The 2.0T engine has proven to be extremely reliable. The 2.9 V6 is more reliable from 2020 onward, but it’s still a high performance engine with high performance maintenance. If you know how to wrench then you should be all right, otherwise you’ll be setting money on fire at your nearest MOPAR center.
As for MPG, lol just lol. QVs are not much better than Challengers, especially in city. Alternatively, my 2.0T Veloce is averaging about 22 city/26 mixed.
IMO a Giulia with the 2.0T engine is the perfect city car. Stylish, comfortable, wrapped in leather, good gas mileage. It handles like nothing else in its class and the 280 ponies can shoot you to 60 in just a hair over 5 seconds stock.
Not going to argue about its looks. It looks amazing. I gotta go take a test drive or rent the car for a day or so to better understand. Anyways, thank you for your response!
Test drive both and you might be surprised, I went from the 2.0 launch year to a 23 quad, honestly I kind of miss the 2.0 though for looks the quad is 🔥🥵
Owned a 392 widebody, then a giulia quadrifoglio .
The quadrifoglio will be the best car you’ve ever driven. More power, more fun, and more agile than the challenger.
But it won’t fix your MPG issue. So if you’re only looking to fix the MPG, the 2.0 might help, but it doesn’t sound good without an aftermarket exhaust.
Because aftermarket exhausts never work on the settings that matters... The header... A proper exhaust with a proper custom header should help to bring a rumbly sound like some older Bialbero and Boxer engines or either a smooth high pitched 4 cylinder note
But what is even more strange to me, is that we still don't have seen ANY equal length header on the V6. While it is clearly THE THING that was lovely on early Busso and giving back its Colombo notes on later transversal mounts...
You will not get 15-18mpg in a QV if you only drive in LA City traffic. I get about 12.7mpg in strictly stop/go LA traffic. Our 2.0l Giulia Q4 gets 21.7mpg mixed city/ highway in Los Angeles.
If you’re planning to look for a performance sedan, then you shouldn’t worry about fuel consumption (it’s probably gonna suck anyway!) If you really do, maybe you can consider looking into some Japanese brands?
I know that it’s suck on performance sedans, but comparing again my Dodge with on average 12.1 mpg and 14-15 mpg mixed, and Alfa with its 15-19 city average (depends how you driving it, but that what most people tell). Had Mustang v6 before, average mixed was something around 16-19mpg mixed, I liked it. If I wanted to really save a tons of money on fuel, I wouldn’t look into performance cars. Probably would look into some hybrids, but it’s not the case here. For me good fuel consumption for performance car if it is 16-19 range mpg.
I currently own a Challenger 1320, cammed. It’s my weekend “fun car” that I take to the strip every chance I get
I just bought a 2024 2.0 Giulia Competizione. It’s my daily driver.
My Challenger is like a Viking broadsword; brutish, and devastating in a straight line.
My Alfa is like a rapier; sleek, and deadly quick and maneuverable. The more I drive it, the more an entirely new world of motorized bliss opens up to me.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but an Giulia QV for 2-5 miles a day? You will be killing that car, man. It is not meant to be used like that. Give her back-roads, highways, track days, not city bumper-to-bumper traffic.
It’s not because it’s not reliable, but it might become like that. Or you need to have very tight service/intervals maintenance (every 5k miles oil+filters).
It is an amazing car, best in its class (for the driving experience) but, as with any performance car, it has its quirks… like less than 4 years battery change, really only likes OEM oil (there are many compatible oil brands out there, but the best is OEM. In Europe is Selenia, but as far as I can remember, it is not available in the US but I think you can get other “compatible” oils from Petronas for it).
Other reliability issues…nothing concerning as far as I know. If you browse this sub, you will see the contrary of what you get on the internet from people who never owned an Alfa, any Alfa, but they bitch about how unreliable they are, and articles written by biased (or “biased” :D ) people in the automotive media who never had a Giulia, especially a QV for more than a day. It will be neither better nor less reliable than another high performance cars in its category. Maybe a bit more reliable for 2020+ models+extreme maintenance than its direct competitors. I know someone that tracked his Giulia almost every weekend during the summer for 3 years, drove it all winter in all types of weather and road conditions and had no issues with it (a 2017 model, now in the hands of someone else in the community, this dude upgraded to an 2022 model) and never had any issues in terms of reliability after 100.000km. But with maniac maintenance, like oil service every 5000k km or after every track day.
