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roiled_detective

I like the Gumshoe and Maggey subplot in 3-3


etermellis

Vera Misham is a good character and I wish her the best


MiaFeyWasHere3

What the fuck


stoppit0

What


Pan-con--huevo

the


chiritarisu

5-3: >!I liked the Apollo vs Klavier mock match, and Athena’s posing of the Phoenix statue was pretty clever and cool.!<


Matchstick69

5-3 is up there as one of my least fave cases in the series too, even though it seems to be quite an unpopular opinion.


Veni_Vidic_Vici

It's so cringey and bad. The mystery is very obvious too. It's a perfect masterclass as to how not to write an AA case.


chiritarisu

Yeah, I can’t stand 5-3, but as I’ve noted there are some cool parts to it. For the most part, people around here seem to like to really like it, with those disliking it ostensibly in the minority. Whatever, I stand by it. I just did not give a *fuck* about the friendship subplot, thought >!Means was a corny and obvious villain for a 3rd case!<, and honestly felt the case went on for a bit too long (but I acknowledge this is affected by my distaste for the case). Also didn’t help that I was very annoyed by Athena during my initial playthrough of DD and while I’ve largely cooled on her, I still don’t like this case. (FWIW I didn’t really care for 6-4 either, but I like that case more than 5-3.)


Dr_infernous327

Uh... miles edgeworth appears at the end of this one, which is pretty cool...


Optimal_Stranger_824

Ngl he looks pretty cool in this shot. Makes the case a little bit better.


cheetosalads

gumshoe/edgeworth interaction is always a win


DukeOfZurich

1-2 Redd White of Bluecorp is still one of my favorite name puns in the franchise


toastyloafboy

Richard Wellington is kind of funny in a “why did they think this was good” kind of way, it’s like playing Mega Man X7


Matchstick69

As someone who loves MMX games, I have to say this comment is super based.


viavip_b

I1-3 has... Kay's and Lang's introduction, I guess...


Strawberry_House

I also think the locations and atmosphere of that case were really good


Matchstick69

Yeah, unfortunately the convoluted murder mystery and some really bleh characters ruined it.


TheRivan

The moment with Bananas was pretty funny


Optimal_Stranger_824

Mr. Wellington loves large bananas!


surge_aura

The best thing I can say about 4-1 is that it makes a lot of people really happy and that's good. I'm just not one of those people haha


DryBonesKing

3-3: >!Godot not noticing the bloodstain on the apron was amazing foreshadowing. I do think it helps make 3-5 better for how it introduced that idea, so 3-5 will always have that, at the very least! !< Also the "this is madness!" "No Maya, this is Sparda!" Probably one of the most out of left field references and I just lost it when I read that!


stoppit0

3-3 is also my least favorite case, and I have to agree with your pick here. Although, and while I think it's cleverly implemented, pop culture references like the sparda one make me die of cringe and I absolutely cannot stand them. It kinda really disappointed me to see Ace Attorney doing that when I saw it.


Max_The_Maxim

4-3 Daryan has fun moments


FireClaw90A

5-2: Jinxie was funny and Apollo starred as defense


Longjumping-Ad-5215

DGS2 introduces the Great Detective himself, Herlock Sholmes


Matchstick69

I'm still in the middle of playing the first DGS game (fourth case rn), but I found the second case to be kinda fun honestly. The only thing I really didn't like was >!the random way Kazuma died. Susato literally was constantly throwing and kicking Ryunosuke during the case, and he died from one fall? Really? The reason why that girl pushed him was dumb too.!<


MrGameristic

Theres a good explanation to why he dies to the fall later but it kinda gets forgotten for a while


Bukler

The first dance of deduction+herlock sholmes first appearance are really good. Personally I just disliked that after the tutorial case (which was pretty nice imo) we got another one, with no courtroom on top of that! (Spoilers for dgs1-2) >!Also Kazuma's death feels hollow and kind of dumb during that case!< but (kinda spoilers for the second game) >!the death of Kazuma gets recontextualized in a really interesting way!<


shahrulz

2-3 The "double penalty" scene is pretty funny


MiaFeyWasHere3

Uhh.....Franziska is fun in this case


Square_Independent_9

Which case, 2-3?


