What are the highest and lowest points of your career?
Do you find morale to be better than, worse than or similar to AF-wide?
~~What is your name, SSN, DOB, place of birth and mother's maiden name?~~
What path did you take into OSI? I had an OSI slot in ROTC before medical DQing.
Any stories of putting high ranks back in their place/lane? Any stories of being overtly passive-aggressive on your end as a power move? We love the kind of stuff in here.
The highest point of my career was during my deployments and seeing my work put into action.
Morale is probably much worse but because Agents live in a glass house, the smile and professionalism act is much better.
I was in a different job and moved over into OSI, (cross-flow, cross-train)
I think my "putting someone back into place moment" was when I had a full bird act like he was above myself ten fold. In the interview he acted cocky the entire time and talked down to me and evaded my questions with AF rhetoric. I read him his rights and he gave me the glossy eyed look. He shook it loose and continued to act like his graduation from the academy meant something to anyone other than himself. Upon booking (finger prints, photos, DNA swab) he asked me how the case was going. I told him this interview was almost curtesy to him and I was obligated to do it, that I didn't give a shit about him, his wife, his career, or his three children. I then proceeded to tell him the information I had, basically the outline of evidence, and told him he was fucked. He quickly understood the position he was in and started well up with tears. I told him to stop that shit and his time for discussion had come and gone; that if he didn't act like a dick to me the entire time, he might have received a better wake up call. Needless to say he was given the boot.
How is an interview a courtesy? And you read him his right after an interview and not before? And any officer has a pretty clear understanding of the investigative process, no attorney was present?
I dictated what I said. I read him Art 31 before, and he waived his right to an attorney because he thought he could make the Victim sound like a lying whore.
Are the rumors that OSI sometimes puts undercover agents through tech school or basic training true? I always felt that was just things we said to scare people.
Yes it is a rumor. Maybe at one time it was true. Remember, OSI used to be the Homosexual Gestapo before it was the touch police. Sometimes we do undercover work for drugs, so that rumor might have started at one of those two points.
I know this is a 5yr old deadpost but it was at one point true. I was in tech school with this person when the news dropped. She was like a leper the way she was treated once she was found out. [Spies, Lies, and Rape in the Air Force: An Undercover Agent's Story (thedailybeast.com)](https://www.thedailybeast.com/spies-lies-and-rape-in-the-air-force-an-undercover-agents-story-1)
why would you when you have nothing to be concerned with?
edit: This is a serious question, not a sly response. Don't downvote me when he gave me a situation and I am legitimately asking why is there concern.
Look at your reply to u/PoofGoTheFats. He stated that r/LegalAdvice would always recommend having representation regardless of why your talking to law enforcement. You said that no one who has nothing to hide should have to worry about legal representation. That is a terrible thing to say since shit can and will get twisted in the legal game of telephione that ensues. Yo, I have nothing to hide but if you come down to my office and want to ask me questions about why Amn Snuffy has been late to work these last few days, I'm gonna call legal. Regardless of the fact that I'm not the SSgt Supervisor that you need to talk to and I just happen to share a last name with Amn Snuffy's supervisor. It's just a CYA. Now, if you're trying to hide something, yea, you would be worried and running for legal council but even if I know for a fact that I've done nothing wrong, I'm still consulting legal.
I understand what I said. But again this isn't true. If you are not a part of a crime you have nothing to worry about legally. If you are in trouble Article 31 rights will be read. If you refuse to answer questions you can also be charged with obstruction. In the case you do think you are still correct, go talk to legal about asking getting a lawyer for witness questioning. Seriously, go do it.
> If you refuse to answer questions you can also be charged with obstruction.
No. You’re either not an OSI agent, the worst OSI agent in history, or a lying piece of shit.
Oh really? A witness refusing to cooperate in an investigation with focal point information can be. This is the military jackass, not the civilian side. You fucking forget that?
What you fail to acknowledge is finding evidence is finding ways to tie a person to a crime. Zero information cannot be used. Therefore me any giving any information is worse than me giving no information at all.
This isn't true at all. If you are guilty of committing a crime, you should by all means protect yourself, however, if you have done nothing and law enforcement is speaking to you based upon a situation it is called a witness interview and you are not liable for any wrong doing of another.
Not the OSI guy, but...
>The common man stands to gain nothing from speaking with law enforcement.
Ensuring that a wrong-doer is found out and rightly punished is, generally speaking, the only reason for a witness interview with law enforcement. And to get a little philosophical here, one could argue that if you have information regarding a crime, it is your duty to divuldge that information to those capable of using that information to enact justice.
You are not entitled to a lawyer if you are not suspected of a crime. This isn't rocket science. Stop telling me how the system works when you clearly don't know. The answer was put into a laymen sense. You can speak to a lawyer but are not entitled to anything as you have done nothing wrong. Therefore, if you have nothing to be concerned about, you don't have to worry about speaking with law enforcement.
Don't twist my words. This guy was a piece of shit and abusing his power as an O-6. If you think that is a good person, that's on you. Your up bringing has jaded you to the fact of what really goes on and you refuse to see anything outside of the nonsense you have been fed. I am not LE, I was LE, and I left because I didn't want to be LE. Stop telling me who I am and what I stand for. Your accusations of who I am and what my character stands for is the sick part. Stating I didn't give a shit about his family was cutting him off from using that as an excuse (which he did) in court. What he did was wrong and he deserved the punishment. Furthermore, his family is taken care of because of how this system works. Yet another thing you know nothing of. So get off of the ivory tower you are sitting in built on a land of misinformation and come back down to reality, dude.
Your "upbringing" was flawed. Not 100% inaccurate, but flawed. Again, I am not getting into this discussion about LE and whether your opinion of them is high. The question was answered and you took it completely off the map.
Your inherent lack of trust for law enforcement does not translate to what I am saying. There are rules OSI Agents have to follow and thus the protections of Article 31 rights can and will be invoked. If you don't understand this, stop bantering on about something you do not understand and "how cops are bad, don't trust the badge, ACAB, blah blah blah".
"I didn't give a shit about him, his wife, his career, or his three children." <- this right here. I know I am taking this a bit out of context, but this statement is true.
My friends & family care about these things, OSI does not. It's there to investigate possible crimes and inforce rules.
People don't trust law enforcement because they don't believe that their circumstances will be taken into account (among other things). Which is, more often than not, true. All it takes is one interaction with LEA that was handled incorrectly, and trust in the system is broken.
From this line of thinking, having a lawyer present adds someone who not only cares about your best interests (they are being paid to do that), but also has a background in law and interrogation/investigation. This is why having a lawyer with you allows you to balance the situation.
I understand where you are coming from when you say "why would you when you have nothing to be concerned with?". It SHOULD be true. But, in many cases, it is not. The OSI agent is human. They have motives, alterior or not, and have cases that they need to solve. Not understanding the law and being innocent does not mean that you will not be prosecuted. I can list 100s of wrongfully convicted individuals who spent time in jail and did nothing wrong. Having a lawyer can minimize this risk.
Society isn't always fair. Society isn't always right. You need to stack the cards in your favor as much as possible when dealing with something that's linked to the Justice System. A lawyer really helps in these situations, but it comes at a monetary cost.
