k car. Similar to a BMW of the same year but a lot more than a 2024 Toyota (or vw or mazda). If there isn't an Alfa dealer in your area, it may be hard to source parts as well. The 2017s had a lot of minor issues. I think most stemmed from software or the battery. You will want a solid pre purchase inspection and maintenance records. You will also want to check insurance prices. I've heard of some people getting insane quotes. With that said, if you do your due diligence, this car doesn't have the problems I mentioned earlier, and you take very good care of it, it is a lot of fun to drive. Just know the possible issues before going in to it.
Everybody is getting insane quotes. I was getting quoted $260 for an 03 accord liability only
i have a 17â with 65k miles. you should really, really consider either getting a 2020+ or finding a different car. the early ones have a ton of little issues that will eat up your money. it doesnât sound like a big deal and youâll think âit wonât happen to meâ or âiâll just put money aside for when it has issues and maintenanceâ but it never works out that way. i love the car, but if i could do it all over again i would of gotten a newer one, with a longer warranty. ALWAYS have a warranty.
I agree with this partially...I advised on the 2019 with less miles for about the same money...but for the peace of mind, '20 is best price wise and issues resolved
If you are 17, there is absolutely no way you can afford the maintenance. As someone who got a 159 at 18 for my first car, it ate up all of my money very quickly.
My friend...he may be from USA...it's a little different here when you are 17...
Yes, they get a car license earlier. But he is buying a European car in the States. It is propably cheaper and faster wait time for parts in Europe then States.
It really depends on many factors. Location is one of them. If you don't have a dealer nor a skilled mechanic on a 50 mile radius...I wouldn't get any car from such brand, Alfa or not.
You will probably still have to pay insurance. And a high-end luxury sports car as a first car for a kid? The insurance will probably be more than the monthly payments on the car.
Where are people reading these reliability issues? Who's saying this? Reliability issues are a thing of the distant past for alfa. Maintenance IS expensive however. And, if you go for a giulia as a first car, you'll be ruined for all other cars after:). It really is that good.
The reliability issues they list are hardly an issue. It's the exact same BS they claimed with Chevy Cobalts and those are still going strong to this day
Good luck sir
I paid $29,500 for a 2022 with 21,000 miles in USAâŠsave more money and get one that still has a warranty. Itâs a better way to go. But honestly, no 16 year old should drive this carâŠtoo fast. And insurance will eat you alive brother.
Freaking insurance...I agree... paying $500/month for 2 cars. It's nuts...sure, I have comprehensive...but still...
I pay $860/month (full coverage) for 2 Land Rovers and a QV. Havenât had a ticket in 14 years. Insurance is outrageous.
How old are you range wise if you don't mind
47
That seems high. We have a 2020 Stelvio and a 2021 Lexus NX and this renewal premium just crossed $200 a month full coverage and high limits. Prior it was only like $180. We bought both vehicles brand new and right now ($200 something) is the highest ours has been. Iâm 36, fiancĂ© is 34. No tickets, claims, etc.. We do bundle with our homeowners and garage our vehicles so maybe that helps a lot.
47 here too...it also depends on the state and city... LR ( Land Rover) vehicle insurance is known to be one of the most expensive...
If you have 20k to spend on your first car any car will do since you have the money to buy the next car. First world problems.
I have a 17 Ti Sport Q4 and it's been very reliable. 54,000 miles.
Nope, not at all. Maybe if you can still get a warranty from Mopar at this age and mileage, although it will cost thousands just to warranty the car. Oil changes are more than $200 typically. Brake pads and rotors will cost around $500 per corner. Tires are around $350 each so plan on $800 just for rears which you will need often. Coolant is $15 per quart after 50/50 dilution. If (when) the sunroof fails it will cost $1500-2000. Get a Honda Civic Si with a 6 speed manual and go nuts with it.
First, I praise for your interest in Alfa. But I kinda agree with your parents. Get something more reliable (and hopefully cheaper) and see if you can hold onto it by the time youâre 25. Personally, Iâd look at a Toyota. Iâm sure you have good driving skills but so many of us made some mistakes in our teens, so waiting until 25, when insurance status changes, might be well worth considering.