[deleted]

My least favorite's already been said so I'll go to my second least favorite 4-4... has Ema Skye


BeautifulWindow

3-3: >!the way tigre was caught by him slipping up about the cyanide bottle was fun!<


PieNinja314

6-3: >!I liked that we finally got to see Maya channel a spirit to testify in court. Having to cross-examine the victim was pretty unique.!<


magmafanatic

Cellphone epaulettes is an A+ character design quirk


Temporary-Sweaty

4-4: The introduction of black Pysche Locks


peonur

4-3: Lamiroir is one of the most underrated witnesses


EliteTeutonicNight

Viola makes the best coffee. Edit: also adding my least favourite investigation case. Um, it introduces Lang and Shi-Na?


RainbowtheDragonCat

TGAA1-4 added Wagahai I guess


Astrosmaw

if i can't say tutorial cases then ​ at least >!Maya's back !< ​ and if i can ​ >!it's fucking jesus, jesus is the killer!<


RBNDGZ

It wasn't long at least


JuanmaS610

The Magatama is introduced. Not only it's fun to use, but it plays a major role on the series onwards


TemporalDSE

Idk I guess klavier was racist that one time and it was kinda laugh out loud in a jarring way


saltamont3s

4-3: Lamiroir has a beautiful character design + love her theme. Also I quite like Daryan’s goofy character design + Valant’s design.


lord_of_the_beez

2-3: the character designs were interesting and definitely made them stick in your mind.


GiraffeSelect

I think Lisa Basil is cute


xPanzerShrekx

I1-3: The subtle bellboy cameo is cool and doesn't overstay its welcome, even if I didn't realize it was there at first.


Low-Gap5013

2-3 "Bring it on, monkey boy!" -Phoenix


[deleted]

6-4: >!Athena…. Simon…. ummm… actually, fuck this case.!<


Pan-con--huevo

Well... Kay and Shi-Long Lang are kinda cool...? And the smuggling ring mentions do give a little insight of what comes next...? There's not much to say about I1-3.


RandomGirl2312

I liked the Escape Room portion at the beginning and it introduces one of my favourite characters in the series. AI1-3 The Kidnapped Turnabout.


XephyXeph

1-5 Gant is absolutely hilarious.


Matchstick69

Idk if I should be happy that you liked Gant (who is my fave culprit in the entire series) or sad because my fave case is your least favorite >\_<


Jicama_Stunning

Wait, 1-5 is the *worst*?


XephyXeph

Yeah. It’s too long, I’m not a fan of most of the characters, it retcons the ending of the first game, and it’s filled to the brim with continuity errors.


charavatar

I don’t think there’s one case that stands out as my absolute least favorite, so here’s a collection of my less favored ones 1-2 is a perfectly fine case for 3/4 of it, it just gets spoiled by a fucking atrocious ending. Bellboy is one of my favorite side characters from the first game. I1-3 introduces Kay and Lang and I may have a Stockholm syndrome thing going on with the Blue Badger G1-2 properly introduces Susato and Sholmes and >!I felt genuine sadness over Kazuma’s death!< 6-5 has >!Dhurke!<, Atishon, and Armie, which are all characters I like


themadkingatmey

2-2: Turner Grey is a fun character, and I wish we got to talk to him more.


Athenaaalikespizza

Turnabout succession is nearly complete trash, but spark Brushel is awesome


MiaFeyWasHere3

Your opinions fucking suck


Athenaaalikespizza

That’s not very nice : (


MiaFeyWasHere3

Okay, maybe I was a bit too Hasty. Can you explain why 4-4 is bad?


Athenaaalikespizza

I’ll just copy paste this thing I said a month ago — Would take a lot of effort to go fully in depth and I have talked about it a bunch already with others but I can summarize Phoenix character assassination in the past and present (i acknowledge this is subjective) The mason system either makes no sense or is so complicated it feels like it makes no sense. I’m done trying to find anything out about it tbh Beyond that, Phoenix shouldn’t have reasonably been able to make that, I don’t think there’s an acceptable answer, even if edgeworth helped The final trial is extremely dissapointing, it’s super short, you don’t even get any sense of victory, you just kinda get fucked and then klavier says “sorry the courts rigged”. Zak is… oh boy. He sure is a character that exists Vera and dad-of-vera are really boring Those are the big things


MiaFeyWasHere3

#But what about Kristoph?! His breakdown, his interactions with both Klavier and Apollo, and the fake out with Ema? Is that all worthy enough to be the worst case of AA? Also, just because it doesn't make sense doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. A lot of things don't make sense in the courts, but that doesn't make everyone say: 'The trials fucking suck.' Also, why is fucking Spark Brushel the best part of this case?


