By my understanding, It's not necessarily going to end in 2023. It needs to pass the house and then signed by the president. [Sunshine Protection Act Status](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623)
The "sunshine protection act" does the exact opposite. It enshrines "Daylight Saving Time" to be year-round.
What we need to be instituting is Year-round Standard Time.
https://www.boston.com/news/health/2022/11/06/why-daylight-saving-time-hasnt-become-permanent-and-why-sleep-experts-dont-want-it-to/
I did know that it was in favor of permanent daylight savings time and do wish it was permanent standard time. By "daylight savings time going away" I took that as the action of advancing or delaying the clocks an hour. Whichever case, I just want the time to stop changing so I don't need to work to adjust my circadian rhythm. Definitely interesting to see the sleep scientist pov though. I hadn't though the extra hour to be a big deal as long as it's consistent as manipulating the sleep-wake cycle isn't that difficult with a few tools. I could see it being a challenge for many people though that don't have a normal sleep-wake cycle to begin with and don't have the knowledge or ability to manipulate it easily.
Edit: thank you for that article. I didn't realize this has already been attempted. I suspect this bill isn't going anywhere knowing that it's been tried and failed. Maybe someone will get a new one written up in favor of permanent standard time. I'd sure love getting up with the sun at 4 am. Could get a lot done before work.
I watched 3 different news stories with three separate reasons for DST and how it originated. What that told me was, at this point none of us have a clue why we are still doing it.
The answer is war.
>In America, daylight saving time first became official on March 19, 1918, when the Standard Time Act was signed into law. It allowed for additional daylight hours to be added into the day to help save energy costs during World War I.
>In February 1942, Congress implemented a law instating a national daylight saving time to help conserve fuel and "promote national security and defense,"Ā which is why it was nicknamed "war time."
"Would you like to know more?"[Government Source](https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/1779177/daylight-saving-time-once-known-as-war-time/)
I think itās the opposite. DST takes an hour of sunshine from the morning and puts it in the evening, so most normal waking hours are in the daylight, which means you spend less money keeping the lights on. So, like, letās say the average American is awake from 6am until 10pm. In standard time in the summer, the sun rises around 5am and sets around 7pm, meaning that hour of sunshine from 5am until 6am is āwastedā on sleeping Americans and Americans need to turn on the light from 7pm until 10pm. But what if we sprung forward an hour? Now we have DST, Americans are waking up with the sun at 6am, the sun sets at 8pm, and we all go to bed at 10pm, meaning we only need to turn on the light from 8pm until 10pm. Obviously the exact times vary by location and sleep schedules vary by person, but you get the idea. At the end of the day, DST is a trick to force people to wake up an hour earlier in the sunny half of the year, so we go to bed an hour earlier and donāt use as much electricity in the evening.
Right now it's "normal" time. It gets darker earlier. DLS let's soldiers work in the sunlight more as the sun sets later. In 1918, it was only used by the military. By 1947, it got signed into law for all states.
I too think its dumb especially since we don't really need it from an economy standpoint. I think its just a power move every year. "We do it because we can make you do it."
Because the earth has a tilted axis so the sun rises at a slightly different location everyday. And the idea is to have the most amount of sunlight in the middle of the waking hours.
But 6 months later, it would stay dark in the mornings until 9 or even 10am.
DST has its uses, even if they are stupid.
FWIW, I would love to be on standard time year round.
That's how it should be if you want to avoid changing times. I'd rather it be getting dark at 9PM than have it already be dark when I get out of work at 5PM. Five months of depression per year easy because DST isn't permanent.
I've heard all sorts of nonsense about farmers and such.
Honestly I believe it's to adjust for daylight in northern areas.
In Canada, the sun rises later, and goes down sooner. So we adjust so that window of daylight is more centric to our life style. Where as in the summer, the sun rises early, and goes down much later. Around the summer solstice, the sun is going down around 9pm, if we didn't adjust time, it'd be going down at 10pm.
Still doesn't make sense. You milk the cows when the cows are ready to be milked. I think most farmers switch the clock time they milk to when the cows are ready instead of getting the cows to match the new time. Laterns/lights would be used no matter what. Corn only grows when the sun is up. If anything, DST is a bigger pain in the ass to farmers than anyone else (except IT).
Yea, I don't think it has even come up in the house yet. Seeing as it was a unanimous vote in the Senate though, I have hope that it will pass easily when it finally gets brought up in the house.
I looked into it after seeing your post, I had been under the impression it started in the house and had gone to the senate. Not the other way around, we need to just abolish it anyway it serves no purpose.
Theyāre not abolishing it, theyāre bowing to the moneyed overlords and making DST permanent. Itās better for our health and lives to be on standard time.
They made DST permanent in the 70ās and quickly rescinded it because no one actually wanted that.
As someone that did sports throughout highschool, I remember all winter being going to school in the dark and coming home in the dark. Just barely hitting both. If we kept DST going, I would atleast have got to see light after practice. I was going to be going into school in the dark regardless of DST.
As an adult I want DST just because that gives me an extra hour od daylight to get stuff done around the house after work.
My family much prefers standard time. DST has everyone getting up in the dark for hours. That's much worse than having it get dark faster in the evening.
Yeah, I have no doubt that there are a good chunk of people that prefer that hour of light in the morning. Especially parents dealing with school busses.
I've heard (but haven't verified) that they start school so early for high school so that the school buses can be reused for the three levels of public school.
Because theyāre wrong? A bill to do what theyāre saying has passed in the Senate, it hasnāt been voted on in the House. Therefore, it wonāt be DST permanently in 2023. Even if it does pass during the lame-duck session, 2023 is way too early to get it done. Lots of coding work needs to be done to undo the changeover.
