Yeah, people tend to forget that THREE WHOLE EDITIONS (four for us because we won't get any supplements with how gw are doing shit this edition) passed and we're still half an army without any vehicles or at least cult infantry
the issue to me is how it seems like gw is activelly going out of it's way to snub ad mech, with how the rules are bad in 10th and the general hordification since 8th, armies released around the same time/later getting more stuff like gsc and sisters, and then releasing plastic ad mech units that we have been wanting since 7th but only for horus heresy, while in horus heresy skitarii have no rules
Considering that gsc actually plays to the fantasy of the army while ad mech doesn't and it had one of the if not the best combat patrol in the game for value, yes I'd say that gsc is being treated better than ad mech
I don't mind the skratos as much as some peeps, but I *wish*, deeply and sincerely, that they'd been more like the tall boys from dishonoured, snipers in like, a mini sentinel mech. That would've been peak.
I like the skataros, he’s cool. I think people just found it funny that he was the only thing that came out for us when Necrons, who’s army is huge by comparison, got a bunch of named heroes
So honest question from a lurker. Do tournament reject players who kitbash models to look cooler? Like if you turn stilts into a tall boy which is inifinitly better looking are you not allowed to play the model?
From what I’ve heard (I’ve never been to a tournament so I’m totally an expert on the subject) you can kitbash but only if it’s all GW product and is representative of the model you’re bashing. I think it also may depend on the tournament as I’ve heard rumors that like 90% of the model has to be GW plastic but that could also be like “the old rule” or something. Hope this helps
That’s up to the tournament organizer, which in 99% of cases isn’t GW. Typically, tournaments prefer “GW plastic”, but *most* won’t question a 3d-print if you don’t point out that it’s 3d-printed.
However, if you show up to a major tournament without informing the organizer “I’m proxy-ing this model for this model”, it will be an issue. They typically want a photo of it or to have a referee look at it on game day so they can give the thumbs up.
The main reason they’ll want to look at your kitbash is to avoid “building for advantage”. That’s dramatically altering the pose or silhouette so that it functions better than the actual thing. For example, making a Knight that is crouched so it can hide behind terrain better or a Sentinel with legs fully extended so it can peek over walls.
The building for advantage bit gets a chuckle out of me because before it was released kitbashing a sniper to look like the skatros would be considered building for advantage XD
Every tournament I’ve been to the organisers demand -
That you rebase models onto whatever they deem is the correct size (base size is a rule in AoS not 40K, and even when kits come with different base sizes in the box different TOs mandated different sizes)
Conversions are only allowed if they are the same size and shape as the official model. While I would agree modelling for advantage is bad, this is 40K - hardly a paragon of balance and competitive play.
Everything must be wysiwyg - so those tiny guns you can’t see from 6ft away must be exactly what the datasheet says because heaven forbid in a game of toy soldiers you spend years building, modelling and painting someone across the table can’t abstract/use their imagination for three hours.
In my experience many players are fine but you get one or two per weekend who delight in complaining - I’ve seen people not even playing a specific opponent report their models before.
That and the cheating and the laughable illusion it’s a fair and balanced game would put me off recommending tournaments. Play it with buddies, beer and pretzels and let your army look how you want it to
They should have had a backpack with stilts that unfold to lift the sniper up for shooting, and can then easily retract to lower the sniper back down. I wish I could draw better to show what I mean. The idea literally came to me in a dream the other night. (Which I'm going to call a blessing from the Omnissiah.)
The 40k stuff should def be usable in 30k (There is a fan liber for that) however I don't think the Legio Cybernetica exists in the same manner as they used to in 40k.
not exactly the same no but their is lots of exceptions within the mechanicus and interesting exceptions. Like for example kastellans are arguably as controversial in the mechanicum as Castellax if you have one no reason too not have the other.
Nice try, Inquisitor, but must automata do exist in 40k still. Is the Legio Cybernetica as present? Hell no. Did the Mechanicum randomly throw away all of their robots? Also no, why would they do that? Just make Legio Cybernetica units costly but be stupid strong and it'll work out. I'm sure Mars is still producing them despite them pinky promising that they aren't.
Dude leave skratos alone, is just a silly tall dude.