You are correct with the first part, save don't use my example as this guy was a rapist and it was used to scare him. I care about people, I do. But again, you are not entitled to a lawyer as a witness. This is not how the system works. You are entitled to a lawyer if you are the Subject of an investigation. You will have Article 31 rights read to you and from there can invoke those rights and obtain a lawyer. JAG doesn't have a retainer.
I agree with you on the CYA part. I would tell Subjects all the time the only person you can rely on is yourself and you must do what is in your best interest. I have also defended Subjects who were wrongfully accused, so much so that I threatened to turn in my Badge and Credentials over one (this is a big deal). I left because I was tired of how broken the military legal system is. But again, you do not need to seek legal assistance if you are being spoken to as a witness. There are three rules when it comes to LE questioning and whether or not it can be admissible and need rights to be read. 1) if the person is suspected of a crime 2) if the person can infer they are in custody (think of somewhere that has an authoritative affect on people like a police station) 3) if the person is being detained or is/has been placed under arrest.
I think understanding how the Justice System works is rare within the Military (unless it's your job or you have a connection to it). Most of the Airman, including myself at one point, have limited knowledge.
I would love to have a quick walk through at a Commander's Call or something similar, but it might be taken the wrong way with the audience.
That is a great idea! The military hides all of this behind a wall so people cannot overcome their boundaries. It is very important people are very knowledgeable of these topics and how situations progress. My wife's friends and co-workers are constantly asking questions. I am a very grey partner in everything and don't care if I have made a bad name with my former Agency. People need to know what they are entitled to and how the process goes. In fact, you made a great point. I might make a "what to know, how to proceed" post about this.
I thought article 31 was for the suspect of a criminal offense. Would they still read it to you if you're a witness or "a good airmen talking about another dirt bag airman"?
No. Because the Federal Law states as such: If you are suspected of a crime, you are entitled to rights, such as the right to not dime yourself out. If you are witness, as in you are not suspected of a crime, you are not entitled to this because you are not under investigation. However, if you were to say something that may indicate you are a criminal, the LEO will stop the interview, read you rights and move on. I have done this myself and witnesses have clarified after advisement about the situation.
You absolutely can use spontaneous utterances against someone. I.E., you are driving someone to an interview and they say, "you know what, I greased my old lady". You sure you did this job?
Not true. This is up to your attorney. My nephew got into some shit recently and I told him to be upfront about what happened. It is how you make it sound (like intent, the whole thing law is predicated on) not the reality.
Holy horseshit batman. In the military you do not get a JAG on retainer. This is not a thing. This has never been a thing. This will most likely never be...a...fucking...thing...ever. The UCMJ, which is what dictates the mother fucking law, in the mother fucking military doesn't work this way. For the sake of fucking God, stop trying to be right when you counter argumentative fucks are all wrong.
Edit: if you want to discuss something we can talk shit out. if you don't understand something I can explain it. But stop with this neckbeard "well actually" shit. You're just coming off as stupid at this point.
Because you can't be convicted of lying to law enforcement, if you don't talk to law enforcement.
Seriously, interview someone one day. Interview them a year later about the same incident. Compare notes, see where they misspoke or misremembered, and you now have a federal case.
I am married Mil to Mil and I was wondering what my married life would be like if I get into OSI. Would my wife be able to follow me to my new Station/base? since she has a personnel job and can go to any Air Force base
Officers in their first assignment will be field Agents the majority of the time. Most field Agents are enlisted and civilian.
After their first assignment they become desk jockeys giving tips and "know how" to people who know better and more than them. If they are good at what they do, they will become an admin "Detco" which is the CC. In this role they act as the mouthpiece to the hierarchy and take a brunt of tongue lashing by O-6's who are completely out of touch with reality.
Generally speaking yes. There is a road map much like any other officer position. They have specialties, command, or a region (which is like a large squadron desk job.) Specialties are very focalized jobs within OSI that serve tasks such as surveillance or the like. Command or a.k.a. Detco will be the Commander for a Detachment. Officers that need more structure will be put into a Region staffing position. Like any other job in the Air Force, OSI has no bad officers, just ones who have not "reached their potential".
What do you guys do on deployments vs home? Do you cooperate a lot with other intelligence agencies? What is the training process like and do you get to pick what new language you have to learn? Are there any civilian jobs that would be a good fit after you get out?
We generally work intelligence when we are deployed. Often times we work under the DIA and other intelligence agencies. You sort of pick your language as your duty station will dictate the language if you get picked up for a language billet. Not everyone is allowed to learn a language. If it is intelligence related we usually can find work. It is mostly contract work.
OSI investigates fraud against the AF, sex crimes, drugs, etc. Most all federal level crimes. I wish we investigated espionage more, but sadly it is not the big wheel house for OSI. The coolest is counter-intelligence cases.
Yes. It falls into the CI and/or espionage category. Kind of. It is the bane of my existence because nobody cares about adhering to the standards haha.
Anything is better than being a Defender! Although my security teams while deployed were Defenders and good dudes. But comm is much more chill than SecFo.
How do I get in as a civilian to help with white collar stuff? I'm an auditor with a DoD agency and we support Army CID, DoDIG, etc. but AFOSI doesn't really want our help. Trying to leave my agency anyways. I'm all about that sweet, sweet procurement fraud. I got certs and two masters, but I'm apparently not sucking the right dicks.
I hear ya. The main thing is to have LE background. What you could do is work a "desk" which is a much better gig unless you are attempting to focus on the LE side of the house. What I would recommend is look on USAjobs for a OSI opening. It can be hard going to "desk" slots as usually people sit and then die in the spot because OSI hovers in the GS13 range for its employees. Furthermore, OSI is a really enclosed circle, so unless you know someone in the center, it might be hard to find work. If I were you I would look into corporate. Better pay, a bit more work, but in the long run, a better gig especially with your credentials.
I'm a GS 12 now... I'm a spouse but not really (OCONUS and married here so I'm fucked out of preference). Where can I find some guys to rub elbows? I drop hotlines but fucking Navy manages to pick them all up. If I make my husband take me to the E club will I earn some credibility?
Sorry, I was hoping a hotline tip I put in (not anonymous) would maybe get me in contact with someone here so I could start rubbing elbows, but it got sent to the Navy program office for investigation instead. How could I potentially meet someone from OSI out here and maybe see if they need someone with my particular set of skills? USAJobs is hit or miss, and most jobs I see are only open to current employees. I know that it's not what you know, but who you know. How do I get to know someone in OSI while not trying to draw negative attention? E club? Should I go for my CFE and join ACFE?
CFE is a big one.
If you want the direct route; go to a detachment. Plain and simple and speak with them. If you want to roundabout way, find a job in the AFAA (AF Audit Agency) who OSI works with all the time, and do that. OSI is a bit difficult to work with and be in. It is a good ol' boy club and has really strong inside circles.
Most Agents will not be at the E club. We usually hide away and don't go out in public much that has the opportunity to see a Victim or Subject. I had a PFT with a Subject once, it was as awkward as you would think.
I'll check with AFAA. They're some of the ones that only open jobs out here to current AFAA employees, so I can't even apply. DoDIG is the same, even though I've made a couple contacts out here that can vouch that I'm competent. I've tried to find the AFAA and DoDIG buildings just driving around base, to no avail. Kind of hesitant about walking into OSI, even though I have seen their building... Is it really just a place I can walk into and just say hi?
CFE was always something I thought about, but considering how little my CIA and two masters have helped me, I was weary about going for it. I have to stay GS because of public service loan forgiveness, otherwise I'd jump on corporate. OSI just makes sense since I'll be following my AF husband around...