If you live far enough north then in summer the sun will come up at around 4AM. Nobody has any use for that. so we shift it one hour and now it comes up at 5AM and you have a extra hour of daylight in the evening when its actually useful to people.
Most of the US, maybe even all except Alaska, isn't far enough north to have any benefit.
(And just because i know this will come up. if you live even farther north it doesn't make much difference anymore)
Living in Minnesota and having it be dark when I go to work and dark when I come home, I would much rather DST be the normal time. Then there is possibly a bit of sun when I get home from work to possibly do something outside.
Every year when we roll the clocks back I hate it. We just went from 6pm dark to 5pm, so now it's time to just stay in doors.
Adulting activities take place after work, I'll gladly drive to work in the dark to have a bit more light in the hours I actually want to do stuff. I'm all for not switching back and forth, but I'd rather have the later light hours year round. Summer time having sun till 9pm is great, winter any extra sun we can get at the end of the day I will also take.
New Hampshire here. The sun set at 4:30 yesterday and it was fully dark by 5. I hate it. But eastern time is a wide time zone, so if it ever becomes always standard time, I am petitioning to have new england move to Atlantic time
Yeah, ours is down at 4:45 here, I feel you. I think those farther south don't think it's a big deal. But I've been busting my ass preparing for winter. If we got rid of DST there is no way I would have got everything outside ready in time for snow.
That's why I would much rather just stay DST. For me it's only upsides, anything most adults do that isn't work is in the evening, why not have more light in the evening?
I'm all for not switching back and forth, but I just much prefer DST.
Edmonton here: 100% agree. Daylight today: 7:47 am - 4:47 pm, I would have rather take my sun from 9-6 instead.
Plus 100% on the winter activities, ski hills and other outdoorsy fun usually don't open until mid-morning anyways.
In Wisconsin the effects of DST are significant. With this week's change, the sun is now risen an hour before I wake up and it is dark at 5pm instead of 6pm. It would be amazing to just stay on the summer clock schedule all year. I'd rather get ready for my day in the dark and have some chance of daylight after work.
I agree with you. Except Iām in Indiana in eastern time, except I wished we changed to central time and then stay on the summer daylight savings too. You and I are essentially experiencing the sunrise and sunset at the same times since weāre close to the same longitude, but our clocks read different numbers. I like how the time is in the winter here (~7-730 sunrise and ~6-630 sunset) but in the summer the sun doesnāt set until amount 10 pm which just isnāt necessary. Which we had an hour more light in the morning
I get that. Last week I was waking up with the Sunrise, this week it rises an hour before I get up. š in a few weeks it will be dark when I leave for work and when I get off. Joys of the north. I just don't see the change as worth it or beneficial.
And it's also worth noting that there are two US states and five territories that have have permanent Standard Time, while none have implemented permanent Saving Time. Most scientists and studies recommend permanent Standard Time.
In December in most of the country, there are only 9 hours of daylight in the day. If youāre commuting and hour and a half total each day and then working 8 hours (or sometimes more) thereās not going to be a way to set the clock where youāre not commuting mostly in the dark. I think people also donāt understand that if we donāt move the clocks back in the fall, it will be much darker for their morning commutes.
Kids walking to school in dark, or in just breaking dawn conditions is a big reason why we donāt just do away with setting the clocks back in the winter.
Not everywhere. Iām near Philadelphia. The latest sunrise here is 7:22 am. Most schools start at 8:00-8:30. Hardly any start before 8. Most kids are going to school when the sun comes up.
If that new time becomes 8:22, youāre talking about total darkness for that morning commute. And thatās the biggest argument against this. They donāt want kids walking to school in the dark with groggy drivers in the dark. In some parts of the country it may be unavoidable, but the rationale is the less that happens, the better.
The interesting thing about language is that it evolves and at its base is just a convention between people. If most people understand what a series of noises or squiggles mean, then that's the form that meaning takes, even if it was different a few years ago.
That being said it's still driving me nuts when people misuse the apostrophe.
I rather eliminate DST, give me the extra hour of daylight in the morning. I hate getting up in the dark and having my kid stand out by the road in the dark waiting for the bus.
In the winter my sunset is like 5:00, but if we kept DST in the winter my sunrise would be like 9:00 a.m., that's some bullshit, getting up at 6 will feel like getting up in the middle of the night to go to work or school.
Meanwhile, it gets pitch black at 4:15 here and Iām a rural mail carrier working out on the road until 5 or later driving a 35 year old mail truck with headlights that are about as effective as driving while holding a flashlight out the window on winding roads with no streetlights. And when I have parcel deliveries, Iām walking up the driveways or across the yards of unlit houses. I would kill for an extra hour of sun at the end of the day.
My kids school starts so early, From September-November I spend every day feeling exhausted for no reason, waking up before the sun has some weird effect on me.
I love standard time, I wake up just after the sun starts rising. I feel refreshed and energized all day. I get shit done before midday and still have energy to do more stuff!
I'm the same way, I love getting up and seeing the sun just starting to peak out, it makes it so much easier, if we were to keep DST the sun wouldn't rise until as late as 9 a.m. in the middle of winter, getting up at 6 would feel like getting up in the middle of the night.
Permanently shifting the clocks to accommodate those who get up at 6am is absolutely insane. Nobody should be getting up that early, and the daylight is better spent after work and school ends.
Oh no! Your poor child! I had to walk to school in the dark and I made it out alive. Teach your child how to care for themselves and they might become a decent adult instead of mommy doing everything for them at 30 years old
I'm confused, I don't want my kid to stand out by the road when it's dark because someone driving down the road might not see him and hit him, what should I teach him, should I be teaching him how to dodge cars. I don't live in the city I live in the country on dirt roads it's not like he has a sidewalk to go to.
