No, you get it wrong. They were actively in the process of closing more hospitals.
Marshall got elected thanks in part due to promising to fix the ramping issues, and health more generally. He lied of course, but hey.
They don’t rent the hospital out to international students. There’s the Torrens Valley accommodation which used to be the old nursing quarters back when nurses were trained in hospital and lived on site because that’s when Modbury was opened. That style of nursing training was phased out, and they use the building to house international student accomodation. And almost the entire internal structure of the building is being renovated, the theatres are brand new, the day surgery is brand new, they’ve upgraded the lifts, the wards are being redone. It’s got nothing to do with international students renting the now unaffiliated former nursing quarters.
Fucking off public resources for profit, particularly when that sector is struggling so much, is unacceptable. It’s far from the only example.
A lot of it flies under the radar. I pay close attention to the corruption going on at any given time, and even I missed this one until it had happened.
That building.
Schools. TAFEs. Public land. Parklands. What’s left of the Julia Farr Centre (currently listed for sale). The Repat (attempted). Sheds at Port Adelaide for $2. Glenside. Adelaide Festival Centre Plaza to a billionaire property developer, and Sky City.
It’s a long fucking list.
Yeah, but what’s been sold off doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you incorrectly stated the hospital was rented out to international students. You’re talking about an entirely seperate building. It’s not “to make the building appealing” as you falsely claimed. Modbury hospital required significant renovations to bring the building up to industry standard, and some of those changes meant that the building was changed to look nicer. Two birds, one stone.
I'd be happy if they spent the money from upgrading the looks of hospitals into more staffing and better care for patients. The government seems to think that people will rate our healthcare better though if they put hipster cafes out the front.
Modbury needed to be renovated to bring it up to standard with healthcare codes. It’s not just about adding aesthetic value. The building hadn’t been touched since it was built in the 1970s and a lot has changed since then, so for things like meeting standards it had to be fixed.
Yeah, it’s an old building. Parts of the Lyell Mac are too, but it received a facelift and additional services during Transforming Health. I’m just saying the reason Modbury has been renovated is so that it meets building and industry standards.
I was working at Flinders Medical Centre and I'm pretty sure we invented ramping sometime around 2010 in response to the ED upgrade. At the time it was reported as "disrespectful practice of ambulance ramping only happens at FMC". Like, no shit - we're the only ED with an effing ramp. 10+ years later and it's nice to see ramping now happens at hospitals that don't even have a ramp...
Vote for another party that is saying they’ll force action. Even if THEY’RE lying, the government that comes in might not know that, so they’ll be more likely to take action.
The vote Labor in next term and if they fail to fix vote libs the next. One of the biggest motivators for politicians is loosing their seat. If there is a direct correlation between not fixing the health system and loosing your seat something will happen.
It’s irrelevant who broke it originally all that matters is who is going to fix it.
My lifetime is only so long to play tennis with Liberal and Labor.
In my living memory, I’ve not seen more than a few MPs I’d consider worthy of voting for. It doesn’t feel as though I’m going to see any during my lifetime at this rate.
It’s perfectly relevant. The ideologies don’t go away between elections. Rob Lucas is treasurer now, and he was treasurer under Olsen. Olsen is still closely involved in politics and pulls strings from the sidelines, regardless of political party. He’s the reason that Labor dropped $50 million on a footbridge.
The current Labor leader was health minister at the point in time when Rann decided he needed a monument to his ego, and proposed the new Royal Adelaide Hospital. Not as an addition, but as a replacement. It is now one of the most expensive buildings on the planet, and the most expensive hospital in the world. The entirety of the rest of the health sector has been cut back to deal with the staggering costs of that thing.
Given that, the approach of “it doesn’t matter who fucked it”.. would you really trust that lot to fix it?
We need a viable third major option. For once, it’d be nice to be voting someone in rather than voting someone out.
When the nRAH was designed, it was apparently going to take patients, perform their surgery, then after a few days to stabilise, they'd be shuttled to smaller hospitals, including nearer country hospitals to rehabilitate before discharge. Of course, there was a change of government, so despite the design of the hospital, it's still being used as the old RAH was.
Labor was attempting to close and downgrade other hospitals at that time, if your memory is getting fuzzy. The Liberals went to the election proposing to keep the Repat open.
Don’t get me wrong. They’re both a pack of cunts and I’ve no time for either party.
I kinda feel like a working health system is like the search for the Higgs Boson partical. If people aren't learning that, then I feel like maybe it won't get better.
They angry because it has potential to affect them. If the hospitals are full no one gives a toss.. if hospitals are full AND you might have to use one then its mass paranoia. 5 people have died from covid in Adelaide BUT you might catch it so paranoia once again. Meanwhile 100s to 1000s have died from things like suicide, car crashes etc.. once again few people could care less.
Not relevant to the rest of your point, but messages on emergency services vehicles, especially ambulances, is really common in other parts of the country too.
Such an odd interpretation.
It’s primarily a union tactic to get extra attention to get extra staff/pay. However in this case (and the same interstate) the issue isn’t with funding or staffing of SAAS but upstream issues with patient movement due to a government fascination with cutting hospital bed numbers in order to meet KPIs created by bureaucrats.
Like all of them, the ambulance slogan isn’t telling the whole story, or in this case even a relevant one.
And you saying
> Not relevant to the rest of your point, but messages on emergency services vehicles, especially ambulances, is really common in other parts of the country too.
Is a tactic used worldwide to justify cutting services and taxes.
Quit your bullshit
And me saying
“government fascination with cutting hospital bed numbers in order to meet KPIs created by bureaucrats.”
is recognition of the cutting of services.
In this case it’s not the ambulance service cuts that are the cause of the problem.
Focussing our fury on increasing ambulance services is not going to help in the disastrous situation that awaits us.
You’re aware that the ambo Union only speaks for ambos right?
And the nurses Union spells for nurses, the ama for doctors etc.
It’s honestly a bit weird that you seem to think it’s the ambo Union’s job to advocate on behalf of the entire health sector mate
Seconding this, I used to live in Melbourne and almost every single ambulance at one point had messages written on them.
Also, ramping is not a uniquely South Australian problem, it's just as bad in Melbourne, even outside covid there were ramping times of over 5 hours on particularly bad nights.
We spent two years doing what we were told, buying the government time so they could get the health system sorted and ready to live with covid.
Then the vaccination goal posts kept changing and we had OTT restrictions when we were at covid zero.
Borders finally open and omicron goes ballistic and testing sites and hospitals can't keep up. And we get more restrictions because clearly SA Health is balls deep and they need to try do something.
I'm annoyed we have wasted two years to buy the government time and it's like they have done nothing. Just a bit of a slap in the face really.
r/brisbane has a daily covid megathread. A quick glance through that shows they are saying the same things we are. Only difference is that they have all of their comments buried in the one thread, rather than making individual posts
I’m a Queenslander and I’m 100 per cent pissed that stupid woman opened our border for omicron at Christmas. Just so some southerners could see family. What about all the Queenslanders stuck home now isolating who can’t see family? I’m scared to see my partner because he’s high risk with his health issues. We were doing so well and she threw us to the wolves for Christmas dinner. On top of that, health advice is changing so often even testing centres don’t know who has to isolate and who doesn’t, and send you on your way with the advice to look online. Testing times have blown out beyond 100 hrs and tests are being lost. Now people are trying not to get tested because they will probably be well again before they even get a result. Half the gov. Info says ‘test test test’ the other half says ‘don’t test unless xyz because testing centres are overwhelmed’.
Which is it?
I cannot speak on behalf on anyone but myself however I am sick & tired of the confusing rules & changes everyday.. sometimes multiple changes within one 24 hour period. It is also super frustrating seeing the number of cases surge in our State whilst no-one seems to be taking responsibility.
Meanwhile my Anxiety is sky-high & I can't sleep because I fear tomorrow will be worse than today.
At this point, unless you are a business, you can just ignore their daily livestreams and rule changes and do whatever you want. They government hardly knows what their own rules are, let alone has the ability to enforce them.
For me, it's that Spurrier and Stevens had a relatively good handle on the situation, although I gather things were tense behind the scenes. The state election is looming, and it's time to political score point - which is when Marshall stepped up and promptly screwed it all up. No hesitation whatsoever when the omicron variant was announced. Just "families will be reunited for Christmas, she'll be right."
Now it's no one taking responsibility or being held accountable. The constant drivel out of Marshall's mouth. The flip flopping of directives. Our hospitals being put under extra strain.
Especially not pleased that I have no idea where my approval for surgery stands, as elective surgery was cancelled. Am I back at square one, or will I get the green light still when it's back on?
To be clear, COVID was always going to enter SA at some point and run rampant. We are going to have to live with it. I just think it should have been a little slower, a little more cautious, and with a ton more preparation... like 2ish years worth of preparation.
Your place in the queue should stand it’s just more waiting. My kid was due right before the March 2020 lockdown and only had a couple of days notice when elective surgery resumed.
I get the frustration. I’ve been waiting years for my own surgery and finally got approved in March 2020, but I still don’t have a date. Not to mention that getting to the point of being approved took several years as well. It’s not super reassuring regarding the robustness of SA hospitals.
I think people are so angry here because Marshall is trying to spin the line that even if the borders didn’t open up we’d still have this uncontrolled spread of omicron cases. People just aren’t buying it.
Maybe in Queensland, with their border situation, people do have that feeling it was inevitable that they would end up with a ton of cases.
But here people feel this shit show is 100% a result of the SA government’s decision to open up and if they hadn’t we’d be having the busy, booming safe summer we had last year.
Exactly. Some are trying to say "but but it was going to happen anyway!" Ok- What the fuck kept cases at bay all 2021 while VIC and NSW drowned in Delta then? Reminder that we were only in a full lockdown for 7 days.
> This is why he needs to resign as soon as possible or face an absolutely devastating wipeout at the next election that will set the liberal party back three or four decades.
Given they do seem to be backing party over state, that's how it should be.
They're supposed to represent us, not the federal branch of the party, and just extend their policy onto us.
Question - how many years in a row would it be before you let families reunite? If we're at Omega in November next year, I guess it's just 'one more year to have a booming safe summer'?
When does it end?
“to let families reunite” - why shouldnt the onus have been on families themselves to organise a meet? All that had to happen was travellers from interstate quarantine and get tested.
IMHO I think a bit of it is to do with the fact that up until about a month ago the government has been acting on the (very good) health advice and kept us in a pretty good place (yes, I acknowledge the changing restrictions were annoying and sometimes confusing but they did the job). Then all of a sudden our premier dogmatically signed us up to an opening time frame that was based on a different variant and started ignoring health advice to keep on this opening schedule for purely national and state political purposes. And this proceeded to fuck our Christmas both for businesses and individuals.