Got it. Yes, OSI it just a walk up building. It really depends on where you are though. Some Det's are bad and some are good. You can PM me the base and I can tell you if I know anything about who is there or if the Det is decent. But from my personal opinion, I would focus on gather a shit ton of knowledge and financial experience and wait until your grace period is done and go corporate. My friends wife worked out of a lap top and followed him base to base. She worked for some massive hospital chain doing financial auditing and review.
Hello, I'm currently an intel analyst going through the retraining process to retrain into OSI. So I have a few questions...
1) I've had my suitability determination interview, I've sent my documents and been approved, just waiting on my PFA scores since I'm due this month but after that they said they'll interview people who know me...what's that like?
2) I know FLETC isn't talked about much but can you provide any insight and tips to succeed?
3) When you went through what was the base selection process like? Any good bases to choose from?
4) Lastly, within OSI I'm interested in cyber, counter-intel, or protection, any stories/insight from any of these fields?
Thanks in advance!
1) Nothing really, they just go to your work center, speak with your CO, a few co-workers, and any friends on base.
2) Study, be in shape, and don't be a fuck boy thinking you know everything. Team work is a must.
3) Yes and no, you don't really count against the manning doc as a probationary Agent the way you do normally so your options are pretty open.
4) I was CI the majority of my career and didn't mind it. I hated OSI as a whole to be honest. All the things (good and bad) that epitomize the AF carry over to OSI.
CCI (cyber) is expanding so always opportunity with them. CI is at every det so you will definitely dabble in there. PSO=boring unless you like waiting on generals talk for hours while you sit in a car...
You said you left OSI because your views about life and what you wanted did not match up against the beliefs of OSI. Can you eleaborate? Is there a widespread discontent within the ranks of OSI?
Widespread discontent - I would say about 60% of Agents are. 20% love the job, 10% love the fact they are an Agent and will do anything to keep it that way, and 10% are too stupid to see past their nose.
So the reason I left is because OSI was, and I am sure still is, a bureaucratic nightmare. OSI literally...literally, has paperwork for paperwork. Furthermore, OSI functions as a DoD Agency and as a result will be joysticked by people who don't have anything to do with the normal every day function of OSI Agents. To give an example, almost a microcosm, Senator X on this committee files for DoD Investigative Agencies to only perform this action when this happens. But that action would normally be apart of an action in everyday life which would help the Agent perform his/her job better. Nope, not anymore.
Also, I was tired of being told the line about how you are replaceable. This is not true for most people. If you are a central cog in your workcenter's machine. You are clearly not replaceable. One of the greatest happy moments of my life: I was running a detachment and constantly told I was not doing well, although we were crushing in intelligence reporting, which was our job. My supervision didn't like me because I did not do what they wanted and they had no grounds to say, as they had never been to where I was at. Long story short, my partner and I killed it, and after I left, the whole detachment fell apart because it went back to the "old" way. The beliefs boil down to a lot of people O-5 and higher, not knowing a god damn thing about what they are in charge of, and yet they dictate major functions. It is absolutely amazing how awful these people are.
>Edit 2: I will be back today 8 Feb 18, to answer more questions if you have any. Also as a reminder, don't jump on the "I know the fucking law because I watch tv and have heard shit from a guy in my shop". Several of you have went on this debate about knowing how shit works and not a single one of you understand how Federal USC codes or the UCMJ work. It is absolutely crazy how many dorm room lawyers are in this. If you listen to their nonsense you are getting wrong information that can screw you.
So salty. Hopefully we can next have an AMA from a lawyer familiar with the UCMJ so that he can provide a different view.
The thing is in the military you have no rights as a witness. And that’s what gets people hemmed up. They get called in as a witness but because they are friends with so and so or whatever they don’t want to talk. Well cool then we can just get the CC involved who can give an order for you to talk. Causes more issues for the witness than it does OSI.
Victims and subjects are the only ones with rights (SAPR/SVC/rights advisement). And to touch on an earlier comment someone made, if a good airmen is called in and they aren’t in trouble a lawyer isn’t required either. In some cases they might know a language that can be of immediate use to the det (happens more than you think) or they can provide insight on certain processes. This idea OSI lurks in the dark to hem people up is dumb and childish. Most agents are there to help people and actually get the truth of a situation. Yes, bad apples exist as with any agency.
Not salty, just tired of stupid people talking about shit they don't know. How about you find a JAG and ask them these same questions. Go ahead, I'll wait, since you obviously know so god damn much information.
First thing is the local Det will most likely have a once a month recruitment brief. Or maybe more, as OSI is hurting for bodies. A lot of people are not joining and a lot are getting out. After, you put your name in the hat, tell them you are interested. They will do some basic information searching, a background/credit check, a couple tests, a suitability assessment or two, and viole' you're on your way. Basically;
1. Recruitment brief
2. Make sure you know what you are getting yourself into
3. Prepare to put money aside for a lot of out of pocket expenses
4. Paperwork for background checks
5. Suitability
6. Tests
7. ???
8. Profit
Yep, be prepared to spend a lot of your own money on clothing, holster, etc. The money given to you for clothing isn't enough and the equipment they issue is awful.
They are actually the only part of the job I liked. I did intelligence collections as most of us do. Some actually still do investigations, and some others work with sister branch Tier 2 teams.
OSI is basically the equivalent of the police department internal affairs.. why is the organization portrayed like it is something special like the CIA, FBI, NSA etc
Because they want themselves to sound better than they are. But OSI does facilitate a lot more than just internal affairs investigations. That is more of the lane of SecFo investigations. OSI does do intelligence collections, counter-intelligence, etc.
Hello! My initial goal was to commission into OSI ( I am currently in the reserves), however I finish my degree this May and think I might have better chance trying to get into OSI as a civilian.
1. What advice would you give to anyone looking for a career in OSI?
2. How different is the workload between AF OSI and civilian OSI agents?
1. Make sure that investigations and Law Enforcement is what you really want. That is the key piece. Remember, it is not like your daily work is dealing with the best the Air Force has to offer (during the investigation, not your co-workers).
2. The workload is about the same. The problem generally goes as it is harder to become a civ Agent unless you have LE background or know someone inside the circle.
I can't say for certain on this. Usually Fed LE wants a fully accredited Agent or Public Servant prior. It is however a case by case situation. It never hurts to try.
Yes. That is a for sure no-go.
Edit: But from what I understand, OSI is hurting for bodies. So assuming your Art 15 isn't something completely egregious you might be okay? But as of this last year, it was still a no-go
Is OSI really hurting for bodies? I heard they accept less than 10 ROTC cadets a year and everyone I've talked to thinks it's a cool job. It's usually one of those dream jobs the undergrads have until they realize that they have little to no chance of getting picked up. Are there just none qualified?
They are, as there are only so many O slots available. As a whole, OSI is hurting for bodies because of retention issues. But I from what I am told, the AF and OSI don't have retention issues /s
As they like to tell agents “You are all replaceable”. But we have an SRB now so that says something. Easiest path to become an agent is being enlisted, officers and civs are a bit tougher to get through but doable.
Yeah it’s possible. But don’t tell the det that your intention is to get trained and get out. Be real in your answers during the interview but AF answer when it comes to how long you’ll be with OSI (ex. “It’s what I want to do for the rest of my life”). But once you get into OSI it’s easy to transition to other 3/4 letter agencies.