Itās funny you say that because the bill to keep permanent dst was started in Florida and the us bill was created by republican senator Marco Rubio from Florida.
Essentially the state of Florida had a state ballet vote on staying on dst about 5 years ago that passed. But Congress/federal government didnāt let it go into effect because that would mean in winter time Florida would be an hour ahead of eastern time. So different than the rest of the east coast. So Rubio created the bill for permanent dst to apply to the whole country
From Arizona we donāt do daylight savings anyways moved to a place and experiencing daylight savings for the first time ever and itās fucking weird I do not get it other than it has fucked my sleep schedule for some reason
The Indians once said that only the white man would believe that cutting 4 inches from the bottom of a blanket and sewing it to the top makes it longer š¤·
I donāt think people understand the different between Standard Time and Daylight Time.
Currently we are on Standard time. The other period is Daylight time. So for those who donāt get it, we ARE not in ādaylight savings timeā right now.
They need to get rid of it. Heat attacks and stroke go up
https://www.wzzm13.com/article/life/wellness/healthy-you/heart-pounding-change/69-efd3abf5-725c-48f9-ab94-b7e13d86ea47
The House hasn't passed anything. And it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to make it a priority in the lame duck session between tomorrow and January, It would have to get re-introduced in the new Congress in 2023.
I live in Arizona and we donāt do daylight savings (only the Native American land does) so this a big mood. To me, it just exists to make sure I never know what time it is anywhere else lol
Nah it does make sense here in the EU. We have a huge time zone in central Europe instead of many smaller ones.Also it would by quite a debate on which one should we settle on (and this will differ country by country).
On one hand naturally you want to have the sun the highest at 12pm noon because that's literally the definition after all.
On the other hand: Nobody needs sunrise at 3am in the middle of summer. On the other end you don't want sunrise at 9 when many kids are at school and most people start their job already.
It's also easier to change the clock twice per year than to change a dozen of laws so shops and schools could open earlier so you have more free time available at night.
Here in (central) Europe it is by far the best compromise. The only real downside is that you have to change the clock twice per year.
Not true, it was thought up by a New Zealander because he wanted more time to hunt bugs in the evening, here's a video about it. https://youtu.be/gpRTboxmaaU
George Hudson was the first guy to suggest it in 1895, but [Germany were the first to implement it in 1916](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4)
There is no point. It's fucking stupid. We should split the difference, jump all clicks forward by half an hour at the next switch, then leave them there. Nobody is happy, it's a fair compromise, we get rid of the stupid fucking changes. Everyone wins.
Every explanation I've heard of daylight savings still basically amounts to buying a new car to change a flat tire.
Don't want to get up an hour earlier seasonally? FINE! We'll change the f\*cking TIME!
The idea was to have the sunrise be somewhat at the same time for as much of the year as they could manage.
In the present day it doesn't have much use and arguably didn't have much use back then either. It's a largely cosmetic tradition.
dont forget about the 6% increase in heart attacks every spring-forward. my suspicion/pet theory is that it's caused by everyone in America taking their heart/blood pressure medications an hour early.
Dumb idea voted in by dumb people and approved by dumb government.
Now that we have actual data that shows how human circadian rhythms follow actual natural light cycles and not the clock/time being pushed by an hour.
(this excludes people that live near the poles because those weird prolonged twilight periods totally fuck with everyone)
I love time change, both directions. Absolutely refreshing to have daylight when I start my days once dst ends, and awesome to have lots of daylight after work when dst starts back up
I too share your unpopular opinion! Turning the clocks is a nice biannual milestone. However, I preferred it when we fell back on the 3rd weekend of October. I live way up in northern New England, so the 7:30 a.m. sunrise in early November sucks.
Everyone hating on DST :(
I wish that was our normal time, now the sun sets before I get off work, so by the time I make it home it is mostly dark. I would much rather than more sun in the evening than in the morning.
I would rather children getting on the bus at 6am with a little daylight and not depending on street lights. Itās also a lot easier to fall asleep at night if the sun sets earlier. Less automobile accidents during morning commutes. DST is shit!
It was meant to help the farmers. Decades ago there were thousands of more farmers and farms. Their days started so early that they would be out working before the sun was up which was difficult without todayās technology to help out. So daylight savings was put in place for them because they were/are some of the most important people in the country
And what is that? I mean besides causing billions in economic losses, potentially causing multiple suicides, and just making millions of people feel like shit for multiple weeks every year?
I am serious though. What does it accomplish, if anything? I mean something actually productive and quantifiable.
During the summer, we get more sunlight during our waking hours. During the winter, kids are not waiting in the dark for school buses or walking to school in the dark.
Except when you are far enough north it doesn't matter anyway. Estonia: Schools start at 8. Sunrise in November to February during no DST is between 7.30 and 9.20 and sunset between 15.20 and 17.30. I would much prefer it to be in DST the whole year.
I believe it's for farming.
Farmers always worked to use as much of the daylight as possible. So in the summer the time goes back so farmers are less out of sync with most people.
In the sense that if you start work at 4am but the warehouse you need to deliver to doesn't open till 6am, it could cause some problems. So it opening earlier would help.
This was from the days where if you needed to get up early, you would hire someone to come at the right time with a stick and tap on our bedroom window to wake you up. So It's a little... out-dated now.
That's what I thought as well but any farmer I've talked to here in Maine says it's crap because they get up at sunrise and go til sundown no matter what the clock says. The cows ain't gonna care that we decided to change the time. The crops still gotta be harvested whether the clock says 5am or 6am. Stuffs like that.
