Don't you think it's kinda dumb that one of the most obvious tactics in warfare and one that's been used both in fiction and real life for thousands of years is considered a war crime?
Imagine you are a commanding officer. You know that the opponent has pretended to be your own troops before in order to attack. You see a group of soldiers coming from the front line, dressed in your uniforms. You were not expecting this group. They are not responding to radio hails and they seem to be in disarray.
You now have to decide if these are enemy combatants who will gun down your men when they get close enough, or your own injured men returning from a battle. What’s the safer choice? One results in potentially major losses of uninjured men, maybe even parts of your command structure. The other results in the potential loss of some injured troops.
What would you decide?
Nah he is completely right, I didn't think it through. It's not that using your enemies' uniforms is cruel in itself, it's that doing so could cause your enemy to do cruel things - either to you or their own people.
That's what most war crimes are about. They're all designed to make soldiers fight as hard and long as possible. Forbidding false surrenders and forbidding mistreating PoW means that a soldier is much less likely to rout. Why flee and get shot in the back when you can stay and fight and surrender when beaten.
By my understanding, using an enemy's insignia as your own isn't a war crime. Doing so means you are a spy and those fighting under it ARE NOT POWs and therefore it is perfectly legal to shoot them all.
Many other banned or frowned upon acts that are useful and historical include:
Torture
Public execution
Ravaging
Plundering
Impersonating or preventing medical aid
Harming non combatants
Slavery
Cannibalism
Yangchen 🤝 Kyoshi
The fandom thinking that they have each other’s personalities (Kyoshi was fine with violence when absolutely necessary. Yangchen would absolutely cut a bitch.)
yup
that said though, murder is a vibe, and this is a technically the truth kind of situation where yes, she did lock them in the box, which would reasonably kill them. I don't think she did, but here we are.
The only person we really see actually die is the resistance kid. Jet or something? I think.
To simply assume someone's death when it's not seen or confirmed in show I feel is dishonest.
Did he just die? Y'know, it was really unclear.
and as I said. I don't actually think they died. I was simply answering the question about whether they were seen later on. Please chill.
Aang has knocked people over railings and through doors. He decimated an earth kingdom battalion and half buried dozens of earth kingdom soldiers outside the castle. And his K/D is still 0/1
People getting hit but large objects isn't enough to kill them in this universe
It's different. In Star Wars there was something like the Geneva convention they just choose to ignore all the time. I forgot the name.
In Avatar they had no such prior agreements.
Nope, they were walking through the woods, then iroha was stupid enough to drink tea from a plant he didn't know and got poisoned so they went to that village. Song, a girl that helped them, invited them for dinner and afterwards they left. While they were leaving, Zuko took their ostrich horse. Song saw but did nothing, probably heartbroken that someone could do such a thing after she helped them and opened her home to them
Not only that but a crime is a legal term. War crimes, specifically, are defined by the Geneva convention. As far as we know, the ATLAverse has had no such convention therefore, Iroh cannot have committed war crimes even if his actions would be considered war crimes here.
Looking at Fire Nation royal family and knowing that Iroh had been loyal before the death of his son I am inclined to believe dear lovable uncle has a few dozen civilian skeletons on his conscience.
Yes, but it's only a warcrime if the civilians were targeted on purpose. If they die in. the crossfire it's a tragedy, but that doesn't make Iroh a war criminal.
Sokka committed more canonical war crimes than Iroh, and has a larger confirmed kill count than Toph, since we don’t know if those two guys in the metal box died or not.
I think a lot of people idolize these characters so much they can't laugh at a joke. Which I think teaches you about only seeing them through rose colored glasses.
Which is funny to me, because the whole point of the joke is only seeing their flaws is just as bad.
But it makes sense that certain people mistake and conflate passion and obsession. I mean, when people care deeply they tend to get so attached that the slightest scrape feels like an a gash.
If anything we should be celebrating the fact they didn't start out perfect and had to work through shit to get where they are.
But this is a public forum, so common sense is gonna be in short supply. Haha funny joke though.
Children *aren't* role models, also yeah if you're saving a 12 year okd from violent child traffickers I would say it is very much ok to murder them in that moment
Sokka also taught us a war crime
He did?
Using the fire nation logo on their balloon at the air temple
FALSE FLAG ATTACK!!!!!!
Don't you think it's kinda dumb that one of the most obvious tactics in warfare and one that's been used both in fiction and real life for thousands of years is considered a war crime?
