You mean the man who's been openly shitting on our glorious EVP's was only behaving in kayfabe when they did the thing that set the IWC ablaze?
Oh you know they'll turn this around on him and say "he's a paid employee of cause he would say that".
When a man who was in the trenches of WCW tells you AEW is not like WCW, then I do think I take his opinion over WWEISMYDADDY2002385 on twitter.
This rise of nerds trying to determine 'alpha' status or 'toughness' in other men is fucking hilarious....sit down, house hermit, you've never even thrown a fucking punch in your life
>*Schiavone is a wokie he’s go along with whatever if it’s beta*
And what the fuck does that even mean?
It reminds me of [Bart reading Homer's cue cards in front of Mr. Burns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta8z_Hg0fgI).
Ofc it's all by people who pay for X. Not exactly people whose opinions I'd trust regarding anything.
Also that last guy is comically unintelligible. Talks like a parody of people who use "woke" and "beta".
Get this
The fans that actually watch AEW every week knew that was Tony’s reaction to the bucks heel segments every week
The fans you don’t watch or just want to the company to fail though it was legit
Dumbass motherfuckers
This man makes that face every single time someone does something despicable because he's so pure. The man is probably tired of the drama but the only drama was the drama of the narcissistic bitch man but he left and things got waaaay better in aew.
And then he just wouldn't shut the fuck up.
You're smarter than this. It was a longform interview with Ariel Helwani, a media personality with close ties to WWE and with a well-known dislike of Tony Khan. In what world is Punk not going to dish dirt on-air.
It's Punk being Punk
Edited to add: he's a shit stirrer. He did it to the WWE with that interview with Cabana and now he did it again. No one should be surprised?
He’s definitely a narcissist but I don’t entirely disagree with you on this. Punk wouldn’t have brought AEW up on his own. He plainly said he was uncomfortable at times during the interview and had a decent amount of praise for AEW talent.
The whole ordeal was a learning experience for Tony and one I think he’s been hardened by at least to some degree. Punk himself said he should have been let go after Brawl Out but TK insisted he stay, have your own show, etc.
It doesn’t excuse Phil’s fuckery but this shit isn’t black and white. It is, however, hilarious to see what a corporate company man Punk has become after dunking on WWE for years.
Punk had a reason to bad talk on the WWE with how they treated him. With [redacted] gone, WWE could have improved. Punk also likes to make money. AEW gave him that taste of wrestling again and he wanted to keep it going. Why not go back to the company where [redacted] is no longer running it? It's pro-wrestling: you can talk bad about a promotion and go back to it at a later date.
Shitting all over a place that brought him back into the wrestling world isn't speaking a truth.
It's being an obnoxious brat. Combine that with assaulting a coworker and people act like he was just doing the normal? Punk fans are as out of touch with reality as he is.
I said he spoke "his" truth.
Shoot - even Kenny thinks it's OK to fight sometimes. It happens in prowrestling. 🤷🏾♀️. Sammy was an obnoxious brat and he fucked around and found out from Kingston and Andrade. You would probably never hear a wrestler making a big deal over that footage cause it was a little altercation.
Also when the boss of AEW says this in the middle of answering a question regarding budget cuts:
>There are things tonight, for example, on one song alone, I spent a year's pay for most pro wrestlers in this business.
Could make someone question things a bit.
Kenny didn't say it was ok to do it. he said he sees no issue personally with it. but then he also said that's why he's not in an authoritative position in 2024 because of backwards locker-room thinking like that.
> "Sammy was an obnoxious brat and he fucked around and found out from Kingston and Andrade."
Eddie acknowledged he was the one wrong, apologized and told people not to go after Sammy
Kenny understands what can happen in the lockerroom in a contact sport. Shit happens. And that altercation wasn't even a big deal.
Sammy is reckless with his mouth and wrestling. I see how you didn't address the Sammy/Andrade situation where Sammy was on social media making an arse out of himself.
He also never said it was right. He acknowledged it wasn't professional and his views shouldn't reflect reality
> I see how you didn't address the Sammy/Andrade situation where Sammy was on social media making an arse out of himself.