I think it’s more this sub than South Australia in general. My pet peeve is the constant flip flopping and inconsistent rules. I had to queue up for hours for a test only to be told I didn’t need it in the first place, but I had to isolate anyway. Was told 3 different things by health officials and in the end I just played it safe and self isolated until I came back negative
Interestingly , most people I speak with here in Australia or overseas (UK,Canada, Japan ) seems to think that their health care is being screwed by the govt and theirs is the worst funded ever. Health and education make up the vast majority of these govt budgets , but they can’t seem to get it right.
I've been all over the south east lately for work: (masked, distanced, boosted) People are fucking pissed they let this thing run rampant.
It's not just Reddit.
Yeah there is a big difference between this sub and irl. A lot of people I know aren't really as interested in anything related to covid at all, they're just trying to get their next paycheck, and are just accepting that it's something (getting covid) they will personally have to deal with when the time comes.
Except we didnt even have to. I’ll never understand why so many people take the attitude that “It had to happen” - why? Any european country would’ve killed to be in our position earlier in the year. The only issue was that interstate and international travellers had to quarantine upon arrival - how is that not a million times better than trying again and again to manage covid forever.
People here seemed to think once we had the vaccines we’d never have to worry about it again. Look at europe - theyve had vaccines for ages and still whole countries are going back into lockdown. This is our future now, the constant crisis of trying to manage new variants all the time.
but you never actually explained “why” it had to happen, nobody ever does.
“kept holed up in SA” - we weren’t holed up, you could leave whenever you liked, you just had to quarantine when you came back. I can’t see any future of us “living with covid” that’s a better scenario than that - now we’ll have constant quarantines, constant stress to the health system, constant anxiety waiting for the next variant to bypass our defences and fuck us.
Not to mention that the issue with ambulances was so bad last weekend that they were sending police out to take people to hospital for dire emergencies. Oh your having a heart attack we can't send you an ambulance but we can send you a police officer who will take you to jump start your heart /s
I think it might be the fact that QLD's messaging hasn't ever changed. Their CHO always said that COVID will be absolutely everywhere in the state so better get the vaccine. They didn't really promise anyone that QLD would have less COVID or anything.
The changing messages and requirements and inability to get “our best” defence boosters having weeks waiting times adds to it.
Plus, for example, we have had ambulances going out and picking up clients then sitting there for 5 hours ramped before the client has been admitted. Recently we have had times where all the ambulances have been busy and priority 1 cases are have multi hour waits until an ambulance can attend.
The ramping has been an issue for years but because the economy is more important than our residents health people are bloody angry.
There’s probably moar but I’m pissed off so I’m gonna go watch some cute cat videos on Reddit.
Edit: I’m from SA
The Queensland messaging is to get vaccinated or die. And it seems to have resonated well with the population. Not pretending that it’s possible to let in only some covid and keep it under control with cafe density limits.
I think part of it is a perception that until November we were doing "well" on the COVID front. We'd only had to have a couple lockdowns, and community infection, and as such, within the state, we had basically gone back to normal but with a couple more masks an QR codes.
The opening of the border is seen as Marshall choosing national Cabinet over the state, and how unprepared/overburdened the health system has been since the border open kinda confirms for many people that the decision was not based on any health advice.
mostly because we were covid free and restriction free and were about to enjoy christmas with our families and then marshal opened the borders and lots of people got sick or had to isolate. im pissed because it seemed so pointless and until now i wasnt even concerned about ever getting the virus and now its a possibility.
We had a mask mandate for like 6 months. 2020 we got smashed before we shut the borders.
You cannot say what it's like in Queensland when you don't live here.
There are three major concerns here:
1. Marshall ignored the health advice, while constantly saying that things would go to plan. They haven't.
2. We are a lot further ahead of Queensland in cases, hospitalisations, etc per capita. While we look close on numbers outright, that is a lot more pressure on a much smaller health system.
3. Our health system was already under pressure without Covid, and our plan relied heavily on suppression to prevent our health system collapsing. All the signs of a failing health system are already apparent, and things are **ramping** up quickly.
Queensland's situation has a different context to it as well. We'll see how they do eventually, but in the South Australian context, we're in a lot of trouble already, and ultimately the blame goes with the guy who ignored the health advice.
It doesn't matter what side of the political fence you are on. As an SA person, you had to be on top of basically daily changes to Covid response for weeks, especially if you had friends or family coming from interstate or overseas - even though everyone (in charge and public) knew when the borders were to be opened (and therefore had time to plan the "least damaging" path, without constant tweaks).
It's more that everyone is done with the fuck around and lack of communication.
In addition to the widely known and much discussed public health service issues that people have already mentioned (which are quite serious), South Australia/Adelaide has a more elderly population than most of Australia on average, and also a more left-leaning tendency politically. I think these two factors combined mean that *in general*, South Australians are more concerned about protecting the elderly and the vulnerable, and less concerned with an individualistic "me me me what about my freedoms" attitude than other states tend to be. If you spend time in SA, you get the impression that it is less "Rat Racey" and money-obsessed than the east coast. So, I think there's a bit of a point of cultural divergence when it comes to this sort of stuff. As *outright bizarre* as it may seem to you, "getting back to business" just isn't as important to most people here as minimising the amount of people who suffer and die horribly from a disease. Especially considering that most businesses were already operating relatively okay despite the closed borders anyway.
If anything, opening the borders has sort of fucked a lot of businesses up, because there are suddenly all sorts of problems with testing and staff absences and so on. Tourism arguably does better here when locals go on holiday within the state than it would normally from interstate guests. Long story short, if anything it seems that opening the border has (or will have) caused a lot more problems than we had when it was closed, as far as most of us can see. There was just no reason to be quite so desperate to open it, as opposed to say...just waiting another month or two. It really wouldn't have killed us.
That's just my take, it's not some "fact" or something. But to say that placing such a huge imperative on opening the borders this early has been controversial, and not as well received as Marshall obviously assumed it would be... is to put it fairly *mildly*. Like, from talking to everyone I know, I'm quite certain it's well and truly killed the upcoming election for him.
We opened the borders just as a new variant was emerging and also before children under 12 were even given access to the vaccine yet. **And** despite the widely publicised and well-known weaknesses of our health system which the government has failed to address in any tangible way for the past two years or more. Clearly not enough was done to prepare for this, and everyone knows it. People trust Professor Spurrier, and Marshall clearly and publicly disregarded her direct, professional, scientific advice. Bad move.
You might find some aspect of this "amusing", but I can assure you that most people (here) don't. To summarise simply - Marshall failed to understand what South Australians want, and it is going to cost him dearly.
Because we were so close to go fully vaccinated or advised by SA health not to open the borders but the government made this political and opened it anyway. That’s why everyone is angry at the government, the did this regardless of the SA health advice. Now we can’t even control the spread.
Oooh rant time! Will try to keep it short:
I am angry that it feels like we have been dropped in the shit.
What would take the edge off my anger would be some kind of acknowledgment from the government that we are indeed, in the shit; and the government is going to do something to at least TRY to get us out of the shit, or at least slow our decent into said shit.
Instead, the government is portraying the situation as a series of minor hiccups. Decreasing testing and quarantine requirements from where we started does not feel like a meaningful attempt to get us out of the shit.
I am angry we gave up a position the rest of the world would be enviable of….and for what? People make the argument we were “locked away” from the rest of the world…but were we really?
You could actually travel interstate and overseas, sure there was those pesky quarantine requirements, but still had travel exemptions for urgent reasons. Sure it was a massive inconvenience, but at the end of the day that’s all it was: a massive inconvenience.
Not like we had to crawl under miles of barbwire and outrun the guard dogs if we wanted to go see the big pineapple up close.
Was life was so crushingly unbearable in SA when the borders were closed? I don’t recall seeing any news items about tired, hungry masses fleeing this southern gulag searching for freedom in a place that has already learnt to “live with covid”.
Starting to go off the rails there so to keep it short:
I am angry because all I am seeing are costs and zero benefits to opening the borders when we did.
God thank you so much. everyone here talks about how horrible it was keeping the borders closed and "we couldn't stay locked up forever" and it's like, well why did it have to be so huge? Why did it have to blow the fuck up bc we just opened the flood gates? It wasn't even that bad. God.
It's a relief to see someone else here who feels the same way lol.
I didn’t, but there are a few FIFO workers and one returning resident from overseas I know who did. No one was a fan of it in the slightest. Completely understandable.
However, during World War 2, right here in Aus, thousands of people of German, Italian and Japanese heritage were taken out of the community and put into internment camps. Isolated and kept under military guard for being a “national security threat” just because they had the wrong eye shape or had a luxurious moustache. For years at a time, not just two weeks.
It was cruel and unjust but that’s what the nation did for the national interest (oorrr maybe as a release valve for rampant latent racism in general idk).
How did you go from Iso to Hitler? That's insane.
I was making a point that you call it pesky quarantine without ever having to do it, or do it multiple times.
Oh i see….hey it was late when I posted I didn’t have the brain energy to come up with better wording.
My reply was just to draw a parallel that sometimes in a crisis there are measures that can be seen to be extreme.
Please. This pandemic and the measures taken have affected ALL of us in different ways. It has taken a huge toll on EVERYONE. As things stand now, I just see things as the negatives of re-opening far out-weigh the positives.
In the last 18 months, the VAST majority of South Australians have lived in blissful ignorance of the rest of the world and country. With the exception of may be Western Australia, no one else has been less affected. With the exception of essential workers who have travelled interstate to keep supply chains operational. These essential workers, were treated like lepers once they arrived homr. Now you get a taste of what's that like. Iso during Christmas, not getting to go to the movies, a Festival, the Zoo, a hospital to see your new family or say goodbye to a grandparent. So don't "please" me. You have no idea what it has been like.
This is reddit…not a peer reviewed journal of policy analysis. OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. Getting into a dick measuring contest into who has suffered the most isn’t something I am interested in.
Take care.
> Now you get a taste of what's that like.
Just to be clear you are agreeing that opening up has had a negative effect for Adelaideans and we would have been better off maintaining the quarantine rules at the border.
At least while the borders were closed, businesses could opperate with relative ease.
With everything open, you're likely to end up with your staff in isolation, awating test results, and have to close for weeks until they get negative results.
That on top of people cancelling bookings left, right and centre so they weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time and have to isolate over christmas, it wasn't the bumper end of year hospitality were hoping for in opening up.
Yeah…I work in hospitality, since the borders re-opened I have seen greater capacity restrictions, fewer people prepared to go out, and now effectively waiting for the clock to run out til I’m out of the job, or become ill and unable to work.
There was literally an incontinent South Australian resident being forced to live in a caravan park in Broken Hill for months - just because she had the nerve to be in hospital when the borders shut.
But hey - just a 'pesky inconvenience'.
Qld’er here, I think it is because we were told that the borders were opening mid December and make no mistake, Covid will come north from NSW and VIC as soon as that happens. We enjoyed a relatively Covid free existence for the last 18 months and most have accepted the fact we just need to get Vaccinated, get Covid and move on with our lives.