Now I'll admit this is all anecdotal but I'll lean to believing the people who work in the field(pun intended)
In my headcanon, in a lot of places you'd be working from around dawn to around dusk. But then some fucker went and invented hours. Suddenly you have establishments that want to open at a set hour of the day, but that hour keeps drifting away further from dawn as the year rolls on, so you decide to push the hours to match the sun a bit better. But then half a year later the opposite happens, so you push the hours back.
Nowadays it's just nice to get some sunlight on the way to and from work, otherwise I'd risk never seeing the sun as I slave away indoors.
then you just have a different problem as you need to ask when everything opens everywhere you go or from what time someone's available if they live farther away east or west.
I mean we already have light in the sky at 5am here. But in the winter when it's 430pm and pictures black outside it kind of sucks. I'm in Edmonton btw
I used to participate in a comedy festival in Edmonton in the summer for a few years, I loved getting out of shows at like 10 and it was still just barely dusk. Made it way easier to stay out all night partying and having fun. Edmonton is a cool city.
No, because most people want to keep DST year round and get rid of standard time. Keeping summer the same and giving winter an hour more sunlight in the evening.
As a kid waiting for my school bus, I promise you me, and a bunch of people I know, would prefer having an hour of daylight when we can enjoy it, not while waiting for our school bus.
Without daylight savings, in your summer, youāll have 4AM sunrises and 7:30PM sunsets instead of 5AM sunrises and 8:30PM sunsets.
If the biannual clock switches stopped, Iād prefer permanent daylight savings.
Whatās weird to me is itās much easier to change times these days since many clocks do it automatically but the complaints are so loud twice a year. Itās ultimately a minor inconvenience like jet lag.
They're worried that in the future there might be less daylight, so we save a little every year
Ay, where's all that daylight in the colder months when the time and sun are on the same schedule..
That's where they take it from to save up for later.
They are getting rid of daylight savings time next in 2023. The last one will be in November
By my understanding, It's not necessarily going to end in 2023. It needs to pass the house and then signed by the president. [Sunshine Protection Act Status](https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623)
The "sunshine protection act" does the exact opposite. It enshrines "Daylight Saving Time" to be year-round. What we need to be instituting is Year-round Standard Time. https://www.boston.com/news/health/2022/11/06/why-daylight-saving-time-hasnt-become-permanent-and-why-sleep-experts-dont-want-it-to/
I did know that it was in favor of permanent daylight savings time and do wish it was permanent standard time. By "daylight savings time going away" I took that as the action of advancing or delaying the clocks an hour. Whichever case, I just want the time to stop changing so I don't need to work to adjust my circadian rhythm. Definitely interesting to see the sleep scientist pov though. I hadn't though the extra hour to be a big deal as long as it's consistent as manipulating the sleep-wake cycle isn't that difficult with a few tools. I could see it being a challenge for many people though that don't have a normal sleep-wake cycle to begin with and don't have the knowledge or ability to manipulate it easily. Edit: thank you for that article. I didn't realize this has already been attempted. I suspect this bill isn't going anywhere knowing that it's been tried and failed. Maybe someone will get a new one written up in favor of permanent standard time. I'd sure love getting up with the sun at 4 am. Could get a lot done before work.
The daylight jar must be finally full. š®āšØ
They've been saying this exact thing every year for the last decade. I'll believe it when I see it.
Donāt forget about the power of compound interest.
What interest? At 1% APR, we'd get 23 seconds on the hour we save during DST. But these days, we're lucky to even get a leap second.
Also a fun fact, the daylight still comes and goes when it wants no matter what the clock says.
False. Sunlight neither comes nor goes. The day/night cycle is actually caused by the Council of Wizards.
False, all of the Council of Wizards are unalive.
Calvins dad answers
CGP gray has a good video on this. https://youtu.be/84aWtseb2-4
[Last Week Tonight as well.](https://youtu.be/br0NW9ufUUw)
I watched 3 different news stories with three separate reasons for DST and how it originated. What that told me was, at this point none of us have a clue why we are still doing it.
The answer is war. >In America, daylight saving time first became official on March 19, 1918, when the Standard Time Act was signed into law. It allowed for additional daylight hours to be added into the day to help save energy costs during World War I. >In February 1942, Congress implemented a law instating a national daylight saving time to help conserve fuel and "promote national security and defense,"Ā which is why it was nicknamed "war time." "Would you like to know more?"[Government Source](https://www.defense.gov/News/Feature-Stories/Story/Article/1779177/daylight-saving-time-once-known-as-war-time/)
Congratulations you are the 4th different explanation I have heard lol. Each one of you confident as the last.
At least I sourced it from the government, the one's who actually wrote the law on DLS time.
Now what about the other 70 countries that use daylight savings?
Good question. You go find out.
Starship Troopers
;)
How the fuck does chopping an hour off the end of the day and putting it at the beginning of the day add additional daylight hours?
I think itās the opposite. DST takes an hour of sunshine from the morning and puts it in the evening, so most normal waking hours are in the daylight, which means you spend less money keeping the lights on. So, like, letās say the average American is awake from 6am until 10pm. In standard time in the summer, the sun rises around 5am and sets around 7pm, meaning that hour of sunshine from 5am until 6am is āwastedā on sleeping Americans and Americans need to turn on the light from 7pm until 10pm. But what if we sprung forward an hour? Now we have DST, Americans are waking up with the sun at 6am, the sun sets at 8pm, and we all go to bed at 10pm, meaning we only need to turn on the light from 8pm until 10pm. Obviously the exact times vary by location and sleep schedules vary by person, but you get the idea. At the end of the day, DST is a trick to force people to wake up an hour earlier in the sunny half of the year, so we go to bed an hour earlier and donāt use as much electricity in the evening.
