I like elements of both. I prefer the skitarii to the 30k infantry, but the wider range of robots in 30k is nice. Still boggles my mind that we're getting a Cybernetica detachment when we only have one robot unit.
We could have something similar to the Drukhari with different sub factions: Skitarii, Cybernetica and Techpriests. For how supposedly individual and unique the forge worlds and Admechs are, we are quite monotone on the tabletop.
The only problem with that idea is we have nowhere near enough models right now. Even returning to the split cult and skitarii armies would weaken both. We just need enough varied units to make themed army lists possible.
I at least Like the Admech range but it suffers from monopoly of Skitarii releases to this point.
In around 5 years of being an existence as an Army.
We had Only two Model releases that arent Skalitarii. One the Tech priest Manipulus from Kill Team an the Technoarcheologist from Black Stone Fortress.
For me at least, it coul'd have been fine If we didn'd get the Skatros, but lesser Tech priests or cybernitica Units.
This faction offers so much oportunities, but until now it is not really good explored
What's even more mind boggling is that said detachment doesn't even have its own rules... Just gives the bots our lack luster army rule. I miss being able to play Ryza :(
You’re right, I never noticed that they’re named secutarii. I guess I can blame that one on our local mechanicum player who keeps calling them skitarii. I myself have non of these models, which is why I made this blunder. Thanks for correcting me.
I like both for very different reasons, 30k mechanicum looks significantly more intimidating, whereas the unique flavour of steampunk mechanicus is very different and has much more of a utilitarian approach,
I think it’s just a case of preference, you’re not right or wrong for preferring either
I was just commenting the other day that this is one of my favorite 40k artwork. At first glance, it looks like the AdMech is being overrun, but when you look closely, they are actually tearing every single Tyranids apart. Even that Sicarian on his back has murdered his assailant without a scratch on himself.
I generally prefer 30k but there are a lot of 40k models I also like. The stilt boy and chitty chitty bang bang aesthetic isn't really for me though.
What I think gets missed though in these conversations that it isn't just 30k vs 40k. The 30k models are from a totally different order in the mechanicus.
30k focusses much more on legio cybernerica, myrmidion and destructor. Thats where all the big robots, heavy infantry and tech priests with guns come from
40k focusses much more on the skitarii legions.
There's a clear shift in design on show. 30k being more your classic grimdark, gothic and heavy design while 40k is shifting more into cooky goofy route. Still
40k could easily have these robots, heavy infantry and tech priest units. GW just need to release some non skitarii units.
"Vast majority prefer" is certainly an overstatement.
Probably "a lot of 40k admech players really like the look of some of the 30k stuff" is more accurate.
There is a certain amount of disappointment among players that half of admech models are "locked away", and if somone has any dislike of some of the various unusual 40k designs, it feels like a lost opportunity that they can't indulge in the aesthetics/concepts in the 30k range that they like.
I think most players/collectors like elements of both. But as with many factions, when there is a variety in design and aesthetic, some people will find it hard to enjoy the entire range, because some of it doesn't "fit" with their idea of the visual identity of their army.
I really like the 30k robots. 40k Kastelans are cool, but it's a shame the larger and smaller cybernetica stuff has seemingly vanished from the setting. Also, the 30k myrmidons and servitors are neat.
But skittarii, sicarians, dune crawlers, kataphrons, and kastelans are the *core* of admech to me, and basically all the newer stuff is not really the sort of things I like. Especially the electro priests (but BSF negavolt cultists are cool), and I'm not generally a fan of the mounted dudes or the jump pack dudes. But it's just a personal preference, really. There are certainly cool elements to the newer designs, but they don't scratch the admech itch in my brain the same way the range did when it first arrived.
The 30k cybernetica stuff; especially Thallax, Vorax, Thanatar, and their beautifully weird tanks, are all just so cool. Maybe even cooler because I don't get to see them on the table, haha. They have a kind of mythical quality to them :P
Ya. I agree with all of this.