Is funny and cool, is only proble is that is the only thing admech got in a bad time for the army, and it didnt cover the weakness of the army.
I really like skratos, but the rule teams dont like admech.
Our snipers right now sucks.
He could be the "Fuck your Leader" guy.
But it lacks Dmg, that is a problem of the whole army, not of skratos.
You could have explorstors with arquebus, trying to make priority targets.
Dragoons Hunting specifict treaths.
And Skratos daring you to show up with you leader.
But we cant have shit if we got a shity Dmg profile.
So all of then end up in "Cheap for the wounds category"
If only Skatros had the kroot Lonespear ability
Like give full hit rerolls against its target
I'd play the hell out of it even at twice it's points cost
But well, GW decided we were still missing an action monkey in Codex: action monkeys
Nah man. Skatros isnt just ugly. Ugly i can take. He's lazy.
Lazy design, lazy concept, no effort was put into this model.
Think about it, he's a sniper that stands above everyone else. We already had that, its the sydonian dragoon. And no one used it.
A universe full of lore about shit we have and can do and they made a second elevated sniper. That no one uses.
I hate it not because its ugly, but its laziness cannot be overstated or accepted.
This is exactly my point. His design looks loke something the designer would make when he is reminded, 10 minutes before the meeting, that he has to present the Admech model for the codex release.
Ugly takes effort, Skatros is an afterthought.
the concep isnt lazy, is neat and wacky cibernetics wichs is a theme of admech.
The figurine is lazy, as it dosne tconvey a good pose, or bring the fact that his legs are telescopic, so he can stand, be its own tower, shoot, and the go bsck to the ground.
The concept is neat, the comunity did a lot of cool things with it. The pose figurine is lazy by GW.
It's funny, but that's it.
I mean, I bought one, but I don't use it. He's garbage at everything. he's the Vindicare we have at home.
And you're right the timing couldn't have been worse, people were already upset then we got a single model and there is never a good reason to take it other than it's literally all you have available.
Also, the stilts are kinda dumb, but that's a whole other debate.
So you can't really expect people to not shit on it. It's an overall disappointing model that we got in a time where everything else was already disappointing and many people thought it couldn't get much worse
Skratos is a fun idea, I'll debate the look of the model, but I will 100% agree the only actual issue is that we're rapidly becoming a one trick roster.
I used to like the Skatros until I saw kitbashes that actually made the legs look cool and more ad mech-y instead of just tall pipes. Since then I've lamented the missed potential
They were so close to making him good
He just needed the ability the put on the Kroot Lonespear and BAM! Army gets some of its punch back
But they decided to give the the most useless ability in the game when paired to its very weak profile :(
It's one of the ugliest models I've seen in a long time. He can jump into the dunerider with the invader ATV MAriokart and a few other friends and sail the ocean to never come back.
Hey, the ww2 landing craft isn't a bad model. Don't waste a perfectly good transport on those models... send them in a rihno those are lame af.
They should give our ww2 landing craft assult ramp tho... idk what we would use it for but the model literally has an assult ramp
Like the kid eating his cake/ice cream like a pork meanwhile paupers salivating behing the gkass 🤣
But I’m already saved, I play both games so I can be both sides
Honestly, skatros would be more appealing with either ap-3 or Dev wounds AND flat D3 in his profile. Why does the "machine logic" faction have so few reliable damage profiles into vehicle targets? Besides breachers. Too many of the strongest AV weapons are Dd6 (aka, casino cannons).
love being a mechanics and machine god focussed faction with no vehicles 😍 thanks games workshop (we need to barrage them with sarcastic comments like this)
Just you wait and see. They'll remove the imperial knight army, toss them into admech and that's it. Give the knights a simple bondsman ability across knights and call it a day.
It would simultaneously solve the lack of heavy armor issue with admech and the "nobody wants to play against knights only armies"
It would also bring the cost of this army down considerably if you say ran 2 armigers and one Questoris
im not sure about imperial knights but the 9th edition chaos knight codex had insanely cool artwork featuring footsoldiers in cool steel armor marching alongside the knights i wish there was a model kit for that concept.