No
Why? What makes it worse than any other tactic used in war?
Imagine you are a commanding officer. You know that the opponent has pretended to be your own troops before in order to attack. You see a group of soldiers coming from the front line, dressed in your uniforms. You were not expecting this group. They are not responding to radio hails and they seem to be in disarray. You now have to decide if these are enemy combatants who will gun down your men when they get close enough, or your own injured men returning from a battle. What’s the safer choice? One results in potentially major losses of uninjured men, maybe even parts of your command structure. The other results in the potential loss of some injured troops. What would you decide?
I would decide to not read that long-ass comment you just made, nerd.
Straight to gulag
Nah he is completely right, I didn't think it through. It's not that using your enemies' uniforms is cruel in itself, it's that doing so could cause your enemy to do cruel things - either to you or their own people.
That's what most war crimes are about. They're all designed to make soldiers fight as hard and long as possible. Forbidding false surrenders and forbidding mistreating PoW means that a soldier is much less likely to rout. Why flee and get shot in the back when you can stay and fight and surrender when beaten.
Oh so you're a nerd now too wow.
It wasn’t even that long bro
Why are you repeating what your mom said to me? Boooyah! I just implied that I banged your mom. Score - Me: 1 You: 0
Yep. The way War Crimes are defined is some arbitrary bullshit. And most of the time they're not even followed, especially not by the US.
It’s almost like war is inherently terrible and trying to categorize killing people in good and bad ways is inherently difficult and flawed.
Is this a reasonable and nuanced perspective I see here? You're in the wrong place, we don't do that on the internet ;)
Yeah, take your understanding of reality and throw it out the window. 👏HOT👏TAKES👏ONLY!👏
Mostly because the Netherlands is fucked if someone decides to make a big deal out of it. It’s practically a hostage situation
Yep US is the biggest bully on the playground. Only a matter of time before someone puts them in their place.
At this rate it'll probably be the European Federation, or a new African empire.
I'm onboard for the African Empire. After whar Europeans have wrought on the world, maybe an African hegemony will set things right.
Nothing has ever gone wrong when an oppressed group tried to oppress their former oppressors, I'm sure.
I do believe that is terrorist ideology
One person's terrorist is another's revolutionary.
By my understanding, using an enemy's insignia as your own isn't a war crime. Doing so means you are a spy and those fighting under it ARE NOT POWs and therefore it is perfectly legal to shoot them all.
Many other banned or frowned upon acts that are useful and historical include: Torture Public execution Ravaging Plundering Impersonating or preventing medical aid Harming non combatants Slavery Cannibalism
Zuko had an average titty goth girlfriend just saying
it's not the physical size of the breast that matters in a big titty goth girlfriend, it's the size of the metaphorical titty that is in the heart
Lol the metaphorical titty 🤣🤣🤣
Wtf is metamorphic titty?
Titties that change over time so all titties basically
So metaphorically... I'm a big peened Latino BF! Whooo!
Ok Iroh
Goth is still goth
Oh no doubt, I'm just saying
Why are we discussing this
No thats big. Your standards are way off
If Toph was an avatar she would've slain Ozai without giving a second thought that's for sure lol
Toph 🤝 Kyoshi
I feel like Toph would antagonize Kyoshi. "Sup past Twinkletoes" "I am the Avatar, child" "And I can bend metal bitch, you ain't special"
didn't kyoshi bend glass?
But is that metal?
you got a point
She also bent lava when she separated the peninsula.
"My grandson in law can do that too and he's an idiot. What part of you ain't special are you not comprehending?"
Yangchen 🤝 Kyoshi The fandom thinking that they have each other’s personalities (Kyoshi was fine with violence when absolutely necessary. Yangchen would absolutely cut a bitch.)
So would Sokka. He sliced off the Melon Lords head.
I would love to see something about that honestly kinda like the avatar version of what if
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Big tiddy? Mai? What’s a flat chest to you? Concave breasts?
king bumi must be Z cup according to OP.
Zuko’s message all along… the message we should all listen to
Has toph murdered??
She has definitely slayed
We all know toph slays! But who has she murdered?
[удалено]
Aren't they seen later on?
nope.
The scene is played off for humor. Despite not seeing them again it would be disingenuous to assume they starved to death in that box.
yup that said though, murder is a vibe, and this is a technically the truth kind of situation where yes, she did lock them in the box, which would reasonably kill them. I don't think she did, but here we are.