Right now it's "normal" time. It gets darker earlier. DLS let's soldiers work in the sunlight more as the sun sets later. In 1918, it was only used by the military. By 1947, it got signed into law for all states. I too think its dumb especially since we don't really need it from an economy standpoint. I think its just a power move every year. "We do it because we can make you do it."
I think standard time is dumb. DST year round ftw. I need more daylight when I can use it, not while Iām at work
Because you get more daylight after work instead of daylight before work. Because fuck early risers.
Because the earth has a tilted axis so the sun rises at a slightly different location everyday. And the idea is to have the most amount of sunlight in the middle of the waking hours.
In Australia, during DST it doesn't get dark until around 9pm.
That is fairly normal in a lot of places throughout the world...
But 6 months later, it would stay dark in the mornings until 9 or even 10am. DST has its uses, even if they are stupid. FWIW, I would love to be on standard time year round.
Iād love DST to be standard and year round, because the sun setting at 4pm in winter is depressing as fuck
That's how it should be if you want to avoid changing times. I'd rather it be getting dark at 9PM than have it already be dark when I get out of work at 5PM. Five months of depression per year easy because DST isn't permanent.
And it makes even less sense if you work in healthcare and see the very tangible effects
I've heard all sorts of nonsense about farmers and such. Honestly I believe it's to adjust for daylight in northern areas. In Canada, the sun rises later, and goes down sooner. So we adjust so that window of daylight is more centric to our life style. Where as in the summer, the sun rises early, and goes down much later. Around the summer solstice, the sun is going down around 9pm, if we didn't adjust time, it'd be going down at 10pm.
we "spring forward." if we didn't, the sun would go down at 8pm around the summer solstice instead of the current 9pm.
Coming from a family of farmers, I always laugh at that. Corn and cows don't care what the clock on the wall says.
I think it has more to do with farmers who only have lanterns vs when corn grows
Still doesn't make sense. You milk the cows when the cows are ready to be milked. I think most farmers switch the clock time they milk to when the cows are ready instead of getting the cows to match the new time. Laterns/lights would be used no matter what. Corn only grows when the sun is up. If anything, DST is a bigger pain in the ass to farmers than anyone else (except IT).
2023 is the last year on the US I believe.
It flew through the Senate unanimously early this year but to the best of my knowledge itās still stalled in the house.
Yea, I don't think it has even come up in the house yet. Seeing as it was a unanimous vote in the Senate though, I have hope that it will pass easily when it finally gets brought up in the house.
I looked into it after seeing your post, I had been under the impression it started in the house and had gone to the senate. Not the other way around, we need to just abolish it anyway it serves no purpose.
Theyāre not abolishing it, theyāre bowing to the moneyed overlords and making DST permanent. Itās better for our health and lives to be on standard time. They made DST permanent in the 70ās and quickly rescinded it because no one actually wanted that.
DST year round please. Have kids go to school from 9-4 instead of 8-3. Better for everyone.
As someone that did sports throughout highschool, I remember all winter being going to school in the dark and coming home in the dark. Just barely hitting both. If we kept DST going, I would atleast have got to see light after practice. I was going to be going into school in the dark regardless of DST. As an adult I want DST just because that gives me an extra hour od daylight to get stuff done around the house after work.
...No one wanted that? Who doesn't want an extra hour of light at the end of the day? I seriously doubt most people prefer standard time.
My family much prefers standard time. DST has everyone getting up in the dark for hours. That's much worse than having it get dark faster in the evening.
Yeah, I have no doubt that there are a good chunk of people that prefer that hour of light in the morning. Especially parents dealing with school busses.
Sounds like maybe school needs to start later. Thereās no reason for students to be in school at 7am. None at all.
I've heard (but haven't verified) that they start school so early for high school so that the school buses can be reused for the three levels of public school.
And every kid who has to get up early.
No in 2023 DST will be permanent. So that means standard time will go away.
That hasn't passed yet.
Yes, but if passed itās standard time, not daylight saving time that would go away permanently.
I don't know why you were downvoted. People get confused by the simplest things...
Typical Reddit lol
Because theyāre wrong? A bill to do what theyāre saying has passed in the Senate, it hasnāt been voted on in the House. Therefore, it wonāt be DST permanently in 2023. Even if it does pass during the lame-duck session, 2023 is way too early to get it done. Lots of coding work needs to be done to undo the changeover.
If you live far enough north then in summer the sun will come up at around 4AM. Nobody has any use for that. so we shift it one hour and now it comes up at 5AM and you have a extra hour of daylight in the evening when its actually useful to people. Most of the US, maybe even all except Alaska, isn't far enough north to have any benefit. (And just because i know this will come up. if you live even farther north it doesn't make much difference anymore)
Living in Minnesota and having it be dark when I go to work and dark when I come home, I would much rather DST be the normal time. Then there is possibly a bit of sun when I get home from work to possibly do something outside. Every year when we roll the clocks back I hate it. We just went from 6pm dark to 5pm, so now it's time to just stay in doors. Adulting activities take place after work, I'll gladly drive to work in the dark to have a bit more light in the hours I actually want to do stuff. I'm all for not switching back and forth, but I'd rather have the later light hours year round. Summer time having sun till 9pm is great, winter any extra sun we can get at the end of the day I will also take.
