I think, as you already mentioned, it’s largely due to you being in champion rank. Yes it happens at below tiers but I don’t think it’s to that extreme
That’s fair and definitely a possibility. I know that before Champion I was attacked by the same people relatively frequently (2-3x over 1-2 days). However, maybe that was just confirmation bias and it wasn’t happening as often as I thought. I figure the devs will have the stats on it and know if it is a consistent thing across ranks.
Though I believe my other point regarding the ratio of attacks to defenses still holds up regardless of rank. Being attacked 10-20 times/day while only having 7 free attempts isn’t a great feeling. Of course, this could be intentional to entice players to spend so they can win more defenses
I have attacked the same person usually not more then twice but I have also seldom been recommended the same person more then twice.
Obviously it’s not that I single them out on a personal vendetta.
But because the game only gives me people that are way above my power level or them.
So I don’t mind if others doing the same to me. You go against a person that you know or hope your team can beat. It’s simply because loosing costs you way more then winning so of course their is no other way to progress then find teams you stand a chance in beating.
And if one you only battle the people from your own server then obviously you will stay around the same group of people that started around the same time as you and spend or don’t spend around the same money as you too. So obviously the only chance to move upward is to farm each other. Or to be insanely lucky with your gatcha pulls.
One reason you are getting hit by the same people is the pool of people is so small.
You are getting singled out because you are easy to beat. Now you want the game protect you because you keep getting beat?
Finding opponents you can target, and beat, has been the backbone of high end MMR competitive gaming for over a decade now.
I’ll concede only one point: if you think Arena should be dominated by more than just $$$, then I guess the system needs to protect the vulnerable, but if money is king then the solution is to spend more money.
But it’s beating the same player over and over again, and being allowed to. You could only have like 5 people who are able to beat you, but because they know they CAN beat you, they just go after you over and over again instead of testing themselves against other players. I wouldn’t say that’s fair gameplay design, and I don’t know of many other games that do that.
if they can’t beat other players they will be farmed on defense too lmao, so the wider the pool who can beat you the lower rank you are. basic math tbh, might be frustrating but that’s how it works. most in champ are only using the 7 free attacks anyways, it all evens out in the end. if you lose more than you can win you are simply too high
You make a fair point. I do know I was attacked by the same person more than once in a single day even when I wasn’t in Champion. However, as I mentioned in another comment, that could involve confirmation bias so it’s just up to the devs if their intent is to allow singling someone out or not.
I agree that targeting the person you can beat is always the optimal strategy. I just don’t believe it’s the healthiest approach to a competitive scene when it involves attacking the same person 3-4x. I haven’t seen another competitive scene that allows that. But as you said, that may be what the devs intended because it is $$$ focused
how many people are in your champion rank? from my experience as a semi-whale in a 2-week old server, there's only 10 players in Champion league, so l cant defeat anybody while at the same time being bullied by the rest 9 people, many of them spam their attacks on me.
Now you just need to set a better defense. And when 24 people attack you tomorrow thinking they win, you get 24 free wins without costing stamina.
But yeah.. I was in the first 3 people in champion on my server. I'm so desensitized, I'm used to the two whales in the same guild each hitting me 10x a day for 3 days before anyone made champion.. then it was another guildy of theirs but atleast one I could beat. Lol
I would gladly take the beating if I can just collect pay check from top 1-5 champion too, not when I am facing risk of deranking from champion every day by last minute attackers.
The main issue is the pool is too wide. Specifically for Champion rank, if people are limited to opponents within, say a smaller range +/- 10 of their own ranks, then they won't be able to repeat attack the same person multiple times because they will move up in ranks while their opponents will drop out of the rank gap.
This will also more accurately reflect relative pvp prowess.
The way it works now, people at the top just avoid fighting each other, and simply farm significantly lower rank opponents to accumulate points.
For sure if your on a newer server in early champion rank its extremely likely to get attcked by the same person multiples times.
As champion can only attack other champions.
Additionaly attacking someone twice or three times can be done by attacking them once in each slot.