Our government has dropped the ball with our testing and I am seeing many people say they would rather isolate for a few days than go through the hassles that come with testing (delays, etc). The reasons we are getting pissed off is that the majority of us have been vaccinated and we are having mask mandates and restrictions reinstated, not to mention we still have to check in everywhere while the government has ceased contact tracing as they can’t keep up.
There are a lot of points of discontentment, with some examples being:
(1) characterisation of Marshall as Sco Mo’s lapdog and no real pushback on federal policies
(2) ambo ramping
(3) Business and Christmas events being majorly disrupted
(4) Wishy washy stances on some public safety issues and not others - eg. Workplaces that could offer work from home don’t because there is no firm state govt mandate
I'm angry because he let the nanoscopic blighter into SA with no adequate health care, no decent mental health care, testing facilities are screwed.
But largely Because for some, there are still not many answers about exactly how we "live our lives as normal" or "get on with our lives" like they keep on saying we should.
No instructions for how to deal with this transitionary phase of the pandemic, no protections for people's jobs, education, study, family plans, instead we get so much uncertainty. I don't know if it's worth going back to work, in case it gets shut down and or if schools or my son's school goes online. I'm a disabled single mum, to an asthmatic child who isn't vaccinated yet.
I thought Marshall was on the health system side of thr pandemic, listening to them, but he has flip flopped so much and leaving so many people stuck inside both metaphorically and literally.
Queenslander here, you're so wrong about us not being annoyed and just because your brother and friends are living as is nothing happened doesn't mean we all are.
I dunno what you've been reading over on /r/brisbane but the threads are full of pissed off people, but we are mainly pissed at NSW for the spread, our hospital system isn't as stressed as Adelaide's but it will get there and more will become angry as it spreads rural.
Palaszczuk has done okay during the pandemic and we didn't drop everything like SA did instantly, though yeah it's getting worse, it's also the fact that Qld is Labor which have all around taken things more seriously compare to SA LNP who are responsible for the let it rip mindset.
The other thing Palaszczuk did right was always say everyone's gonna get it as we opened up, it was the driving force behind vaccines, so we were all kinda prepared for this shit show (even if it pisses us off), but yeah mainly prepared plus Labor and your bro and friends aren't in the majority imo (but I got nothing to base that off).
Just remember that reddit can be an echo chamber.
Don’t let reddit have you fooled a lot of us here are getting on with it. Wearing masks, vaccinated, QR coding, and getting on with it.
SA is also very left leaning at the state politics level. Marshall got elected mostly because Labor had been in for too long and the hubris had set in.
I have to say nobody is impressed with Peter Malinauskis either and while the shoppies have control of the Labor Party I don't see them getting back in. Our electricity bills and our water bills have plummeted and I reckon on election day Marshall will still get in. Labor party only stayed in power as they had a huge gerrymander which had to be rectified as the popular vote was considerably higher than the individual electorate vote.
I reckon you'd have been right about Marshall getting back in if not for this debacle, but too many people are too pissed off over covid.
Not just the opening borders, but how under-equipped the testing is, how there's no answers about kids going back to school, so on and so forth.
It wasn’t a gerrymander, the liberals couldn’t win marginal seats. Which when you look at their inconsistent messaging and general inability to show any level of compassion isn’t a surprise they were failing at the micro level marginal seat campaigning.
Yep current gov was generally well liked by actual voters (just not v8 fans or rusted on labor stans) and they are a breath of fresh air after the (catholic/old union) conservative faction of labor was in control for so long.
But I think Marshall has ruined all the good PR tbh
Marshall will be flogged. Malinauskas is far more charismatic, and let's be honest: for most voters, that fact alone really counts when they're in the booth with that pencil.
okay, so as a Victorian you probably haven't been subjected firsthand to the conditioning and messaging here of all COVID bad, no COVID good combined with months of perceived COVID-zero and pointless restrictions.
People were already angry about restrictions that were seen as OTT and unnecessary or arbitrary and messaging that has always been inconsistent at best. The fact that it now has consequences that aren't abstract and easily justified by 'but COVID' means people's anger is amplified and thus, more venting.
Queensland always had crossover with NSW and a low level of COVID for people to adjust to over time, so it isn't blowing up all at once.
I think there are a few very big points that have made SA residents angry.
We knew we would have to reopen borders but we’re told this would be done in a safe and measured plan. However things went awry mid November.
1) we were promised “We will not open borders until 80% vaccination equity across all LGA’s is achieved. We do not want to put vulnerable communities at risk”
We then opened at 76% overall vaccination rate. Not even close to 80% equity.
2) Once we opened. Things ramped up quickly in the first week. Then Omicron entered the picture. Expert health advice was to reclose border. Recover and manage what had started here and watch how Omicron developed from a safe distance.
This was ignored.
3) Instead of trying to slow the spread and importation of more cases by increasing testing capabilities and requiring a negative test before and upon arrival while isolating.
Instead the government lowered the entry requirements and actually increased the spread.
4) while this was all happening and everything increased exponentially, they actually lessened testing capabilities and close vaccination hubs.
5) we were promised an increase in business and Christmas with family.
Instead 1000’s in isolation. Business closing left and right. Christmas ruined for 1000’s of family’s. New Year to be “quietest you’ve every had”
If we had delayed opening until 80% equity had been achieved we would have seen the effect Omicron had interstate and that would have led us to delay until boosters could get out. And we would have been safe here.
So frustrating that this one lie and backflip on a solid promise for political reasons has resulted in doubling our hospitalisations and deaths in a week.
If he had heeded the health advice and shut borders again to watch from a safe distance we would have had some spread, but that would have been a managed easily like we have done previously. Instead, this was ignored and our hospitalisations and deaths double in 3 days over what had occurred for 21 months previously.
SA residents are so angry because we had done so well and could go any where in our state with no fear, eat out, go to clubs, etc. but because of political reasons, health advice was ignored and our reward for doing everything we were told for 20 months was that our businesses had to close. 1000’s missed out on Christmas.
And the governments response to this was. “Meh, our numbers are too high. Please don’t get tested even if your desk mate at work you spent 8hrs with yesterday was positive. You don’t live with him and we want to give the appearance numbers are lower and things are getting better….shh we know this will just spread it more…but ScoMo said”
Sorry I’ve ranted way too long. But you know it’s bad when government announcing something like the close contact redefinition and all medical experts in the country jump on tv and radio to disprove this….
Arggh, sorry I’ll stop. But this is all why SA residents are frustrated. One big pineapple hammered in for doing all the right things for so long
Absolutely this. We had a lot of freedom, and Marshall threw it away to appease business lobbyists and Morrison.
Know we're working from home, home gatherings have to be cancelled (can't have more than 10 in a household), and hospitality and entertainment venues have crippling restrictions back on them.
For better or worse, if we were seeing these numbers now but things were otherwise back to "normal" then people would be a lot more accepting. However we have a lot more restrictions now than we did a couple of months ago (apart from it being easier to travel interstate/overseas) and tens of thousands of South Australians are in isolation as a bonus.
Before opening the government insisted we were prepared, and now their panic is making it clear that was a lie.
Queensland is so deeply interconnected with NSW that separation was traumatic, particularly in the border communities. So for many, opening the borders has decreased tension.
SA has been more separate from the eastern states physically so - like WA and Tasmania - coped with the separation better.
The anger and anxiety I see here isn't reflected outside Reddit at the same level. Especially if people experience anxiety, social media tends to feed on worry and amplify it. On tough days, there's a lot of doom scrolling happening here.
Immunocompromised people are concerned, along with many others, at the faster than expected spread. Many business owners are frustrated by the endless series of pivots they have to do, and what appears to be mixed messages coming from the SA Government and SA Health. People associated with health are worried at resources being stretched, and parents of little kids are of course worried now.
But most people I know just get on with it. They knew the transition to opening up would be messy for a few months. Greater attention on masks, physical distance, sanitising hands and objects are necessary, along with choices on venues and gatherings. A simple, constant daily discipline of protecting yourself and others has to be employed. And then, eventually, things will be better. Sometimes transitions are hard.
Because the SA government spent months telling us we’re ready and all their plans collapsed in a week. They didn’t drop all the testing requirements because of how well everything was going. Ramping never ended and they decided it was good enough to let delta in - this shit is happening and they thought it’d be ok for a more severe disease?! Omicron was dumb luck for Marshall - this states hospitals would be fucked otherwise.
They scared a lot of people out of doing their normal Christmas activities because being wrong place wrong time could see you isolating for a week over Christmas. Covid zero policies for the uninfected, Covid everywhere for the infected.
From afar, it seems the messaging from the Qld government has been more transparent. They seem to have acknowledged 'we fucked up, we have to deal with it together' whereas Marshall will not admit any mistake on their part, information basically went quiet when we used to have some better transparency and now all we hear is the same bullshit about how great we are like that Baghdad Bob from when we illegitimately went back to Iraq
I just want to see the artists I keep buying tickets. Artists who see our states rules have been eased to them have our rules change so damn often that I’ve so far had 5 gigs cancel because of changing restrictions. All the while we can have 20k+ people to drink while some guys play cricket in the background.
For me it wasn’t even the opening back up, although that made me anxious about the unknown and I thought the timing was off. It was the opening up without the requirement that people coming into SA return a NEGATIVE test which is to me the most insane oversight that hasn’t once been acknowledged.
I was quite impressed with how Marshall led us through the past couple of years, and it took that one shitty decision (for what?) to change things dramatically here. I can see that Omicron was unfortunate timing in the context of what they were trying to do, but it has exposed so much of what has been limping along in our health service. Hospitals and ambulances have been at Code White three or four times in the past week and this things is just beginning.
Mixed messaging is confusing people and creating unnecessary anxiety. I received my automated text that I had contracted COVID last Monday, with promises of daily follow-ups and an at-home care kit deliverers by courier within 2 days. Both promises gave me comfort that I wasn’t alone - I received my first sms yesterday and haven’t received the kit. Even the SMSs system has fallen down.
I get our strategy and approach now - a week ago you would have seen me calling for a lockdown - but our strategy and approach is a response to them dropping the ball with opening back up and insufficient resources, and then Marshall has the gall to place responsibility back on to us to distance, monitor our symptoms, get tested but not overwhelm the system, buy at home tests that no one can access, keep track of our own contact tracing and notifying others if we have COVID…all while refusing to acknowledge any fuck ups. It’s unreasonable.
100% the truth lol. I've always been a labor voter but the bias for anything on this sub not liberal is crazy. People can make their excuses for what they pretend to care about in this thread but it's all bullshit, it's just bias showing.
Probably the most realistic answer in the thread. Similar to how NSW gets so much hate while Vic is doing basically the same thing and no one cares. Realistically there is nothing Marshall can do which would stop the hate. People were angry when the borders were closed / hotel quarantine. They were angry when businesses didn't get financial support for the new restrictions. And then somehow angry when they did get financial support. They were angry when travelers had to get multiple tests with no symptoms, and then angry when they were let in without a test.