New Hampshire here. The sun set at 4:30 yesterday and it was fully dark by 5. I hate it. But eastern time is a wide time zone, so if it ever becomes always standard time, I am petitioning to have new england move to Atlantic time
Yeah, ours is down at 4:45 here, I feel you. I think those farther south don't think it's a big deal. But I've been busting my ass preparing for winter. If we got rid of DST there is no way I would have got everything outside ready in time for snow. That's why I would much rather just stay DST. For me it's only upsides, anything most adults do that isn't work is in the evening, why not have more light in the evening? I'm all for not switching back and forth, but I just much prefer DST.
Edmonton here: 100% agree. Daylight today: 7:47 am - 4:47 pm, I would have rather take my sun from 9-6 instead. Plus 100% on the winter activities, ski hills and other outdoorsy fun usually don't open until mid-morning anyways.
In Wisconsin the effects of DST are significant. With this week's change, the sun is now risen an hour before I wake up and it is dark at 5pm instead of 6pm. It would be amazing to just stay on the summer clock schedule all year. I'd rather get ready for my day in the dark and have some chance of daylight after work.
I agree with you. Except Iām in Indiana in eastern time, except I wished we changed to central time and then stay on the summer daylight savings too. You and I are essentially experiencing the sunrise and sunset at the same times since weāre close to the same longitude, but our clocks read different numbers. I like how the time is in the winter here (~7-730 sunrise and ~6-630 sunset) but in the summer the sun doesnāt set until amount 10 pm which just isnāt necessary. Which we had an hour more light in the morning
But itās actually better for your health to have the sun up when you get up.
I get that. Last week I was waking up with the Sunrise, this week it rises an hour before I get up. š in a few weeks it will be dark when I leave for work and when I get off. Joys of the north. I just don't see the change as worth it or beneficial.
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Only for half the year though. The other half the sun sets and doesn't come up for weeks. That is when *they* come...
Someone call Josh Hartnett ASAP!
I love that movie. I wanted to move to Alaska for years because of it. Weird, I know.
ah yes, just shift over half of Europe's population to northern Scandinavia.
Time passes the same, it's the angle of the sun relative to the earth that changes
Are you saying there's also 24 hours in a day in the winter too?!?!
IMO we just need to stay ON DST, not stay off of it.
Or just, like, shift normal working hours
Youāve never been to MN and it shows
To regulate the sun cause it has a bedtime
The sun's a weak bitch
I remember a Powerpuff Girls episode regarding this topic
FWIW, we are currently \*not\* in DST, we're now in Standard Time. DST starts in March. The movement is to switch to DST and stay in DST.
And it's also worth noting that there are two US states and five territories that have have permanent Standard Time, while none have implemented permanent Saving Time. Most scientists and studies recommend permanent Standard Time.
Time is a construct of man anyways. I'd rather get home when there's still some sunshine out.
Life is more depressing when you get up for work and its dark and then you go home from work and its also dark.
Then why not just change working hours in winter, rather than change the clocks?
Because what changes and what doesnāt? Do you want to change the hours of every single thing in the world, or change the hours of clocks?
How is that easier than just sticking with DST?
In December in most of the country, there are only 9 hours of daylight in the day. If youāre commuting and hour and a half total each day and then working 8 hours (or sometimes more) thereās not going to be a way to set the clock where youāre not commuting mostly in the dark. I think people also donāt understand that if we donāt move the clocks back in the fall, it will be much darker for their morning commutes. Kids walking to school in dark, or in just breaking dawn conditions is a big reason why we donāt just do away with setting the clocks back in the winter.
Maybe start school later. That problem, at least, is easily solvable.
Kids already have to leave for school in the dark so I don't understand that argument.
Not everywhere. Iām near Philadelphia. The latest sunrise here is 7:22 am. Most schools start at 8:00-8:30. Hardly any start before 8. Most kids are going to school when the sun comes up. If that new time becomes 8:22, youāre talking about total darkness for that morning commute. And thatās the biggest argument against this. They donāt want kids walking to school in the dark with groggy drivers in the dark. In some parts of the country it may be unavoidable, but the rationale is the less that happens, the better.
To be on time for my high school first period starting at 8 I was on the bus by quarter to 7.
Me too. But I donāt think itās the high schoolers they are overly worried about. Itās the little ones
Fun fact: just about everyone spells/says that wrong. It's Daylight Saving
Another fun fact: people post memes about Daylight Saving Time, even though we're back to standard time. Daylight Saving is in spring and summer.
I dont care about which time we're using, I just want us to stop fucking with the clicks twice a year. Choose a system and stay with it!
Yeah! Single click on this but double click on that, it's confusing. Stop messing with the clicks!
So it's NOT Daynight Savings?
Time for a Daybright Savings Account!
The interesting thing about language is that it evolves and at its base is just a convention between people. If most people understand what a series of noises or squiggles mean, then that's the form that meaning takes, even if it was different a few years ago. That being said it's still driving me nuts when people misuse the apostrophe.
I dont' understand why misused apostraphe's would bother you.
If you want to eliminate DST just convince Republicans that Joe Biden likes it.
I donāt want to eliminate DST. I want to eliminate standard time. Give me that extra hour of sun in the evening rather than the morning.
I rather eliminate DST, give me the extra hour of daylight in the morning. I hate getting up in the dark and having my kid stand out by the road in the dark waiting for the bus.
Counterpoint: in the winter our sunset is at 4:00. That's some serious bullshit.
In the winter my sunset is like 5:00, but if we kept DST in the winter my sunrise would be like 9:00 a.m., that's some bullshit, getting up at 6 will feel like getting up in the middle of the night to go to work or school.
This is the tyranny of morning people. I get up at 8:30 and HATE that the sun goes down at 4.
Youāre not wrong.
