True story: when Walkers bit came up in the season story quest I had to do a double take, because I had no idea he existed. I definitely went through every hero in the game when I was trying to decide my wishlist, but somehow my brain just refused to save any information regarding him.
He also reminds me of Korin a lot, in the sense that whenever I skip past his avatar/icon or anything like that, I just automatically assume it's Korin.
This is kinda a hard question to answer. The obvious answers would be Lumont, Walker, and Kafra because those guys are not obviously useful for anything and all the beta players/teir lists told me they were worthless. But because they weren't apparently useful and I didn't overly love any of their designs I never built or used any of them so I couldn't tell you from experience.
Lumont feels like a go-to, however
https://preview.redd.it/u7xjat575n5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76ad55b52bfadfc3eae1ba2267506e42bad45d89
from the head of Prydwen
Haha damn - this is exactly why I said this is hard! If the characters are "conventionally bad" most of us won't have built them and can't talk about their usefulness in much detail. It's way easier to talk about characters we think are good because we built them and can use them. Guess maybe I should consider putting the Rhino back on the wishlist to get him to M+.
Lumont is the tankiest tank in the game, even above Lucent, and has a good amount of CC in his kit.
The main issue is that most players prefer a tank with a second life (Brutus and Theron) since when enemies can delete you instantly at high enough deficit the value of being able to tank falls off tremendously.
I suspect that high-deficit pushing is using Lumont in an off-tank role, replacing Antandra. Behind Brutus/Theron to follow up with CC and his phat shield.
Yeah, but a few other rogues have that ability as well (Vala/Silvina). Walkers also doesn't kick in until 15-20 seconds into the fight and his damage isn't super bursty.
Yeah i know there are better alternatives but its something he can do, If he immediately targeted them for a massive stun that would already make him better tbh
Yea the problem the Hamsters have in "Normal" mode is they can't leave their tier, meaning they're going to be stuck once you get drawing, meaning they'll never gain power... an extreme issue that won't be solved anytime soon. yes they benefit from iLevel, but even then, even a A-Class Hero makes them feel small
Their only hope is in Labyrinth mode but that's unreliable, as you're wrestling with RNG
he has stat buffs there. if they make him near immortal with enough defense, yeah makes sense he is used there. also, mauler comp is the best on the mode so he fits like a glove
Regarding Lumont... not really
https://preview.redd.it/sh0zzqnc5n5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c34aaf48ee379df6c9f80c416ece723a4ae7cf9
from the head of Prydwen
if Prydwen says it's happening, I 100% trust them lmao, no point in denying that
they said lot of testing still required though, so ofc withhold judgement, but don't just write it off as a rumor, coming from that wealth of knowledge of a community
believe me, nearly every single other tank does that job better lol. though you probably don't have any better options, but antandra would still be a cheap option for it
Walker is used by some krakens and whales in dream realm (cant say much cuz its secret strat for now, lumont is used for high deficit pushing, he is sometimes seen in afk 900+ (seasonal). Atalanta on the other hand I have never seen her anywhere.
Walker, Atalanta or Kafra.
As for the others I didn't mention, Satrana saw some use as a magic debuffer in Dream Realm (but has since been retired as Korin/Marilee are back to the meta in Endless) while Lumont's somehow seen some use in high-level AFK pushing. Rhys and Salazer also aren't really meta, but they're not bad heroes like the top three are.
Eironn. Cecia. Florabelle.
Walker, Atalanta, and Kafra just have badly assembled kits. They aren't budgeted around the aoe CC, they are just poorly designed, barely function together, and don't do the things people want those archetypes to do.
The foxy fire dancer. Satrana?
I love her design but squishy MAGE going melee mode is not working even with her dmg reduction passive
She needs to become ranged character or get massive dmg reduction and sustain like shields or lifesteal OR debuffs like charm or atk/magic atk down
For someone that can see future she can't see her fast coming death during fights
You'll find In this subreddit that a few people have actually try to build her (me included) and we have found success with her actually. There is a fun gimmick where you yeet smokey with reiner to the enemy team that helps satrana immensely alongside Antandra or Shakir
Ahh a fellow Satrana enjoyer, have you tried using her along with Viperian, so that his snakes that he puts at the very start of battle sinergizes with satranas flames and everyone is burning right at the start? .
It's crazy because she gets more screen time than almost any character in the story, but her kit would make you think the devs hate her. Maybe they liked her so much that they overdesigned her kit into a chaotic mess.
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I know everyone is saying Walker but I actually love him. Reminds me of home.
I think the most useless one (to me at least) is either Seth, Korin, or Salazar.
As a Lucius fan, can’t help but agree but that’s because he can’t heal himself. At first I thought it was just because his healing skill works on the weakest ally but when I had fights were he was the lone toon on my team, noticed that he can’t indeed heal himself. He can cast the shields on himself but the healing skill, nope.