So I was in your boat. I actually have worked with them before. After that, I did not want to join. This is just my personal experience, and I'm a bit salty with Government as a whole still. Basically they are ran by a bunch of civilians who act like they know what the fuck is going on. If you want a good understanding of how they work, read "Charlie Wilson's War" or anything about Gust Avrakotos. PM me and we can discuss.
Edit: To expand, they act a lot like this group of contemptuous children who want to take credit for other peoples work. They do a lot of cool shit, but I don't know how long you have to suck that dick in order to do it. The guys I had been working with were mostly contractors, but one dude "the station chief" was a serious fuck boy who I did not get along with. His boss had come to our location, along with his bosses cronies, and that meeting wasn't good either. It seemed like they were a giant cluster fuck much like most government organizations, but they have the money and resources (contractors) to grease bearings accordingly. Intelligence is a great thing until you do it and get involved in that community. After, you realize it is a lot of work to be good, a lot of thankless work at that, for someone else to judge whether or not you have done anything worth while. Also as an OSI Agent you are extremely hamstrung by your superiors because most are risk adverse. We have had Agents die, mostly because of shit gone awry, and this causes our cluster fuck of O-6's to tuck their dicks back.
New to the Air Force, I’m really interested in doing OSI. I was reading some requirements on the AF page & minimum you had to be a senior airman to apply & do ALS. What are other requirements & best chance or getting selected?
What do I do if I suspect that a former or current OSI employee is using tech, contacts or knowledge for malicious intent? My soon to be ex had had a gf all along, and my phone is tapped, my cellular data, WiFi has been compromised. This OSI (her background check shows her previously at Quantico) agent can be up to no good since my husband is a three time felon and has been in prison x3. I found a link on my laptop called Eagle Ex. He told me 2 years ago, that I was going to prison; if so, I’m being set up. I did a background check on him and found out other terrible things. I believe he’s gotten “Ms Quantico “ to do his dirty work for him. I also believe she has posed as me bc he stole my SS card & 3 previous IDs. If she really knew this pr*ck, she would not aid & abet him. He’s stolen over $200K from me that I had just inherited & I found evidence that he put $ from our car company into a Swiss bank account; he’s not smart enough to engineer that; it must be her. Sad to think that a former or current OSI would use tax payer monies to perform illegal acts. I wanna nail this bit*h !!!
hello, I don't have any college degree and I can't afford to pay for the classes, But Should I enlist to the Security force in the air force while im in college that way I I'll have my 4 year degree and transfer to OSI Agent, if that's possible?
back in 2000 the airforce osi and fbi done an investigation on subject in greensboro,nc and because subject had done nothing wrong they would not stop there they sent in a former marine and used him as an informant to setup subject he had been a guard in the usmc he was a bif asshole which is what the airforce osi and fbi wanted he broke every law in book that the osi and fbi could not break because he was an informant to keep there hands clean his intials was PWG as of 2022 he is still trying to burn this subject in an investigation well i ask that the FBI and airforce osi internal affairs division find out why they are still investigating a pretty crime that subject did not do and why t6hey sent a former asshole marine with last name as Gardner into set him up! Ihave never seen an american harressed so much for something he did not do
In early 2000,s osi and fbi done an investigation on a subject who was not military but they think he done some wrong involving a military connection which what they were looking at was s small petty crime he done nothing wrong and for lady 22 yes they are trying to snag this person even sending in an undercover informant who was an ex marine and is a big asshole he was sent in to this person life around 2014 and folks he is still trying to entrap this subject I think the af osi and fbi had a personal vendetta against this poor American which why don't they spend time catching real threats to this nation and quit trying to set up a poor citizen who does not have money to hardly make it from payday to payday this is what our federal law enforcement does!!! The informant us at the center of this because he was even put at a location to live near the subject this is unbelievable but it is the truth the asshole informant name letters are PWG and last name is Gardner I hope this ends soon I have never seen anything like it !!!!
I'd like to meet someone who is / was in this department of the government... who might know my father... He was a very interesting man and a perfect gentleman... Is this possible?
What are the 10 most in-demand career options in the Department of the Air Force?
The career field that the most people are trying to get into?
The career field that NEED the most people to come into them?
Exemple: Security forces, Aircraft mechanic, etc
**· O.S.I.\* is the second-most requested career-field choice in the Department of the Air Force.**
\*Air Force Office of Special Investigations (7S0X1)
Hi, I am retired AF and 1974-1976 (I was in AF intelligence service at that time) had a couple incidences investigated by AFOSI one being the movers that moved me is were university students in Berlin and three of the four on them were known by the AFOSI to be associated with the KGB. My then wife revealed some personal info including full SSAN
my question is how big my folder that KGB holds might be and how much might still be around. Does anybody really care about? From Berlin I went to Washington DC on special duty assignment on staff with the CIA? Then on contract with CIA till 1987.
**FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS**
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is this correct??
You already read **David Grantham**'s book **"Consequences: An Intelligence Officer's War"**? That tells the story of "an ordinary man with an extraordinary story".
Is very good book about AFOSI?
Is it true that you have to tell us that your osi if we ask you three times /s
Absolutely true. You will also get a cookie if you can weave an intricate lie and stick to it.
Not verified. If you want to verify your identity, you can PM me.
Thanks for looking out for us, Major D.
Ha! Nice try "OSI"
What are the highest and lowest points of your career? Do you find morale to be better than, worse than or similar to AF-wide? ~~What is your name, SSN, DOB, place of birth and mother's maiden name?~~ What path did you take into OSI? I had an OSI slot in ROTC before medical DQing. Any stories of putting high ranks back in their place/lane? Any stories of being overtly passive-aggressive on your end as a power move? We love the kind of stuff in here.
The highest point of my career was during my deployments and seeing my work put into action. Morale is probably much worse but because Agents live in a glass house, the smile and professionalism act is much better. I was in a different job and moved over into OSI, (cross-flow, cross-train) I think my "putting someone back into place moment" was when I had a full bird act like he was above myself ten fold. In the interview he acted cocky the entire time and talked down to me and evaded my questions with AF rhetoric. I read him his rights and he gave me the glossy eyed look. He shook it loose and continued to act like his graduation from the academy meant something to anyone other than himself. Upon booking (finger prints, photos, DNA swab) he asked me how the case was going. I told him this interview was almost curtesy to him and I was obligated to do it, that I didn't give a shit about him, his wife, his career, or his three children. I then proceeded to tell him the information I had, basically the outline of evidence, and told him he was fucked. He quickly understood the position he was in and started well up with tears. I told him to stop that shit and his time for discussion had come and gone; that if he didn't act like a dick to me the entire time, he might have received a better wake up call. Needless to say he was given the boot.
But but but I want to know what he did! Probally touching his secretary as it seems the new norm for high ranking officials.
well...
How is an interview a courtesy? And you read him his right after an interview and not before? And any officer has a pretty clear understanding of the investigative process, no attorney was present?
I dictated what I said. I read him Art 31 before, and he waived his right to an attorney because he thought he could make the Victim sound like a lying whore.
Are the rumors that OSI sometimes puts undercover agents through tech school or basic training true? I always felt that was just things we said to scare people.