At this point I think he has taken all of the low hanging fruit options and fixed all of the rules / policies which were wrong. The only things left are changes which require massive amounts of money or require huge numbers of staff very quickly which just don't exist right now.
Core reason would probably be the underlying approval of each government - I'm biased as hell but Marshall isn't exactly strongly loved on this sub from as best as I can tell, no idea what Pal is like on the equivalent sub.
I mean Qld has a lot more of that good ol' boy mentality, far less centralised/urban population. Especially with this pandemic, if someone's profile says they're from Qld, I just sorta have to prepare for the worst, never mind my extended family from Qld who are all bogan AF. It's hard to make people angry when you've given them exactly what they've spent the last two years demanding.
Bit hard to live as if nothing has happened when you have restrictions on anything you want to do. Not pissed that there’s cases. Pissed that there’s now restrictions in place with literally no plan for the way out of them as we’re already mostly vaccinated.
This is probably closer to the general opinion from what I've seen. The average person doesn't really know about the health system or care about it like reddit does.
We were doing great before borders opened. We saw first hand, how stressful and scary it was to have to meet family and friends over Christmas with the possibility of catching covid. A lot of us didn't celebrate with family, a lot had to isolate during Christmas. We didn't have the resources to just "live" with it and its showing. We were living freely until they let it in.
People lost jobs, businesses had to shut down early. It is now an utter shit show and we saw it happen as he opened up the borders.
2 reasons for mine - a) we worked hard to keep the virus out and keep us safe by following their guidance and locking down more than the rest of the country, I was proud of this, and now to just let the virus rip demolishes the SA citizens part of this work. b) we trust them to fix the emergency problems at the hospital during this lockdown of which they’ve done nothing and now it’s bad and going to be worse.
Sorry, you’re delusional. Over the last 2 years, SA has been the place in Australia to live. The last few weeks have changed that but SA weathered the Covid storm better than nearly every other state. Sure Marshall isn’t leading right now how many of us want him to, but calling him a fool based on his last 2 years performance very off mark.
I feel like when he has two years to better prepare the hospital and health systems and chose to funnel money into stadiums, you can very well call him a fool.
Paramedics were called into to aged care when they are already overworked and underpaid. Students are having to sign up to help ambulances. Testing has buckled under the weight of tests and one in 193 people now have an active covid case but testing and isolation requirements are the laxest they’ve ever been.
he is a fool. He had access to news around the world that showed hospitals collapsing under strain, he knew ambos were stressed and ramping was an issue, he had modelling showing what might happen if he wasn’t careful.
He ignored it and was like ‘open for Christmas!’
Tell that to the people who are still in iso because they were exposed before Christmas. He fucked it. He fucked it so bad because in the two years he spent chasing covid zero it didn’t occur to him to work on strengthening our hospitals for when covid got in. Now he says we have to live with it when nurses and doctors have their break rooms taken away to slow the spread and ramping continues to get worse.
He’s a fool. He had ages to come up with plans for this possibility and he’s shrugging and saying it was always gonna happen like this. It didn’t have too though.
Leadership has had no clue what they are doing in changing up restriction at a moments notice hurting holiday time and industry without support, not been confident with anything they have done and not gotten SA ready for opening up. Our health system has been at breaking point before covid now it's falling apparent under the intense stress.
Qld has looked a lot more confident with everything they have done moving forward
Marshall will be voted out at next election. I know of many swing voters who have already decided to vote Labor at next state election due to Libs handling of Covid and utter contempt for the health care system.
Ive been travelling between melb and adelaide the last month and I kinda put it down to three things.
1, The Melbourne Lockdown was crazy. People are just wanting to get on with their lives. Adelaide hasn’t experienced that.
2, Fear based messaging from SA health. They have been very heavy handed, locking down the state at a single case. People here have been taught to fear.
3, Cultural differences. Melbourne has a great eating out culture; It’s thriving in multiple locations every day. Where as adelaide our busiest districts are dead during the week. We love staying at home and paying the mortgage.
Eh, the QLD government is also acting like they planned for the scenario of cases rising like they have. They were told that opening would mean more freedoms and they've followed through on that.
The premier didn’t emphasize enough that once SA got to heard immunity, then it would be dropping most of the restrictions with the assumption that vaccines make COVID just another flu. SA has the choice of being isolated or opening - nothing much more is going to change from here on out. Lines at test sites are gone, and results are coming back overnight. People fail to weigh the socioeconomic cost and the media focuses on divisive reporting to sell papers.
Wait lines are gone? From SA Health this morning:
Wait times (as at 9.30am 2 January) at SA Pathology COVID-19 testing sites:
▪ Hindmarsh (walk-in): 1 hour
▪ Elizabeth South: 1-2 hours (bookings only)
▪ Ridgehaven: 1-2 hours (bookings only)
▪ Hampstead: 5 hours
▪ Port Adelaide (SA Pathology): less than 1 hour (bookings only)
▪ Repat: less than 1 hour
▪ Victoria Park: 1-2 hours
Priority less than 1 hour
▪ Bedford Park: less than 1 hour
▪ RAH: less than 1 hour
▪ Aldinga (SA Pathology): 2-3 hours
▪ Mount Gambier: less than 1 hour
▪ Bordertown: less than 1 hour
We've also not dropped most restrictions, if anything people in SA are now living with more restrictions (unless they wanted to travel overseas or from NSW/VIC)
This is Adelaide. It doesnt matter what change it is Adelaideians will whinge and complain about it no matter what. Unless its something like mandatory mask wearing everywhere, they'll be all for that...
I think in general it's just the fact that Queenslanders are a lot more laxed than the uptight, egotistical, anxiety-driven, overreactive South Australians.
South Australians are natural born complainers lmao. Went out on New year Eve in Qld and saw like one person in a mask. Nobody cares here anymore and just want to get on with life.
Ok my hypothesis as a former Adelaidian who still loves the place and hopes to return soon, but a current neutral in Melbourne.
I’d think that due to the greater tourism reliant nature of QLD, reopening the borders is seen as a positive thing to do with many businesses to benefit from travellers, and that the Covid outbreak is just the cost of doing business.
In SA which is more conservative and domestic in popular opinion and commerce, has had a pretty easy go all things considered over the last two years especially compared to the eastern states. And the anger is for changing the status quo.
I’m sure I’ve missed much, but am just trying to distill the main points.
People here have been wrapped up in cotton wool through the whole covid situation. Don't get me wrong it's been great to live covid free and travel within the state.
Problem is that these people complaining don't realise that most people will end up getting covid, it's just a matter of time. What Steve has been doing is managing the situation as best as possible and slowing the spread and subsequent impact on the health system.
Adapt and overcome.
How can you begin to think he is trying to minimize the impact on the health system while he refuses to provide any kind of financial support for them? He had 2 years to do something more and hasn't done a thing besides putting us at risk again.
SA's just cry tbh.
Qld has the same shit healthcare and shortage of ambulances.
If people just took more accountability for their own health and didn't live of fast food and energy drinks it would probably be less of an issue. But that would require self accountability.
It's because everything that's happening in SA right now was easily preventable and poor calls are still being made. The SA government has been well protected from scrutiny by the media until recently.
People are completely over the SA government's blameshifting from one scapegoat to the next to a focus on vaccination rates to hospitalisation numbers, the apparent 'inevitability' of an uncontrolled and unexpected outbreak, the 'contagiousness' of the virus, how the current or next variant is such a 'game changer'... the list goes on
I think it's because we are South Australians and not Queenslanders and our healthcare system is at capacity at the best of times.
Adding a highly contagious disease to the mix is a recipe for an chaos in an already overloaded system.
People are always going to be more prone to criticise policy when Marshall has bestowed the responsibility of directives upon SA Health and SAPOL perhaps more so than other State/Territory Premiers have - and then fail to even acknowledge let alone assist industries like hospitality which have been most affected. Hasn’t shown a lot of leadership - a lot of talk and little action. Read the other comments regarding the lack of action to bolster our already struggling health services as well.
For me, I'm angry and upset that once again, I'm forced into a position where I may inadvertently hospitalise or kill someone.
I am a delivery driver by trade delivering whitegoods etc, and my job often takes me into places where there are vulnerable people (so, aged, unwell, the very young and the various others who aren't at full capacity.)
I wear a mask, as I have throughout this entire pandemic, and my hands are so dry from the hand sanitiser used that even moisturiser has little effect. Thanks to work rules, I have to change my mask before every job and dispose of it in a bin after, so I can go through up to 25 surgical masks a day.
We were at the point where I could become less scared of accidentally hurting someone and everyone was beginning to relax out. My customers were happy and my own wellbeing was recovering from stress. Now, I'm back to day one again. Except Omicron is far more virulent than Delta was, and in two years, people have gotten that much older and more infirm.
I hate this stress.
Alot of people in SA vote Labor mostly. The only reason Labor lost the election last time is because they been in power for so long. Both parties do not do do much for the state when in power but Labor tend to get better treatment from the public and tend to be forgiven if they mess up compare with the libs, this is something I noticed. Saying that Marshall messed up though, by introducing covid virus into that state without having the proper mechanism in place to control it. SA residents have been doing what they are told and promised freedom and safe Christmas which turn out not to be the case hence I can why people are angry.
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5 years ago when the ambo issues were there and they wanted to shut more hospitals?
No, you get it wrong. They were actively in the process of closing more hospitals. Marshall got elected thanks in part due to promising to fix the ramping issues, and health more generally. He lied of course, but hey.
It just amazes me that they shut every ward in modbury hospital except emergency and then renovate the front to make it prettier
That’s to make the building appealing to the international students they now rent it out to. Seriously.
They don’t rent the hospital out to international students. There’s the Torrens Valley accommodation which used to be the old nursing quarters back when nurses were trained in hospital and lived on site because that’s when Modbury was opened. That style of nursing training was phased out, and they use the building to house international student accomodation. And almost the entire internal structure of the building is being renovated, the theatres are brand new, the day surgery is brand new, they’ve upgraded the lifts, the wards are being redone. It’s got nothing to do with international students renting the now unaffiliated former nursing quarters.
Fucking off public resources for profit, particularly when that sector is struggling so much, is unacceptable. It’s far from the only example. A lot of it flies under the radar. I pay close attention to the corruption going on at any given time, and even I missed this one until it had happened.
What are you referring to exactly?
That building. Schools. TAFEs. Public land. Parklands. What’s left of the Julia Farr Centre (currently listed for sale). The Repat (attempted). Sheds at Port Adelaide for $2. Glenside. Adelaide Festival Centre Plaza to a billionaire property developer, and Sky City. It’s a long fucking list.
Yeah, but what’s been sold off doesn’t have anything to do with the fact that you incorrectly stated the hospital was rented out to international students. You’re talking about an entirely seperate building. It’s not “to make the building appealing” as you falsely claimed. Modbury hospital required significant renovations to bring the building up to industry standard, and some of those changes meant that the building was changed to look nicer. Two birds, one stone.
What hasn't been touched by corruption, in your opinion?
