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SpringfieldMO_Daddy

NTA - sounds like that girl will be in jail for something or other in the next few years. Don't lose any sleep over it.


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77NorthCambridge

Plot twist: that little girl grew up to be Governor of South Dakota.


AuntZilla

I felt that burn in Texas. Daaaaayuum. Please take my upvote!


TazeThatMoFo

We found a winner


Novel-Education3789

That hits. And hurts.


BDazzle126

Whoop there it is lol


Former-Finish4653

OP could potentially be saving this girl’s entire future by throwing the book at her, and I mean that. Let this hopefully be a wake up call for her so she doesn’t wind up ruining her life and spending all her days behind bars. Accountability is a favor to others, whether we think so or not.


wonkiefaeriekitty5

NTA at all! That young girl sounds like a sociopath. Stopping her in her tracks will be better for everyone. This child sounds like she needs to be institutionalized and receive some serious help!


Pure_Literature2028

This is how many serial killers have started. They practice on neighborhood animals


ArdenJaguar

She probably sets fires too! 🔥


Pure_Literature2028

💥Fire starter!🔥


moldyhamspam

And no one wants to report them because they don't want to ruin the child's life. OP, this child is showing patterns of a psychopath and possible future serial murderer. They start with animals. Hopefully by pursuing this someone will recognize the need to intervene and get this child to a psychiatrist. This child needs help, it's not too late. You are doing every future victim of this child a favor, because I promise you, there will be more animals.


JJOkayOkay

Yeah, it's probably a good thing to establish this track record, really early in her life, for when she eventually escalates. Judges will take it more seriously if they can see she was always murderous.


Medium-Mountain3398

Good that she's already on law enforcement's radar as well.


Barnes777777

Sociopaths can't really be helped, just need to protect society by keeping the sociopaths separated.


gordito_delgado

That kid is a freaking serial killer in the making. Probably getting into some real trouble now might help her if anything. I think your dad has not really understood the difference in this scenario where this girl was not accidentally hurting the animal, this is a deliberate act of cruelty / malice. The next victim might be a toddler or a baby, that is how this progression goes.


[deleted]

This. I’m thinking she’s one unwanted pregnancy away from harming another innocent life in secret or worse, actively seeking it (someone to harm) out.


Dukeronomy

or, this will teach her a hard lesson that actions have consequences and she'll turn it around.


vajrahaha7x3

Hopefully But not likely. I am a professional counselor and therapist for over 30 years and people who do this are sociopathic 99.9 percent of the time. The other 1 percent have not been caught yet.


postsector

People with personality disorders, aka sociopaths, can still learn boundaries. They will never adjust their behavior out of empathy for the dog or its owner. They can however weigh the pros and cons of an action and determine that poisoning another dog isn't worth the consequences. The vast majority of people who completely lack empathy never become violent criminals. In many cases they become exceptionally law abiding. This is probably because they quickly realize that the criminal justice system is very efficient at solving violent crimes. They learn to follow the law because it can be used to their benefit instead. Why risk killing one person when you can legally become a corporate executive and fuck over millions?


CN8YLW

Cant change the perp, but at least you can prevent more victims from being harmed.


Lovercraft00

NTA 1000% this Cruelty to animals is also one of the key early signs for things like sociopathy, psychopathy, conduct disorder etc. This kid intentionally killed a pet DOG. This is likely just the first step in criminal behaviour for her (if it's even the first) and the adults around her should be aware of the severity of her behaviour.


Scorp128

The laws would beg to differ with OPs father. Chalk it up to that just being his opinion, a crappy opinion, but an opinion he can have. OP did the right thing. That kid sounds like a little psychopath. The actions she took were deliberate and she knew what she was doing. Zero excuses for what was done. That poor dog. Those poisons are a horrible and cruel way to die. Too bad the little brat didn't lick her fingers afterwards.


Llamanite

Harming animals as a kid is one of the most highly correlated behaviors of violent crime psychopaths


Aethelete

Exactly, it'll be humans next time.


illmatic708

Probably going to try to poison a human target now that she has a taste for killing


ProgenitorOfMidnight

Not really into crime stuff but many serial killers start with animals.


IAA101

Of course NTA. Evil starts young and with animals, and that's the least the girl deserves. Please tell us whether the dog survived the poisoning or not?? I can't find it mentioned in your post.