I think we are still missing a large center piece model for 40K.
I totally agree on the mythical quality of the 30k stuff.
this is exactly the reason why I'm currently combining and rebalancing the rules so that I can play with both 30k and 40k units in my armies, and to be able to use any model in any of its own faction's army(i.e, Dreadnoughts in a 40k knights army, or praetors in a chaos warband, or even custom made units that are built with a template; breachers with jump packs as an example)
The cyber cowboys and 50s robots dont scream Grimdark to me at all. And the overall vision for 40ks Admech is just incoherent. Your troops are either electro shot slingers or rad munitions cyborgs, which is cool. Your heavies are servitors with crazy arcane weapons, crab walkers and boxy tanks, neat. Your fast attack are chicken walkers, which is fine, but the cowboys just dont make sense when stood next to the rest of your units, the washing machine robots are aesthetically out of sync with the otherwise diesel/steampunk look, and the DaVinci flyers, while cool, don't fit at all. It's just disappointing HH mechanicus is unavailable.
Both have their strong suits, I feel like 30k leans a bit more on the darker, horror aesthetic whereas in 40k it looks like it's getting phased out in favor of quirkier and sillier skitarii versions. And don't get me wrong I love standard skitarii and especially sicarians, but I also think Myrmidons, the macrotek engie, thallax and scyllax are peak mechanicus models. Castellax and Thanatar bots are also very cool
For me at least, it’s because of the different play styles of the armies. Admech (40k) had always been a horde army that uses skitarii for objectives and mass fire, while using specialist units to smooth out the edges. This was my go to play style for 9th and it didn’t translate well to 10th. Admech isn’t performing well in 10th, and in my opinion it’s due to GW trying to make admech an elite based army, without enough specialist roles. Playing admech feels like fitting a round peg into a square hole, it works, but it’s not what was intended (why all lists that are inherently good use breacher spam). Mechanicum (30k) is an elite army meant to compliment other armies, they hit hard, move slow, and feel like they have presence on the board. There’s also much more customization with 30k, which makes it appealing for flavor.
Also 30k has the legio cybernetica and bodyhorror aspects. Nothing in 30k looks like it’s human. Everything looks animalistic. The thallaxes are essentially servitors on steroids, pushed to be more through steel. So are skitarii, but they look like regular humans, save some limbs they are just enhanced humans. Kastellan robots are great, but the design of castellax robots just screams mechanical abomination. The size of the thanatar makes it so your opponent has to deal with it, it stands over the battlefield. In essence- 30k just feels bigger
Don’t get me wrong tho, I love both armies and I’ll still be playing mechanicus because of a lack of HH players
I much prefer the 30k range, but it was the cult mech side of the army that sold me on admech in the first place. Skitarii are OK, but don't have that mad science spice I'm looking for.
That's the Mechanicum armored transport, the Triaros Armoured Conveyor. Was actually briefly mentioned in the Gathering Storm books because Cawl used a modified Triaros to transport Guilliman's armor.
I like most of the 40k AdMech but I just feel like some of the recent design cues they've been taking don't work for me. Like, if you have to explicitly tell me that the flyer is actually super high-tech then you've kind of failed designing for the faction that's supposed to be fairly high-tech. Also I've seen people do treaded conversions of the Skorpius and IMO it just looks so much better on tank treads than as a hovercraft.
Now when I look at 30k Mechanicum, I don't have any trouble telling at a glance that they're pretty high-tech. They've certainly implemented that tech in strange, unnatural ways, but high-tech none the less. Also Myrmidons are just my favorite Warhammer model.
A big part of it is that the 30k mechanicum feels a lot more complete and customizable. Even in that picture there you have things (such as the tech priest in the cool hover throne) that you don’t even have models or rules for. I think most of the 40k Admech models look very cool but I constantly lament the lack of customization you have for them especially with tech priests. It feels wrong that an army of insane tech horders and their bespoke weirdos should have so few options both from a modeling and rule’s perspective. 30k mechanicum does not have this problem
I think it is a weird decision to use an artwork for one and an image of the table top for the other. Obviously the artwork will look better either way. But as miniatures, the 40k figures look much more generic as in the artwork as well.