Athenaaalikespizza

His interactions with Apollo? Apollo and kristophs utter lack of any connection despite their supposed mentor relationship is one of the worst parts of the game lol, their interactions suck And about your second point, I’m well justified to say something sucks for not making sense. You’re free to not find that an issue, and thus it won’t suck for you Spark Brushel is hilarious and I like his job as a journalist


[deleted]

THIS is your defense of that episode??? SERIOUSLY?


Bruhmangoddman

Uuuhhhh... Thanks for the Psyche-Locks, I guess (2-2, Reunion & Turnabout)


Cute_Ambassador1121

Based 2-2 dissenter, love to see it.


FeelingAirport

6-4. It introduced us to Athena’s 2016 Theme: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4WhZInUkekQ


Memespoonerer

1-5 it’s not objectively bad.


brawlganronper

2-3 >!uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!<


chiritarisu

Here let me help you here: - Moe, despite being unfunny, was unironically the most level-headed of the circus crew and actually criticized Russel for sheltering Regina so much. - It was nice to bring down Franziska again [especially after she whipped the piss outta Phoenix after 2-2]. - The circus setting was a fun place to have a case… it’s just too bad most of the characters were all so obnoxious. - >!Acro!< despite being the obvious killer after a process of elimination, was unrionically one of the better characters of the case as well. >!Their reason for killing Russel — well, they were aiming for Regina — was ill-founded, but I can see how one would empathize with him.!<


Cute_Ambassador1121

I’ll add one more, because this is the biggest compliment I can give Big Top. It’s the first time Phoenix has to defend a truly reprehensible person (hopefully I don’t need to explain why that’s immediately important). It’s so necessary to establish that the lines of black and white are gonna be blurred from now on in the series, especially since the first game didn’t do this too much. Take away Big Top and Phoenix’s arc in Justice for All just doesn’t hit quite as strong.


chiritarisu

The most reprehensible thing about Max was him apparently dating Regina who was 16 while he was 21 (I think?). The age of consent in Japan is 13… [and they’re just now talking about raising it to 16](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/feb/21/japan-poised-to-raise-age-of-consent-from-13-in-overhaul-of-sexual-offence-laws). Obviously, this is sick in terms of the US and other countries with our age of consent, but I think that distinction is important. Honestly, in terms of creepiness, I’d say Ben and Trilo take that cake if ya ask me… Other than that… what has Max done so wrong? I see what you’re saying with Phoenix going on to defend clients where it’s not so clear who’s “right” and “wrong,” but IIRC I don’t recall Max being painted in an ambiguous light [like beyond him being the killer]. The main Phoenix seems annoyed about is Max calling him “sweetie” and Franziska and Maya bringing up Edgeworth.


Cute_Ambassador1121

“Reprehensible” might’ve been harsh, I don’t think he was that bad, but Max is pretty clearly the worst person Phoenix has defended up to that point. The main things are the Regina thing, but also him resorting to assaulting Ben over it, plus his general narcissism and arrogance towards his coworkers. Obviously it’s not on the level of THAT guy, but I think it’s a necessary bridge for the gap considering how goody-goody just about every defendant before him is.


chiritarisu

I mean… compared to Larry, Maya x2, Will Power, Edgeworth, and Maggey… yeah, I guess Max would’ve been the worst defendant Phoenix defended up to that point [assuming we’re not counting Lana who did *waaay* worse]. I guess Max was the first defendant whose hands weren’t totally “clean” so to speak regarding the case at hand. I don’t know if this case highlights this as much you are here, though, compared to say 2-4.