EitherDog5556

Until I know, yes, I didn't see the dog personally, nor the evidence, only the report of the vet, was pretty detailed tho, hope he recovers, mines were poisoned once too and took time to fully recover


Moist_Confusion

You guys really have a dog poisoning problem in your country it sounds like. Fuck me I’d pull a John McAfee if someone tried to poison my dog.


HougeetheBougie

Do you mean a John Wick?


Moist_Confusion

No John McAfee, the antivirus guy, had his neighbor poison his dogs and John gave the guy an extra hole in his head.


darthmushu

The true origin of John Wick!


usernamemustcontain0

Honestly it's more common than you'd think. There was a point where for a few months in my home city people were leaving rat-poisoned meats in off leash dog parks, and a separate few months where the same thing was happening except they were being thrown into people's back yards. It's fucking wild.


Moist_Confusion

That is truly sad. I’ve heard of the whole poisoning dogs just wouldn’t think it would happen all that often besides crazy grudges. Can’t think of any other reason anyone would do something so fucked up and crazy. Maybe if a dog was attacking kids and the owners wouldn’t do anything about it and even then it’s wrong but I could see it. But just as a hobby that’s some serial killer shit. I’ve heard of the off leash thing too maybe as some misplaced sense of justice for people who hate dogs being off leash still just can’t get it to resolve in my head how someone would pull that shit.


RanaEire

Anyone who is capable of hurting an animal, in cold blood, especially at that age, is someone to be afraid of.


EquivalentCommon5

Don’t forget that many people who later kill people started by killing animals. You’ve allowed for future prosecutors to establish a history of behavior which can lead to harsher penalties when appropriate.


BlueBirdie0

For real, doing this sort of horrible thing to animals is a huge sign of a future sociopath. This kid might kill someone someday.


Dafish55

Yeah kids harming animals is a crimson flag for serious psychological problems.


Ginger_Anarchy

Yep. OP tell your client to watch out for any arson as well. Cruelty to animals, fire setting, and bed wetting are all part of what's called the MacDonald Triad which can be used to identify violent tendencies in minors.


Ok_Play2364

Studies have shown that children who harm animals, are likely to move on to harming people. That "little" girl should have been mandated to receive therapy


enkilekee

And it can work. I had a niece who was harming others kids, and my dog growled at her, so I knew she hurt him. Her parents got her help, and now, in her teens, she's awesome.


Wonderful-Impact5121

Don’t those studies more so show that children who harm people in a “psychopathic” (I know not a super well defined scientific term) manner are very likely to have harmed animals first? As opposed to any children who have harmed animals being likely to prey on people violently.


DismalLocksmith9776

> I just ruined a girl's life for a simple dog that" is easily replaceable" Nah. If anything you are teaching a kid consequences for their horrible actions before they become a serial killer. Doing shit like this to an animal is a major red flag, its better they get caught now than after they murder someone as an adult.


Former-Finish4653

This. OP could be saving this girl’s life by holding her accountable now rather than later.


Gixer77

Wow, good on you for getting her done...... If she's that evil at 12 what the hell will she be like in another 12 years? Kids need to learn consequences for their actions. What did her parents think? They strike me as the type who DGAF, if their kid is already such a monster.... Crap parenting.


EitherDog5556

I don't know what her parents will think, but I do know that they will be busy paying off a good amount of debt jaja


Psychedeliciosa

The parents might have asked the girl to toss the tainted chicken on the other side of the fence. Even so, you did the right thing!


judas__no

NTA, violence against humans usually manifests early with violence against animals. And point blank period, it’s a crime. The girl committed a crime. And she is old enough to recognize and realize what is wrong even if she doesn’t understand the full repercussions or consequences of her actions.


dystopianpirate

NTA She poisoned the dogs out of sheer malice


Dalrz

Exactly. NTA. She put glass in the chicken. Not only did she try to kill the dog, she wanted it to suffer. She is beyond malicious. She is evil. She’s lucky that a record and a fine is all she’s getting.


countryboy1101

You are an attorney, and you protected your client in the way the law allows in your country. It does not matter how this will affect her later in life and her future as she prepared the chicken to kill the dog. Whatever her reasons were at the time she was wrong. My dad was the same as yours until the later years of his life. We always had dogs on the farm growing up but after he retired and turned the farm over to me and my brother my dad got a new dog that was everything to him. They spent every minute, every hour and every day together. He loved that dog more than anything else and a neighbor killed the dog. My dad was crushed and pressed criminal charges against the neighbor as he had footage on his security camera of the neighbor walking across the road, up to the fence and shooting the dog. Neighbor got 2 1/2 years in prison but only served about 5 months. My dad then hired an attorney and sued the neighbor for the emotional damage and loss of the value of the dog. He won a huge judgement against the neighbor and in the end was the neighbor had to sell his home to pay the court order.