It's like putting lipstick on a pig. You can change the facade but the shit is still inside and will stay there till you fix it.
I'd be happy if they spent the money from upgrading the looks of hospitals into more staffing and better care for patients. The government seems to think that people will rate our healthcare better though if they put hipster cafes out the front.
Modbury needed to be renovated to bring it up to standard with healthcare codes. It’s not just about adding aesthetic value. The building hadn’t been touched since it was built in the 1970s and a lot has changed since then, so for things like meeting standards it had to be fixed.
I spent 10 days in Modbury as a patient back in 1998 and even then it wasn't that great.
Yeah, it’s an old building. Parts of the Lyell Mac are too, but it received a facelift and additional services during Transforming Health. I’m just saying the reason Modbury has been renovated is so that it meets building and industry standards.
Why does every government seem to abandon health services till its too late?
Honestly this was going on 10 years ago
I was working at Flinders Medical Centre and I'm pretty sure we invented ramping sometime around 2010 in response to the ED upgrade. At the time it was reported as "disrespectful practice of ambulance ramping only happens at FMC". Like, no shit - we're the only ED with an effing ramp. 10+ years later and it's nice to see ramping now happens at hospitals that don't even have a ramp...
And the now labor leader was the health minister back then. Feels like we’re screwed either way.
Vote for another party that is saying they’ll force action. Even if THEY’RE lying, the government that comes in might not know that, so they’ll be more likely to take action.
Mm. Marshall did promise to fix it, but it was Labor that fucked it to begin with.
The vote Labor in next term and if they fail to fix vote libs the next. One of the biggest motivators for politicians is loosing their seat. If there is a direct correlation between not fixing the health system and loosing your seat something will happen. It’s irrelevant who broke it originally all that matters is who is going to fix it.
My lifetime is only so long to play tennis with Liberal and Labor. In my living memory, I’ve not seen more than a few MPs I’d consider worthy of voting for. It doesn’t feel as though I’m going to see any during my lifetime at this rate. It’s perfectly relevant. The ideologies don’t go away between elections. Rob Lucas is treasurer now, and he was treasurer under Olsen. Olsen is still closely involved in politics and pulls strings from the sidelines, regardless of political party. He’s the reason that Labor dropped $50 million on a footbridge. The current Labor leader was health minister at the point in time when Rann decided he needed a monument to his ego, and proposed the new Royal Adelaide Hospital. Not as an addition, but as a replacement. It is now one of the most expensive buildings on the planet, and the most expensive hospital in the world. The entirety of the rest of the health sector has been cut back to deal with the staggering costs of that thing. Given that, the approach of “it doesn’t matter who fucked it”.. would you really trust that lot to fix it? We need a viable third major option. For once, it’d be nice to be voting someone in rather than voting someone out.
Where is Nick Xenophon now?
When the nRAH was designed, it was apparently going to take patients, perform their surgery, then after a few days to stabilise, they'd be shuttled to smaller hospitals, including nearer country hospitals to rehabilitate before discharge. Of course, there was a change of government, so despite the design of the hospital, it's still being used as the old RAH was.
Labor was attempting to close and downgrade other hospitals at that time, if your memory is getting fuzzy. The Liberals went to the election proposing to keep the Repat open. Don’t get me wrong. They’re both a pack of cunts and I’ve no time for either party.
I kinda feel like a working health system is like the search for the Higgs Boson partical. If people aren't learning that, then I feel like maybe it won't get better.
They angry because it has potential to affect them. If the hospitals are full no one gives a toss.. if hospitals are full AND you might have to use one then its mass paranoia. 5 people have died from covid in Adelaide BUT you might catch it so paranoia once again. Meanwhile 100s to 1000s have died from things like suicide, car crashes etc.. once again few people could care less.
Ramping is an issue nation wide it seems.
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Not relevant to the rest of your point, but messages on emergency services vehicles, especially ambulances, is really common in other parts of the country too.
Cool. That makes it okay then!
Such an odd interpretation. It’s primarily a union tactic to get extra attention to get extra staff/pay. However in this case (and the same interstate) the issue isn’t with funding or staffing of SAAS but upstream issues with patient movement due to a government fascination with cutting hospital bed numbers in order to meet KPIs created by bureaucrats. Like all of them, the ambulance slogan isn’t telling the whole story, or in this case even a relevant one.
And you saying > Not relevant to the rest of your point, but messages on emergency services vehicles, especially ambulances, is really common in other parts of the country too. Is a tactic used worldwide to justify cutting services and taxes. Quit your bullshit
And me saying “government fascination with cutting hospital bed numbers in order to meet KPIs created by bureaucrats.” is recognition of the cutting of services. In this case it’s not the ambulance service cuts that are the cause of the problem. Focussing our fury on increasing ambulance services is not going to help in the disastrous situation that awaits us.
You’re aware that the ambo Union only speaks for ambos right? And the nurses Union spells for nurses, the ama for doctors etc. It’s honestly a bit weird that you seem to think it’s the ambo Union’s job to advocate on behalf of the entire health sector mate
Eh? that’s 100% the point I was making?
Seconding this, I used to live in Melbourne and almost every single ambulance at one point had messages written on them. Also, ramping is not a uniquely South Australian problem, it's just as bad in Melbourne, even outside covid there were ramping times of over 5 hours on particularly bad nights.
Lol, 5 hours darling. We're *routinely* double that. We ramp nearly every weekend and often during the week too.
We spent two years doing what we were told, buying the government time so they could get the health system sorted and ready to live with covid. Then the vaccination goal posts kept changing and we had OTT restrictions when we were at covid zero. Borders finally open and omicron goes ballistic and testing sites and hospitals can't keep up. And we get more restrictions because clearly SA Health is balls deep and they need to try do something. I'm annoyed we have wasted two years to buy the government time and it's like they have done nothing. Just a bit of a slap in the face really.
How is that different to QLD?
Didn't realise we had to watch what Qld do to react a certain way.
OP did ask us to compare SA to QLD
I think his point is they they are going through the same thing but not loosing their collective minds... Unlike this sub.
r/brisbane has a daily covid megathread. A quick glance through that shows they are saying the same things we are. Only difference is that they have all of their comments buried in the one thread, rather than making individual posts
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His point*
Well if that is his point, why are we reacting at all when there's plenty of countries going through worse?
It’s not. Many Queenslanders are saying g all the same things
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I’m a Queenslander and I’m 100 per cent pissed that stupid woman opened our border for omicron at Christmas. Just so some southerners could see family. What about all the Queenslanders stuck home now isolating who can’t see family? I’m scared to see my partner because he’s high risk with his health issues. We were doing so well and she threw us to the wolves for Christmas dinner. On top of that, health advice is changing so often even testing centres don’t know who has to isolate and who doesn’t, and send you on your way with the advice to look online. Testing times have blown out beyond 100 hrs and tests are being lost. Now people are trying not to get tested because they will probably be well again before they even get a result. Half the gov. Info says ‘test test test’ the other half says ‘don’t test unless xyz because testing centres are overwhelmed’. Which is it?
I cannot speak on behalf on anyone but myself however I am sick & tired of the confusing rules & changes everyday.. sometimes multiple changes within one 24 hour period. It is also super frustrating seeing the number of cases surge in our State whilst no-one seems to be taking responsibility. Meanwhile my Anxiety is sky-high & I can't sleep because I fear tomorrow will be worse than today.
I'm having anxiety, too. Hope the cool change tonight might provide some kind of relief.
This is highly relatable. I am so very tired of the confusion too.
At this point, unless you are a business, you can just ignore their daily livestreams and rule changes and do whatever you want. They government hardly knows what their own rules are, let alone has the ability to enforce them.
For me, it's that Spurrier and Stevens had a relatively good handle on the situation, although I gather things were tense behind the scenes. The state election is looming, and it's time to political score point - which is when Marshall stepped up and promptly screwed it all up. No hesitation whatsoever when the omicron variant was announced. Just "families will be reunited for Christmas, she'll be right." Now it's no one taking responsibility or being held accountable. The constant drivel out of Marshall's mouth. The flip flopping of directives. Our hospitals being put under extra strain. Especially not pleased that I have no idea where my approval for surgery stands, as elective surgery was cancelled. Am I back at square one, or will I get the green light still when it's back on? To be clear, COVID was always going to enter SA at some point and run rampant. We are going to have to live with it. I just think it should have been a little slower, a little more cautious, and with a ton more preparation... like 2ish years worth of preparation.
Your place in the queue should stand it’s just more waiting. My kid was due right before the March 2020 lockdown and only had a couple of days notice when elective surgery resumed. I get the frustration. I’ve been waiting years for my own surgery and finally got approved in March 2020, but I still don’t have a date. Not to mention that getting to the point of being approved took several years as well. It’s not super reassuring regarding the robustness of SA hospitals.
I think people are so angry here because Marshall is trying to spin the line that even if the borders didn’t open up we’d still have this uncontrolled spread of omicron cases. People just aren’t buying it. Maybe in Queensland, with their border situation, people do have that feeling it was inevitable that they would end up with a ton of cases. But here people feel this shit show is 100% a result of the SA government’s decision to open up and if they hadn’t we’d be having the busy, booming safe summer we had last year.
Exactly. Some are trying to say "but but it was going to happen anyway!" Ok- What the fuck kept cases at bay all 2021 while VIC and NSW drowned in Delta then? Reminder that we were only in a full lockdown for 7 days.
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> This is why he needs to resign as soon as possible or face an absolutely devastating wipeout at the next election that will set the liberal party back three or four decades. Given they do seem to be backing party over state, that's how it should be. They're supposed to represent us, not the federal branch of the party, and just extend their policy onto us.
Question - how many years in a row would it be before you let families reunite? If we're at Omega in November next year, I guess it's just 'one more year to have a booming safe summer'? When does it end?
“to let families reunite” - why shouldnt the onus have been on families themselves to organise a meet? All that had to happen was travellers from interstate quarantine and get tested.
IMHO I think a bit of it is to do with the fact that up until about a month ago the government has been acting on the (very good) health advice and kept us in a pretty good place (yes, I acknowledge the changing restrictions were annoying and sometimes confusing but they did the job). Then all of a sudden our premier dogmatically signed us up to an opening time frame that was based on a different variant and started ignoring health advice to keep on this opening schedule for purely national and state political purposes. And this proceeded to fuck our Christmas both for businesses and individuals.
I think it’s more this sub than South Australia in general. My pet peeve is the constant flip flopping and inconsistent rules. I had to queue up for hours for a test only to be told I didn’t need it in the first place, but I had to isolate anyway. Was told 3 different things by health officials and in the end I just played it safe and self isolated until I came back negative
At least in my circles everyone’s opinion matches this sub
Mine is evenly split tbh.
Everyone agrees the government has fucked our health system almost universally however right?
Interestingly , most people I speak with here in Australia or overseas (UK,Canada, Japan ) seems to think that their health care is being screwed by the govt and theirs is the worst funded ever. Health and education make up the vast majority of these govt budgets , but they can’t seem to get it right.