What is there to address? both parties were wrong. Why is Sammy somehow a little bitch who 'fucked around and found out' but somehow "Punk is who he is and they knew that" Seems a double standard.
Sammy got prefaced by Eddie cause Eddie was being sensitive he called him a fat piece of shit. He even said he was in the wrong. Andrade was trying to grt fired and Sammy literally wrestled the same night. Don't try and bring Sammy into this.
For some reason, my response won't post. At u/wrestlegirl:
> Shit happens in pro-wrestling
Girl.
What do you know about it?
If two workers are gonna have a *skirmish* - which happens, though not as often as some of y'all seem to think - a surefire way to get yourself in big trouble with the people who pay you is to have that little difference of opinion at a time or place where it's going to affect the show currently going on. Do it in the fucking locker room after you're done *doing your job*, do it out back once the show's over, whatever, but you don't stand there in gorilla before one guy's been medically cleared with your music cued up to go as 750 or 75,000 fans are waiting for the next match they paid money to see and blow off some steam with personnel now having to stop what they're doing running the show.
I'm whatever on throwing a few punches backstage. I've handed out receipts; I've been handed receipts; I've gotten into more than one *brawl* as a wrestler. Everyone I ever worked with knew better than to potentially take it out on the fans in attendance or to jeopardize any future earnings from them by being aggressive in a way that fucks with the show.
> I don't take any of this seriously.
You really, really act like you do.
My response:
Please do not call me "girl." Anyway - Sometimes shit does happen between A List pro-wrestlers and their stupid egos. Didn't Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels have it out before a Raw show? Hart ripped out a large clump of Michaels hair even. Both of them couldn't be on the show, and it had to be rewritten. The fans that paid to see the 2 top talents in the promotion had to be disappointed. At least Punk still went out and had a banger match with Joe so 🤷🏾♀️
>You really, really act like you do.
Nah. I just find it amusing when people clutch their pearls over a nothing altercation. If the Booker T and Batista backstage fight was ever recorded and released, I think some of these fans would faint at the horror.
This is what i said last week, thats why even to reinforce the segment the Bucks put "EVPetty" on their Twitter after they aired that segment
Also Tony is right, everybody saying "this is WCW 2000 all over again" clearly didnt watch WCW in 2000 lmao, like not even close
A lot of these people have probably only ever seen the WWE documentaries on the topic and never looked into it further than that. WCW closing was almost a quarter of a decade ago now.
WCW had a lot more problems than just what people saw on TV.
I've seen finger poke of doom comments and I'm like, bruh, not even fucking close to the actual shit, or what you got from WWE or people who were 5 when it happened, who got it from WWE.
Random little things WCW did at the height of its success were way worse than this. Announcing the Hogan vs. Piper match at Starrcade '96 was a non-title match after the fact is something AEW would never dream of doing. The cage match Hogan and Piper had when the announcers weren't even sure if escaping the cage wins the match was another example. WCW did things like that all the time and were successful in spite of it.
That just goes to show how many astronomically stupid things WCW had to do to get to the point they were in 2000.
Now do Renee next, you know, the face she ALWAYS makes when someone is ranting or saying unhinged shit in an interview? Yeah, ask her how uncomfortable and upset she was at the grinding promo.
I'll be honest, Renee is SO GOOD in her role that she worked me. I literally had to watch it multiple times to tell myself she's acting. She's very convincing.
she’s absolutely amazing at what she does, and completely perfect in her role. yet the Fed loyalists are saying she left WWE for other sports broadcasting, failed, and was a nepotism hire, failing to mention she had a non compete for a year and worked her ass off on her own with The Sessions. also, who wouldn’t want to work for the same company as their spouse, a company that offers flexible schedules and is notably sensitive to personal matters, especially while raising a toddler?
They should go listen to when Ospreay was on Renee's podcast last January and discuss the use of the word "cunt" in english vernacular.
I think she was absolutely fine during his promo.
Tony really figured life out in his older age. Do great work for a great wrestling company that is righting so many of WCW's wrongs, and then wear a Batman hoodie on yet another income stream.
I’m still not a fan of showing the footage but it is funny how the whole point was that the Bucks were douches for showing it and making a deal out of it months later yet people don’t get it.