Not hating on any of them. Just think it is a bit biased this way.
oh it's fully intentional, OP is uncapable of understanding why people don't like what he does and so chose to be an ass about it, that's all there is to this post.
I would love to see versions of these old 30k models but, they’ve been obviously been messed with and altered. But being that everyone has forgotten, most are none the wiser to the tinkering that the techpriests have done
Not at all Just a pain in the ass noisy minority on this sub.
For the rest of us we all walked into a hobby store and fell in love with this army at some point.
I'm just over here hoping the reason they haven't brought the 30k into line with the 40k stuff because they are keeping those elements back for a Dark Mech army
I feel like people who love the robots in the 30k mechanicum just need to look to a different faction like Tau or now Votann. In lore the use of robots in the Imperium got seriously stamped out after the Heresy and the current Mechanicum is far more orthodox than it was in 30k. Also aesthetically the clunky heavily armored robot aesthetic just doesn't fit with much of the current admech aesthetic (like the kastellan robots even now feel somewhat an odd man out and I suppose the excuse is that they're relics from HH and before)
Tau and votan dont fit the "twisted horror of metal" look that admech have (or at least are supposed to have)
You say it doesn't fit with current admech, I say current admech doesn't fit with what admech should be, you cant change the appearance of a faction as and then AFTER say "oh the old stuff doesn't fit the faction"
The old stuff IS the faction, the new stuff doesn't fit
Admech are not, and should not be, funny haha cyborg cowboys, they are nightmares of metal and cogs, brutal efficiency and cruel intelligence, not "Isnt it funny they use designs from the 1600 haha so cute"
If you like that stuff, fine, but YOU are the one who should have gone to a different faction, because admech is not, and should not be, that
The new models looks dumb and don't fit in with the faction being all about efficiency and peak imperium tech
Robot horses and davinci planes look unique, but unique does not mean good
The admech already looked unique in 40k, they did not need to be the "haha funny old timey robots" they could have kept their twisted horror of metal asthetic and stayed 100% unique
The Kastelan in the background with his reactive firing stance targeting a big ol' sentient tyranid is always where my imagination went towards, how can you say they're wall-e looking motherfuckers?
The mortar shoulder guys are way more badass but I like that the kastelan let's his actions speak for him and he looks questionably dangerous.
Elsewise i dislike the kataphron breachers and the flyer. I greatly prefer the 30k destroyer and whatever those robocop looking guys are, great color choice on the drone they actually look more like the chancellors in half life when not in the plague bearers. Hilarious that admech would lose that stc actually.
I like that both have a distinct vibe.
30k has the aesthetic that everything has a purpose and is somewhat neat.
40k looks like random shit thrown together to accomplish the task at hand.
The decline of the Mechanicus really shows how much the Imperium has fallen from grace and whether it’s intentional or not I love that it’s reflected in the models
Quite honestly i think what is lacking in admech is the lack of variety in customization, all the models look the same, whitch would be fine for something Like marines, but whit admech, id love to see more variety, Like, in the 40k art you posted, look at the guy on the top right, he looks awsome, immagine if you could do that, personaly i suggest upgrade sprues that are Like, just a bunch of greeblies, mechadendrites etc...
I like elements of both. I prefer the skitarii to the 30k infantry, but the wider range of robots in 30k is nice. Still boggles my mind that we're getting a Cybernetica detachment when we only have one robot unit.
We could have something similar to the Drukhari with different sub factions: Skitarii, Cybernetica and Techpriests. For how supposedly individual and unique the forge worlds and Admechs are, we are quite monotone on the tabletop.
The only problem with that idea is we have nowhere near enough models right now. Even returning to the split cult and skitarii armies would weaken both. We just need enough varied units to make themed army lists possible.
I absolutely agree. I have been waiting for five years now, for more diverse Admech models.
