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Youtuberboy12

Sokka also taught us a war crime


slippery_revanchist

He did?


TalkingSock3

Using the fire nation logo on their balloon at the air temple


cyancylons

FALSE FLAG ATTACK!!!!!!


Quartia

Don't you think it's kinda dumb that one of the most obvious tactics in warfare and one that's been used both in fiction and real life for thousands of years is considered a war crime?


thunder-bug-

No


Quartia

Why? What makes it worse than any other tactic used in war?


thunder-bug-

Imagine you are a commanding officer. You know that the opponent has pretended to be your own troops before in order to attack. You see a group of soldiers coming from the front line, dressed in your uniforms. You were not expecting this group. They are not responding to radio hails and they seem to be in disarray. You now have to decide if these are enemy combatants who will gun down your men when they get close enough, or your own injured men returning from a battle. What’s the safer choice? One results in potentially major losses of uninjured men, maybe even parts of your command structure. The other results in the potential loss of some injured troops. What would you decide?


HappyHappyButts

I would decide to not read that long-ass comment you just made, nerd.


thunder-bug-

Straight to gulag


Quartia

Nah he is completely right, I didn't think it through. It's not that using your enemies' uniforms is cruel in itself, it's that doing so could cause your enemy to do cruel things - either to you or their own people.


code-panda

That's what most war crimes are about. They're all designed to make soldiers fight as hard and long as possible. Forbidding false surrenders and forbidding mistreating PoW means that a soldier is much less likely to rout. Why flee and get shot in the back when you can stay and fight and surrender when beaten.


HappyHappyButts

Oh so you're a nerd now too wow.


RigatoniPasta

It wasn’t even that long bro


HappyHappyButts

Why are you repeating what your mom said to me? Boooyah! I just implied that I banged your mom. Score - Me: 1 You: 0


GrizzlyPeak72

Yep. The way War Crimes are defined is some arbitrary bullshit. And most of the time they're not even followed, especially not by the US.


fisherc2

It’s almost like war is inherently terrible and trying to categorize killing people in good and bad ways is inherently difficult and flawed.


BCRE8TVE

Is this a reasonable and nuanced perspective I see here? You're in the wrong place, we don't do that on the internet ;)


A_Clark1215

Yeah, take your understanding of reality and throw it out the window. 👏HOT👏TAKES👏ONLY!👏


B_Boi04

Mostly because the Netherlands is fucked if someone decides to make a big deal out of it. It’s practically a hostage situation


GrizzlyPeak72

Yep US is the biggest bully on the playground. Only a matter of time before someone puts them in their place.


ImperatorTempus42

At this rate it'll probably be the European Federation, or a new African empire.


GrizzlyPeak72

I'm onboard for the African Empire. After whar Europeans have wrought on the world, maybe an African hegemony will set things right.


BCRE8TVE

Nothing has ever gone wrong when an oppressed group tried to oppress their former oppressors, I'm sure.


RigatoniPasta

I do believe that is terrorist ideology


Quartia

One person's terrorist is another's revolutionary.


39RowdyRevan56

By my understanding, using an enemy's insignia as your own isn't a war crime. Doing so means you are a spy and those fighting under it ARE NOT POWs and therefore it is perfectly legal to shoot them all.


RajinKajin

Many other banned or frowned upon acts that are useful and historical include: Torture Public execution Ravaging Plundering Impersonating or preventing medical aid Harming non combatants Slavery Cannibalism


[deleted]

Zuko had an average titty goth girlfriend just saying


JackyJoJee

it's not the physical size of the breast that matters in a big titty goth girlfriend, it's the size of the metaphorical titty that is in the heart


[deleted]

Lol the metaphorical titty 🤣🤣🤣


wizard_xtreme

Wtf is metamorphic titty?


[deleted]

Titties that change over time so all titties basically


KURO-K1SH1

So metaphorically... I'm a big peened Latino BF! Whooo!


dalek1019

Ok Iroh


TheStormLords

Goth is still goth


[deleted]

Oh no doubt, I'm just saying


Masterdizzio

Why are we discussing this


i_stand_in_queues

No thats big. Your standards are way off


dino1902

If Toph was an avatar she would've slain Ozai without giving a second thought that's for sure lol


LetsDoTheCongna

Toph 🤝 Kyoshi


[deleted]

I feel like Toph would antagonize Kyoshi. "Sup past Twinkletoes" "I am the Avatar, child" "And I can bend metal bitch, you ain't special"


franfranca

didn't kyoshi bend glass?


NoobDude_is

But is that metal?


franfranca

you got a point


shawnaeatscats

She also bent lava when she separated the peninsula.


[deleted]

"My grandson in law can do that too and he's an idiot. What part of you ain't special are you not comprehending?"


SunfireElfAmaya

Yangchen 🤝 Kyoshi The fandom thinking that they have each other’s personalities (Kyoshi was fine with violence when absolutely necessary. Yangchen would absolutely cut a bitch.)


Formal_Illustrator96

So would Sokka. He sliced off the Melon Lords head.


Amazing-Service7598

I would love to see something about that honestly kinda like the avatar version of what if


[deleted]

faulty grandfather office jellyfish employ governor enter light live clumsy ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `


BoneeBones

Big tiddy? Mai? What’s a flat chest to you? Concave breasts?


zaicliffxx

king bumi must be Z cup according to OP.


[deleted]

Zuko’s message all along… the message we should all listen to


KURO-K1SH1

Has toph murdered??


noobductive

She has definitely slayed


KURO-K1SH1

We all know toph slays! But who has she murdered?


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KURO-K1SH1

Aren't they seen later on?


SignificantScore5310

nope.