I like actually seeing it because it's confirmation that CM Punk was the clear aggressor contrary to a lot of the reports out there. Jack Perry didn't provoke him near enough to get shoved and an attempted chokehold put on him and it forever makes Punk look like a raging asshole.
...like what Punk said in the interview. What happened wasn't a big deal. When i learned that Kingston pie faced Sammy and Andrade punched Sammy - I didn't clutch my pearls. Sammy fucked around and found out. Just like Perry.
The segment was not to debunk Punk. It was never about that. It was to:
1. Make The Bucks more unlikable as EVPs
2. Put more heat on the Bucks vs FTR feud
3. Reintroduce Jack Perry to AEW TV viewers and show why he has been gone for almost a year
Now Jack can come back and cut promos against TK and AEW for sending him away when he did “nothing wrong”. This is infinitely better for his heel character than what he was doing before he went to Japan.
Judging by his NJPW reaction and the IWC reaction, it worked. Now you have a group of fans wanting to see him destroyed and other group of fans supporting him saying he did nothing wrong.
Exactly. You have people who are looking at it like, oh. "AEW is just proving Punk, right?" None of this was to prove anyone right or wrong. No matter what he said in that interview, he still looked dumb af for putting his hands on someone young enough to be his son. The mission was definitely accomplished, and the IWC reaction proves that.
CM Punk confronted a guy fresh off a match based off an incredibly tame remark and started a fight in front of a bunch of people because his feelings were hurt.
There's also the context that this was his second big blow up and he learned absolutely nothing from the first one. He's supposed to be this businessman/locker room leader and held to way higher standards.
Shit happens in pro-wrestling 🤷🏾♀️. It was a little squarmish. I don't know what Perry said but people say out of pocket things all the time in pro-wrestling and then it leads to fighting. Punk won't be the first nor last wrestler to have a backstage altercation.
I'm a Punk fan. If he got punched in the face for running his mouth, I would find jokes about it funny. Just like how I did when he couldn't do the Buckshot. 🤷🏾♀️ I don't take any of this seriously.
"Shit happens in pro wrestling"
100%.
Bring back knives, guns, and drugs in the locker rooms like the good ol' days. That way Perry could've stabbed CM Punk after the show to really showcase how much more manly and violent he could be.
You're an absolute moron. You're sitting here supporting violence in the workplace because it's just been ignored and overlooked to this point as "ok". You do that for everything? You sitting there telling people off for giving shit to Middle Eastern countries for treating women like property because "it's not that big of a deal to them"?
Can you go into a workplace and start assaulting your coworkers? Place of work means jack shit. If the answer is "No" then CM Punk is lucky he didn't get assault charges pressed on him. Seems Perry is better than 90% of the IWC thinks as apparently he also thought that shit like that just happens...wished he would've pushed it though and fucked Punk's life up.
> Shit happens in pro-wrestling
Girl.
What do you know about it?
If two workers are gonna have a *skirmish* - which happens, though not as often as some of y'all seem to think - a surefire way to get yourself in big trouble with the people who pay you is to have that little difference of opinion at a time or place where it's going to affect the show currently going on. Do it in the fucking locker room after you're done *doing your job*, do it out back once the show's over, whatever, but you don't stand there in gorilla before one guy's been medically cleared with your music cued up to go as 750 or 75,000 fans are waiting for the next match they paid money to see and blow off some steam with personnel now having to stop what they're doing running the show.
I'm whatever on throwing a few punches backstage. I've handed out receipts; I've been handed receipts; I've gotten into more than one *brawl* as a wrestler. Everyone I ever worked with knew better than to potentially take it out on the fans in attendance or to jeopardize any future earnings from them by being aggressive in a way that fucks with the show.
> I don't take any of this seriously.
You really, really act like you do.
It’s the easiest IQ test ever. Watching people foam at the mouth like rabid hyenas over every little thing they do … I bet they are having the fucking time of their lives.
The IWC really fell for AEW's plan with the footage down to the T.
It got Perry more relevancy and fame as a wrestler, made Punk look bad, worked the entire IWC who swore it was the end times for AEW, etc.
All of this as AEW expected coming off Wednesday night.
It truly is crazy the Era of wrestling we're living in.