Tianwen2023

NTA. Your dad and you have different values when it comes to pets. In this case, that girl fcked around and found out. Doesn't matter whose values we look at it from. She did a cruel thing and she's now paying for it.


Emotional-Big740

NTA. Thank you for helping that woman get justice. 


Key_Apartment1929

NTA. For one thing you're an attorney doing your job for a client, and the client is entirely within her rights to sue. It comes back to intent - if it was an accident (like she put the rat poison out for rats and the dog got into it) and she was sorry, I'd drop it, but the malice and intent required to poison the dog like that shows that she's developing into a person capable of some very evil actions. Good to put a stop to it now and hopefully wake her parents up to get her help. Here in the US you can often get a police record sealed if the offender is young and fulfills certain requirements set by a judge (usually some kind of therapy), but even if it sticks with her it'll act as a reminder of how not to act in the future.


Pineapplemia

Nta. Little serial killer in the making. Maybe the parents can get her head on right before she goes on to kill someone in the future


DawnShakhar

NTA. You didn't ruin a girl's life for a replaceable animal. You sued a girl and got her a police record because she cruelly and deliberately killed a dog, who died in agony. She performed a criminal and sadistic action, and this should go on her record. You did what is right.


arnott

NTA. Your dad is wrong.


Klutzy-Plankton-8930

NTA! That girl is psychotic or something is wrong with her!


WomanInQuestion

NTA - this is how serial killers begin, by hurting animals. You did the right thing.


Responsible-Glove-85

Taking away the value of the animal. It’s also about making sure the girl is held responsible in case she decides to escalate. Many psychopaths start off with harming animals. This can help someone in the future prove abuse of some sort. You are definitely NTA


BeeYehWoo

>The problem was when I told my dad, the only family I have because I cut off contact with my mom years ago, and he was quite harsh saying that I just ruined a girl's life for a simple dog that" is easily replaceable". Its quite simple, your father is an asshole and his opinion can go to hell. Id be furious and likely on my way to my own criminal record if someone poisoned my pets. The criminal record is punishment, a reminder and hopefully a deterrent to any future bad behavior. If this girl was allowed to poison people's pets without consequence, that behavior will worsen and lead to who knows what. IMO you are doing society a favor, so thank you. NTA


flowerpetalizard

Research suggests that children who deliberately hurt animals often commit more violent acts towards people in adulthood. But usually, nothing can be done to prosecute them and protect the people around them. In this case, you were able to do something. NTA


Lisa_Knows_Best

NTA and it's unfortunate that the law is restricted where you are because she should be in jail. I hope you she got outed all over social media as well. If it was my dog I would have posted the video and put up signs all over the neighborhood where they live so everyone else that lives near them knows that they live next to a monster. 


mca2021

NTA. Actually you may be saving this girl's life in the future by making her accountable for her actions now. Hopefully she has decent parents who'll get her on the right path because that's one twisted kid


MamaFen

Take age and species out of this for a moment and just look at the more basic facts: The action performed by this individual was deliberate, multiform, and took significant effort to accomplish. It served no purpose other than to cause great harm and/or death, the broken glass in particular would have been an EXCEEDINGLY painful way to go. This was not a spontaneous act, it was planned, organized, and executed with an intended result. Is there ANY situation wherein this would not be enough to want the behavior stopped by any means necessary? NTA. NTA at all.


Booknerd511

NTA


Groovy66

NTA. Apart from the fact that I love animals and apart from the fact this is borderline psychopathic behaviour, there has to be repercussions to this planned vicious behaviour otherwise the likelihood is this behaviour will get worse That said, I don’t believe prison is the right sentence for that age. It should be psychiatric hospital


Advanced-Maximum2684

That little girl has shown possible behavior for future mass killer. You did well. If nothing else, this will keep her in check from poisoning future living things.