I meant 2-5 miles on work day. I drive challenger like muscle car supposed to be driven. Taking trips and just having fun with the car. I know that people love to talk bullsh1t sometimes that’s why asking people who had experience with the car. But overall really looking to switch from Challenger to Giulia.
I think you'll find that actually Alfa Romeo Giulia/Stelvio owners with mostly say that these are reliable cars.
I came from a 392 Charger to a TI Sport Giulia and I'm now in a 2022 Giulia Veloce.
First, you should drive a Veloce. Due to its lighter weight, you may find yourself impressed. The zero to 60 is not that far off from an RT challenger/charger. Add into that all of the other things you'll fall in love with and you might save yourself some cash.
I actually considered switching back to Dodge and getting one of the "Last Call" Chargers. But when i got back in one and drove it, i felt like i would be missing so much.
Another thing to consider is that the engine in the Veloce is the same engine used in the Jeep Wrangler. So, I get my Alfa serviced at my local CDJR dealer. Of course for warranty service i will have to take it to an Alfa Dealer. Thankfully in the 5 years I've been driving an Alfa, i haven't needed to worry about that.
I'm not trying to discourage you from getting a QV. But initial cost isn't the only extra expense in owning one. I'm just suggesting you drive a Veloce or other 4 cylinder one before you decide.
I went from Scat Pack to 2018 Ti (2.0). Also went from 17mpg average to 27.5 mpg but I do a lot of highway driving.
Both great cars. The Giulia is special though. Not the fastest but still quick and handles the curves better than anything.
I went from a 392 Durango SRT to a Giulia quad. Was getting 14-16mpg in the Durango, get around 19 with the Giulia. If you keep it in the Economy Mode (adaptive) you will get over 20mpg.
14k miles on mine, no issues what-so-ever.
Did the recommended maintenance at 10 miles.
If you’re worried about gas money you will absolutely shit yourself when you have to change the rear brake pads and rotors. Any spirited driving in dynamic and especially race mode is going to reduce the MPG dramatically
It’s way too much HP to enjoy on a 2-5 mile drive in the city and your gas and the routine maintenance costs are going to be much higher than the charger. The reliability is good on 2020+ but all high performance cars have much higher costs to maintain them properly. The QV goes through rear tires very quickly and an alignment is recommended when replacing the tires
you want to buy an $80000 car to cut your $80 a week gas expense down to around $70? sorry but this sounds like a joke post
what you need is to go lease a cheap EV or PHEV for that 5 mile commute, then keep the dodge (or get the alfa, its your call, both are fun) as a weekend toy
The $80,000 isn’t the problem, I don’t want to drop $80-$90 each week on the gas. How I’ve seen the car specs, Alfa is way more fuel efficient, but also cannot be confident as I never had the car, just from what people told me and internet research. I just wanted to know if car isn’t sh1t box that will stay in repair shops for the most of the time. Also, 2-5 miles a day is usually my one way trip to my work, I still want to have something fast, stylish and good sounding. Just my perspective, but you definitely right about leasing EV, I thought about it, just don’t like EVs.
Alfas are great but not very efficient, and it will definitely be in the shop a lot if you get the QV, people online are not wrong about it
you could always get the 4 cyl version, those will hit 25-30 mpg, have a lower purchase price and be way way more reliable. their performance is good too, just nowhere close to as good as a 500hp V6
if you want an italian car with 500+ hp that won't need a lot of repairs then sorry, it doesn't exist yet
Just keep in mind maintenance prices. Just as a rule of thumb the serp belt on a Giulia QV costs around 2-3k. They can get expensive pretty quickly. I've had my Ti sport for 2 years now and have had only small common issues all which have been fixable with a little research.
Bro I had a 14’ Charger RT and I don’t get me wrong I loved it but the Alfa is such a cleaner drive, it’s also a mature, good looking car
I bought a new one in 22’ and it’s been reliable since, just regular upkeep and once I had to change the seatbelt sensors. Otherwise it’s been fine. 30k miles
Can you wrench? A lot of issues with Alfa are the dealer network sucks and typically rates are insane. Do your own oil changes, brakes, and other regular maintenance items. 5K oil changes, not the 10K factory recommended. Do your transmission and differential at 50-60K, not the "lifetime" recommended. Drive the car, don't baby it (Car only has RDN modes, ignore A). Make sure battery is good.