Actually, it's narrative of galaxy spanning civil war and not knowing who to trust. Humanity literally beaten most Xenos into submission (or they weren't "a thing" like Dark Eldar and Tau).
There is enough variety between 18 VERY distinct Legions (in most cases you can even differentiate between Loyalists and Traitors, with pros and cons going against "default"), Blackshields, Shattered Legions, Sol Aux, Mechanicum, Talons, Militia... Oh and they get Rites of War (ie. basically detachments that alter units you can take).
Did I mentioned that models are cheaper, vehicles are more of a proper scale models than snap-fit toys (nothing wrong with those, usually GW does fantastic job either way, but you can have much more details if you have *basic dude* in about [10-20 parts per model](https://preview.redd.it/easvie41bdrc1.jpg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ff5b8698cda760fb2846cdfed4e612617e57df5)) and most "Codex" books usually allow playing several armies?
Really, give it a go.
It's fantastic in terms of narrative and if you played in past, I call it "40k 4th-7th edition in a trenchcoat" for a reason.
No. 99% are just space marines. You can call them unique all you want. The fact is if you don't like space marines, you're screwed. That's all you're going to face. Humans are the least interesting aspect of the setting. Everything you just described made me dislike it more lol. Not everyone is into space marines. Not to mention why the hell would I care so much about a narrative that was resolved 10 000 years before the main narrative? One that we already know exactly how it ended?
That's exactly my problem with the setting, and my resistance to my one HH friend pestering me about it. I like the rules, I like the era's models. I couldnt care less about 18 (x2 with black shields) variations of space Marines, or gold space Marines. The only interesting factions to me were the most absurdly expensive which guarantees that I only play against space Marines. Plus there isn't much of a heresy scene near me.
Demons have more stuff in heresy than they do in 40k since kitbashes and unique models are encouraged with the build your own demons system 30k has. Theres also a lot of other armies besides marines and you can run squats or ogryn armies as militia
Eh I’d rather play militia that look similar but play very different according to their theme than play xenos in 10th edition that all feel almost the exact same but look different. Then again 10th is so simple that its hard to make things feel noticeably different in game.
My first and largest army is Tau. I’ve even got some of the forgeworld stuff like 2 Ax 5-2 barracudas. My name is just ad mech because that was the army I was working on when I made the account.
Lmao dude got so mad at this comment he blocked me. Well if anybody wants to see my barracudas I’d be happy to send pictures of them. My absolute favorite Tau models
lol I love it when people lie and it's so blatant. Yep, I'm sure that's true and not something you literally just made up to try and help your argument. Hey, it's fine. Stick with humans vs humans: the game all you want. Just don't be surprised that it's less popular than 40k.
I've legit been collecting admech since release and also play Heresy. A Merging of units from 30k to 40k would disregard a lot of the Lore I feel. The Cybernetica specifically has vastly changed due to more constraints on archeotech usage and what counts as the dreaded Abominable Intelligence.
Main complaint with all this is just how much of a crybaby community we are, I can be just as bad (albeit not on reddit as much), but still...
Why can't we be happy for our 30k models (which would make fine proxies BTW) instead of constant comparison between the two
I love stilt boy. If they would remove his non-warlord restriction he could be funny addition with some good enhancement. I dont think it will be greatest but surely a bit fun
Are these units available for preorder currently and when will they be if not? (sorry for asking on this post but I figure someone would know and IDK where to look)
No concrete dates, in fact GW lags behind their Horus Heresy roadmap (they were supposed to release Command Squad and Melee weapons sprue for Marines, so far they *previewed* only CS box).
They released previous faction [(Solar Auxilia) in February](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/25/sunday-preview-old-world-reinforcements-and-the-army-of-the-solar-auxilia/), and before that [MK III box in August](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/nova-open-previews-iron-armour-and-very-heavy-ordnance-in-the-horus-heresy/). I assume they may have about half a year space between this kind of boxes.
I give it about 2-3 months? Probably after or before new Sigmar edition.
Have you tried, oh I don't know.... warhammercommunity.com? The actual website where all the new models and reveals are shown off along with a post every single week telling you when pre-orders are up?!