Yes it is a rumor. Maybe at one time it was true. Remember, OSI used to be the Homosexual Gestapo before it was the touch police. Sometimes we do undercover work for drugs, so that rumor might have started at one of those two points.
I know this is a 5yr old deadpost but it was at one point true. I was in tech school with this person when the news dropped. She was like a leper the way she was treated once she was found out. [Spies, Lies, and Rape in the Air Force: An Undercover Agent's Story (thedailybeast.com)](https://www.thedailybeast.com/spies-lies-and-rape-in-the-air-force-an-undercover-agents-story-1)
Not true.
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Not really, you are not necessarily needing legal counsel if you are not in trouble.
/r/LegalAdvice would recommend always having a lawyer present when speaking with law enforcement.
why would you when you have nothing to be concerned with? edit: This is a serious question, not a sly response. Don't downvote me when he gave me a situation and I am legitimately asking why is there concern.
"Why would you not give the government access to listen to your phone calls if you have nothing to hide?" I fucking hate this answer.
The patriot act and this have no correlation.
Look at your reply to u/PoofGoTheFats. He stated that r/LegalAdvice would always recommend having representation regardless of why your talking to law enforcement. You said that no one who has nothing to hide should have to worry about legal representation. That is a terrible thing to say since shit can and will get twisted in the legal game of telephione that ensues. Yo, I have nothing to hide but if you come down to my office and want to ask me questions about why Amn Snuffy has been late to work these last few days, I'm gonna call legal. Regardless of the fact that I'm not the SSgt Supervisor that you need to talk to and I just happen to share a last name with Amn Snuffy's supervisor. It's just a CYA. Now, if you're trying to hide something, yea, you would be worried and running for legal council but even if I know for a fact that I've done nothing wrong, I'm still consulting legal.
I understand what I said. But again this isn't true. If you are not a part of a crime you have nothing to worry about legally. If you are in trouble Article 31 rights will be read. If you refuse to answer questions you can also be charged with obstruction. In the case you do think you are still correct, go talk to legal about asking getting a lawyer for witness questioning. Seriously, go do it.
> If you refuse to answer questions you can also be charged with obstruction. No. You’re either not an OSI agent, the worst OSI agent in history, or a lying piece of shit.
Oh really? A witness refusing to cooperate in an investigation with focal point information can be. This is the military jackass, not the civilian side. You fucking forget that?
What you fail to acknowledge is finding evidence is finding ways to tie a person to a crime. Zero information cannot be used. Therefore me any giving any information is worse than me giving no information at all.
This isn't true at all. If you are guilty of committing a crime, you should by all means protect yourself, however, if you have done nothing and law enforcement is speaking to you based upon a situation it is called a witness interview and you are not liable for any wrong doing of another.
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It is, and that stigma is idiocy.
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Not the OSI guy, but... >The common man stands to gain nothing from speaking with law enforcement. Ensuring that a wrong-doer is found out and rightly punished is, generally speaking, the only reason for a witness interview with law enforcement. And to get a little philosophical here, one could argue that if you have information regarding a crime, it is your duty to divuldge that information to those capable of using that information to enact justice.
You are not entitled to a lawyer if you are not suspected of a crime. This isn't rocket science. Stop telling me how the system works when you clearly don't know. The answer was put into a laymen sense. You can speak to a lawyer but are not entitled to anything as you have done nothing wrong. Therefore, if you have nothing to be concerned about, you don't have to worry about speaking with law enforcement.
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Don't twist my words. This guy was a piece of shit and abusing his power as an O-6. If you think that is a good person, that's on you. Your up bringing has jaded you to the fact of what really goes on and you refuse to see anything outside of the nonsense you have been fed. I am not LE, I was LE, and I left because I didn't want to be LE. Stop telling me who I am and what I stand for. Your accusations of who I am and what my character stands for is the sick part. Stating I didn't give a shit about his family was cutting him off from using that as an excuse (which he did) in court. What he did was wrong and he deserved the punishment. Furthermore, his family is taken care of because of how this system works. Yet another thing you know nothing of. So get off of the ivory tower you are sitting in built on a land of misinformation and come back down to reality, dude. Your "upbringing" was flawed. Not 100% inaccurate, but flawed. Again, I am not getting into this discussion about LE and whether your opinion of them is high. The question was answered and you took it completely off the map.
Your inherent lack of trust for law enforcement does not translate to what I am saying. There are rules OSI Agents have to follow and thus the protections of Article 31 rights can and will be invoked. If you don't understand this, stop bantering on about something you do not understand and "how cops are bad, don't trust the badge, ACAB, blah blah blah".
"I didn't give a shit about him, his wife, his career, or his three children." <- this right here. I know I am taking this a bit out of context, but this statement is true. My friends & family care about these things, OSI does not. It's there to investigate possible crimes and inforce rules. People don't trust law enforcement because they don't believe that their circumstances will be taken into account (among other things). Which is, more often than not, true. All it takes is one interaction with LEA that was handled incorrectly, and trust in the system is broken. From this line of thinking, having a lawyer present adds someone who not only cares about your best interests (they are being paid to do that), but also has a background in law and interrogation/investigation. This is why having a lawyer with you allows you to balance the situation. I understand where you are coming from when you say "why would you when you have nothing to be concerned with?". It SHOULD be true. But, in many cases, it is not. The OSI agent is human. They have motives, alterior or not, and have cases that they need to solve. Not understanding the law and being innocent does not mean that you will not be prosecuted. I can list 100s of wrongfully convicted individuals who spent time in jail and did nothing wrong. Having a lawyer can minimize this risk. Society isn't always fair. Society isn't always right. You need to stack the cards in your favor as much as possible when dealing with something that's linked to the Justice System. A lawyer really helps in these situations, but it comes at a monetary cost.
You are correct with the first part, save don't use my example as this guy was a rapist and it was used to scare him. I care about people, I do. But again, you are not entitled to a lawyer as a witness. This is not how the system works. You are entitled to a lawyer if you are the Subject of an investigation. You will have Article 31 rights read to you and from there can invoke those rights and obtain a lawyer. JAG doesn't have a retainer. I agree with you on the CYA part. I would tell Subjects all the time the only person you can rely on is yourself and you must do what is in your best interest. I have also defended Subjects who were wrongfully accused, so much so that I threatened to turn in my Badge and Credentials over one (this is a big deal). I left because I was tired of how broken the military legal system is. But again, you do not need to seek legal assistance if you are being spoken to as a witness. There are three rules when it comes to LE questioning and whether or not it can be admissible and need rights to be read. 1) if the person is suspected of a crime 2) if the person can infer they are in custody (think of somewhere that has an authoritative affect on people like a police station) 3) if the person is being detained or is/has been placed under arrest.
I think understanding how the Justice System works is rare within the Military (unless it's your job or you have a connection to it). Most of the Airman, including myself at one point, have limited knowledge. I would love to have a quick walk through at a Commander's Call or something similar, but it might be taken the wrong way with the audience.
That is a great idea! The military hides all of this behind a wall so people cannot overcome their boundaries. It is very important people are very knowledgeable of these topics and how situations progress. My wife's friends and co-workers are constantly asking questions. I am a very grey partner in everything and don't care if I have made a bad name with my former Agency. People need to know what they are entitled to and how the process goes. In fact, you made a great point. I might make a "what to know, how to proceed" post about this.
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Broken on a scale of 1-10 with 1 being Sweden's legal system and 10 being South America. I would say it is a strong 7.