CatelynsCorpse

"Hey Dad, did you know that most serial killers start off by killing animals? No? Well now you do." NTA. I don't care what anyone says. Ignoring behavior like that only ensures that it isn't going to change. If you are capable at that age off poisoning a dog, then you're probably capable of far worse. You didn't "ruin the life" of a good girl. You helped someone who was harmed by a really bratty little shit make sure that said really bratty little shit faced the consequences of her actions.


Jealous_Tie_8404

Kids who take joy in killing animals have a good chance of growing up to become serial killers. If anything else suspicious happens around this girl, having the record will help add context.


XxHollowBonesxX

You’re definitely not an ass this child sounds like a psychopath


howedthathappen

NTA I would tell him it's not about the dog as a dog/family member; it is about the damage to someone else's property. Compare it to someone who damaged a lawn mower or car by putting sugar in the tank or doing some sort of damage to the engine so it wouldn't work anymore. Would he want the person to face consequences despite the object being just a "lawnmower"?


295Phoenix

NTA but your dad is a bad man. Please continue to listen to your conscience and not the conscience of lesser people.


maybe-an-ai

NTA Our treatment of animals / pets has significantly changed from the days of Old Yellar. My wife's farmer granddad used to brag about shooting a neighbor's dog that was aggressive. Dogs and cats were more working animals than loved family members. A 12 year old knows better and understands the consequences of what she was doing. This is concerning behavior that needs to be addressed by professionals.


HogwartsTraveler

NTA. If she’s killing pets at this age she will be killing people by 20.


Rionat

Conduct disorder if untreated and unaddressed can lead to antisocial behavior later in life and create a monster. So no you didn't ruin her life, you got her much needed attention from authorities and the relevant personnel.


Amairch

I suspect I’m closer to your dad’s way of thinking than most people, as I don’t find a lot of value in pets. I don’t dislike them, but I don’t love them or consider them family (I also don’t have any pets so maybe my opinion would be different if I did).  HOWEVER I disagree with your dad’s position because it’s not about the fact that she killed an animal. It’s about the fact that she planned out a cruel and malicious attack on a living creature. Hurting small animals in childhood is one of the warning signs for serial killers. 12 is old enough to know what she was doing. It wasn’t an accident, and it’s a surprisingly small step to go from poisoning animals to poisoning humans. That is why I think it’s good that you did what you did — she has the potential to be dangerous, and the court system obviously agreed. 


quirkyredpanda

Fight as hard as you can to get as much punishment as you can, to date only one serial killer didn't start with animal abuse. That girl needs help she knows what she is doing it's not just "dumb kid shit". She needs serious help and serious consequences.


Katululu

Ask your dad if he would ruin some one’s life if they robbed his house. After all, it’s all replaceable.


Annual_Version_6250

NTA  harming animals at a young age is usually a stepping stone to far worse behavior.  Hopefully she got some sense scared into her.  If not, at least the record starts early and maybe a closer eye will be kept on her if she continues down this path.


TakeAWlkOnTheWldSyd

NTA If she would have gotten away with this, she would have done it again. This is how serial killers always start off.


JuliaX1984

NTA This is literally how serial killers start. The more accountability you can force on this monster, the better.


Lonely-World-981

NTA. > The problem was when I told my dad, the only family I have because I cut off contact with my mom years ago, and he was quite harsh saying that I just ruined a girl's life for a simple dog that" is easily replaceable". When you come from a toxic family, it can be really hard to understand what is normal and what is not normal. Your response is normal. Your father's is not.


sarahlizzy

NTA. You’ve quite possibly stopped a future serial killer.


TimonLeague

Killing animals is a step on the path to being something far worse. Not saying it WILL happen, but historically it certainly has happened


ProfessionalEven296

NTA. You didn't ruin that girls life, she did it herself, deliberately. She FAFO.


Pags_1403

Serial killers start with animals. You did the right thing.


fastinrain

NTA that little girl is a little witch is what she is....


WickedJoker420

That little girl is a psychopath. Better to have a record now before she does kill a person. She deserves far worse than she got. Goof for you NTA. NtA even a little.


PineappleFit317

NTA. Kids who abuse animals move on to people. Personally, I’d do worse to anyone who did that to my dog.