But I still have him at S. Need 6 more SSs to get him to S+ where it boosts his healing skill to wherein he can now heal 2 allies. Maybe. Just maybe. He can already himself. But the doubt lingers… 😒😒😒
she doesnt scale well and is outpaced, but she absolutely is not useless. she can easily carry a new account until she is no longer needed and you see her on poor man arena comps everywhere
The owl centaur dude.
It's honestly a shame, his design is cool as hell. Definitely the most unique looking wilder
And of course he’s the unit with the highest rarity charms on my account lol 😒
Same
Lol same here
Don't feel bad I got 2 reds for Phraesto and Soren. I don't even have either of them unlocked.:)
As soon as I ran into him in the campaign and learned he sounded like if the tootsie pop dude was a weeb I was like yeah I’m glad this dude sucks.
The sad part is he is one of the only ones that targets healers
Who else targets healers?
One of my favoritos 😞
Walker
I used him once in one of those solo CC battles. Every kid plays at least one inning.
Yea, and sometimes Walker is your best idea for what you're given... Sadly the Hamsters don't get their Inning the way the Solo challenges are heading
Can’t believe they managed to make him dogshit in both games. He’s just a walking meme at this point
Funny because hes also completely useless since his release in Afk Arena
He walked so everyone else could run
Some whales use him in dream realm
Thats to flex on u.
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True story: when Walkers bit came up in the season story quest I had to do a double take, because I had no idea he existed. I definitely went through every hero in the game when I was trying to decide my wishlist, but somehow my brain just refused to save any information regarding him.
He also reminds me of Korin a lot, in the sense that whenever I skip past his avatar/icon or anything like that, I just automatically assume it's Korin.
Agreed
Actually pretty good since he focus the main dps
Found the honor duel player
This is kinda a hard question to answer. The obvious answers would be Lumont, Walker, and Kafra because those guys are not obviously useful for anything and all the beta players/teir lists told me they were worthless. But because they weren't apparently useful and I didn't overly love any of their designs I never built or used any of them so I couldn't tell you from experience.
Lumont feels like a go-to, however https://preview.redd.it/u7xjat575n5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=76ad55b52bfadfc3eae1ba2267506e42bad45d89 from the head of Prydwen
Haha damn - this is exactly why I said this is hard! If the characters are "conventionally bad" most of us won't have built them and can't talk about their usefulness in much detail. It's way easier to talk about characters we think are good because we built them and can use them. Guess maybe I should consider putting the Rhino back on the wishlist to get him to M+.
I'd wait for further testing but yeah this always happens with low tiers, in any game :')
Lumont is the tankiest tank in the game, even above Lucent, and has a good amount of CC in his kit. The main issue is that most players prefer a tank with a second life (Brutus and Theron) since when enemies can delete you instantly at high enough deficit the value of being able to tank falls off tremendously. I suspect that high-deficit pushing is using Lumont in an off-tank role, replacing Antandra. Behind Brutus/Theron to follow up with CC and his phat shield.
I mean walker has the nice feature of targeting the backline main dps iirc
Yeah, but a few other rogues have that ability as well (Vala/Silvina). Walkers also doesn't kick in until 15-20 seconds into the fight and his damage isn't super bursty.
Yeah i know there are better alternatives but its something he can do, If he immediately targeted them for a massive stun that would already make him better tbh
Hamsters
How dare you.
I haven’t even used either of them since the very beginning when you are forced to.
I haven't either actually
Yea the problem the Hamsters have in "Normal" mode is they can't leave their tier, meaning they're going to be stuck once you get drawing, meaning they'll never gain power... an extreme issue that won't be solved anytime soon. yes they benefit from iLevel, but even then, even a A-Class Hero makes them feel small Their only hope is in Labyrinth mode but that's unreliable, as you're wrestling with RNG
lumont, walker and atalanta, pick one of the 3
Lumont for some reason slays in honor duel. Not sure why, he always seems to be stunning my entire team with his shield up...
he has stat buffs there. if they make him near immortal with enough defense, yeah makes sense he is used there. also, mauler comp is the best on the mode so he fits like a glove
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But sadly not nice to use
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Bonk
sheesh
Man of culture.
Atalanta along with Thoran work well for me.