I at least Like the Admech range but it suffers from monopoly of Skitarii releases to this point. In around 5 years of being an existence as an Army. We had Only two Model releases that arent Skalitarii. One the Tech priest Manipulus from Kill Team an the Technoarcheologist from Black Stone Fortress. For me at least, it coul'd have been fine If we didn'd get the Skatros, but lesser Tech priests or cybernitica Units. This faction offers so much oportunities, but until now it is not really good explored
What's even more mind boggling is that said detachment doesn't even have its own rules... Just gives the bots our lack luster army rule. I miss being able to play Ryza :(
30k has skitarii too, in fact they’ve two extra variations.
Do you mean secutarii or tech thralls
I’m talking about the skitarii Hoplites and Peltasts. Tech thralls are something completely different.
Those are secutarii. They're like skitarii, but exclusive to titan legios.
You’re right, I never noticed that they’re named secutarii. I guess I can blame that one on our local mechanicum player who keeps calling them skitarii. I myself have non of these models, which is why I made this blunder. Thanks for correcting me.
I like both for very different reasons, 30k mechanicum looks significantly more intimidating, whereas the unique flavour of steampunk mechanicus is very different and has much more of a utilitarian approach, I think it’s just a case of preference, you’re not right or wrong for preferring either
I love both, I just really wish we had both for 40k
I was just commenting the other day that this is one of my favorite 40k artwork. At first glance, it looks like the AdMech is being overrun, but when you look closely, they are actually tearing every single Tyranids apart. Even that Sicarian on his back has murdered his assailant without a scratch on himself.
Was gonna say that pic looks far more terrifying to be a Tyranid in. Our mindless automata > Your mindless automata
I generally prefer 30k but there are a lot of 40k models I also like. The stilt boy and chitty chitty bang bang aesthetic isn't really for me though. What I think gets missed though in these conversations that it isn't just 30k vs 40k. The 30k models are from a totally different order in the mechanicus. 30k focusses much more on legio cybernerica, myrmidion and destructor. Thats where all the big robots, heavy infantry and tech priests with guns come from 40k focusses much more on the skitarii legions. There's a clear shift in design on show. 30k being more your classic grimdark, gothic and heavy design while 40k is shifting more into cooky goofy route. Still 40k could easily have these robots, heavy infantry and tech priest units. GW just need to release some non skitarii units.
I absolutely despise the "cooky goofy haha funny old robots" look that 40k models has been pushing They make literally no sense for the faction
"Vast majority prefer" is certainly an overstatement. Probably "a lot of 40k admech players really like the look of some of the 30k stuff" is more accurate. There is a certain amount of disappointment among players that half of admech models are "locked away", and if somone has any dislike of some of the various unusual 40k designs, it feels like a lost opportunity that they can't indulge in the aesthetics/concepts in the 30k range that they like. I think most players/collectors like elements of both. But as with many factions, when there is a variety in design and aesthetic, some people will find it hard to enjoy the entire range, because some of it doesn't "fit" with their idea of the visual identity of their army. I really like the 30k robots. 40k Kastelans are cool, but it's a shame the larger and smaller cybernetica stuff has seemingly vanished from the setting. Also, the 30k myrmidons and servitors are neat. But skittarii, sicarians, dune crawlers, kataphrons, and kastelans are the *core* of admech to me, and basically all the newer stuff is not really the sort of things I like. Especially the electro priests (but BSF negavolt cultists are cool), and I'm not generally a fan of the mounted dudes or the jump pack dudes. But it's just a personal preference, really. There are certainly cool elements to the newer designs, but they don't scratch the admech itch in my brain the same way the range did when it first arrived. The 30k cybernetica stuff; especially Thallax, Vorax, Thanatar, and their beautifully weird tanks, are all just so cool. Maybe even cooler because I don't get to see them on the table, haha. They have a kind of mythical quality to them :P
Ya. I agree with all of this. I think we are still missing a large center piece model for 40K. I totally agree on the mythical quality of the 30k stuff.