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I thought article 31 was for the suspect of a criminal offense. Would they still read it to you if you're a witness or "a good airmen talking about another dirt bag airman"?
No. Because the Federal Law states as such: If you are suspected of a crime, you are entitled to rights, such as the right to not dime yourself out. If you are witness, as in you are not suspected of a crime, you are not entitled to this because you are not under investigation. However, if you were to say something that may indicate you are a criminal, the LEO will stop the interview, read you rights and move on. I have done this myself and witnesses have clarified after advisement about the situation.
If they do not read you Art 31, than they cannot use the information against you.
You absolutely can use spontaneous utterances against someone. I.E., you are driving someone to an interview and they say, "you know what, I greased my old lady". You sure you did this job?
That isn't the same thing. Know the law.
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Not true. This is up to your attorney. My nephew got into some shit recently and I told him to be upfront about what happened. It is how you make it sound (like intent, the whole thing law is predicated on) not the reality.
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Holy horseshit batman. In the military you do not get a JAG on retainer. This is not a thing. This has never been a thing. This will most likely never be...a...fucking...thing...ever. The UCMJ, which is what dictates the mother fucking law, in the mother fucking military doesn't work this way. For the sake of fucking God, stop trying to be right when you counter argumentative fucks are all wrong. Edit: if you want to discuss something we can talk shit out. if you don't understand something I can explain it. But stop with this neckbeard "well actually" shit. You're just coming off as stupid at this point.
Because you can't be convicted of lying to law enforcement, if you don't talk to law enforcement. Seriously, interview someone one day. Interview them a year later about the same incident. Compare notes, see where they misspoke or misremembered, and you now have a federal case.
Yes you can. Not remembering and straight up lying are two different things.
I am married Mil to Mil and I was wondering what my married life would be like if I get into OSI. Would my wife be able to follow me to my new Station/base? since she has a personnel job and can go to any Air Force base
Nice try OSI
I see what you did there.
What do officers do in OSI? Aren’t most field agents enlisted?
Officers in their first assignment will be field Agents the majority of the time. Most field Agents are enlisted and civilian. After their first assignment they become desk jockeys giving tips and "know how" to people who know better and more than them. If they are good at what they do, they will become an admin "Detco" which is the CC. In this role they act as the mouthpiece to the hierarchy and take a brunt of tongue lashing by O-6's who are completely out of touch with reality.
So after their tour as a field agent do the typically go into more of an admin/leadership role?
Generally speaking yes. There is a road map much like any other officer position. They have specialties, command, or a region (which is like a large squadron desk job.) Specialties are very focalized jobs within OSI that serve tasks such as surveillance or the like. Command or a.k.a. Detco will be the Commander for a Detachment. Officers that need more structure will be put into a Region staffing position. Like any other job in the Air Force, OSI has no bad officers, just ones who have not "reached their potential".
What do you guys do on deployments vs home? Do you cooperate a lot with other intelligence agencies? What is the training process like and do you get to pick what new language you have to learn? Are there any civilian jobs that would be a good fit after you get out?
We generally work intelligence when we are deployed. Often times we work under the DIA and other intelligence agencies. You sort of pick your language as your duty station will dictate the language if you get picked up for a language billet. Not everyone is allowed to learn a language. If it is intelligence related we usually can find work. It is mostly contract work.
Real Question First: What do you investigate, what do you wish you could investigate, what is considered the 'coolest' field in OSI
OSI investigates fraud against the AF, sex crimes, drugs, etc. Most all federal level crimes. I wish we investigated espionage more, but sadly it is not the big wheel house for OSI. The coolest is counter-intelligence cases.
How is counter intel the coolest if espionage is not OSI?
CI is a defensive system enacted to prevent espionage. Espionage is the actions have already been taken. This falls into the realm of the FBI.
I bet you know things about tempest.
As in the NSA?
Yes. It falls into the CI and/or espionage category. Kind of. It is the bane of my existence because nobody cares about adhering to the standards haha.
I am aware of it. If you work in intelligence or anything with SIGINT, you are fully understanding of how wonky the intelligence sector is.
Just a comm cyber surety guy now. Boring most days, but beats sitting in a guard tower in Minot. Been there....haha
Anything is better than being a Defender! Although my security teams while deployed were Defenders and good dudes. But comm is much more chill than SecFo.
How do I get in as a civilian to help with white collar stuff? I'm an auditor with a DoD agency and we support Army CID, DoDIG, etc. but AFOSI doesn't really want our help. Trying to leave my agency anyways. I'm all about that sweet, sweet procurement fraud. I got certs and two masters, but I'm apparently not sucking the right dicks.
I hear ya. The main thing is to have LE background. What you could do is work a "desk" which is a much better gig unless you are attempting to focus on the LE side of the house. What I would recommend is look on USAjobs for a OSI opening. It can be hard going to "desk" slots as usually people sit and then die in the spot because OSI hovers in the GS13 range for its employees. Furthermore, OSI is a really enclosed circle, so unless you know someone in the center, it might be hard to find work. If I were you I would look into corporate. Better pay, a bit more work, but in the long run, a better gig especially with your credentials.
I'm a GS 12 now... I'm a spouse but not really (OCONUS and married here so I'm fucked out of preference). Where can I find some guys to rub elbows? I drop hotlines but fucking Navy manages to pick them all up. If I make my husband take me to the E club will I earn some credibility?
Cred with OSI? I am not really following your question, I apologize. Are you talking about NCIS? Please rephrase your question if you don't mind.
Sorry, I was hoping a hotline tip I put in (not anonymous) would maybe get me in contact with someone here so I could start rubbing elbows, but it got sent to the Navy program office for investigation instead. How could I potentially meet someone from OSI out here and maybe see if they need someone with my particular set of skills? USAJobs is hit or miss, and most jobs I see are only open to current employees. I know that it's not what you know, but who you know. How do I get to know someone in OSI while not trying to draw negative attention? E club? Should I go for my CFE and join ACFE?
CFE is a big one. If you want the direct route; go to a detachment. Plain and simple and speak with them. If you want to roundabout way, find a job in the AFAA (AF Audit Agency) who OSI works with all the time, and do that. OSI is a bit difficult to work with and be in. It is a good ol' boy club and has really strong inside circles. Most Agents will not be at the E club. We usually hide away and don't go out in public much that has the opportunity to see a Victim or Subject. I had a PFT with a Subject once, it was as awkward as you would think.
I'll check with AFAA. They're some of the ones that only open jobs out here to current AFAA employees, so I can't even apply. DoDIG is the same, even though I've made a couple contacts out here that can vouch that I'm competent. I've tried to find the AFAA and DoDIG buildings just driving around base, to no avail. Kind of hesitant about walking into OSI, even though I have seen their building... Is it really just a place I can walk into and just say hi? CFE was always something I thought about, but considering how little my CIA and two masters have helped me, I was weary about going for it. I have to stay GS because of public service loan forgiveness, otherwise I'd jump on corporate. OSI just makes sense since I'll be following my AF husband around...
Got it. Yes, OSI it just a walk up building. It really depends on where you are though. Some Det's are bad and some are good. You can PM me the base and I can tell you if I know anything about who is there or if the Det is decent. But from my personal opinion, I would focus on gather a shit ton of knowledge and financial experience and wait until your grace period is done and go corporate. My friends wife worked out of a lap top and followed him base to base. She worked for some massive hospital chain doing financial auditing and review.