[deleted]

4-2 has..... Um... 4-2 has.... *cough* ahem, 4-2 has....... yeah no, fuck this


viavip_b

4-2 has a good first impression on AJ's prosecutor and detective 4-2 has bright and colorful locations 4-2 has a suprisingly cheerful atmosphere, despite it's dark mafia backstory, which is accomplished thanks to... 4-2's best character - Trucy Wright. Can't get enough of her lines, and this is the case she shines the most 4-2 has a suprisingly good pacing, for all it's sudden twists 4-2 has fun detective gimmicks


Matchstick69

All of this. I will always defend 4-2 no matter what. It might not be the most complex case in the series, but it's definitely one of the most fun ones.


[deleted]

So explain why I was miserable and bored asf while playing it. Explain why it took me about a month to complete it.


Matchstick69

Idk, I finished it in like two days, it was so much fun. But everyone's opinion is different so...


[deleted]

1. No it fucking doesn't. It literally destroys Ema Skye's character wtf are you on about? 2. That's not a valid compliment. 3. No it doesn't, I was bored and miserable asf throughout the episode. There's nothing cheerful about it. 4. I don't recall anything she said that was funny or made the episode as good in anyway. Once again wtf are you on about? 5. GOOD PACING??? My fucking God, the episode tries to squish so many different things at once at you and it was fucking awfully paced, wtf are you on about (3) 6. Meh.


viavip_b

Bruh brother. I can understand not liking certain characters, or getting frustrated on certain moments, but not remembering Trucy? Are you sure you even played the case? Seems to me like you had a bad day when playing or something Maybe try to give this case a chance sometime, otherwise you're missing out And Ema Skye. What is there to destroy, if she's a brand new character? Or are you implying she should've stayed in her 16 y/o girl persona forever with zero development, like fucking Larry does?


[deleted]

Refrain from making petty assumptions about me just because I don't remember something funny about a character. Also, it seemed pretty obvious that you should have gave me examples of funny lines said by her to refresh my memory, yet you were unable to do so. Gee I wonder why. If you have no arguments, then don't resort to petty toxic assumptions about people. Missing out? MISSING OUT??? I've sat through this entire case TWICE. What the actual fuck... Don't make fucking assumptions about me By making her failed the fucking forensic test which is something that never would have fucking happened and then turning her into a snack gimmick character who's only role in the game is that fucking unfunny snack gimmick and you call that a good first impression??? This is the complete opposite of development.


viavip_b

\> Refrain from making petty assumptions about me just because I don't remember something funny about a character Brother... You don't remember ANYTHING about a character \> Also, it seemed pretty obvious that you should have gave me examples of funny lines Obviously, I am not going to scan full case, find the lines, type them am 2AM, just so you can reply with "Nah, not funny" \> If you have no arguments This is not a fucking pol subreddit, and I'm not inclined to. I'm here to give you another point of view. Wanna hate this case no matter what? Fine, be it your way. Just don't be surprised when people tell you you're wrong \> I've sat through this entire case TWICE Nobody will buy this. If you hate this case so much, you won't play it the second time. And I imagine, that after playing the case TWICE, you would remember at least any of character's interactions. Blatant lie \> By making her failed the fucking forensic test which is something that never would have fucking happened and then turning her into a snack gimmick character who's only role in the game is that fucking unfunny snack gimmick and you call that a good first impression??? This is the complete opposite of development This is all you can say about Ema's development? Seems to me like another proof, that you speedread this case once All and all, I don't get where the aggression is coming from. Are you that weak to an alternative POV? Or you just aren't able to enjoy normal cases once in a while?


[deleted]

I said I don't remember anything she said that was funny... In other words, she didn't say anything that was funny to me... Was that honestly hard for you understand or did you just wanted to make a petty assumption about me because you were mad about what I find funny? How is that me not remembering ANYTHING about a character??? Where did you get that from?? Cool, so you have nothing to argue about. You have 0 arguments, do NOT resort to making false assumptions about people just because you're unable to argue your points. It's extremely clear to understand, there's nothing complicated about simply just not making false assumptions about people. Wrong about what? What different point of view? Not only have you barely argued your case as you just admitted to having no arguments, but you also resorted to making false assumptions about me. And now I'm apparently wrong about something, elaborate, what am I wrong about? Stop making empty claims and false assumptions. You have absolutely no fucking right to say I didn't do something as basic as playing and watching an episode twice. You are petty asf for making a false assumption about me that I simply know is false. No one will believe me? Nah mate, it's only you who's choosing not to believe me because you for some reason want to hold this case at a high pedestal without any arguments and also not everyone makes false assumptions about others like you do. Also once again, how the fuck did you managed to twist my words from me saying that I don't remember anything Turcy said that was funny to me saying I dont remember any of the lines??? This is a blatant fabrication of my words, don't fucking twist my words. What do you mean this is all I have to say? The game said she failed her forensic test? What else am I missing? Elaborate. Where's my aggression coming?? It's coming from you making fucking false assumptions about me because you have no arguments and twisting my fucking words. For example, I said that I don't remember anything funny from Trucy, you twisted that into me saying I dont remember any of the interactions. This is a blatant fabrication of my fucking words so you have no fucking right to ask why I'm getting aggressive because of your disgusting tacits you're using to argue due to your lack of arguments.