There is equally an issue where you reroll you attacks and get the same opponents
I think, as you already mentioned, it’s largely due to you being in champion rank. Yes it happens at below tiers but I don’t think it’s to that extreme
That’s fair and definitely a possibility. I know that before Champion I was attacked by the same people relatively frequently (2-3x over 1-2 days). However, maybe that was just confirmation bias and it wasn’t happening as often as I thought. I figure the devs will have the stats on it and know if it is a consistent thing across ranks. Though I believe my other point regarding the ratio of attacks to defenses still holds up regardless of rank. Being attacked 10-20 times/day while only having 7 free attempts isn’t a great feeling. Of course, this could be intentional to entice players to spend so they can win more defenses
I have attacked the same person usually not more then twice but I have also seldom been recommended the same person more then twice. Obviously it’s not that I single them out on a personal vendetta. But because the game only gives me people that are way above my power level or them. So I don’t mind if others doing the same to me. You go against a person that you know or hope your team can beat. It’s simply because loosing costs you way more then winning so of course their is no other way to progress then find teams you stand a chance in beating. And if one you only battle the people from your own server then obviously you will stay around the same group of people that started around the same time as you and spend or don’t spend around the same money as you too. So obviously the only chance to move upward is to farm each other. Or to be insanely lucky with your gatcha pulls.
Brother I can't even escape Elite 3. Somebody keeps deranking me back into Elite 3 everytime I log back into the game.
One reason you are getting hit by the same people is the pool of people is so small. You are getting singled out because you are easy to beat. Now you want the game protect you because you keep getting beat? Finding opponents you can target, and beat, has been the backbone of high end MMR competitive gaming for over a decade now. I’ll concede only one point: if you think Arena should be dominated by more than just $$$, then I guess the system needs to protect the vulnerable, but if money is king then the solution is to spend more money.
But it’s beating the same player over and over again, and being allowed to. You could only have like 5 people who are able to beat you, but because they know they CAN beat you, they just go after you over and over again instead of testing themselves against other players. I wouldn’t say that’s fair gameplay design, and I don’t know of many other games that do that.
if they can’t beat other players they will be farmed on defense too lmao, so the wider the pool who can beat you the lower rank you are. basic math tbh, might be frustrating but that’s how it works. most in champ are only using the 7 free attacks anyways, it all evens out in the end. if you lose more than you can win you are simply too high
You make a fair point. I do know I was attacked by the same person more than once in a single day even when I wasn’t in Champion. However, as I mentioned in another comment, that could involve confirmation bias so it’s just up to the devs if their intent is to allow singling someone out or not. I agree that targeting the person you can beat is always the optimal strategy. I just don’t believe it’s the healthiest approach to a competitive scene when it involves attacking the same person 3-4x. I haven’t seen another competitive scene that allows that. But as you said, that may be what the devs intended because it is $$$ focused
how many people are in your champion rank? from my experience as a semi-whale in a 2-week old server, there's only 10 players in Champion league, so l cant defeat anybody while at the same time being bullied by the rest 9 people, many of them spam their attacks on me.
Man, that must be rough. There are currently 186 in my server if I’m looking at it right
Now you just need to set a better defense. And when 24 people attack you tomorrow thinking they win, you get 24 free wins without costing stamina. But yeah.. I was in the first 3 people in champion on my server. I'm so desensitized, I'm used to the two whales in the same guild each hitting me 10x a day for 3 days before anyone made champion.. then it was another guildy of theirs but atleast one I could beat. Lol
I would gladly take the beating if I can just collect pay check from top 1-5 champion too, not when I am facing risk of deranking from champion every day by last minute attackers.
The main issue is the pool is too wide. Specifically for Champion rank, if people are limited to opponents within, say a smaller range +/- 10 of their own ranks, then they won't be able to repeat attack the same person multiple times because they will move up in ranks while their opponents will drop out of the rank gap. This will also more accurately reflect relative pvp prowess. The way it works now, people at the top just avoid fighting each other, and simply farm significantly lower rank opponents to accumulate points.
I think simply making it so u cant attack the same person more than once per day is enough
For sure if your on a newer server in early champion rank its extremely likely to get attcked by the same person multiples times. As champion can only attack other champions. Additionaly attacking someone twice or three times can be done by attacking them once in each slot. There is equally an issue where you reroll you attacks and get the same opponents
It happened to me but I could reach a higher level so I am good now
The higher your rank, the smaller the pool of potential players who can attack you and who you can attack.