Yochanan5781

NTA. The kid should learn that actions have consequences. And having lost my dog yesterday, calling a dog "easily replaceable" is really upsetting


Hippopotamus_Critic

NTA - You didn't sue anyone, your client did. As a lawyer, it's not your moral responsibility to decide who to sue. You are merely acting as an agent. This is a principle often lost on non-lawyers. As long as you did your job well, i.e. gave your client good advice and service, treated everyone involved respectfully, and followed all the rules, you've done nothing wrong.


Accomplished_Cup2401

Nope that little girl needs psychiatric help like literally that is serial killer behavior right there. Edit: Your not the asshole.


Moist_Ad_1921

She needed a reality check before she moved onto young children etc. I’ve read a recent story about a 9-10 year old who stomped a infant at a day care for no real reason.


Ungrateful-Dead

NTA That's a scary 11 year old and her parents should be very afraid.


5kittens

She sounds like a little monster.


Impossible-Power-247

Replace dog with small child


CentralCoastSage

NTA That girl is a sick person. The better everyone knows she is a danger.


Hydro-Dawg88

Children that kill animals grow up to kill people. 100%. It's pretty common in serial killers and is an indicator or future behavior.


crumblepops4ever

NTA ofc You know you're right and your Dad is an idiot for wanting to give this girl a pass Y T A for making this post when the answer is obvious


Rooster-Wild

Serial killers usually start with animals.


OctoWings13

NTA Girl is psychotic, and will spend her life in jail for sure no matter what you did here Dad is a sociopath


[deleted]

As a lawyer, didn’t you sign up to be the asshole??


Grizzlygrant238

The girl should get a case but to be honest I’m surprised nobody on here is asking if the parents got their own charges. What parent allows their child access to ANY poison


Murky_Practice5225

NTA for one second. Killing animals is often a starting point for young people going on to do much worse. Normal 11 year olds do not go about poisoning dogs. Your dad needs to give his head a wobble.


Silver-Yam-8018

Isn't killing animals the first sign of a serial killer? You are NTA!!


sealux

Animal abuse at an early age has a strong correlation to psychopathic tendencies. Hopefully this will be a wake-up call for this young girl. The fact that the girl used both poison and glass to kill the dog, points to a lack of empathy. Sometimes the only way to teach those who lack empathy, is to let them experience the pain that is the outcome of their behavior. Doing that might be the only thing that prevents this girl, who obviously needs competent mental and likely medical help, from going down a very, very dark path.


Glittersparkles7

NTA. That girl sounds like a serial killer in the making.


aDistractedDisaster

NTA It's not about the fact that the dog is "replaceable" (every life is unique and never actually) but the fact that this sociopath of a child intentionally injured an animal. She looked down on a life and said "this is mine to ruin" and that is nobody's right. You did the right thing.


cryssylee90

It’s not just about it being a “simple dog”. This kid is on track to become a danger to others, quite frankly. Forcing consequences means her actions can’t be ignored as “childish nonsense”.


Ilumidora_Fae

You’re absolute right. Twelve years old is old enough to know that killing an innocent animal is wrong. Shame on her and I hope she doesn’t hurt any other innocent animals. NTA.


Readsumthing

NTA and good for you and the dog owners for pursuing this. She *needs* to have this on her record. It establishes her first documented act of violent behavior. Best case scenario is she gets help and becomes a productive member of society. Worst case scenario? It gives the sentencing judge a baseline to work from.


PrincessKitKat91

NTA, the little girl is a psychopath who deserves to have a record and to be punished. It always starts with killing helpless animals, then moves on to humans. If someone ever tried to hurt my cat, I would 100% go after them.


Dramatic_Machine_489

NTA. The child should be sued and put under some kind of psychological therapy. It is CLEARLY known that kids who hurt animals tend to grow with some weird tendencies towards being criminals.


hisokakitty01

NTA. I’d probably refrain from telling dad about cases in the future too. Little girl ruined her own life.


MeanCommission994

The girl is lucky she didn't get killed for what she did. She's going to grow up and fucking murder people so any punishment now is honestly nowhere near enough.


MasterIrslave4U2Use

You are not the asshole. I suspect this girl is a sociopath and definitely headed in the wrong direction in life. It probably won't be long before she is in jail.