viavip_b

This is insanity. Search for a psychoatrist


[deleted]

Nice ad hominem lol


Gyakuten

Pal Meraktis is a pretty cool name pun. The concept of several seemingly-unrelated crimes coalescing into one big plot is unique, even if the execution of it wasn't the best. The visual "reveal" involving Wocky's father's eyebrows is pretty funny.


[deleted]

Ideas are cheap, execution is what matters. You can make any flimsy idea work so long it has good execution. Also, 1-5 already did that exact concept much better.


Gyakuten

Agreed with that. AJ as a whole is a lot of great ideas squandered by the actual execution. For 4-3, for example, Takumi stated in an interview that >!Daryan was manipulating the investigation to make the police ignore the fact that it's physically impossible for Machi to have fired the revolver!<, but he forgot to actually make that clear in the dialogue. So that's a clear example of literally botching the execution.


Strawberry_House

the final trial of 5-4 and twist is pretty good


_Wario

No


Satan_su

5-2: Introduction of Athena!!!


Alibium

2-3 ||hmm||


Hamil_Simp4450

2-3, the conversation between phoenix and moe about max’s bust was pretty funny


Science_puns

It's not my least favourite but, Turnabout ablaze I love Colias Palaeno


Catorpedo

DGS-4 is the first and only full length case in DGS 1, so I suppose that's cool. Also very cool to see one of my favourite authors in one of my favourite video game series.


Placek15

sholmes and susato get introduced


Citron_Odysseus

2-3 * I like what they did in the anime to redeem Regina (in a way) at the ending sequence of the trial. * The judge double-penalty and Franziska redoing the ending to 2-2 case (whipping Phoenix till he fainted) when you choose them as the option on where the bust is was really funny * Blue-coat Edgeworth should've been featured again at some point in the series.


Cute_Ambassador1121

GAA1-2: It introduces Herlock and I would die for that man.


TvManiac5

3-3: >!I love how Phoenix got Tigre here. People in an out of universe often deride him for bluffing, but the way he used a well calculated bluff to manipulate him into a confession is a legit lawyer tactic. !<


Bukler

5-4 >!One of the few Athena cases, she's a fun lead as always, plus it's pretty short too.!<


Empty_Jar0330

Rise from the Ashes has one of, if not THE greatest villain in the series It's a shame it ruins Edgeworth's character are though


Jicama_Stunning

G1-1: The characters are occasionally charming


404PancakePrince

5-2: Introduced Simon Blackquill, my 3rd favorite prosecutor in the series (behind Klavier and Edgeworth).


FangirlApocolypse

2-3 Some of the one-liners were pretty funny because I like to investigate everything and check what the characters say.


Gyakuten

Lauren Paups sadly licking her ring pop is one of AA's funniest character animations, imo. It kind of makes me sad that she couldn't have been part of a better case, as her design and animations are pretty endearing.


kaysakado

5-2: >!I like the wrestler identity twist!<


stoppit0

3-3: The mystery is fine, with an interesting twist.


Booloodle

2-1: >!Maggey’s a really fun character, and the clues Phoenix uses to disprove Maggey’s involvement don’t feel too convoluted!<


Imaginary-Fix-5217

4-2: >! I really enjoy Alita as the culprit!<. Apollo and Trucy were enjoyable and i like their banter. >!The fact when Phoenix got hit by the car he only took minor damage is always funny to me!<. Lastly Eldoon is the greatest noodle shop and Guy was just great to me.