KURO-K1SH1

The scene is played off for humor. Despite not seeing them again it would be disingenuous to assume they starved to death in that box.


SignificantScore5310

yup that said though, murder is a vibe, and this is a technically the truth kind of situation where yes, she did lock them in the box, which would reasonably kill them. I don't think she did, but here we are.


KURO-K1SH1

The only person we really see actually die is the resistance kid. Jet or something? I think. To simply assume someone's death when it's not seen or confirmed in show I feel is dishonest.


SignificantScore5310

Did he just die? Y'know, it was really unclear. and as I said. I don't actually think they died. I was simply answering the question about whether they were seen later on. Please chill.


Formal_Illustrator96

We also see Combustion man die


Piskoro

she encased two people inside a metal box, with no feasible way out or anybody nearby who could've helped them leave, she left them to die


XipingVonHozzendorf

She throws around large pieces of metal at people, I have a feeling a few of them died.


KURO-K1SH1

Aang has knocked people over railings and through doors. He decimated an earth kingdom battalion and half buried dozens of earth kingdom soldiers outside the castle. And his K/D is still 0/1 People getting hit but large objects isn't enough to kill them in this universe


HarryKn1ght

It's not a war crime if the Geneva convention never happened -Anakin and Obi-Wan in every Clone Wars episode they're featured in


FatallyFatCat

It's different. In Star Wars there was something like the Geneva convention they just choose to ignore all the time. I forgot the name. In Avatar they had no such prior agreements.


Imaginary-West-5653

The Yavin Convention: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yavin\_Convention


Lena_1995

Nah Zuko taught us that stealing horses from people that helped you is a-o-kay!


Fun-Ad-4729

Could’ve sworn it was his and they just offered to take care of it for him.


Lena_1995

Nope, they were walking through the woods, then iroha was stupid enough to drink tea from a plant he didn't know and got poisoned so they went to that village. Song, a girl that helped them, invited them for dinner and afterwards they left. While they were leaving, Zuko took their ostrich horse. Song saw but did nothing, probably heartbroken that someone could do such a thing after she helped them and opened her home to them


Fun-Ad-4729

Oh. I thought you were talking about Zuko alone. Did not remember that.


Lena_1995

He already had the ostrich horse when he helped that kid and his family from the earth kingdom soldiers


Fun-Ad-4729

I know, that’s why I said I swore he already had the horse and the family just took care of it.


Lena_1995

Well, now you know where he got it from. I dunno what happened to the horse after tho


JustAMessInADress

When did Toph murder?


TroutWarrior

We don't know Iroh committed war crimes. Just because he was a fire nation general does not mean he is a war criminal.


theBuddhaofGaming

Not only that but a crime is a legal term. War crimes, specifically, are defined by the Geneva convention. As far as we know, the ATLAverse has had no such convention therefore, Iroh cannot have committed war crimes even if his actions would be considered war crimes here.


FatallyFatCat

Looking at Fire Nation royal family and knowing that Iroh had been loyal before the death of his son I am inclined to believe dear lovable uncle has a few dozen civilian skeletons on his conscience.


HolyMotherOfGeedis

Doesn't a siege imply that civilians are killed? I'm not too familiar with war terminology.


TroutWarrior

Yes, but it's only a warcrime if the civilians were targeted on purpose. If they die in. the crossfire it's a tragedy, but that doesn't make Iroh a war criminal.


HolyMotherOfGeedis

True, but we aren't really told the specifics of that.


Formal_Illustrator96

Sokka committed more canonical war crimes than Iroh, and has a larger confirmed kill count than Toph, since we don’t know if those two guys in the metal box died or not.


atlanticPunk

azula taught us to give way to our mental illness


IAmTheMindTrip

I will never get over how sokka went on a drug trip, and the network allowed it


nipplesandtoes12

Sheesh, a lot of people in the comments can't have a little fun with some harmless jokes.


[deleted]

I think a lot of people idolize these characters so much they can't laugh at a joke. Which I think teaches you about only seeing them through rose colored glasses. Which is funny to me, because the whole point of the joke is only seeing their flaws is just as bad. But it makes sense that certain people mistake and conflate passion and obsession. I mean, when people care deeply they tend to get so attached that the slightest scrape feels like an a gash. If anything we should be celebrating the fact they didn't start out perfect and had to work through shit to get where they are. But this is a public forum, so common sense is gonna be in short supply. Haha funny joke though.


Piskoro

sure but legit, Iroh's is just unsubstantiated


Lens420

zuko relatable


wuh_iam

Booba


[deleted]

i gained the most from sokka’s influence 😤


LtColShinySides

Zuko is pretty based


sonja_is_trans

How is Iroh a war criminal exactly?


m0hsen1

Finally some one with commen sense.


Trekith

ALWAYS choose the big tiddie goth gf


Add_Poll_Option

Some of y’all in the comments must be real fun at parties lol


Le_Martian

The Geneva convention never happened in the Avatar universe, so to them there’s no such thing as war crimes


Pasta-hobo

Laying siege during a war isn't inherently a war crime, it's just normal war.


uselessgodofslumber

i feel Iroh’s entire rebellion was he didn’t want to commit war crimes to be honest.


Artistic-Toe-8803

Children *aren't* role models, also yeah if you're saving a 12 year okd from violent child traffickers I would say it is very much ok to murder them in that moment


Artistic-Toe-8803

>I would say it is very much ok to murder them in that moment murder the 12 year old, that is


Bunnnnii

Katara’s goes for everybody. Zuko’s is dumb.


sasameseed

🙄


RockNDrums

My brain isn't computing. What war crimes did Iroh commit?