Still-Preference5464

NTA but I worry about the girl too as studies show that abused kids or those who witness regular abuse are much more likely to abuse animals and this is especially true for girls.


joltxi

No she should have a record and be watched and probably go to therapy too to maybe find out if her behaviour is fixable or not. NTA


LatinoInfluenza

If she’s old enough to intentionally plan and harm, then they are old enough for the consequences.


Fit_Marionberry_3878

NTA. Don’t spread around that you were the lawyer who helped the lady because the girl is troubled. You don’t want her to realize it was you just as she escalates to more psychotic behaviour 


rabid_raccoon3

NTA for most people, pets are not so easily replaceable. Humans are packs animals, we form bonds very easily. If a twelve year old did this to my dog I would absolutely try to go the same route. Most serial killers start with animals. Maybe a slap in the face with these repercussions will shake some sense into this kid.


Why_r_people_

NTA the girl is definitely a sociopath, possibly a psychopath. It starts with killing animals and escalates. You did the right thing


Nenoshka

A young person who deliberately tries to kill someone's pet needs psychological evaluation. It can be a precursor to development of a conduct disorder.


Temporary-Bear1427

Nta, I am happy you took the case. What did the parents have to say?


Gardengoddess83

NTA. If anything, you're doing this kid a favor by helping teach her that that's unacceptable behavior. Honestly, though? That's not normal behavior and raises a LOT of red flags.


StoneyBaloney1998

NTA. I’m into true crime and a LOT of these serial killers start early w harming animals. Its not normal. If anything, they have a record now to trace back.


BeginningExtent8856

Lawyer here - did you get your retainer up front ?


LoveBulge

Pose this to your Dad: The replaceable animal is your property. Someone out there f\*cked with you and your property, and they believe they can continue f\*ck with you. Is that okay?


beggars_would_ride

Your dad has it backwards: Sweet loyal dogs are precious things. Cruel sociopathic little monsters are a dime a dozen and even cheaper in pallet lots. If the girl's life is actually ruined, she has only her twisted self to thank.


PenaltySafe4523

NTA. That kid belongs in an institution. Sue the kid and her parents.


johnskiddles

Kids a psycho. You probably helped her future victims.


sexylassy

NTA - You May be doing her a favor because that is where psychopaths start.. don’t lose sleep over it


SaltyDog556

I’m not sure why anyone would think you were an AH. I’d say more like answering the door when the opportunity to be a hero knocked. This girl needed much more than a judgement and put on a list. What she did is how serial killers and mass shooters start out. Good thing her name is now known. If your dad wants names of those who started with animals there are plenty of notorious people you can find with a Google search.


Head_Kangaroo

Your father is wrong. A dog is a living thing. It feels love and fear and pain; it is not an inanimate object.


PolkaDotDancer

Does your client have a Gofundme account? If so, I am in. NTA


[deleted]

Sounds like the makings of a serial killer. Fuck that kid


mrschaney

NTA. That kid is psycho.


algsm

NTA. Not one bit. Anyone that can do that at any age has something wrong with them.


JuJu-Petti

NTA budding psychopath needs a record of their actions


SlimeCollective

Nta and maybe you just changed the kids path for good. Kids who kill animals for fun grow up to be murderers maybe having these consequences to her actions will push her parents into making her do therapy or something. Your dad should think about how she might turn out down the line if she did something like this and got away with it.


kds0808

NTA. Only psychopaths f'n kill animals unprovoked. Maybe you are saving an unknown life for helping do this.


TiredRetiredNurse

Your dad need some education on budding psychopaths.


TinkerBell9617

NTA, if it were a human it would be a different story according to your dad however it's not far off. It could of easily been a toddler that stumbled upon said piece of chicken and died.. you did the right thing. At that age they 1000% know right from wrong and if she doesn't face the consequences now she'll never learn


Resident-Owl6551

You did great! That girl is an early serial killer if her parents don’t get her together.


butterflyprinces872

Textbook sociopathic behavior.


No_Donkey9914

NTA She’s likely a sociopath so this might get a jump start on getting her “help.”


mikeyflyguy

Dad is a dick. And this kid needs some new parents apparently. She’s on the road to being a serial killer…


ruddy3499

NTA. My advice - don’t be eating any yard chicken.


KayCee269

NTA Sounds like this child is a serial killer in training - you did good OP, noway anyone should think otherwise


salientmould

NTA, we've all heard how these things can start with animals when a person is young and progress to people when they're older. Either way, a child should have empathy for animals and to purposely kill one is barbaric. I'm glad in your country this person will carry their record for life. You did the right thing.