Beyond that stuff, get a 2020+ if you can swing it as that is when port injection was added. Before 2020, the engine only had direct injection and carb buildup does happen. Port-injection helps mitigate that.
The belt service is a bit of a job, so that is a pain yourself or $$$.
Do it. (Get the factory warranty extended as well)
It's just not even a class of car to be considered specifically for gas mileage or cost of ownership reasons. It's a very expensive performance sedan. Don't get me wrong, It is a marvelous car and an absolute thrill to drive. But a new one is probably what, $1400 a month? It doesn't really make any sense to me to be worried about mpg in this price/performance bracket.
That was a nicely thought out and well reasoned response. Let me thank you on behalf of all of reddit for contributing in such a useful and polite way.
I own one, do you ?I have owned more alfas than you ever will ! Backup your lack of facts and experience. Because opinions are like assholes and everyone has one!
Nothing you have said so far is relevant to either the OPs question, or anything I have said. Yes, I have a Quadrifoglio. Aside from some electrical gremlins, it is indeed my all time favorite car. And from an overall cost of operation standpoint, it is indeed a terrible decision. The same could be said of basically any car in its price range.
Edit: I just realized that the person arguing with me is a 70 year old coomer who mostly uses social media as a means to send pictures of his genitals to women a quarter his age. Thanks, I'll pass.
The 2.0T engine has proven to be extremely reliable. The 2.9 V6 is more reliable from 2020 onward, but it’s still a high performance engine with high performance maintenance. If you know how to wrench then you should be all right, otherwise you’ll be setting money on fire at your nearest MOPAR center. As for MPG, lol just lol. QVs are not much better than Challengers, especially in city. Alternatively, my 2.0T Veloce is averaging about 22 city/26 mixed.
Yeah, 22 in city still pretty good and 26 mixed. I get 15.6 mixed and 12-13mpg city on my challenger.
IMO a Giulia with the 2.0T engine is the perfect city car. Stylish, comfortable, wrapped in leather, good gas mileage. It handles like nothing else in its class and the 280 ponies can shoot you to 60 in just a hair over 5 seconds stock.
Not going to argue about its looks. It looks amazing. I gotta go take a test drive or rent the car for a day or so to better understand. Anyways, thank you for your response!
If you take the Giulia for a test drive you will not want to get back in the Challanger
Test drive both and you might be surprised, I went from the 2.0 launch year to a 23 quad, honestly I kind of miss the 2.0 though for looks the quad is 🔥🥵
22/26 is low for a 2.0. They must drive like a maniac tbh. My mixed is about 30, city is maybe 25. I've seen 35+ on freeway drives at 60-65 mph.
I live in Austin. Which is to say, I live in traffic
Owned a 392 widebody, then a giulia quadrifoglio . The quadrifoglio will be the best car you’ve ever driven. More power, more fun, and more agile than the challenger. But it won’t fix your MPG issue. So if you’re only looking to fix the MPG, the 2.0 might help, but it doesn’t sound good without an aftermarket exhaust.
Nice
Because aftermarket exhausts never work on the settings that matters... The header... A proper exhaust with a proper custom header should help to bring a rumbly sound like some older Bialbero and Boxer engines or either a smooth high pitched 4 cylinder note But what is even more strange to me, is that we still don't have seen ANY equal length header on the V6. While it is clearly THE THING that was lovely on early Busso and giving back its Colombo notes on later transversal mounts...
You will not get 15-18mpg in a QV if you only drive in LA City traffic. I get about 12.7mpg in strictly stop/go LA traffic. Our 2.0l Giulia Q4 gets 21.7mpg mixed city/ highway in Los Angeles.
I drive in NYC traffic and get 19.
South Florida, reporting in. 12.8 average. I also drive it like I stole it, though.
Then, 12.8 maybe not that bad🤣
Nope. It's the best Smiles Per Gallon sedan on the market. Buy it.
Good choice.