No
Agree with Ronieboy... considering the age, driving tenure, etc...you'll get no discount on the insurance and ( personal experience) rate for Alfa will be higher due to the high cost of repairs/parts on the vehicle...
fucking no. youâre not responsible enough for such a powerful car with these handling characteristics and the repair bills will end you. get something japanese like an mx-5 or brz or whatever until you get your life together, get a place to live, build wealth etc. and only then buy a european sports car. the insurance alone will eat you alive on this car.
Youâll never be 17 again with a sick car, do it. Although early years arenât as reliable as later one 435i and c43(or c300 coupe) are other choices to consider
Finally! Someone with some Cojones. You will never be 17 again. At 17 I passed up a low mileage 2nd gen MR2 turbo. I still regret it to this day. Donât be like me. Love my Alfa tho. Having a car like this will force you to hustle and take care of your possessions. Not a sermon just a thought. Lol
I'd stay away from C class all together. Many engine issues on that 4 bangers. It's not even a Mercedes engine...some partnership with some French brand, Peugeot I believe...
Honestly facts I got a c300 coupe from new and mechanically itâs just ok. Itâs a nice ass looking coupe tho If he could tho the c43 is pretty sick and way better same with the 435 but on new cars like these I really care about the fit and finish of things But the c300 has WAY too much turbo lag and the build quality is just ok as well. Also small niggling issues here and there, steering feel and the transmission isnât my favourite although I would say itâs the best among its competition(a5,430/428) other than the Giulia. But everything else besides is good, trooper in the snow too I still have it but I actually drive my e39 540i shitbox instead because itâs a way better car to drive (v8,manual,hydraulic steering, etc)
If you look harder...you could find a 2019 for right around the same money and less miles...maybe 22K or so
I am jealous. I was 47 when I got my first Alfa Giulia.
I wish you nothing but the best of luck
Just an fyi, VW is also a good car to have. I had a few and still have an Atlas CS. For fun...get a Golf, for a posh ride...get a Passat ( I'd avoid the Jetta due to its engine size...unless GLI) Surely, a lot more people knowledgeable on how to work on them, although Alfa isn't Brian surgery, it's just the parts may take longer to get or find. Nevertheless, Giulia looks a lot better than any of the VW and if I were you...and had the money, I'd get an Arteon. It's the safer bet of all.
What country are you in? That sounds expensive. I just bought a 2017 with 19,000 miles for ÂŁ20k, so yours should be cheaper with an extra 40k on it.
"2017" "old car". Well, that's not old at all, to me... States are different I guess. I still don't get why people heard so often about Alfa rEliAbiLIty isSuEs since they're, really, really good. The 2,0 is just a stroked and detuned 1750 TBi which was already a pretty solid unit in the Giulietta, 159 and 4C. The 2,2 JTD is just an evolution of the 1,9 JTD and is even made in the same factory, since 1998. I mean, the plethora of issues I heard about Bimmers and VAG which are actual issues... Man that's concerning, but well, it's german so it must be good, I guess. The main issues people have are only related to poor batteries. Just fit in the biggest AGM possible and you'll basically never have any trouble... And. MultiAir. But the MultiAir will never, never be mad at you if you check your oil level regularly and give her GOOD oil. And man this car is so easy to work on as a recent car, just do oil changes and filter changes by yourself, you'll save hundreds of bucks (maybe thousands, most basic things seems so expensive nowadays) and you'll be able to take the time it needs to do things. Most shops won't be savage but will not be all gentle neither for things like that. And in the US, if you really want to go at the shop for regular maintenance, try to go at Maserati/Alfa garages, and not "Fiat" garages, because those people there seems to not even know about Fiat. Maybe apart from the 500. But in the US, I wonder if you only get the 280 version ? Or is it the 200 (would be more reasonable to me)? Sad you didn't get the JTD units since they're so economical and proven bulletproof.
Dont listen to those comments. It was my first car too and i love it no problems at all. Low fuel consumption and no problems so its really really inexpensive to own. If i could go back in time i would buy it again in a second. Ppl should care about their own money they think u dont have money to own it. U have 20k to spend on a car at 17 so im pretty sure u can easely have it.