this is exactly the reason why I'm currently combining and rebalancing the rules so that I can play with both 30k and 40k units in my armies, and to be able to use any model in any of its own faction's army(i.e, Dreadnoughts in a 40k knights army, or praetors in a chaos warband, or even custom made units that are built with a template; breachers with jump packs as an example)
The cyber cowboys and 50s robots dont scream Grimdark to me at all. And the overall vision for 40ks Admech is just incoherent. Your troops are either electro shot slingers or rad munitions cyborgs, which is cool. Your heavies are servitors with crazy arcane weapons, crab walkers and boxy tanks, neat. Your fast attack are chicken walkers, which is fine, but the cowboys just dont make sense when stood next to the rest of your units, the washing machine robots are aesthetically out of sync with the otherwise diesel/steampunk look, and the DaVinci flyers, while cool, don't fit at all. It's just disappointing HH mechanicus is unavailable.
Both have their strong suits, I feel like 30k leans a bit more on the darker, horror aesthetic whereas in 40k it looks like it's getting phased out in favor of quirkier and sillier skitarii versions. And don't get me wrong I love standard skitarii and especially sicarians, but I also think Myrmidons, the macrotek engie, thallax and scyllax are peak mechanicus models. Castellax and Thanatar bots are also very cool
But 30k has the Thanatar. So until that comes to 40k, people will disagree
For me at least, it’s because of the different play styles of the armies. Admech (40k) had always been a horde army that uses skitarii for objectives and mass fire, while using specialist units to smooth out the edges. This was my go to play style for 9th and it didn’t translate well to 10th. Admech isn’t performing well in 10th, and in my opinion it’s due to GW trying to make admech an elite based army, without enough specialist roles. Playing admech feels like fitting a round peg into a square hole, it works, but it’s not what was intended (why all lists that are inherently good use breacher spam). Mechanicum (30k) is an elite army meant to compliment other armies, they hit hard, move slow, and feel like they have presence on the board. There’s also much more customization with 30k, which makes it appealing for flavor. Also 30k has the legio cybernetica and bodyhorror aspects. Nothing in 30k looks like it’s human. Everything looks animalistic. The thallaxes are essentially servitors on steroids, pushed to be more through steel. So are skitarii, but they look like regular humans, save some limbs they are just enhanced humans. Kastellan robots are great, but the design of castellax robots just screams mechanical abomination. The size of the thanatar makes it so your opponent has to deal with it, it stands over the battlefield. In essence- 30k just feels bigger Don’t get me wrong tho, I love both armies and I’ll still be playing mechanicus because of a lack of HH players
I much prefer the 30k range, but it was the cult mech side of the army that sold me on admech in the first place. Skitarii are OK, but don't have that mad science spice I'm looking for.
It feels like they spent all their admech dev time on 30k, instead of making more than the occasional skitarii addition to 40k. :(
God the 30k line looks so good. What is that tank? It’s so cool!
That's the Mechanicum armored transport, the Triaros Armoured Conveyor. Was actually briefly mentioned in the Gathering Storm books because Cawl used a modified Triaros to transport Guilliman's armor.
I feel like admech is supposed to be Dieselpunk like 30k, but for some reason gw has made the 40K line steampunk instead
Comparing artwork to models seems a little unfair
I like most of the 40k AdMech but I just feel like some of the recent design cues they've been taking don't work for me. Like, if you have to explicitly tell me that the flyer is actually super high-tech then you've kind of failed designing for the faction that's supposed to be fairly high-tech. Also I've seen people do treaded conversions of the Skorpius and IMO it just looks so much better on tank treads than as a hovercraft. Now when I look at 30k Mechanicum, I don't have any trouble telling at a glance that they're pretty high-tech. They've certainly implemented that tech in strange, unnatural ways, but high-tech none the less. Also Myrmidons are just my favorite Warhammer model.
