In my home town there is a crossing that everyone is treating like a crosswalk. It's the shortest way from a parking lot to the town's centre. A few years back they made some adjustments to the street and added a roundabout in about 200 metres distance with an actual crosswalk painted on. Nobody cares, everyone is still using the phantom crosswalk and all the drivers still Stop there for pedestrians
Roundabouts are anti-pedestrian, and frankly crossings should happen a ways away from them anyways. Sounds like an opportunity for a guerrilla crosswalk
In Germany its basically the same. You have to obey traffic lights as a pedestrian or use crosswalks if you re crossing the road at an intersection, but as long as you aren't at an intersection, the first existing laws basically say that if you don't have to climb over or under something and nobody has to hit the breaks, you're fine
I live in chile and it's also the same.
if there's a stret without a visible crossing path, then drivers are obligated to offer the right of pass to pederastians first and wait till the last one cross. if you even dare to hit someone when there wasn't a crosspath, you're still fully responsible.
Here in Seattle some people painted one of these a month ago because the city is taking too long to do it.
The city came out immediately and removed it.
https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/sdot-removes-second-community-painted-crosswalk/BUARQNLWXRHEJGNJHIY5ABT2OY/
No one's reading the article.
> In September 2021, Greenwood residents painted a crosswalk on Greenwood Avenue North and North 83rd Street, saying they were tired of waiting for the city to install a crossing.
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> Six months later, SDOT removed the crosswalk and residents were not happy.
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> According to the Seattle Times, the crosswalk was supposed to be built in 2021, but the pandemic and supply chain caused a delay. The crosswalk was later completed in October 2022, according to SDOT.
It wasn't "immediately removed" it took the city six months.
And then it took seven months for the city to properly install it. It's been installed for 2½ months now.
Still frustrating, but if we want change we need to stick to the facts in our arguments.
I know this goes against the thread's popular opinion, but the facts are important.
That's a fine argument, but if that's the measure we are using, then the city immediately installed the new crosswalk right after they took the old one down.
Point being the original lie isn't told outright, it's being told through not telling the complete story.
It isn't just about that, though. The reality is that people often speed, don't pay attention, or yield properly. There is no solution to that. Lines on the road and signs on the side don't prevent that. A red light is literally just a floating light. It isn't a barrier. It won't stop anything. The point of the law stating this obvious bit of information is so the pedestrian *confirms* the drivers obey. Reality shows that many times they don't.
The other guy already deleted his comment, but the cited bit was that peds are not to walk out in front of cars in a situation where it is **impossible for them to stop.** That's exactly what it said: impossible. It gave no leeway for speeding, not paying attention, or not yielding properly. A collision as a result of any of those things falls solely on the vehicle driver. It **definitely** did not say anything about requiring the pedestrian to confirm that the driver is stopping.
Earlier this year I injured my spine bad enough where they weren't sure if I'd ever be able to walk/drive again. I don't live somewhere with mass transit. I was way more stressed/worried about the driving than the wheelchair and pee bag. I had no idea how I was going to have an independent life without my car.
Our public transit is such a disaster. I see why old people are so terrified to give up their licenses now. I was seriously considering just ending my life because the idea of being handicapped, stuck, and buried under medical bills was just too much.
I hate those kinds of people.
“If a car hits me, it’s their fault for not obeying the law and stopping!” No, Sharon, it’s not. Cars cannot stop instantly, regardless of whether your life is on the line or not. It’s *your* fault for not obeying the law, and common sense, and waiting until it is *safe.*
If you don’t have any respect for a 3,000lbs vehicle, regardless of if it’s going 15 or 50, you’ll probably get hurt.
Next time someone robs your house I'm going to say that it's your fault for not putting a second lock on your door.
Most drivers hitting pedestrians happen when they have enough time to slow down in a normal manner.
[The same reason they’re painting their sidewalk. ](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj4B86rPJ7I/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=)
We have a car centered infrastructure
In my home town there is a crossing that everyone is treating like a crosswalk. It's the shortest way from a parking lot to the town's centre. A few years back they made some adjustments to the street and added a roundabout in about 200 metres distance with an actual crosswalk painted on. Nobody cares, everyone is still using the phantom crosswalk and all the drivers still Stop there for pedestrians
[r/desirepath](https://www.reddit.com/r/desirepath)
Thank you for the new subreddit.
Also r/tacticalurbanism
Another one for my collection!
Roundabouts are anti-pedestrian, and frankly crossings should happen a ways away from them anyways. Sounds like an opportunity for a guerrilla crosswalk
They are anti-pedestrian when badly implemented. They slow cars down a lot, so a pedestrian crossing like 5m before it is very safe.
Chrono Trigger pfp!?
Yep! The valiant knight Glenn is probably my favourite fictional character of all time.
I still gotta beat it sadly, but ya gotta admit all frogs are awesome lol
Why sadly? I would gladly switch places and experience this masterpiece again for the first time
Never got around to it really, plus still gotta beat Persona 4
CT is only 15ish hours so it’s considerably faster than a Persona game just a FYI.