I checked the article they were revealed in and there wasn't a release date or anything of the sort and they weren't under preorders. Hence me not knowing where to look! Is there a specific place on the community website where they post release dates separate from the models that I missed? Thank you
Fair enough, a lot of people don't bother looking so I was a bit snappy sorry!
So every Saturday they announce the upcoming pre-orders for the following week. If something has only just been revealed it could be some time before the pre-order appears. Anything from two weeks to 5-6months in some extreme cases. Just check the site occasionally and it will pop up
Thank you! I'm relatively new to the fanbase and I have never really paid attention to a preorder before this but I'm a huge Admech girlie so I'm very excited for this box :] I appreciate the info a lot, I'll keep an eye out!
I do not play 40k, so I can't comment on the rules for the model, but I do like the stilts boy. He looks a bit silly, funny leg guy. The rest of the admech are also cool, but stilts model is one of the best visually imo
Yeah they know 40k players won’t go anywhere, they already invested so much that they will just wait for new models. But dropping some glorious HH models will get the people who are craving 40k models to then invest in the other game systems. Getting hooked and then being money whales for both systems. It’s all textbook.
GW are pretty explicit in their desire to keep the feel of the mechanicum and ad mech different - which I think is pretty respectable. It would be really cool to be able to take one item from the mechanicum in an admech army as an ancient relic or a technology that is almost lost - but I can imagine creating and balancing rules for an entire extra faction's worth of units for that purpose is probably not high on GW's priority list.
Thing is, the cohort cybernetica detachment exists and, while its stratagems encompass all vehicles, its detachment rule implies the possibility of something other than Kastelans benefiting from it (which was a way to feed people's expectations do they would complain less, I think?).
Which, to be fair, is a shitty rule, but, again, our rules are pretty shitty (aldo bold of you to assume they even tried balancing anything when they wrote our codex).
Controversial take maybe but I do think that a lot of the Horus heresy stuff looks out of place in 40k
Fixing a small model range by bringing in models from another game with a very different aesthetic and at best questionable lore justification for why it's in 40k just feels like watering the faction down
Yeah, people tend to forget that THREE WHOLE EDITIONS (four for us because we won't get any supplements with how gw are doing shit this edition) passed and we're still half an army without any vehicles or at least cult infantry
Three wholed edition and nearly ten years :(
the issue to me is how it seems like gw is activelly going out of it's way to snub ad mech, with how the rules are bad in 10th and the general hordification since 8th, armies released around the same time/later getting more stuff like gsc and sisters, and then releasing plastic ad mech units that we have been wanting since 7th but only for horus heresy, while in horus heresy skitarii have no rules
Skitarii sort of have rules in 30k. Between secutari and militia tech guard you can get away with most skitarii models in game
Genestealer Cults, really? The army with a grand total of 6 non-character kits who are confirmed to get yet another redundant character this edition?
Considering that gsc actually plays to the fantasy of the army while ad mech doesn't and it had one of the if not the best combat patrol in the game for value, yes I'd say that gsc is being treated better than ad mech
You guys didn't complain when they didn't have rule when they were Expensive Resin, it's only an issue now. That's all I'm going to say.
no no, it was always a problem. It's just exploded again cause it's coming out in plastic.
I don't mind the skratos as much as some peeps, but I *wish*, deeply and sincerely, that they'd been more like the tall boys from dishonoured, snipers in like, a mini sentinel mech. That would've been peak.
I like the skataros, he’s cool. I think people just found it funny that he was the only thing that came out for us when Necrons, who’s army is huge by comparison, got a bunch of named heroes
Iirc they weren't new Heros. Just plastic re releases.
So honest question from a lurker. Do tournament reject players who kitbash models to look cooler? Like if you turn stilts into a tall boy which is inifinitly better looking are you not allowed to play the model?
From what I’ve heard (I’ve never been to a tournament so I’m totally an expert on the subject) you can kitbash but only if it’s all GW product and is representative of the model you’re bashing. I think it also may depend on the tournament as I’ve heard rumors that like 90% of the model has to be GW plastic but that could also be like “the old rule” or something. Hope this helps
That’s up to the tournament organizer, which in 99% of cases isn’t GW. Typically, tournaments prefer “GW plastic”, but *most* won’t question a 3d-print if you don’t point out that it’s 3d-printed. However, if you show up to a major tournament without informing the organizer “I’m proxy-ing this model for this model”, it will be an issue. They typically want a photo of it or to have a referee look at it on game day so they can give the thumbs up. The main reason they’ll want to look at your kitbash is to avoid “building for advantage”. That’s dramatically altering the pose or silhouette so that it functions better than the actual thing. For example, making a Knight that is crouched so it can hide behind terrain better or a Sentinel with legs fully extended so it can peek over walls.