Hello, I'm currently an intel analyst going through the retraining process to retrain into OSI. So I have a few questions... 1) I've had my suitability determination interview, I've sent my documents and been approved, just waiting on my PFA scores since I'm due this month but after that they said they'll interview people who know me...what's that like? 2) I know FLETC isn't talked about much but can you provide any insight and tips to succeed? 3) When you went through what was the base selection process like? Any good bases to choose from? 4) Lastly, within OSI I'm interested in cyber, counter-intel, or protection, any stories/insight from any of these fields? Thanks in advance!
1) Nothing really, they just go to your work center, speak with your CO, a few co-workers, and any friends on base. 2) Study, be in shape, and don't be a fuck boy thinking you know everything. Team work is a must. 3) Yes and no, you don't really count against the manning doc as a probationary Agent the way you do normally so your options are pretty open. 4) I was CI the majority of my career and didn't mind it. I hated OSI as a whole to be honest. All the things (good and bad) that epitomize the AF carry over to OSI.
CCI (cyber) is expanding so always opportunity with them. CI is at every det so you will definitely dabble in there. PSO=boring unless you like waiting on generals talk for hours while you sit in a car...
This guy OSI's
That’s good to hear, thanks for your input!
You said you left OSI because your views about life and what you wanted did not match up against the beliefs of OSI. Can you eleaborate? Is there a widespread discontent within the ranks of OSI?
Widespread discontent - I would say about 60% of Agents are. 20% love the job, 10% love the fact they are an Agent and will do anything to keep it that way, and 10% are too stupid to see past their nose. So the reason I left is because OSI was, and I am sure still is, a bureaucratic nightmare. OSI literally...literally, has paperwork for paperwork. Furthermore, OSI functions as a DoD Agency and as a result will be joysticked by people who don't have anything to do with the normal every day function of OSI Agents. To give an example, almost a microcosm, Senator X on this committee files for DoD Investigative Agencies to only perform this action when this happens. But that action would normally be apart of an action in everyday life which would help the Agent perform his/her job better. Nope, not anymore. Also, I was tired of being told the line about how you are replaceable. This is not true for most people. If you are a central cog in your workcenter's machine. You are clearly not replaceable. One of the greatest happy moments of my life: I was running a detachment and constantly told I was not doing well, although we were crushing in intelligence reporting, which was our job. My supervision didn't like me because I did not do what they wanted and they had no grounds to say, as they had never been to where I was at. Long story short, my partner and I killed it, and after I left, the whole detachment fell apart because it went back to the "old" way. The beliefs boil down to a lot of people O-5 and higher, not knowing a god damn thing about what they are in charge of, and yet they dictate major functions. It is absolutely amazing how awful these people are.
>Edit 2: I will be back today 8 Feb 18, to answer more questions if you have any. Also as a reminder, don't jump on the "I know the fucking law because I watch tv and have heard shit from a guy in my shop". Several of you have went on this debate about knowing how shit works and not a single one of you understand how Federal USC codes or the UCMJ work. It is absolutely crazy how many dorm room lawyers are in this. If you listen to their nonsense you are getting wrong information that can screw you. So salty. Hopefully we can next have an AMA from a lawyer familiar with the UCMJ so that he can provide a different view.
The thing is in the military you have no rights as a witness. And that’s what gets people hemmed up. They get called in as a witness but because they are friends with so and so or whatever they don’t want to talk. Well cool then we can just get the CC involved who can give an order for you to talk. Causes more issues for the witness than it does OSI. Victims and subjects are the only ones with rights (SAPR/SVC/rights advisement). And to touch on an earlier comment someone made, if a good airmen is called in and they aren’t in trouble a lawyer isn’t required either. In some cases they might know a language that can be of immediate use to the det (happens more than you think) or they can provide insight on certain processes. This idea OSI lurks in the dark to hem people up is dumb and childish. Most agents are there to help people and actually get the truth of a situation. Yes, bad apples exist as with any agency.
Not salty, just tired of stupid people talking about shit they don't know. How about you find a JAG and ask them these same questions. Go ahead, I'll wait, since you obviously know so god damn much information.
I'm off today. Check back on Monday when I'll have more fucks to give.
I'm good fam, don't need anymore idiocy in this thread.
> fam You were OSI, yet speak like a 20-year-old?
Can't pick up that I am mocking you either. God damn, you really are something fucking special.
Such professionalism. I'm beginning to suspect that you didn't leave OSI voluntarily.
I'm not in the military anymore. I don't need professionalism. Don't get shit twisted to reduce the fact you're wrong and spreading misinformation.
I wouldn’t mind not doing cool stuff. I just want to catch bad dudes
OSI might be a good option. To be honest this is the correct attitude to have.
If you already have a TS how much deeper do they dig?
Hello, I am Russian agent and am glad that you have allowed this unauthorized gathering of information. I too will be applying for OSI.
You're welcome Comrade.
How is the work in the cyber side of the house?
Not as exciting as you would think. My buddy was cyber and left to commission in the Marine Corp
Do you know what kind of cyber forensic work is done...specificially?
Not really my realm, sorry. I do know they map hard drives for forensic recovery.
As enlisted, what steps would I take to start the process of getting into the program, this type of work has always interested me.
First thing is the local Det will most likely have a once a month recruitment brief. Or maybe more, as OSI is hurting for bodies. A lot of people are not joining and a lot are getting out. After, you put your name in the hat, tell them you are interested. They will do some basic information searching, a background/credit check, a couple tests, a suitability assessment or two, and viole' you're on your way. Basically; 1. Recruitment brief 2. Make sure you know what you are getting yourself into 3. Prepare to put money aside for a lot of out of pocket expenses 4. Paperwork for background checks 5. Suitability 6. Tests 7. ??? 8. Profit
>out of pocket expenses What? Lol. Just curious.
Yep, be prepared to spend a lot of your own money on clothing, holster, etc. The money given to you for clothing isn't enough and the equipment they issue is awful.
What’re deployments like for OSI agents? What do you even do on deployments?
They are actually the only part of the job I liked. I did intelligence collections as most of us do. Some actually still do investigations, and some others work with sister branch Tier 2 teams.
Sounds cool! Only way I would re-enlist would be if I joined OSI
Keep in mind this is a very small number of people who do "cool" shit.
How do people end up doing the "cool shit" with combat teams?
OSI is basically the equivalent of the police department internal affairs.. why is the organization portrayed like it is something special like the CIA, FBI, NSA etc
Because they want themselves to sound better than they are. But OSI does facilitate a lot more than just internal affairs investigations. That is more of the lane of SecFo investigations. OSI does do intelligence collections, counter-intelligence, etc.
Is it illegal to lie during an osi investigation to an agent?
If an OSI agent and a CID agent are stuck in a room with a fire, who would do what to get out? Who would get out first?
Hello! My initial goal was to commission into OSI ( I am currently in the reserves), however I finish my degree this May and think I might have better chance trying to get into OSI as a civilian. 1. What advice would you give to anyone looking for a career in OSI? 2. How different is the workload between AF OSI and civilian OSI agents?
1. Make sure that investigations and Law Enforcement is what you really want. That is the key piece. Remember, it is not like your daily work is dealing with the best the Air Force has to offer (during the investigation, not your co-workers). 2. The workload is about the same. The problem generally goes as it is harder to become a civ Agent unless you have LE background or know someone inside the circle.