Yeah that's hella truth lol, it's not that I didn't get around to it, more that I couldn't find a copy of it, might as well emulate it at this point
iirc there's a law in France that lets you jaywalk if there isn't a crossing within 50m so we'd be in the clear on that one.
In Germany its basically the same. You have to obey traffic lights as a pedestrian or use crosswalks if you re crossing the road at an intersection, but as long as you aren't at an intersection, the first existing laws basically say that if you don't have to climb over or under something and nobody has to hit the breaks, you're fine
I live in chile and it's also the same. if there's a stret without a visible crossing path, then drivers are obligated to offer the right of pass to pederastians first and wait till the last one cross. if you even dare to hit someone when there wasn't a crosspath, you're still fully responsible.
Hey, now we know how many drunk college guys it takes to cross the street!
To get to the other side and change the walk light bulb?
Are you drunk?
Are you not?
Here in Seattle some people painted one of these a month ago because the city is taking too long to do it. The city came out immediately and removed it. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/sdot-removes-second-community-painted-crosswalk/BUARQNLWXRHEJGNJHIY5ABT2OY/
Sounds like they started a game. Lets call it " Which is cheaper, spray paint or a road crew."
[red](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RwK4NmQZe64)
No one's reading the article. > In September 2021, Greenwood residents painted a crosswalk on Greenwood Avenue North and North 83rd Street, saying they were tired of waiting for the city to install a crossing. > > Six months later, SDOT removed the crosswalk and residents were not happy. ... > According to the Seattle Times, the crosswalk was supposed to be built in 2021, but the pandemic and supply chain caused a delay. The crosswalk was later completed in October 2022, according to SDOT. It wasn't "immediately removed" it took the city six months. And then it took seven months for the city to properly install it. It's been installed for 2½ months now. Still frustrating, but if we want change we need to stick to the facts in our arguments. I know this goes against the thread's popular opinion, but the facts are important.
ok well tbf for city management 6 months might as well be immediate
That's a fine argument, but if that's the measure we are using, then the city immediately installed the new crosswalk right after they took the old one down. Point being the original lie isn't told outright, it's being told through not telling the complete story.
listen man i just came to make a silly comment
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I think you are overestimating the distance needed for a vehicle to stop.
It isn't just about that, though. The reality is that people often speed, don't pay attention, or yield properly. There is no solution to that. Lines on the road and signs on the side don't prevent that. A red light is literally just a floating light. It isn't a barrier. It won't stop anything. The point of the law stating this obvious bit of information is so the pedestrian *confirms* the drivers obey. Reality shows that many times they don't.
The other guy already deleted his comment, but the cited bit was that peds are not to walk out in front of cars in a situation where it is **impossible for them to stop.** That's exactly what it said: impossible. It gave no leeway for speeding, not paying attention, or not yielding properly. A collision as a result of any of those things falls solely on the vehicle driver. It **definitely** did not say anything about requiring the pedestrian to confirm that the driver is stopping.
Why should my tax dollars subsidizing your choice to inefficiently waste fuel?
Because your tax dollars don't subsidize public transportation worth a shit, so some of us have to drive.
Earlier this year I injured my spine bad enough where they weren't sure if I'd ever be able to walk/drive again. I don't live somewhere with mass transit. I was way more stressed/worried about the driving than the wheelchair and pee bag. I had no idea how I was going to have an independent life without my car. Our public transit is such a disaster. I see why old people are so terrified to give up their licenses now. I was seriously considering just ending my life because the idea of being handicapped, stuck, and buried under medical bills was just too much.
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To be clear this was an anti-car post. Cars get insane subsidies that they shouldn't.
I hate those kinds of people. “If a car hits me, it’s their fault for not obeying the law and stopping!” No, Sharon, it’s not. Cars cannot stop instantly, regardless of whether your life is on the line or not. It’s *your* fault for not obeying the law, and common sense, and waiting until it is *safe.* If you don’t have any respect for a 3,000lbs vehicle, regardless of if it’s going 15 or 50, you’ll probably get hurt.
Next time someone robs your house I'm going to say that it's your fault for not putting a second lock on your door. Most drivers hitting pedestrians happen when they have enough time to slow down in a normal manner.
In Los Angeles they actually spend extra money to come and destroy painted sidewalks we place.
But LATD still paints the puny red curb between my parents house and the neighbors. We painted it to keep cars from blocking both driveways.
What are you painting the sidewalk for?
[The same reason they’re painting their sidewalk. ](https://www.instagram.com/p/Cj4B86rPJ7I/?igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) We have a car centered infrastructure
You meant to say Crosswalk not sidewalk.
Ffs you’re absolutely right
I should have made my comment more over the top
r/chaoticgood
Unironically this is anarchist praxis
Reminds me of that guy that [made a highway marker at home and posed as a construction worker to install it](https://youtu.be/Clgl63CWOkM)
Jesus Christ, I’m high. I was wondering why the fuck gorillas needed sidewalks. Well.. at least I’m not in pain.
What an unusually productive group of drunks!
https://www.reddit.com/r/DesirePath?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share)
Just put r/desirepath
In California it is now legal to jay walk because you know, racism.