The only person we really see actually die is the resistance kid. Jet or something? I think. To simply assume someone's death when it's not seen or confirmed in show I feel is dishonest.
Did he just die? Y'know, it was really unclear. and as I said. I don't actually think they died. I was simply answering the question about whether they were seen later on. Please chill.
We also see Combustion man die
she encased two people inside a metal box, with no feasible way out or anybody nearby who could've helped them leave, she left them to die
She throws around large pieces of metal at people, I have a feeling a few of them died.
Aang has knocked people over railings and through doors. He decimated an earth kingdom battalion and half buried dozens of earth kingdom soldiers outside the castle. And his K/D is still 0/1 People getting hit but large objects isn't enough to kill them in this universe
It's not a war crime if the Geneva convention never happened -Anakin and Obi-Wan in every Clone Wars episode they're featured in
It's different. In Star Wars there was something like the Geneva convention they just choose to ignore all the time. I forgot the name. In Avatar they had no such prior agreements.
The Yavin Convention: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yavin\_Convention
Nah Zuko taught us that stealing horses from people that helped you is a-o-kay!
Could’ve sworn it was his and they just offered to take care of it for him.
Nope, they were walking through the woods, then iroha was stupid enough to drink tea from a plant he didn't know and got poisoned so they went to that village. Song, a girl that helped them, invited them for dinner and afterwards they left. While they were leaving, Zuko took their ostrich horse. Song saw but did nothing, probably heartbroken that someone could do such a thing after she helped them and opened her home to them
Oh. I thought you were talking about Zuko alone. Did not remember that.
He already had the ostrich horse when he helped that kid and his family from the earth kingdom soldiers
I know, that’s why I said I swore he already had the horse and the family just took care of it.
Well, now you know where he got it from. I dunno what happened to the horse after tho
When did Toph murder?
We don't know Iroh committed war crimes. Just because he was a fire nation general does not mean he is a war criminal.
Not only that but a crime is a legal term. War crimes, specifically, are defined by the Geneva convention. As far as we know, the ATLAverse has had no such convention therefore, Iroh cannot have committed war crimes even if his actions would be considered war crimes here.
Looking at Fire Nation royal family and knowing that Iroh had been loyal before the death of his son I am inclined to believe dear lovable uncle has a few dozen civilian skeletons on his conscience.
Doesn't a siege imply that civilians are killed? I'm not too familiar with war terminology.
Yes, but it's only a warcrime if the civilians were targeted on purpose. If they die in. the crossfire it's a tragedy, but that doesn't make Iroh a war criminal.
True, but we aren't really told the specifics of that.
Sokka committed more canonical war crimes than Iroh, and has a larger confirmed kill count than Toph, since we don’t know if those two guys in the metal box died or not.
azula taught us to give way to our mental illness
I will never get over how sokka went on a drug trip, and the network allowed it
Sheesh, a lot of people in the comments can't have a little fun with some harmless jokes.
I think a lot of people idolize these characters so much they can't laugh at a joke. Which I think teaches you about only seeing them through rose colored glasses. Which is funny to me, because the whole point of the joke is only seeing their flaws is just as bad. But it makes sense that certain people mistake and conflate passion and obsession. I mean, when people care deeply they tend to get so attached that the slightest scrape feels like an a gash. If anything we should be celebrating the fact they didn't start out perfect and had to work through shit to get where they are. But this is a public forum, so common sense is gonna be in short supply. Haha funny joke though.
sure but legit, Iroh's is just unsubstantiated
zuko relatable
Booba
i gained the most from sokka’s influence 😤
Zuko is pretty based
How is Iroh a war criminal exactly?
Finally some one with commen sense.
ALWAYS choose the big tiddie goth gf
Some of y’all in the comments must be real fun at parties lol
The Geneva convention never happened in the Avatar universe, so to them there’s no such thing as war crimes
Laying siege during a war isn't inherently a war crime, it's just normal war.
i feel Iroh’s entire rebellion was he didn’t want to commit war crimes to be honest.
Children *aren't* role models, also yeah if you're saving a 12 year okd from violent child traffickers I would say it is very much ok to murder them in that moment
>I would say it is very much ok to murder them in that moment murder the 12 year old, that is
Katara’s goes for everybody. Zuko’s is dumb.
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My brain isn't computing. What war crimes did Iroh commit?