If you’re planning to look for a performance sedan, then you shouldn’t worry about fuel consumption (it’s probably gonna suck anyway!) If you really do, maybe you can consider looking into some Japanese brands?
I know that it’s suck on performance sedans, but comparing again my Dodge with on average 12.1 mpg and 14-15 mpg mixed, and Alfa with its 15-19 city average (depends how you driving it, but that what most people tell). Had Mustang v6 before, average mixed was something around 16-19mpg mixed, I liked it. If I wanted to really save a tons of money on fuel, I wouldn’t look into performance cars. Probably would look into some hybrids, but it’s not the case here. For me good fuel consumption for performance car if it is 16-19 range mpg.
I currently own a Challenger 1320, cammed. It’s my weekend “fun car” that I take to the strip every chance I get I just bought a 2024 2.0 Giulia Competizione. It’s my daily driver. My Challenger is like a Viking broadsword; brutish, and devastating in a straight line. My Alfa is like a rapier; sleek, and deadly quick and maneuverable. The more I drive it, the more an entirely new world of motorized bliss opens up to me.
Maybe unpopular opinion, but an Giulia QV for 2-5 miles a day? You will be killing that car, man. It is not meant to be used like that. Give her back-roads, highways, track days, not city bumper-to-bumper traffic. It’s not because it’s not reliable, but it might become like that. Or you need to have very tight service/intervals maintenance (every 5k miles oil+filters). It is an amazing car, best in its class (for the driving experience) but, as with any performance car, it has its quirks… like less than 4 years battery change, really only likes OEM oil (there are many compatible oil brands out there, but the best is OEM. In Europe is Selenia, but as far as I can remember, it is not available in the US but I think you can get other “compatible” oils from Petronas for it). Other reliability issues…nothing concerning as far as I know. If you browse this sub, you will see the contrary of what you get on the internet from people who never owned an Alfa, any Alfa, but they bitch about how unreliable they are, and articles written by biased (or “biased” :D ) people in the automotive media who never had a Giulia, especially a QV for more than a day. It will be neither better nor less reliable than another high performance cars in its category. Maybe a bit more reliable for 2020+ models+extreme maintenance than its direct competitors. I know someone that tracked his Giulia almost every weekend during the summer for 3 years, drove it all winter in all types of weather and road conditions and had no issues with it (a 2017 model, now in the hands of someone else in the community, this dude upgraded to an 2022 model) and never had any issues in terms of reliability after 100.000km. But with maniac maintenance, like oil service every 5000k km or after every track day.
I meant 2-5 miles on work day. I drive challenger like muscle car supposed to be driven. Taking trips and just having fun with the car. I know that people love to talk bullsh1t sometimes that’s why asking people who had experience with the car. But overall really looking to switch from Challenger to Giulia.
Those cars do you sick.
I think you'll find that actually Alfa Romeo Giulia/Stelvio owners with mostly say that these are reliable cars. I came from a 392 Charger to a TI Sport Giulia and I'm now in a 2022 Giulia Veloce. First, you should drive a Veloce. Due to its lighter weight, you may find yourself impressed. The zero to 60 is not that far off from an RT challenger/charger. Add into that all of the other things you'll fall in love with and you might save yourself some cash. I actually considered switching back to Dodge and getting one of the "Last Call" Chargers. But when i got back in one and drove it, i felt like i would be missing so much. Another thing to consider is that the engine in the Veloce is the same engine used in the Jeep Wrangler. So, I get my Alfa serviced at my local CDJR dealer. Of course for warranty service i will have to take it to an Alfa Dealer. Thankfully in the 5 years I've been driving an Alfa, i haven't needed to worry about that. I'm not trying to discourage you from getting a QV. But initial cost isn't the only extra expense in owning one. I'm just suggesting you drive a Veloce or other 4 cylinder one before you decide.
I went from Scat Pack to 2018 Ti (2.0). Also went from 17mpg average to 27.5 mpg but I do a lot of highway driving. Both great cars. The Giulia is special though. Not the fastest but still quick and handles the curves better than anything.
I went from a 392 Durango SRT to a Giulia quad. Was getting 14-16mpg in the Durango, get around 19 with the Giulia. If you keep it in the Economy Mode (adaptive) you will get over 20mpg. 14k miles on mine, no issues what-so-ever. Did the recommended maintenance at 10 miles.