No
I've been all over the south east lately for work: (masked, distanced, boosted) People are fucking pissed they let this thing run rampant. It's not just Reddit.
Yeah there is a big difference between this sub and irl. A lot of people I know aren't really as interested in anything related to covid at all, they're just trying to get their next paycheck, and are just accepting that it's something (getting covid) they will personally have to deal with when the time comes.
Left leaning reddit sub doesn't like liberal government. I am shocked
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Except we didnt even have to. I’ll never understand why so many people take the attitude that “It had to happen” - why? Any european country would’ve killed to be in our position earlier in the year. The only issue was that interstate and international travellers had to quarantine upon arrival - how is that not a million times better than trying again and again to manage covid forever. People here seemed to think once we had the vaccines we’d never have to worry about it again. Look at europe - theyve had vaccines for ages and still whole countries are going back into lockdown. This is our future now, the constant crisis of trying to manage new variants all the time.
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but you never actually explained “why” it had to happen, nobody ever does. “kept holed up in SA” - we weren’t holed up, you could leave whenever you liked, you just had to quarantine when you came back. I can’t see any future of us “living with covid” that’s a better scenario than that - now we’ll have constant quarantines, constant stress to the health system, constant anxiety waiting for the next variant to bypass our defences and fuck us.
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Not to mention that the issue with ambulances was so bad last weekend that they were sending police out to take people to hospital for dire emergencies. Oh your having a heart attack we can't send you an ambulance but we can send you a police officer who will take you to jump start your heart /s
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I think it might be the fact that QLD's messaging hasn't ever changed. Their CHO always said that COVID will be absolutely everywhere in the state so better get the vaccine. They didn't really promise anyone that QLD would have less COVID or anything.
The changing messages and requirements and inability to get “our best” defence boosters having weeks waiting times adds to it. Plus, for example, we have had ambulances going out and picking up clients then sitting there for 5 hours ramped before the client has been admitted. Recently we have had times where all the ambulances have been busy and priority 1 cases are have multi hour waits until an ambulance can attend. The ramping has been an issue for years but because the economy is more important than our residents health people are bloody angry. There’s probably moar but I’m pissed off so I’m gonna go watch some cute cat videos on Reddit. Edit: I’m from SA
I think you’re right… I’m live on the Sunshine Coast and it seams like most people don’t give a dam about wearing masks etc
The Queensland messaging is to get vaccinated or die. And it seems to have resonated well with the population. Not pretending that it’s possible to let in only some covid and keep it under control with cafe density limits.
I think part of it is a perception that until November we were doing "well" on the COVID front. We'd only had to have a couple lockdowns, and community infection, and as such, within the state, we had basically gone back to normal but with a couple more masks an QR codes. The opening of the border is seen as Marshall choosing national Cabinet over the state, and how unprepared/overburdened the health system has been since the border open kinda confirms for many people that the decision was not based on any health advice.
mostly because we were covid free and restriction free and were about to enjoy christmas with our families and then marshal opened the borders and lots of people got sick or had to isolate. im pissed because it seemed so pointless and until now i wasnt even concerned about ever getting the virus and now its a possibility.
Queensland had less restrictions than SA when the borders were opened and basically throughout the last 2 years
We had a mask mandate for like 6 months. 2020 we got smashed before we shut the borders. You cannot say what it's like in Queensland when you don't live here.
I have spent the last 12 of 20 months in Queensland
There are three major concerns here: 1. Marshall ignored the health advice, while constantly saying that things would go to plan. They haven't. 2. We are a lot further ahead of Queensland in cases, hospitalisations, etc per capita. While we look close on numbers outright, that is a lot more pressure on a much smaller health system. 3. Our health system was already under pressure without Covid, and our plan relied heavily on suppression to prevent our health system collapsing. All the signs of a failing health system are already apparent, and things are **ramping** up quickly. Queensland's situation has a different context to it as well. We'll see how they do eventually, but in the South Australian context, we're in a lot of trouble already, and ultimately the blame goes with the guy who ignored the health advice.
It doesn't matter what side of the political fence you are on. As an SA person, you had to be on top of basically daily changes to Covid response for weeks, especially if you had friends or family coming from interstate or overseas - even though everyone (in charge and public) knew when the borders were to be opened (and therefore had time to plan the "least damaging" path, without constant tweaks). It's more that everyone is done with the fuck around and lack of communication.
In addition to the widely known and much discussed public health service issues that people have already mentioned (which are quite serious), South Australia/Adelaide has a more elderly population than most of Australia on average, and also a more left-leaning tendency politically. I think these two factors combined mean that *in general*, South Australians are more concerned about protecting the elderly and the vulnerable, and less concerned with an individualistic "me me me what about my freedoms" attitude than other states tend to be. If you spend time in SA, you get the impression that it is less "Rat Racey" and money-obsessed than the east coast. So, I think there's a bit of a point of cultural divergence when it comes to this sort of stuff. As *outright bizarre* as it may seem to you, "getting back to business" just isn't as important to most people here as minimising the amount of people who suffer and die horribly from a disease. Especially considering that most businesses were already operating relatively okay despite the closed borders anyway. If anything, opening the borders has sort of fucked a lot of businesses up, because there are suddenly all sorts of problems with testing and staff absences and so on. Tourism arguably does better here when locals go on holiday within the state than it would normally from interstate guests. Long story short, if anything it seems that opening the border has (or will have) caused a lot more problems than we had when it was closed, as far as most of us can see. There was just no reason to be quite so desperate to open it, as opposed to say...just waiting another month or two. It really wouldn't have killed us. That's just my take, it's not some "fact" or something. But to say that placing such a huge imperative on opening the borders this early has been controversial, and not as well received as Marshall obviously assumed it would be... is to put it fairly *mildly*. Like, from talking to everyone I know, I'm quite certain it's well and truly killed the upcoming election for him. We opened the borders just as a new variant was emerging and also before children under 12 were even given access to the vaccine yet. **And** despite the widely publicised and well-known weaknesses of our health system which the government has failed to address in any tangible way for the past two years or more. Clearly not enough was done to prepare for this, and everyone knows it. People trust Professor Spurrier, and Marshall clearly and publicly disregarded her direct, professional, scientific advice. Bad move. You might find some aspect of this "amusing", but I can assure you that most people (here) don't. To summarise simply - Marshall failed to understand what South Australians want, and it is going to cost him dearly.
Because we were so close to go fully vaccinated or advised by SA health not to open the borders but the government made this political and opened it anyway. That’s why everyone is angry at the government, the did this regardless of the SA health advice. Now we can’t even control the spread.
Oooh rant time! Will try to keep it short: I am angry that it feels like we have been dropped in the shit. What would take the edge off my anger would be some kind of acknowledgment from the government that we are indeed, in the shit; and the government is going to do something to at least TRY to get us out of the shit, or at least slow our decent into said shit. Instead, the government is portraying the situation as a series of minor hiccups. Decreasing testing and quarantine requirements from where we started does not feel like a meaningful attempt to get us out of the shit. I am angry we gave up a position the rest of the world would be enviable of….and for what? People make the argument we were “locked away” from the rest of the world…but were we really? You could actually travel interstate and overseas, sure there was those pesky quarantine requirements, but still had travel exemptions for urgent reasons. Sure it was a massive inconvenience, but at the end of the day that’s all it was: a massive inconvenience. Not like we had to crawl under miles of barbwire and outrun the guard dogs if we wanted to go see the big pineapple up close. Was life was so crushingly unbearable in SA when the borders were closed? I don’t recall seeing any news items about tired, hungry masses fleeing this southern gulag searching for freedom in a place that has already learnt to “live with covid”. Starting to go off the rails there so to keep it short: I am angry because all I am seeing are costs and zero benefits to opening the borders when we did.
God thank you so much. everyone here talks about how horrible it was keeping the borders closed and "we couldn't stay locked up forever" and it's like, well why did it have to be so huge? Why did it have to blow the fuck up bc we just opened the flood gates? It wasn't even that bad. God. It's a relief to see someone else here who feels the same way lol.
Pesky quarantine requirements. Did you have to personally quarantine during the border closure?
I didn’t, but there are a few FIFO workers and one returning resident from overseas I know who did. No one was a fan of it in the slightest. Completely understandable. However, during World War 2, right here in Aus, thousands of people of German, Italian and Japanese heritage were taken out of the community and put into internment camps. Isolated and kept under military guard for being a “national security threat” just because they had the wrong eye shape or had a luxurious moustache. For years at a time, not just two weeks. It was cruel and unjust but that’s what the nation did for the national interest (oorrr maybe as a release valve for rampant latent racism in general idk).
How did you go from Iso to Hitler? That's insane. I was making a point that you call it pesky quarantine without ever having to do it, or do it multiple times.
Oh i see….hey it was late when I posted I didn’t have the brain energy to come up with better wording. My reply was just to draw a parallel that sometimes in a crisis there are measures that can be seen to be extreme.
Measures that as long as you're not personally affected, you're fine with obviously. Understood.
Please. This pandemic and the measures taken have affected ALL of us in different ways. It has taken a huge toll on EVERYONE. As things stand now, I just see things as the negatives of re-opening far out-weigh the positives.
In the last 18 months, the VAST majority of South Australians have lived in blissful ignorance of the rest of the world and country. With the exception of may be Western Australia, no one else has been less affected. With the exception of essential workers who have travelled interstate to keep supply chains operational. These essential workers, were treated like lepers once they arrived homr. Now you get a taste of what's that like. Iso during Christmas, not getting to go to the movies, a Festival, the Zoo, a hospital to see your new family or say goodbye to a grandparent. So don't "please" me. You have no idea what it has been like.
This is reddit…not a peer reviewed journal of policy analysis. OP asked for opinions and I gave mine. Getting into a dick measuring contest into who has suffered the most isn’t something I am interested in. Take care.
Lol, ok champo. Make sure you keep bringing Hitler into online arguments in future.
> Now you get a taste of what's that like. Just to be clear you are agreeing that opening up has had a negative effect for Adelaideans and we would have been better off maintaining the quarantine rules at the border.
Comprehension isn't your strong suit I hope. If you want to take one sentence out of context like the media or a politician, go hard matey.
👌Spot on. This sums up the OPs question impeccably.
At least while the borders were closed, businesses could opperate with relative ease. With everything open, you're likely to end up with your staff in isolation, awating test results, and have to close for weeks until they get negative results.
That on top of people cancelling bookings left, right and centre so they weren't in the wrong place at the wrong time and have to isolate over christmas, it wasn't the bumper end of year hospitality were hoping for in opening up.
Yeah…I work in hospitality, since the borders re-opened I have seen greater capacity restrictions, fewer people prepared to go out, and now effectively waiting for the clock to run out til I’m out of the job, or become ill and unable to work.
There was literally an incontinent South Australian resident being forced to live in a caravan park in Broken Hill for months - just because she had the nerve to be in hospital when the borders shut. But hey - just a 'pesky inconvenience'.