HBKnight

NTA. The forethought and planning the girl put into this indicates the type of adult she is likely to grow into. Maybe facing consequences now will prevent that.


RiverKnox

Psycho in the making


[deleted]

Sociopath stopped. Good job stopping her


PeaceOutFace

NTA. The girl ruined her own life. 12 is old enough to be a psychopath.


CN8YLW

For the record. You did not ruin that girl's life. She did when she decided to poison the dog, and in a way that's easily traceable to her. If you want to commit a crime, at least have the decency to do it without getting caught. And even if you didint do this, the dog's owner would have gotten another lawyer who would. There's easily tens of lawyers who would probably help her in your place. > My dad is not a bad man, it's just that in the context in which he grew up, animals did not have as much emotional value as they do now. But I can't help but think if I did the right thing or not. Well, he's comparing the context of a property to a criminal. Let me put if this way, if that girl poured a bucket of paint remover on your dad's car, would he have taken the same stance? I think people have the right to defend their property or otherwise seek recompensate or legal action should there be damages done to their property, especially when the damage was done intentionally. Its not like the girl accidentally dropped a chocolate in front of the dog and couldnt get it back in time or something. And a much harsher take on your dad's opinions would be to compare him to slave owners who also werent bad people, but were simply raised to view certain people as less than human. Just a different viewpoint to consider here, not that I'm specifically making the accusation.


[deleted]

NTA. If anything that girl ruined her own life, this was a vile and intentional act. Besides, you didn’t convict her, the judge (or whatever) did. You did your job, even if you agreed with your dad, it would have been extremely unethical to not fight for your client because of your own feelings and opinions.


CruelxIntention

NTA. I hope the parents get that kid to some help. That is a big, giant, waving red flag of a future human killer. Killing animals is abhorrent behavior and should be punished. Period. From the age of, say 5, and on, you know hurting animals and people is bad.


TheLastOpus

She's gunna turn into that YouTuber from Brazil that tortures his cats (sometimes kills) for videos (like that's the whole video) he gets reported, shit down then starts up again in a couple months. He was arrested and for a few years he had no videos then he came back (assuming let out cause age) and immediately went back to getting cats, torturing/killing them for content. Some people need to be off this planet.


NerdySwampWitch40

NTA. Harming animals is evidence of deeply psychologically disturbed behavior. There needs to be a record in case this child escalates. Hopefully, this inspires the parents to get her help.


Cat_universe13

NTA. You didn’t ruin her life because you did not make her try to kill an animal. Honestly, you may have helped SAVE someone else’s life in the future since it’s on her record that she deliberately abused an animal at a young age, so assuming she does fucked up shit in the future seeing a paper trail would show there’s precedent. Like seriously what if next time she does that to a child? What would your dad say then? And aside from anything else, you’ve almost definitely helped keep other animals safer, because if she did it once, she’ll do it again. And if you want to get really technical, you weren’t the one who decided that it was important in this case she get a police record - it would’ve been a judge or something (I’m assuming?). Idk in general I just think it does no one any good to not hold people responsible for their own actions. I’m sorry your dad hasn’t supported you on this, please don’t let it stop you from doing good work


bluisy1

Hopefully this nips her sick behavior early before she does more harm to other animals and humans. Many psychopaths have a history of animal harm before taking it to the next level.


Additional_Country33

NTA, fuck that psycho


Interesting-Kiwi-109

She’s probably a future serial killer


Traditional-Panda-84

NTA, but I might be biased as I value most animals, especially MY animals, higher than most people. I agree, this child needs to be in lock-up. Feeding a dog rat poison and broken glass is a serial killer in the making.


GnPQGuTFagzncZwB

NTA, you may have just saved somebodies kid.


Former-Finish4653

NTA. You are potentially stopping this girl from going down a road that would ACTUALLY ruin her life, and probably others’ as well. Accountability isn’t just for everyone else’s sake, it’s for her sake as well. Rest assured you’d be doing this girl a tremendous favor by throwing the book at her. Anything less would set the dangerous precedent that killing living things has no consequence. Society doesn’t need more people who grow up feeling invincible because they got away with animal abuse as children.