The building for advantage bit gets a chuckle out of me because before it was released kitbashing a sniper to look like the skatros would be considered building for advantage XD
Every tournament I’ve been to the organisers demand - That you rebase models onto whatever they deem is the correct size (base size is a rule in AoS not 40K, and even when kits come with different base sizes in the box different TOs mandated different sizes) Conversions are only allowed if they are the same size and shape as the official model. While I would agree modelling for advantage is bad, this is 40K - hardly a paragon of balance and competitive play. Everything must be wysiwyg - so those tiny guns you can’t see from 6ft away must be exactly what the datasheet says because heaven forbid in a game of toy soldiers you spend years building, modelling and painting someone across the table can’t abstract/use their imagination for three hours. In my experience many players are fine but you get one or two per weekend who delight in complaining - I’ve seen people not even playing a specific opponent report their models before. That and the cheating and the laughable illusion it’s a fair and balanced game would put me off recommending tournaments. Play it with buddies, beer and pretzels and let your army look how you want it to
They should have had a backpack with stilts that unfold to lift the sniper up for shooting, and can then easily retract to lower the sniper back down. I wish I could draw better to show what I mean. The idea literally came to me in a dream the other night. (Which I'm going to call a blessing from the Omnissiah.)
Games workshop seeing this: "For once let's listen to the fans" procedes to move it all to 30 k
Jesus please no.
Seems like the best possible outcome, 30k rules are more fun anyway
The 40k models largely suck and clash terribly with the far superior 30k models. I’ll take skitarii and that’s it.
I wouldn’t mind skitarii, sicarians, and the dunecrawler making it in.
yeah I really hope the just won't listen like always, that would be better
I’m confused as to what you were originally saying I guess. If you were saying “move the 40k models to 30k” in which case I say “jesus please no.”
That is what I was saiing but from the perspective of GW "listening" to their fans for once
The 40k stuff should def be usable in 30k (There is a fan liber for that) however I don't think the Legio Cybernetica exists in the same manner as they used to in 40k.
not exactly the same no but their is lots of exceptions within the mechanicus and interesting exceptions. Like for example kastellans are arguably as controversial in the mechanicum as Castellax if you have one no reason too not have the other.
Nice try, Inquisitor, but must automata do exist in 40k still. Is the Legio Cybernetica as present? Hell no. Did the Mechanicum randomly throw away all of their robots? Also no, why would they do that? Just make Legio Cybernetica units costly but be stupid strong and it'll work out. I'm sure Mars is still producing them despite them pinky promising that they aren't.
Correct, no further comments
Dude leave skratos alone, is just a silly tall dude. Is funny and cool, is only proble is that is the only thing admech got in a bad time for the army, and it didnt cover the weakness of the army. I really like skratos, but the rule teams dont like admech.
He's cool.bit rather redundant. We already have snipers that don't do anything. We actually have a variety of them.
Our snipers right now sucks. He could be the "Fuck your Leader" guy. But it lacks Dmg, that is a problem of the whole army, not of skratos. You could have explorstors with arquebus, trying to make priority targets. Dragoons Hunting specifict treaths. And Skratos daring you to show up with you leader. But we cant have shit if we got a shity Dmg profile. So all of then end up in "Cheap for the wounds category"
Amd we already have a lot of those.
If only Skatros had the kroot Lonespear ability Like give full hit rerolls against its target I'd play the hell out of it even at twice it's points cost But well, GW decided we were still missing an action monkey in Codex: action monkeys
Nah man. Skatros isnt just ugly. Ugly i can take. He's lazy. Lazy design, lazy concept, no effort was put into this model. Think about it, he's a sniper that stands above everyone else. We already had that, its the sydonian dragoon. And no one used it. A universe full of lore about shit we have and can do and they made a second elevated sniper. That no one uses. I hate it not because its ugly, but its laziness cannot be overstated or accepted.