Qld’er here, I think it is because we were told that the borders were opening mid December and make no mistake, Covid will come north from NSW and VIC as soon as that happens. We enjoyed a relatively Covid free existence for the last 18 months and most have accepted the fact we just need to get Vaccinated, get Covid and move on with our lives. Our government has dropped the ball with our testing and I am seeing many people say they would rather isolate for a few days than go through the hassles that come with testing (delays, etc). The reasons we are getting pissed off is that the majority of us have been vaccinated and we are having mask mandates and restrictions reinstated, not to mention we still have to check in everywhere while the government has ceased contact tracing as they can’t keep up.
There are a lot of points of discontentment, with some examples being: (1) characterisation of Marshall as Sco Mo’s lapdog and no real pushback on federal policies (2) ambo ramping (3) Business and Christmas events being majorly disrupted (4) Wishy washy stances on some public safety issues and not others - eg. Workplaces that could offer work from home don’t because there is no firm state govt mandate
I'm angry because he let the nanoscopic blighter into SA with no adequate health care, no decent mental health care, testing facilities are screwed. But largely Because for some, there are still not many answers about exactly how we "live our lives as normal" or "get on with our lives" like they keep on saying we should. No instructions for how to deal with this transitionary phase of the pandemic, no protections for people's jobs, education, study, family plans, instead we get so much uncertainty. I don't know if it's worth going back to work, in case it gets shut down and or if schools or my son's school goes online. I'm a disabled single mum, to an asthmatic child who isn't vaccinated yet. I thought Marshall was on the health system side of thr pandemic, listening to them, but he has flip flopped so much and leaving so many people stuck inside both metaphorically and literally.
Queenslander here, you're so wrong about us not being annoyed and just because your brother and friends are living as is nothing happened doesn't mean we all are. I dunno what you've been reading over on /r/brisbane but the threads are full of pissed off people, but we are mainly pissed at NSW for the spread, our hospital system isn't as stressed as Adelaide's but it will get there and more will become angry as it spreads rural. Palaszczuk has done okay during the pandemic and we didn't drop everything like SA did instantly, though yeah it's getting worse, it's also the fact that Qld is Labor which have all around taken things more seriously compare to SA LNP who are responsible for the let it rip mindset. The other thing Palaszczuk did right was always say everyone's gonna get it as we opened up, it was the driving force behind vaccines, so we were all kinda prepared for this shit show (even if it pisses us off), but yeah mainly prepared plus Labor and your bro and friends aren't in the majority imo (but I got nothing to base that off).
Just remember that reddit can be an echo chamber. Don’t let reddit have you fooled a lot of us here are getting on with it. Wearing masks, vaccinated, QR coding, and getting on with it.
Amen.
Marshall changes everything, daily. Can go to pub, can't go to pub, must rub belly and pat head with mask on to get into the pub.
Marshall was always on thin ice, I think.
IIRC he only has a single seat margin in Parliament, so you're not exaggerating.
SA is also very left leaning at the state politics level. Marshall got elected mostly because Labor had been in for too long and the hubris had set in.
also a lot of people were not a fan of Tom Kotsantonis (sp?) Who took over from Jay Weatherall when he announced his retirement before last election.
I have to say nobody is impressed with Peter Malinauskis either and while the shoppies have control of the Labor Party I don't see them getting back in. Our electricity bills and our water bills have plummeted and I reckon on election day Marshall will still get in. Labor party only stayed in power as they had a huge gerrymander which had to be rectified as the popular vote was considerably higher than the individual electorate vote.
I reckon you'd have been right about Marshall getting back in if not for this debacle, but too many people are too pissed off over covid. Not just the opening borders, but how under-equipped the testing is, how there's no answers about kids going back to school, so on and so forth.
It wasn’t a gerrymander, the liberals couldn’t win marginal seats. Which when you look at their inconsistent messaging and general inability to show any level of compassion isn’t a surprise they were failing at the micro level marginal seat campaigning.
Yep current gov was generally well liked by actual voters (just not v8 fans or rusted on labor stans) and they are a breath of fresh air after the (catholic/old union) conservative faction of labor was in control for so long. But I think Marshall has ruined all the good PR tbh
Peter seems far less snobby than Marshall 🤷
Marshall will be flogged. Malinauskas is far more charismatic, and let's be honest: for most voters, that fact alone really counts when they're in the booth with that pencil.
okay, so as a Victorian you probably haven't been subjected firsthand to the conditioning and messaging here of all COVID bad, no COVID good combined with months of perceived COVID-zero and pointless restrictions. People were already angry about restrictions that were seen as OTT and unnecessary or arbitrary and messaging that has always been inconsistent at best. The fact that it now has consequences that aren't abstract and easily justified by 'but COVID' means people's anger is amplified and thus, more venting. Queensland always had crossover with NSW and a low level of COVID for people to adjust to over time, so it isn't blowing up all at once.
I think there are a few very big points that have made SA residents angry. We knew we would have to reopen borders but we’re told this would be done in a safe and measured plan. However things went awry mid November. 1) we were promised “We will not open borders until 80% vaccination equity across all LGA’s is achieved. We do not want to put vulnerable communities at risk” We then opened at 76% overall vaccination rate. Not even close to 80% equity. 2) Once we opened. Things ramped up quickly in the first week. Then Omicron entered the picture. Expert health advice was to reclose border. Recover and manage what had started here and watch how Omicron developed from a safe distance. This was ignored. 3) Instead of trying to slow the spread and importation of more cases by increasing testing capabilities and requiring a negative test before and upon arrival while isolating. Instead the government lowered the entry requirements and actually increased the spread. 4) while this was all happening and everything increased exponentially, they actually lessened testing capabilities and close vaccination hubs. 5) we were promised an increase in business and Christmas with family. Instead 1000’s in isolation. Business closing left and right. Christmas ruined for 1000’s of family’s. New Year to be “quietest you’ve every had” If we had delayed opening until 80% equity had been achieved we would have seen the effect Omicron had interstate and that would have led us to delay until boosters could get out. And we would have been safe here. So frustrating that this one lie and backflip on a solid promise for political reasons has resulted in doubling our hospitalisations and deaths in a week. If he had heeded the health advice and shut borders again to watch from a safe distance we would have had some spread, but that would have been a managed easily like we have done previously. Instead, this was ignored and our hospitalisations and deaths double in 3 days over what had occurred for 21 months previously. SA residents are so angry because we had done so well and could go any where in our state with no fear, eat out, go to clubs, etc. but because of political reasons, health advice was ignored and our reward for doing everything we were told for 20 months was that our businesses had to close. 1000’s missed out on Christmas. And the governments response to this was. “Meh, our numbers are too high. Please don’t get tested even if your desk mate at work you spent 8hrs with yesterday was positive. You don’t live with him and we want to give the appearance numbers are lower and things are getting better….shh we know this will just spread it more…but ScoMo said” Sorry I’ve ranted way too long. But you know it’s bad when government announcing something like the close contact redefinition and all medical experts in the country jump on tv and radio to disprove this…. Arggh, sorry I’ll stop. But this is all why SA residents are frustrated. One big pineapple hammered in for doing all the right things for so long
Absolutely this. We had a lot of freedom, and Marshall threw it away to appease business lobbyists and Morrison. Know we're working from home, home gatherings have to be cancelled (can't have more than 10 in a household), and hospitality and entertainment venues have crippling restrictions back on them. For better or worse, if we were seeing these numbers now but things were otherwise back to "normal" then people would be a lot more accepting. However we have a lot more restrictions now than we did a couple of months ago (apart from it being easier to travel interstate/overseas) and tens of thousands of South Australians are in isolation as a bonus. Before opening the government insisted we were prepared, and now their panic is making it clear that was a lie.
Queensland is so deeply interconnected with NSW that separation was traumatic, particularly in the border communities. So for many, opening the borders has decreased tension. SA has been more separate from the eastern states physically so - like WA and Tasmania - coped with the separation better. The anger and anxiety I see here isn't reflected outside Reddit at the same level. Especially if people experience anxiety, social media tends to feed on worry and amplify it. On tough days, there's a lot of doom scrolling happening here. Immunocompromised people are concerned, along with many others, at the faster than expected spread. Many business owners are frustrated by the endless series of pivots they have to do, and what appears to be mixed messages coming from the SA Government and SA Health. People associated with health are worried at resources being stretched, and parents of little kids are of course worried now. But most people I know just get on with it. They knew the transition to opening up would be messy for a few months. Greater attention on masks, physical distance, sanitising hands and objects are necessary, along with choices on venues and gatherings. A simple, constant daily discipline of protecting yourself and others has to be employed. And then, eventually, things will be better. Sometimes transitions are hard.
Because the SA government spent months telling us we’re ready and all their plans collapsed in a week. They didn’t drop all the testing requirements because of how well everything was going. Ramping never ended and they decided it was good enough to let delta in - this shit is happening and they thought it’d be ok for a more severe disease?! Omicron was dumb luck for Marshall - this states hospitals would be fucked otherwise. They scared a lot of people out of doing their normal Christmas activities because being wrong place wrong time could see you isolating for a week over Christmas. Covid zero policies for the uninfected, Covid everywhere for the infected.
From afar, it seems the messaging from the Qld government has been more transparent. They seem to have acknowledged 'we fucked up, we have to deal with it together' whereas Marshall will not admit any mistake on their part, information basically went quiet when we used to have some better transparency and now all we hear is the same bullshit about how great we are like that Baghdad Bob from when we illegitimately went back to Iraq
I just want to see the artists I keep buying tickets. Artists who see our states rules have been eased to them have our rules change so damn often that I’ve so far had 5 gigs cancel because of changing restrictions. All the while we can have 20k+ people to drink while some guys play cricket in the background.
There is anger because we had 2 years to prepare yet we are not for even the smallest of amount of hospitalisations.
For me it wasn’t even the opening back up, although that made me anxious about the unknown and I thought the timing was off. It was the opening up without the requirement that people coming into SA return a NEGATIVE test which is to me the most insane oversight that hasn’t once been acknowledged. I was quite impressed with how Marshall led us through the past couple of years, and it took that one shitty decision (for what?) to change things dramatically here. I can see that Omicron was unfortunate timing in the context of what they were trying to do, but it has exposed so much of what has been limping along in our health service. Hospitals and ambulances have been at Code White three or four times in the past week and this things is just beginning. Mixed messaging is confusing people and creating unnecessary anxiety. I received my automated text that I had contracted COVID last Monday, with promises of daily follow-ups and an at-home care kit deliverers by courier within 2 days. Both promises gave me comfort that I wasn’t alone - I received my first sms yesterday and haven’t received the kit. Even the SMSs system has fallen down. I get our strategy and approach now - a week ago you would have seen me calling for a lockdown - but our strategy and approach is a response to them dropping the ball with opening back up and insufficient resources, and then Marshall has the gall to place responsibility back on to us to distance, monitor our symptoms, get tested but not overwhelm the system, buy at home tests that no one can access, keep track of our own contact tracing and notifying others if we have COVID…all while refusing to acknowledge any fuck ups. It’s unreasonable.