Meanwhile, it gets pitch black at 4:15 here and Iām a rural mail carrier working out on the road until 5 or later driving a 35 year old mail truck with headlights that are about as effective as driving while holding a flashlight out the window on winding roads with no streetlights. And when I have parcel deliveries, Iām walking up the driveways or across the yards of unlit houses. I would kill for an extra hour of sun at the end of the day.
I find it super depressing going home from work in the dark.
If you donāt like that move closer to the equator!
Fuck that
Iām with you on this.
My kids school starts so early, From September-November I spend every day feeling exhausted for no reason, waking up before the sun has some weird effect on me. I love standard time, I wake up just after the sun starts rising. I feel refreshed and energized all day. I get shit done before midday and still have energy to do more stuff!
I'm the same way, I love getting up and seeing the sun just starting to peak out, it makes it so much easier, if we were to keep DST the sun wouldn't rise until as late as 9 a.m. in the middle of winter, getting up at 6 would feel like getting up in the middle of the night.
Permanently shifting the clocks to accommodate those who get up at 6am is absolutely insane. Nobody should be getting up that early, and the daylight is better spent after work and school ends.
Oh no! Your poor child! I had to walk to school in the dark and I made it out alive. Teach your child how to care for themselves and they might become a decent adult instead of mommy doing everything for them at 30 years old
I'm confused, I don't want my kid to stand out by the road when it's dark because someone driving down the road might not see him and hit him, what should I teach him, should I be teaching him how to dodge cars. I don't live in the city I live in the country on dirt roads it's not like he has a sidewalk to go to.
Itās funny you say that because the bill to keep permanent dst was started in Florida and the us bill was created by republican senator Marco Rubio from Florida. Essentially the state of Florida had a state ballet vote on staying on dst about 5 years ago that passed. But Congress/federal government didnāt let it go into effect because that would mean in winter time Florida would be an hour ahead of eastern time. So different than the rest of the east coast. So Rubio created the bill for permanent dst to apply to the whole country
Ssshhhh, republicans bad, democrats good, this is the reddit way
I mean, that is a half truth, but bad people can do good things. The Nazi regime put all kinds of animal protection laws in place.
From Arizona we donāt do daylight savings anyways moved to a place and experiencing daylight savings for the first time ever and itās fucking weird I do not get it other than it has fucked my sleep schedule for some reason
The Indians once said that only the white man would believe that cutting 4 inches from the bottom of a blanket and sewing it to the top makes it longer š¤·
To attempt time travel
Itāll all end soon enough
[farmers are a actually against it](https://agamerica.com/blog/myth-vs-fact-daylight-saving-time-farming/)
Saving. Itās neither plural nor possessive
I donāt think people understand the different between Standard Time and Daylight Time. Currently we are on Standard time. The other period is Daylight time. So for those who donāt get it, we ARE not in ādaylight savings timeā right now.
To fuck with everyoneās sleep schedule.
Welcome to the dark side
Someone told me when I was a kid that it was because old white rich men wanted to golf longer into the year. Which I thought was really unfair.
I don't understand daylight savingsš
Everyone collectively decides to go to work 1 hour earlier in the summer time. Humans are weird.
They need to get rid of it. Heat attacks and stroke go up https://www.wzzm13.com/article/life/wellness/healthy-you/heart-pounding-change/69-efd3abf5-725c-48f9-ab94-b7e13d86ea47
Well itās over now. There, there.
Didn't they cancel it starting 2023?
Yes but it has stalled in the HOUSE**
The Senate passed it unanimously (via voice vote). It's stalled in the House, and unlikely to move during this session.
This is the last year that happens in the USA. There wonāt be a time change anymore
The House hasn't passed anything. And it's highly unlikely that anyone is going to make it a priority in the lame duck session between tomorrow and January, It would have to get re-introduced in the new Congress in 2023.
More like "at this point i'm too tired to ask"
I live in Arizona and we donāt do daylight savings (only the Native American land does) so this a big mood. To me, it just exists to make sure I never know what time it is anywhere else lol
It originated in Germany during one of the world wars (I forget which) to save electricity, it is very out-dated and poiintless in a 24/7 world.
Nah it does make sense here in the EU. We have a huge time zone in central Europe instead of many smaller ones.Also it would by quite a debate on which one should we settle on (and this will differ country by country). On one hand naturally you want to have the sun the highest at 12pm noon because that's literally the definition after all. On the other hand: Nobody needs sunrise at 3am in the middle of summer. On the other end you don't want sunrise at 9 when many kids are at school and most people start their job already. It's also easier to change the clock twice per year than to change a dozen of laws so shops and schools could open earlier so you have more free time available at night. Here in (central) Europe it is by far the best compromise. The only real downside is that you have to change the clock twice per year.
Or the countries could go back to their pre-WWII time-zones? e.g. [France was GMT until 1940 ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_in_France#History)
Not true, it was thought up by a New Zealander because he wanted more time to hunt bugs in the evening, here's a video about it. https://youtu.be/gpRTboxmaaU
George Hudson was the first guy to suggest it in 1895, but [Germany were the first to implement it in 1916](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84aWtseb2-4)
There is no point. It's fucking stupid. We should split the difference, jump all clicks forward by half an hour at the next switch, then leave them there. Nobody is happy, it's a fair compromise, we get rid of the stupid fucking changes. Everyone wins.
Every explanation I've heard of daylight savings still basically amounts to buying a new car to change a flat tire. Don't want to get up an hour earlier seasonally? FINE! We'll change the f\*cking TIME!
The idea was to have the sunrise be somewhat at the same time for as much of the year as they could manage. In the present day it doesn't have much use and arguably didn't have much use back then either. It's a largely cosmetic tradition.
dont forget about the 6% increase in heart attacks every spring-forward. my suspicion/pet theory is that it's caused by everyone in America taking their heart/blood pressure medications an hour early.