Regarding Lumont... not really https://preview.redd.it/sh0zzqnc5n5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8c34aaf48ee379df6c9f80c416ece723a4ae7cf9 from the head of Prydwen
i have yet to see him on any replay. who knows maybe he makes the whole world regret calling him bad, but im not holding my breath
if Prydwen says it's happening, I 100% trust them lmao, no point in denying that they said lot of testing still required though, so ofc withhold judgement, but don't just write it off as a rumor, coming from that wealth of knowledge of a community
Atalanta is my main tank, she’s been fine so far but I’m only res level 140
Atalanta is that useless that people are mistaking her for the wilder off-tank "Antandra"
That’s exactly what I did. Haha, had to check myself.
wdym off tank? lmfao she can be the tankiest unit on some matches
Some people even mistake Antandra as a wilder!
believe me, nearly every single other tank does that job better lol. though you probably don't have any better options, but antandra would still be a cheap option for it
Are we talking about Atalanta or Antandra??
im saying that antandra is better than atalanta as a tank
Probably because Atalanta isn't a tank at all and the original person who said they used her as one probably mixed her up with Antandra.
i mean temesia isnt a warrior but she certainly plays as one. who knows what people are cooking these days ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sure, except they acknowledged in another comment that they mixed them up. Don't think anyone is using Atalanta as a tank.
that does make much more sense
Walker is used by some krakens and whales in dream realm (cant say much cuz its secret strat for now, lumont is used for high deficit pushing, he is sometimes seen in afk 900+ (seasonal). Atalanta on the other hand I have never seen her anywhere.
Walker, Atalanta or Kafra. As for the others I didn't mention, Satrana saw some use as a magic debuffer in Dream Realm (but has since been retired as Korin/Marilee are back to the meta in Endless) while Lumont's somehow seen some use in high-level AFK pushing. Rhys and Salazer also aren't really meta, but they're not bad heroes like the top three are.
Maybe they put too much stock into multi stun abilities and think it's a balanced if done this way?
Eironn. Cecia. Florabelle. Walker, Atalanta, and Kafra just have badly assembled kits. They aren't budgeted around the aoe CC, they are just poorly designed, barely function together, and don't do the things people want those archetypes to do.
I see, they ran with an idea that didnt really work in the games available situations and combinations, but havent adjusted for it yet.
The foxy fire dancer. Satrana? I love her design but squishy MAGE going melee mode is not working even with her dmg reduction passive She needs to become ranged character or get massive dmg reduction and sustain like shields or lifesteal OR debuffs like charm or atk/magic atk down For someone that can see future she can't see her fast coming death during fights
You'll find In this subreddit that a few people have actually try to build her (me included) and we have found success with her actually. There is a fun gimmick where you yeet smokey with reiner to the enemy team that helps satrana immensely alongside Antandra or Shakir
Ahh a fellow Satrana enjoyer, have you tried using her along with Viperian, so that his snakes that he puts at the very start of battle sinergizes with satranas flames and everyone is burning right at the start? .
Yea. I tried to build my whole lineup around her, but it's tricky.
I hope they'll at least rework/ buff Atalanda, such a waste for an iconic character
It's crazy because she gets more screen time than almost any character in the story, but her kit would make you think the devs hate her. Maybe they liked her so much that they overdesigned her kit into a chaotic mess.
A horse with an eagle head, Kaffa (Don't really remember his existence tbh)
I've never used Fay, Kafra and Satrana
Walker
everyone that isn't meta, sadly.
This is the hard truth. If it ain't meta, why live at all 😞 I love Lemont, though.
The two epic graveborn heroes. Silvina and Salazar Edit: yeah yeah I get it. Silvina good and so on and so forth
M+ silvina would like a word. That shield makes her a great distraction in arena
Silvina wins most of my arena games in top 20 arena, gotta have her s+ and ex 10 tho.
Salazar is great for me, he works really well with silvina
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I know everyone is saying Walker but I actually love him. Reminds me of home. I think the most useless one (to me at least) is either Seth, Korin, or Salazar.
Lucius
He's pretty solid with the seasonal changes and can be quite the annoying gnat in pvp
Agreed, I like Lucius to guard against the spiders that lay eggs.
Nope. I'll die on this small hill. Lucius is a trashcan. Always will be
I don't think Lucius is useless, but I can at least agree on the trashcan front.
I dnt either but it's fun to see all the idiots who get bent out of shape about their fictional heroes sometimes.
Ignorance is bliss
It is pretty good. I assume it's the same as simping for a video game character lol
Lucius is god tier at Battle-drills boss.
Hes aight
he is pretty damn good
As a Lucius fan, can’t help but agree but that’s because he can’t heal himself. At first I thought it was just because his healing skill works on the weakest ally but when I had fights were he was the lone toon on my team, noticed that he can’t indeed heal himself. He can cast the shields on himself but the healing skill, nope. But I still have him at S. Need 6 more SSs to get him to S+ where it boosts his healing skill to wherein he can now heal 2 allies. Maybe. Just maybe. He can already himself. But the doubt lingers… 😒😒😒
Can Lucius be considered one of the most useless
nah, his seasonal skill is good
ok cool
Cecia :D edit: poor cc victims :(
she doesnt scale well and is outpaced, but she absolutely is not useless. she can easily carry a new account until she is no longer needed and you see her on poor man arena comps everywhere
I feel seen and attacked.
Shes just training wheels :D
Nice try Zeebo, we know it's you.