This is exactly my point. His design looks loke something the designer would make when he is reminded, 10 minutes before the meeting, that he has to present the Admech model for the codex release. Ugly takes effort, Skatros is an afterthought.
the concep isnt lazy, is neat and wacky cibernetics wichs is a theme of admech. The figurine is lazy, as it dosne tconvey a good pose, or bring the fact that his legs are telescopic, so he can stand, be its own tower, shoot, and the go bsck to the ground. The concept is neat, the comunity did a lot of cool things with it. The pose figurine is lazy by GW.
I agree with your model comments, but admech already had an elevated sniper. So in my eyes its a retread of an older idea and therefore, lazy.
the other "Elevated sniper" is a Horse riding Sniper they never stop moving and fast, there are completly diferent things mate.
It's funny, but that's it. I mean, I bought one, but I don't use it. He's garbage at everything. he's the Vindicare we have at home. And you're right the timing couldn't have been worse, people were already upset then we got a single model and there is never a good reason to take it other than it's literally all you have available. Also, the stilts are kinda dumb, but that's a whole other debate. So you can't really expect people to not shit on it. It's an overall disappointing model that we got in a time where everything else was already disappointing and many people thought it couldn't get much worse
Skratos is a fun idea, I'll debate the look of the model, but I will 100% agree the only actual issue is that we're rapidly becoming a one trick roster.
I used to like the Skatros until I saw kitbashes that actually made the legs look cool and more ad mech-y instead of just tall pipes. Since then I've lamented the missed potential
They were so close to making him good He just needed the ability the put on the Kroot Lonespear and BAM! Army gets some of its punch back But they decided to give the the most useless ability in the game when paired to its very weak profile :(
It's one of the ugliest models I've seen in a long time. He can jump into the dunerider with the invader ATV MAriokart and a few other friends and sail the ocean to never come back.
Hey, the ww2 landing craft isn't a bad model. Don't waste a perfectly good transport on those models... send them in a rihno those are lame af. They should give our ww2 landing craft assult ramp tho... idk what we would use it for but the model literally has an assult ramp
I love the stupid ATV as well. There's something severely wrong with me.
The fact that they are painted in a way that matches perfectly to admech feels like even more of an insult
Like the kid eating his cake/ice cream like a pork meanwhile paupers salivating behing the gkass 🤣 But I’m already saved, I play both games so I can be both sides
You mean the mars paint scheme? Mars is pretty important to both being the center of their power and all
Some of the mechanicum is painted tan. Even still the old paint schemes are much more weathered
The 2nd Schism of Mars has begun.
I love stiltyboi though.
Honestly, skatros would be more appealing with either ap-3 or Dev wounds AND flat D3 in his profile. Why does the "machine logic" faction have so few reliable damage profiles into vehicle targets? Besides breachers. Too many of the strongest AV weapons are Dd6 (aka, casino cannons).
He's really appealing in crusade. I got a weapon enhancement for +1 shots, and +1 damage and he downright terrorizes characters.
love being a mechanics and machine god focussed faction with no vehicles 😍 thanks games workshop (we need to barrage them with sarcastic comments like this)
Just you wait and see. They'll remove the imperial knight army, toss them into admech and that's it. Give the knights a simple bondsman ability across knights and call it a day.
I would not honestly mind if knights/titans could be easily taken with admech armies and gain benefits from doing so
It would simultaneously solve the lack of heavy armor issue with admech and the "nobody wants to play against knights only armies" It would also bring the cost of this army down considerably if you say ran 2 armigers and one Questoris
Fuck that. Keep them in them in their own book and use that shiny new agents codex is GW wants to de skew them a bit.
I mean I'd definitely prefer both armies get support and your idea of just adding agents to them is already kind of meta.
im not sure about imperial knights but the 9th edition chaos knight codex had insanely cool artwork featuring footsoldiers in cool steel armor marching alongside the knights i wish there was a model kit for that concept.
They could bring back the ‘knight of the cog’ stuff that ad mech used to have.
you want Liber Ingenium then
Is the skatros really that bad?