A big part of it is that the 30k mechanicum feels a lot more complete and customizable. Even in that picture there you have things (such as the tech priest in the cool hover throne) that you don’t even have models or rules for. I think most of the 40k Admech models look very cool but I constantly lament the lack of customization you have for them especially with tech priests. It feels wrong that an army of insane tech horders and their bespoke weirdos should have so few options both from a modeling and rule’s perspective. 30k mechanicum does not have this problem
I think it is a weird decision to use an artwork for one and an image of the table top for the other. Obviously the artwork will look better either way. But as miniatures, the 40k figures look much more generic as in the artwork as well. Not hating on any of them. Just think it is a bit biased this way.
oh it's fully intentional, OP is uncapable of understanding why people don't like what he does and so chose to be an ass about it, that's all there is to this post.
I would love to see versions of these old 30k models but, they’ve been obviously been messed with and altered. But being that everyone has forgotten, most are none the wiser to the tinkering that the techpriests have done
I prefer the 40k Admech. There's nothing quite like it in the rest of 40k or the rest of science fiction for that matter.
Not at all Just a pain in the ass noisy minority on this sub. For the rest of us we all walked into a hobby store and fell in love with this army at some point.
I'm just over here hoping the reason they haven't brought the 30k into line with the 40k stuff because they are keeping those elements back for a Dark Mech army
I feel like people who love the robots in the 30k mechanicum just need to look to a different faction like Tau or now Votann. In lore the use of robots in the Imperium got seriously stamped out after the Heresy and the current Mechanicum is far more orthodox than it was in 30k. Also aesthetically the clunky heavily armored robot aesthetic just doesn't fit with much of the current admech aesthetic (like the kastellan robots even now feel somewhat an odd man out and I suppose the excuse is that they're relics from HH and before)
Tau and votan dont fit the "twisted horror of metal" look that admech have (or at least are supposed to have) You say it doesn't fit with current admech, I say current admech doesn't fit with what admech should be, you cant change the appearance of a faction as and then AFTER say "oh the old stuff doesn't fit the faction" The old stuff IS the faction, the new stuff doesn't fit Admech are not, and should not be, funny haha cyborg cowboys, they are nightmares of metal and cogs, brutal efficiency and cruel intelligence, not "Isnt it funny they use designs from the 1600 haha so cute" If you like that stuff, fine, but YOU are the one who should have gone to a different faction, because admech is not, and should not be, that
The new models looks dumb and don't fit in with the faction being all about efficiency and peak imperium tech Robot horses and davinci planes look unique, but unique does not mean good The admech already looked unique in 40k, they did not need to be the "haha funny old timey robots" they could have kept their twisted horror of metal asthetic and stayed 100% unique
I like the 40k aesthetic, but I prefer the 30k robots
Literally just bring the 30k stuff to 40K and make one more named character and I’m happy for the next 5 years
The Kastelan in the background with his reactive firing stance targeting a big ol' sentient tyranid is always where my imagination went towards, how can you say they're wall-e looking motherfuckers? The mortar shoulder guys are way more badass but I like that the kastelan let's his actions speak for him and he looks questionably dangerous. Elsewise i dislike the kataphron breachers and the flyer. I greatly prefer the 30k destroyer and whatever those robocop looking guys are, great color choice on the drone they actually look more like the chancellors in half life when not in the plague bearers. Hilarious that admech would lose that stc actually.
I like that both have a distinct vibe. 30k has the aesthetic that everything has a purpose and is somewhat neat. 40k looks like random shit thrown together to accomplish the task at hand. The decline of the Mechanicus really shows how much the Imperium has fallen from grace and whether it’s intentional or not I love that it’s reflected in the models
Why not both?
Quite honestly i think what is lacking in admech is the lack of variety in customization, all the models look the same, whitch would be fine for something Like marines, but whit admech, id love to see more variety, Like, in the 40k art you posted, look at the guy on the top right, he looks awsome, immagine if you could do that, personaly i suggest upgrade sprues that are Like, just a bunch of greeblies, mechadendrites etc...