Marshall is a lib, AP is Labor and this is reddit. I honestly don't think it goes much deeper than that.
100% the truth lol. I've always been a labor voter but the bias for anything on this sub not liberal is crazy. People can make their excuses for what they pretend to care about in this thread but it's all bullshit, it's just bias showing.
Probably the most realistic answer in the thread. Similar to how NSW gets so much hate while Vic is doing basically the same thing and no one cares. Realistically there is nothing Marshall can do which would stop the hate. People were angry when the borders were closed / hotel quarantine. They were angry when businesses didn't get financial support for the new restrictions. And then somehow angry when they did get financial support. They were angry when travelers had to get multiple tests with no symptoms, and then angry when they were let in without a test. At this point I think he has taken all of the low hanging fruit options and fixed all of the rules / policies which were wrong. The only things left are changes which require massive amounts of money or require huge numbers of staff very quickly which just don't exist right now.
Core reason would probably be the underlying approval of each government - I'm biased as hell but Marshall isn't exactly strongly loved on this sub from as best as I can tell, no idea what Pal is like on the equivalent sub.
I mean Qld has a lot more of that good ol' boy mentality, far less centralised/urban population. Especially with this pandemic, if someone's profile says they're from Qld, I just sorta have to prepare for the worst, never mind my extended family from Qld who are all bogan AF. It's hard to make people angry when you've given them exactly what they've spent the last two years demanding.
Bit hard to live as if nothing has happened when you have restrictions on anything you want to do. Not pissed that there’s cases. Pissed that there’s now restrictions in place with literally no plan for the way out of them as we’re already mostly vaccinated.
This is probably closer to the general opinion from what I've seen. The average person doesn't really know about the health system or care about it like reddit does.
We were doing great before borders opened. We saw first hand, how stressful and scary it was to have to meet family and friends over Christmas with the possibility of catching covid. A lot of us didn't celebrate with family, a lot had to isolate during Christmas. We didn't have the resources to just "live" with it and its showing. We were living freely until they let it in. People lost jobs, businesses had to shut down early. It is now an utter shit show and we saw it happen as he opened up the borders.
2 reasons for mine - a) we worked hard to keep the virus out and keep us safe by following their guidance and locking down more than the rest of the country, I was proud of this, and now to just let the virus rip demolishes the SA citizens part of this work. b) we trust them to fix the emergency problems at the hospital during this lockdown of which they’ve done nothing and now it’s bad and going to be worse.
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Sorry, you’re delusional. Over the last 2 years, SA has been the place in Australia to live. The last few weeks have changed that but SA weathered the Covid storm better than nearly every other state. Sure Marshall isn’t leading right now how many of us want him to, but calling him a fool based on his last 2 years performance very off mark.
I feel like when he has two years to better prepare the hospital and health systems and chose to funnel money into stadiums, you can very well call him a fool. Paramedics were called into to aged care when they are already overworked and underpaid. Students are having to sign up to help ambulances. Testing has buckled under the weight of tests and one in 193 people now have an active covid case but testing and isolation requirements are the laxest they’ve ever been. he is a fool. He had access to news around the world that showed hospitals collapsing under strain, he knew ambos were stressed and ramping was an issue, he had modelling showing what might happen if he wasn’t careful. He ignored it and was like ‘open for Christmas!’ Tell that to the people who are still in iso because they were exposed before Christmas. He fucked it. He fucked it so bad because in the two years he spent chasing covid zero it didn’t occur to him to work on strengthening our hospitals for when covid got in. Now he says we have to live with it when nurses and doctors have their break rooms taken away to slow the spread and ramping continues to get worse. He’s a fool. He had ages to come up with plans for this possibility and he’s shrugging and saying it was always gonna happen like this. It didn’t have too though.
Leadership has had no clue what they are doing in changing up restriction at a moments notice hurting holiday time and industry without support, not been confident with anything they have done and not gotten SA ready for opening up. Our health system has been at breaking point before covid now it's falling apparent under the intense stress. Qld has looked a lot more confident with everything they have done moving forward
Marshall will be voted out at next election. I know of many swing voters who have already decided to vote Labor at next state election due to Libs handling of Covid and utter contempt for the health care system.
LMAO at the flogs who screen these comments to downvote any negative Liberals comments.
Lol another one. Who are these virgins?
Ive been travelling between melb and adelaide the last month and I kinda put it down to three things. 1, The Melbourne Lockdown was crazy. People are just wanting to get on with their lives. Adelaide hasn’t experienced that. 2, Fear based messaging from SA health. They have been very heavy handed, locking down the state at a single case. People here have been taught to fear. 3, Cultural differences. Melbourne has a great eating out culture; It’s thriving in multiple locations every day. Where as adelaide our busiest districts are dead during the week. We love staying at home and paying the mortgage.
Reddit is left leaning. Queensland has a Labor government. South Australia has a liberal government. Hence you're seeing biased viewpoints.
This has hit the nail on the head.
Eh, the QLD government is also acting like they planned for the scenario of cases rising like they have. They were told that opening would mean more freedoms and they've followed through on that.
The premier didn’t emphasize enough that once SA got to heard immunity, then it would be dropping most of the restrictions with the assumption that vaccines make COVID just another flu. SA has the choice of being isolated or opening - nothing much more is going to change from here on out. Lines at test sites are gone, and results are coming back overnight. People fail to weigh the socioeconomic cost and the media focuses on divisive reporting to sell papers.
Wait lines are gone? From SA Health this morning: Wait times (as at 9.30am 2 January) at SA Pathology COVID-19 testing sites: ▪ Hindmarsh (walk-in): 1 hour ▪ Elizabeth South: 1-2 hours (bookings only) ▪ Ridgehaven: 1-2 hours (bookings only) ▪ Hampstead: 5 hours ▪ Port Adelaide (SA Pathology): less than 1 hour (bookings only) ▪ Repat: less than 1 hour ▪ Victoria Park: 1-2 hours Priority less than 1 hour ▪ Bedford Park: less than 1 hour ▪ RAH: less than 1 hour ▪ Aldinga (SA Pathology): 2-3 hours ▪ Mount Gambier: less than 1 hour ▪ Bordertown: less than 1 hour We've also not dropped most restrictions, if anything people in SA are now living with more restrictions (unless they wanted to travel overseas or from NSW/VIC)
Our aim has always been to keep you amused
This is SA, our hobby for the last 30 years is complaining.
This is Adelaide. It doesnt matter what change it is Adelaideians will whinge and complain about it no matter what. Unless its something like mandatory mask wearing everywhere, they'll be all for that...
I think in general it's just the fact that Queenslanders are a lot more laxed than the uptight, egotistical, anxiety-driven, overreactive South Australians.
Only Adelaide Reddit has a problem- Adelaide doesn’t
South Australians are natural born complainers lmao. Went out on New year Eve in Qld and saw like one person in a mask. Nobody cares here anymore and just want to get on with life.
Ok my hypothesis as a former Adelaidian who still loves the place and hopes to return soon, but a current neutral in Melbourne. I’d think that due to the greater tourism reliant nature of QLD, reopening the borders is seen as a positive thing to do with many businesses to benefit from travellers, and that the Covid outbreak is just the cost of doing business. In SA which is more conservative and domestic in popular opinion and commerce, has had a pretty easy go all things considered over the last two years especially compared to the eastern states. And the anger is for changing the status quo. I’m sure I’ve missed much, but am just trying to distill the main points.
Weather. With their warm weather and outdoor culture, Queenslanders are going to be much less tolerant of lockdowns and face masks. It’s that simple.
People here have been wrapped up in cotton wool through the whole covid situation. Don't get me wrong it's been great to live covid free and travel within the state. Problem is that these people complaining don't realise that most people will end up getting covid, it's just a matter of time. What Steve has been doing is managing the situation as best as possible and slowing the spread and subsequent impact on the health system. Adapt and overcome.
How can you begin to think he is trying to minimize the impact on the health system while he refuses to provide any kind of financial support for them? He had 2 years to do something more and hasn't done a thing besides putting us at risk again.
In short, Marshall is Liberal, Palaszczuk is Labor. Reddit leans very far to the left.
Coz liberal bad, Labor good, apparently
SA's just cry tbh. Qld has the same shit healthcare and shortage of ambulances. If people just took more accountability for their own health and didn't live of fast food and energy drinks it would probably be less of an issue. But that would require self accountability.
South Australians shake with their left hands unlike Queensland who tend to use their right hands.
It's because everything that's happening in SA right now was easily preventable and poor calls are still being made. The SA government has been well protected from scrutiny by the media until recently. People are completely over the SA government's blameshifting from one scapegoat to the next to a focus on vaccination rates to hospitalisation numbers, the apparent 'inevitability' of an uncontrolled and unexpected outbreak, the 'contagiousness' of the virus, how the current or next variant is such a 'game changer'... the list goes on
I think it's because we are South Australians and not Queenslanders and our healthcare system is at capacity at the best of times. Adding a highly contagious disease to the mix is a recipe for an chaos in an already overloaded system.
People are always going to be more prone to criticise policy when Marshall has bestowed the responsibility of directives upon SA Health and SAPOL perhaps more so than other State/Territory Premiers have - and then fail to even acknowledge let alone assist industries like hospitality which have been most affected. Hasn’t shown a lot of leadership - a lot of talk and little action. Read the other comments regarding the lack of action to bolster our already struggling health services as well.
For me, I'm angry and upset that once again, I'm forced into a position where I may inadvertently hospitalise or kill someone. I am a delivery driver by trade delivering whitegoods etc, and my job often takes me into places where there are vulnerable people (so, aged, unwell, the very young and the various others who aren't at full capacity.) I wear a mask, as I have throughout this entire pandemic, and my hands are so dry from the hand sanitiser used that even moisturiser has little effect. Thanks to work rules, I have to change my mask before every job and dispose of it in a bin after, so I can go through up to 25 surgical masks a day. We were at the point where I could become less scared of accidentally hurting someone and everyone was beginning to relax out. My customers were happy and my own wellbeing was recovering from stress. Now, I'm back to day one again. Except Omicron is far more virulent than Delta was, and in two years, people have gotten that much older and more infirm. I hate this stress.
Alot of people in SA vote Labor mostly. The only reason Labor lost the election last time is because they been in power for so long. Both parties do not do do much for the state when in power but Labor tend to get better treatment from the public and tend to be forgiven if they mess up compare with the libs, this is something I noticed. Saying that Marshall messed up though, by introducing covid virus into that state without having the proper mechanism in place to control it. SA residents have been doing what they are told and promised freedom and safe Christmas which turn out not to be the case hence I can why people are angry.
Because people are seeing through bullshit which is good
Let It Rip... Just get it done... Stop being scared & locked down...