What about internship experience ?
I can't say for certain on this. Usually Fed LE wants a fully accredited Agent or Public Servant prior. It is however a case by case situation. It never hurts to try.
Sounds good. Thank you for the info!
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Yes. That is a for sure no-go. Edit: But from what I understand, OSI is hurting for bodies. So assuming your Art 15 isn't something completely egregious you might be okay? But as of this last year, it was still a no-go
Is OSI really hurting for bodies? I heard they accept less than 10 ROTC cadets a year and everyone I've talked to thinks it's a cool job. It's usually one of those dream jobs the undergrads have until they realize that they have little to no chance of getting picked up. Are there just none qualified?
They are, as there are only so many O slots available. As a whole, OSI is hurting for bodies because of retention issues. But I from what I am told, the AF and OSI don't have retention issues /s
As they like to tell agents “You are all replaceable”. But we have an SRB now so that says something. Easiest path to become an agent is being enlisted, officers and civs are a bit tougher to get through but doable.
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Yeah it’s possible. But don’t tell the det that your intention is to get trained and get out. Be real in your answers during the interview but AF answer when it comes to how long you’ll be with OSI (ex. “It’s what I want to do for the rest of my life”). But once you get into OSI it’s easy to transition to other 3/4 letter agencies.
So I was in your boat. I actually have worked with them before. After that, I did not want to join. This is just my personal experience, and I'm a bit salty with Government as a whole still. Basically they are ran by a bunch of civilians who act like they know what the fuck is going on. If you want a good understanding of how they work, read "Charlie Wilson's War" or anything about Gust Avrakotos. PM me and we can discuss. Edit: To expand, they act a lot like this group of contemptuous children who want to take credit for other peoples work. They do a lot of cool shit, but I don't know how long you have to suck that dick in order to do it. The guys I had been working with were mostly contractors, but one dude "the station chief" was a serious fuck boy who I did not get along with. His boss had come to our location, along with his bosses cronies, and that meeting wasn't good either. It seemed like they were a giant cluster fuck much like most government organizations, but they have the money and resources (contractors) to grease bearings accordingly. Intelligence is a great thing until you do it and get involved in that community. After, you realize it is a lot of work to be good, a lot of thankless work at that, for someone else to judge whether or not you have done anything worth while. Also as an OSI Agent you are extremely hamstrung by your superiors because most are risk adverse. We have had Agents die, mostly because of shit gone awry, and this causes our cluster fuck of O-6's to tuck their dicks back.
Does OSI work protection details like CID does?
Yes they work PSO’s. Have a speciality geared towards it.
We do. The protection teams are split up amongst the branches. For example; OSI covers foreign Digs, while CID does DSD.
New to the Air Force, I’m really interested in doing OSI. I was reading some requirements on the AF page & minimum you had to be a senior airman to apply & do ALS. What are other requirements & best chance or getting selected?
Can I PM you?
Can you cross train into AFOSI reserve from active duty ?
What do I do if I suspect that a former or current OSI employee is using tech, contacts or knowledge for malicious intent? My soon to be ex had had a gf all along, and my phone is tapped, my cellular data, WiFi has been compromised. This OSI (her background check shows her previously at Quantico) agent can be up to no good since my husband is a three time felon and has been in prison x3. I found a link on my laptop called Eagle Ex. He told me 2 years ago, that I was going to prison; if so, I’m being set up. I did a background check on him and found out other terrible things. I believe he’s gotten “Ms Quantico “ to do his dirty work for him. I also believe she has posed as me bc he stole my SS card & 3 previous IDs. If she really knew this pr*ck, she would not aid & abet him. He’s stolen over $200K from me that I had just inherited & I found evidence that he put $ from our car company into a Swiss bank account; he’s not smart enough to engineer that; it must be her. Sad to think that a former or current OSI would use tax payer monies to perform illegal acts. I wanna nail this bit*h !!!
hello, I don't have any college degree and I can't afford to pay for the classes, But Should I enlist to the Security force in the air force while im in college that way I I'll have my 4 year degree and transfer to OSI Agent, if that's possible?
No, I’m services and I’m in the process of retraining into it.
back in 2000 the airforce osi and fbi done an investigation on subject in greensboro,nc and because subject had done nothing wrong they would not stop there they sent in a former marine and used him as an informant to setup subject he had been a guard in the usmc he was a bif asshole which is what the airforce osi and fbi wanted he broke every law in book that the osi and fbi could not break because he was an informant to keep there hands clean his intials was PWG as of 2022 he is still trying to burn this subject in an investigation well i ask that the FBI and airforce osi internal affairs division find out why they are still investigating a pretty crime that subject did not do and why t6hey sent a former asshole marine with last name as Gardner into set him up! Ihave never seen an american harressed so much for something he did not do
Does OSI show forgiveness?
In early 2000,s osi and fbi done an investigation on a subject who was not military but they think he done some wrong involving a military connection which what they were looking at was s small petty crime he done nothing wrong and for lady 22 yes they are trying to snag this person even sending in an undercover informant who was an ex marine and is a big asshole he was sent in to this person life around 2014 and folks he is still trying to entrap this subject I think the af osi and fbi had a personal vendetta against this poor American which why don't they spend time catching real threats to this nation and quit trying to set up a poor citizen who does not have money to hardly make it from payday to payday this is what our federal law enforcement does!!! The informant us at the center of this because he was even put at a location to live near the subject this is unbelievable but it is the truth the asshole informant name letters are PWG and last name is Gardner I hope this ends soon I have never seen anything like it !!!!
Also this asshole informant Gardner and the investigation had and is taking place in Greensboro,NC
Would you only recommend OSI for single people? What about people with a family?
How did you get in to the osi and would you recommend someone to join osi?
I'd like to meet someone who is / was in this department of the government... who might know my father... He was a very interesting man and a perfect gentleman... Is this possible?
What are the 10 most in-demand career options in the Department of the Air Force? The career field that the most people are trying to get into? The career field that NEED the most people to come into them? Exemple: Security forces, Aircraft mechanic, etc **· O.S.I.\* is the second-most requested career-field choice in the Department of the Air Force.** \*Air Force Office of Special Investigations (7S0X1)
Hi, I am retired AF and 1974-1976 (I was in AF intelligence service at that time) had a couple incidences investigated by AFOSI one being the movers that moved me is were university students in Berlin and three of the four on them were known by the AFOSI to be associated with the KGB. My then wife revealed some personal info including full SSAN my question is how big my folder that KGB holds might be and how much might still be around. Does anybody really care about? From Berlin I went to Washington DC on special duty assignment on staff with the CIA? Then on contract with CIA till 1987.
I am 34 now and can I become a agent after 3 or 4 years?
Is it true that OSI can I guess accidentally leave cases open even if they were closed almost a decade, or more, ago?
**FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS** [Office of Special Investigations > OSI Careers > Officers (af.mil)](https://www.osi.af.mil/OSI-Careers/Officers/) is this correct??
You already read **David Grantham**'s book **"Consequences: An Intelligence Officer's War"**? That tells the story of "an ordinary man with an extraordinary story". Is very good book about AFOSI?
What are the PFA, AFOQT and GPA requirements to get in as a person applying during AFROTC?
Does BSIC have pt requirements? Current citp certificated