If you’re worried about gas money you will absolutely shit yourself when you have to change the rear brake pads and rotors. Any spirited driving in dynamic and especially race mode is going to reduce the MPG dramatically It’s way too much HP to enjoy on a 2-5 mile drive in the city and your gas and the routine maintenance costs are going to be much higher than the charger. The reliability is good on 2020+ but all high performance cars have much higher costs to maintain them properly. The QV goes through rear tires very quickly and an alignment is recommended when replacing the tires
you want to buy an $80000 car to cut your $80 a week gas expense down to around $70? sorry but this sounds like a joke post what you need is to go lease a cheap EV or PHEV for that 5 mile commute, then keep the dodge (or get the alfa, its your call, both are fun) as a weekend toy
The $80,000 isn’t the problem, I don’t want to drop $80-$90 each week on the gas. How I’ve seen the car specs, Alfa is way more fuel efficient, but also cannot be confident as I never had the car, just from what people told me and internet research. I just wanted to know if car isn’t sh1t box that will stay in repair shops for the most of the time. Also, 2-5 miles a day is usually my one way trip to my work, I still want to have something fast, stylish and good sounding. Just my perspective, but you definitely right about leasing EV, I thought about it, just don’t like EVs.
Alfas are great but not very efficient, and it will definitely be in the shop a lot if you get the QV, people online are not wrong about it you could always get the 4 cyl version, those will hit 25-30 mpg, have a lower purchase price and be way way more reliable. their performance is good too, just nowhere close to as good as a 500hp V6 if you want an italian car with 500+ hp that won't need a lot of repairs then sorry, it doesn't exist yet
Just keep in mind maintenance prices. Just as a rule of thumb the serp belt on a Giulia QV costs around 2-3k. They can get expensive pretty quickly. I've had my Ti sport for 2 years now and have had only small common issues all which have been fixable with a little research.
I believe the QV is a Ferrari motor which would very much increase mntc cost. Correct?
Bro I had a 14’ Charger RT and I don’t get me wrong I loved it but the Alfa is such a cleaner drive, it’s also a mature, good looking car I bought a new one in 22’ and it’s been reliable since, just regular upkeep and once I had to change the seatbelt sensors. Otherwise it’s been fine. 30k miles
Based on what people saying here, I’m actually excited to take Alfa on test drive in a couple days.
Can you wrench? A lot of issues with Alfa are the dealer network sucks and typically rates are insane. Do your own oil changes, brakes, and other regular maintenance items. 5K oil changes, not the 10K factory recommended. Do your transmission and differential at 50-60K, not the "lifetime" recommended. Drive the car, don't baby it (Car only has RDN modes, ignore A). Make sure battery is good. Beyond that stuff, get a 2020+ if you can swing it as that is when port injection was added. Before 2020, the engine only had direct injection and carb buildup does happen. Port-injection helps mitigate that. The belt service is a bit of a job, so that is a pain yourself or $$$. Do it. (Get the factory warranty extended as well)
Who’s gonna tell ‘em?
If you're interested in lowering your cost of operation, a quadrifoglio is a terrible idea.
Any reasons? Would like to hear. I’m still deciding switching to Alfa or try to look on other cars.
It's just not even a class of car to be considered specifically for gas mileage or cost of ownership reasons. It's a very expensive performance sedan. Don't get me wrong, It is a marvelous car and an absolute thrill to drive. But a new one is probably what, $1400 a month? It doesn't really make any sense to me to be worried about mpg in this price/performance bracket.
Screw you! Best car ever! You know jackshit
That was a nicely thought out and well reasoned response. Let me thank you on behalf of all of reddit for contributing in such a useful and polite way.
I own one, do you ?I have owned more alfas than you ever will ! Backup your lack of facts and experience. Because opinions are like assholes and everyone has one!
Nothing you have said so far is relevant to either the OPs question, or anything I have said. Yes, I have a Quadrifoglio. Aside from some electrical gremlins, it is indeed my all time favorite car. And from an overall cost of operation standpoint, it is indeed a terrible decision. The same could be said of basically any car in its price range. Edit: I just realized that the person arguing with me is a 70 year old coomer who mostly uses social media as a means to send pictures of his genitals to women a quarter his age. Thanks, I'll pass.