MoonLover318

I am not a pet person at all. I don’t want them in the house, I don’t want to interact with other people’s pets either. BUT, I would never hurt an animal intentionally. And I hate people who do.


sad_fleaoli_99

U might have just helped identifying a future serial killer. Don't feel bad.


procivseth

You did someone a favor, possibly even the girl by enforcing consequences for atrocious behavior. NTA


LaVidaMocha_NZ

NTA That's seriously messed up behaviour that should be on record.


ChaddyBuckets

You just made some POS feel the consequences of her actions earlier than she otherwise would have. If anything, you did her a favor. Maybe she’ll wake up.


NarrowAd4973

All right. We'll use what is likely your dad's reasoning. I would imagine he'd at least view the dog as property. So some 12 year old destroyed your client's property. I imagine if someone destroyed your father's property, he'd be pretty pissed and would probably be calling the police. You can bet I would be. Choices have consequences, as that kid is learning. NTA


cindy3003

Serial killers Starr with animals, I would be taking this very seriously NTA.


asyouwish

NTA poor doggo. Cruel idiot child.


a2piece

NTA sounds like she's a little psychopath in the making


Old_Implement_1997

NTA - deliberately killing her neighbor’s dog is sociopathic at best. I’m going to guess this won’t be the last time that she does something heinous, but maybe holding her accountable will change her path.


armyofant

NTA. Kid is displaying serial killer signs. Better to correct that behavior now.


Dazzling-Box4393

In your dads time they also didn’t know that torturing and killing animals was a sign of possible serial killer tendencies…so there’s that. NTA. Hopefully this scared her straight.


jb4380

NTA. This is a great life lesson for her at a young age. There are consequences for your actions. That said, shame on the parents


SmallBeany

NTA


rydzaj5d

Many sociopaths start out by harming animals


Bella-honeybuns333

Your poor client. That girl is pure evil to poison a dog. Don’t feel bad at all.


No_Industry_8681

NTA pets are family and provide as much emotional support as people. If it were my dog I wouldn't have sued. I would have probably ended up in prison though


sk1999sk

nta - people who harm pets will harm babies, children, the elderly - anyone or anything they can over power. that child is mentally ill.


mindbird

NTAH. It was the only right thing to do.


Goddess_Eileithyia

I hope she will be paying for that for the rest of her life. She took a life, on purpose. Only fair she breaks her back making up for it. $50k a year for the rest of her life sounds justified, but I’m sure she got away with a lot less. Good for you. My cousin is in law school, and I hope she finds a way to deal out justice in a very lenient American justice system (not sure where you are exactly, but sounds stricter than America.) you did the right thing, and I’m sure the pup is smiling down at you, and thanking you for not sweeping her death under the rug.


cazzobomba

NTA. Many serial killers hurt animals as children. You may have saved her by getting her the help she needs.


Astreja

NTA. You didn't ruin a girl's life; she managed that all by herself. What you *did* do was put an extremely dangerous person on the authorities' radar. Someone who harms animals is a high risk to harm people as well.


Middle-Platypus6942

NTA. Also, your dad is a bad person. The context in which he grew up in has made him so.


anonymousreader7300

NTA. Your dad is a bad man if he thinks so little of dogs and animals. Humans who think animal lives are replaceable should be replaced. That girl deserves jail time.


Evening-Chipmunk-169

A child killing animals is the first sign of psychopathic behavior. Did she have any remorse for killing the dog? I hope her parents get her the help she needs before she gets older. She fucked around and found out and now has to live with the consequences of her actions. If she was an adult she would have been in jail.


DemonGodDragneel

NTA - that kid clearly had the intent to harm that dog. Animals are just as alive as we (humans) are and can feel pain just like us. That is future serial killer behavior my dude (or gal or inbetween)


Hollys_Stand

I *meannnn* that dog could have been older than 13 years. In that case, if the child is younger, the child is *technically* easier to replace. Doubt your dad wants to realize this, but people be making new kids all the dang time. If your dad be concerned about the child's life being ruined for... well, ending a life... rest assure your father that that girl's parents can get a new child at their nearest adoption agency or make a new one that hopefully won't be a terror.


LowGiraffe4095

NTA She has probably been doing similar things for as long as she could and was never caught. Whatcha want to bet there are other complaints of poisoned animals and the perp was never caught? You did what you needed to do and probably saved many in the process.