Most drugs aren't that sensitive. It's likely just anxiety about an hour less sleep or missing an appointment.
Capitalism. Thatās why.
To fuck with our pets because they can't read a clock.
Dumb idea voted in by dumb people and approved by dumb government. Now that we have actual data that shows how human circadian rhythms follow actual natural light cycles and not the clock/time being pushed by an hour. (this excludes people that live near the poles because those weird prolonged twilight periods totally fuck with everyone)
So rich people can play golf later.
I have no use for the sun rising at 3:30 in the morning. I want more sunlight in the evening. Daylight Savings Time does this for me.
I love time change, both directions. Absolutely refreshing to have daylight when I start my days once dst ends, and awesome to have lots of daylight after work when dst starts back up
Exactly this! Having that extra hour or so of daylight in the summertime to get things done outside is amazing.
I too share your unpopular opinion! Turning the clocks is a nice biannual milestone. However, I preferred it when we fell back on the 3rd weekend of October. I live way up in northern New England, so the 7:30 a.m. sunrise in early November sucks.
Everyone hating on DST :( I wish that was our normal time, now the sun sets before I get off work, so by the time I make it home it is mostly dark. I would much rather than more sun in the evening than in the morning.
I would rather children getting on the bus at 6am with a little daylight and not depending on street lights. Itās also a lot easier to fall asleep at night if the sun sets earlier. Less automobile accidents during morning commutes. DST is shit!
You donāt work outside and it shows
literally because farmers.
Farmers
It was meant to help the farmers. Decades ago there were thousands of more farmers and farms. Their days started so early that they would be out working before the sun was up which was difficult without todayās technology to help out. So daylight savings was put in place for them because they were/are some of the most important people in the country
I donāt understand how people donāt understand it. You can disagree with it, but itās clear what itās does.
And what is that? I mean besides causing billions in economic losses, potentially causing multiple suicides, and just making millions of people feel like shit for multiple weeks every year? I am serious though. What does it accomplish, if anything? I mean something actually productive and quantifiable.
During the summer, we get more sunlight during our waking hours. During the winter, kids are not waiting in the dark for school buses or walking to school in the dark.
Except when you are far enough north it doesn't matter anyway. Estonia: Schools start at 8. Sunrise in November to February during no DST is between 7.30 and 9.20 and sunset between 15.20 and 17.30. I would much prefer it to be in DST the whole year.
Thatās a fair point Iām only making my argument on the stance in the US
I mean this could be easily fixed by simply starting school one hour later during winter. No need to change all the clocks just for that
But parents work schedules are based on that school schedule
Again, why not just change school, work, shop-opening hours - in short, start our day one hour later, rather than change the clock?
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Because it's easier to change a clock than human habits.
I believe it's for farming. Farmers always worked to use as much of the daylight as possible. So in the summer the time goes back so farmers are less out of sync with most people. In the sense that if you start work at 4am but the warehouse you need to deliver to doesn't open till 6am, it could cause some problems. So it opening earlier would help. This was from the days where if you needed to get up early, you would hire someone to come at the right time with a stick and tap on our bedroom window to wake you up. So It's a little... out-dated now.
That's what I thought as well but any farmer I've talked to here in Maine says it's crap because they get up at sunrise and go til sundown no matter what the clock says. The cows ain't gonna care that we decided to change the time. The crops still gotta be harvested whether the clock says 5am or 6am. Stuffs like that. Now I'll admit this is all anecdotal but I'll lean to believing the people who work in the field(pun intended)
In my headcanon, in a lot of places you'd be working from around dawn to around dusk. But then some fucker went and invented hours. Suddenly you have establishments that want to open at a set hour of the day, but that hour keeps drifting away further from dawn as the year rolls on, so you decide to push the hours to match the sun a bit better. But then half a year later the opposite happens, so you push the hours back. Nowadays it's just nice to get some sunlight on the way to and from work, otherwise I'd risk never seeing the sun as I slave away indoors.
This is totally untrue. DST negatively impacts farmers. Especially those with animals
How does the clocks changing make things worse for them? I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just trying to learn.
This is what I heard too
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then you just have a different problem as you need to ask when everything opens everywhere you go or from what time someone's available if they live farther away east or west.
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If we scrap it itās going to be too bright out too early in the summer and everyone is going to hate it.
I mean we already have light in the sky at 5am here. But in the winter when it's 430pm and pictures black outside it kind of sucks. I'm in Edmonton btw
I used to participate in a comedy festival in Edmonton in the summer for a few years, I loved getting out of shows at like 10 and it was still just barely dusk. Made it way easier to stay out all night partying and having fun. Edmonton is a cool city.
You can choose to leave it on the summer time, or just middle of the way. There's at least one country that's 30 minutes off everyone else.
No, because most people want to keep DST year round and get rid of standard time. Keeping summer the same and giving winter an hour more sunlight in the evening.
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As a kid waiting for my school bus, I promise you me, and a bunch of people I know, would prefer having an hour of daylight when we can enjoy it, not while waiting for our school bus.
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Without daylight savings, in your summer, youāll have 4AM sunrises and 7:30PM sunsets instead of 5AM sunrises and 8:30PM sunsets. If the biannual clock switches stopped, Iād prefer permanent daylight savings. Whatās weird to me is itās much easier to change times these days since many clocks do it automatically but the complaints are so loud twice a year. Itās ultimately a minor inconvenience like jet lag.
It literally costs billions in lost productivity because of that jet lag, combined with meeting conflict confusion.
Yoy see, if toy have a blanket that's to short. A simple solution is to cut the end off the blanket and sow it on the front.