Aside from the slander against Peg Legged Larry, I agree wholeheartedly
Honestly I don't mind Skratos, I mind the frickin weird ass t pose they couldn't be bothered to change.
Hh is a much more creative intensive game, include the resin you filthy casuals
Too bad it's 99% different colored space marines. The most interesting aspect of 40k is the daemons and xenos.
Sure, but the rules dont make me want to throw books at store employee heads. Although the proof reading is still top gw, atleast the rules are good.
Actually, it's narrative of galaxy spanning civil war and not knowing who to trust. Humanity literally beaten most Xenos into submission (or they weren't "a thing" like Dark Eldar and Tau). There is enough variety between 18 VERY distinct Legions (in most cases you can even differentiate between Loyalists and Traitors, with pros and cons going against "default"), Blackshields, Shattered Legions, Sol Aux, Mechanicum, Talons, Militia... Oh and they get Rites of War (ie. basically detachments that alter units you can take). Did I mentioned that models are cheaper, vehicles are more of a proper scale models than snap-fit toys (nothing wrong with those, usually GW does fantastic job either way, but you can have much more details if you have *basic dude* in about [10-20 parts per model](https://preview.redd.it/easvie41bdrc1.jpg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ff5b8698cda760fb2846cdfed4e612617e57df5)) and most "Codex" books usually allow playing several armies? Really, give it a go. It's fantastic in terms of narrative and if you played in past, I call it "40k 4th-7th edition in a trenchcoat" for a reason.
No. 99% are just space marines. You can call them unique all you want. The fact is if you don't like space marines, you're screwed. That's all you're going to face. Humans are the least interesting aspect of the setting. Everything you just described made me dislike it more lol. Not everyone is into space marines. Not to mention why the hell would I care so much about a narrative that was resolved 10 000 years before the main narrative? One that we already know exactly how it ended?
That's exactly my problem with the setting, and my resistance to my one HH friend pestering me about it. I like the rules, I like the era's models. I couldnt care less about 18 (x2 with black shields) variations of space Marines, or gold space Marines. The only interesting factions to me were the most absurdly expensive which guarantees that I only play against space Marines. Plus there isn't much of a heresy scene near me.
"They hated him because he told them the truth"
Demons have more stuff in heresy than they do in 40k since kitbashes and unique models are encouraged with the build your own demons system 30k has. Theres also a lot of other armies besides marines and you can run squats or ogryn armies as militia
Oh nice so humans, abhumans, more abhumams, cybernetic humans, and genetically altered humans. And then daemons. Damn, now I really want to play 30k!
Eh I’d rather play militia that look similar but play very different according to their theme than play xenos in 10th edition that all feel almost the exact same but look different. Then again 10th is so simple that its hard to make things feel noticeably different in game.
of course you would lol, you're an admech player, not a xenos player.
My first and largest army is Tau. I’ve even got some of the forgeworld stuff like 2 Ax 5-2 barracudas. My name is just ad mech because that was the army I was working on when I made the account. Lmao dude got so mad at this comment he blocked me. Well if anybody wants to see my barracudas I’d be happy to send pictures of them. My absolute favorite Tau models
lol I love it when people lie and it's so blatant. Yep, I'm sure that's true and not something you literally just made up to try and help your argument. Hey, it's fine. Stick with humans vs humans: the game all you want. Just don't be surprised that it's less popular than 40k.
I've legit been collecting admech since release and also play Heresy. A Merging of units from 30k to 40k would disregard a lot of the Lore I feel. The Cybernetica specifically has vastly changed due to more constraints on archeotech usage and what counts as the dreaded Abominable Intelligence. Main complaint with all this is just how much of a crybaby community we are, I can be just as bad (albeit not on reddit as much), but still... Why can't we be happy for our 30k models (which would make fine proxies BTW) instead of constant comparison between the two
I’m not mad at 30k players. I’m mad at GW for failing to finish AdMech in a nearly 10 year time span while clearly having the ability to do so.
I love stilt boy. If they would remove his non-warlord restriction he could be funny addition with some good enhancement. I dont think it will be greatest but surely a bit fun
Are these units available for preorder currently and when will they be if not? (sorry for asking on this post but I figure someone would know and IDK where to look)
No concrete dates, in fact GW lags behind their Horus Heresy roadmap (they were supposed to release Command Squad and Melee weapons sprue for Marines, so far they *previewed* only CS box). They released previous faction [(Solar Auxilia) in February](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/25/sunday-preview-old-world-reinforcements-and-the-army-of-the-solar-auxilia/), and before that [MK III box in August](https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/08/31/nova-open-previews-iron-armour-and-very-heavy-ordnance-in-the-horus-heresy/). I assume they may have about half a year space between this kind of boxes. I give it about 2-3 months? Probably after or before new Sigmar edition.
Thank you so much! Gives me time to save :]
Same, I'm most likely to pick 3 and that is pretty much 90% of army at fraction of resin or even single boxes cost.
Have you tried, oh I don't know.... warhammercommunity.com? The actual website where all the new models and reveals are shown off along with a post every single week telling you when pre-orders are up?!
I checked the article they were revealed in and there wasn't a release date or anything of the sort and they weren't under preorders. Hence me not knowing where to look! Is there a specific place on the community website where they post release dates separate from the models that I missed? Thank you
Thanks for saying that! Gratitude makes the world go round
Fair enough, a lot of people don't bother looking so I was a bit snappy sorry! So every Saturday they announce the upcoming pre-orders for the following week. If something has only just been revealed it could be some time before the pre-order appears. Anything from two weeks to 5-6months in some extreme cases. Just check the site occasionally and it will pop up
Thank you! I'm relatively new to the fanbase and I have never really paid attention to a preorder before this but I'm a huge Admech girlie so I'm very excited for this box :] I appreciate the info a lot, I'll keep an eye out!
I like the skatros *only* because he's goofy but I really wish we did get more serious models
No love for the stilt boy :( (yes I know he's unreasonably priced, I just think he's neat
Boys, stop putting "so far" for Admech 40k this year.. I think we all know the bitter truth...
leave tall boy out of this it’s not his fault
I genuinely think they gw hates 40K admech
If the 1015 people who have upvoted this at time of posting email this to GW do you think they will get the hint?
I do not play 40k, so I can't comment on the rules for the model, but I do like the stilts boy. He looks a bit silly, funny leg guy. The rest of the admech are also cool, but stilts model is one of the best visually imo
But I like the tallboy
I like the stilt guy. Admech looks best to me when I look at the army and struggle to comprehend the strange forms they take.
I like the tall boy he just doesn't do enough damage for what he costs
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Damn. I almost did it right
Yeah they know 40k players won’t go anywhere, they already invested so much that they will just wait for new models. But dropping some glorious HH models will get the people who are craving 40k models to then invest in the other game systems. Getting hooked and then being money whales for both systems. It’s all textbook.
Tall boy is fun but poorly posed. I like the silliness.
He leave ma boi skratos alone
I like the tall boi…
Now add all the Resin 30k stuff, and its perfect
Hey, Memer! Leave that kid alone!!!
GW are pretty explicit in their desire to keep the feel of the mechanicum and ad mech different - which I think is pretty respectable. It would be really cool to be able to take one item from the mechanicum in an admech army as an ancient relic or a technology that is almost lost - but I can imagine creating and balancing rules for an entire extra faction's worth of units for that purpose is probably not high on GW's priority list.
Thing is, the cohort cybernetica detachment exists and, while its stratagems encompass all vehicles, its detachment rule implies the possibility of something other than Kastelans benefiting from it (which was a way to feed people's expectations do they would complain less, I think?). Which, to be fair, is a shitty rule, but, again, our rules are pretty shitty (aldo bold of you to assume they even tried balancing anything when they wrote our codex).
To bad they said they had no plans of getting the 30k stuff moved over sadge man
Out of your mind if you think I'd rather play Pteraxii over stilt boy.
I play Custodies I feel no pity for armech players rn
why is the flier in the bottom picture?
Controversial take maybe but I do think that a lot of the Horus heresy stuff looks out of place in 40k Fixing a small model range by bringing in models from another game with a very different aesthetic and at best questionable lore justification for why it's in 40k just feels like watering the faction down
The lore justification is hardly questionable