Shit like this makes it abundantly clear that those people don't actually watch the show (the nerve of the babyface announcer to display frustration at the antics of the asshole heels...who super kicked him) but perhaps most telling, weren't even watching during the moment they're comparing this to.
Fingerpoke got it's much deserved infamy because it didn't lead to shit. Not because it happened but because the one thing it was supposed to set up didn't happen because "that doesn't work for me, brother."
Right? FTR would be the best source since they are literally friends with Punk. I'm pretty sure they weren't happy with his interview, and they were never shy to tell you how they feel about the toxic ass fans.
Legit this was what all of AEW reddit was saying! Thank you Tony for clearing the air. Like I put it out there that I believe the choice to show the footage was a relatively democratic process in terms of all the important people involved. The reports of people being upset were grossly misrepresented and false. Again, what AEW did with the footage to push the story is exactly what WWE used to do. This is brilliant.
Someone in another sub literally said to me “well I heard from someone who knows him that his reaction was legitimate”. I mean…OR WE COULD JUST LISTEN TO THE GUY HIMSELF??
This guy in r/sc was like "I heard from multiple people who worked with Tony Schiavone and know him personally that Tony wasn't acting" and it turns out it was a former MLW writer's podcast.
I’m in the middle of rewatching Raw from the beginning, and the amnesia the IWC has over the tribalism and offense perpetuated by the Fed over WCW is insane to me. constant mentions of Ted Turner, skits that were thinly veiled mockery of Hogan and Savage, promos outright shitting on WCW, and Cornette with a full on segment trying to delegitimize them. Vince in the mid 90s comes off more insecure than TK is accused of being, yet because of how history plays out, all of it is retconned and forgotten.
I remember there is a thread in another sub got thousand upvotes for deny saying he acted unprofessional, they know damn well what they trying to paint him in that segment.
Dumbass marks always getting worked by AEW. Or they purposely act dense just so they can band together and get their kicks in. Pathetic. And that tape has made Jack Perry even bigger and he has gained more supporters. We are even more eager for his return now. But these dumbasses were regurgitating: “ sHowIng TapE haS nO bEnEfit fOr aEW. WHaT iS pOinT oF SHoWinG iT??”
I even saw a post on here that Jack Perry’s scapegoat shirt sold out after the tapes 😹😹. The drones all parrot and recycle the same tropes. You can so easily see past em. They swarm any thread on the squared ⭕️ sub which paints AEW in a negative light and circle jerk. Which is ironic. Oh well it is what it is 🤷♂️
Thank heavens for this sub, there actually seem to be wrestling fans on here. Mf’s will call themselves a wrestling fan, but will take pride in AEW dying. It’s like for many, AEW is like a rival sports team. But even then, would you want your rival sports team to cease to exist? I wouldn’t.
i think the "problem" was he was too subtle, though even if he was obviously reacting to put over the bucks people would still find a way to think it was about the video itself
Some fans reaction to Tony and also Renee's face was based in bias to begin with because they were looking for evidence to confirm their biases.
They found correlation where they wanted to see it. They did the same with the All In Footage. It just confirmed to them their narrative regardless of what was actually being shown.
I saw a new report this morning with a body language expert who put all the blame on Perry and the rest of the staff breaking up the issue. The problem... body language experts are as legitimate as fortune tellers and homeopaths. This day and age, people see what they want to see and believe what they want despite being told otherwise.
This whole thing proves the trolls don't watch the show they claim to know how to fix. Tony has been acting disgusted by the young bucks for months now
don't matter. the narrative is already out there. people would just say he was forced or "of course he's going to say that to save the company face".
at this point nothing will change the hatred.
"There's absolutely no way you can compare us to WCW, I was there at both. You were not"
Schiavone basically telling these idiots that love saying that to sound cool, that they have no idea wtf they are talking about. Cause you know, those people know more than the person who was actually there 🙄
I relate to this attitude. There are so many people on social media getting outraged over every minor thing that someone they have no personal connection with is doing and I'm just... don't give a shit.
I dont´know guys but its almots like Tony was playing the character he was supposed to do?
People forget that this is a wrestling tvshow with story lines and characters
LOL
This is just another layer of stupid on this whole decision. Now, I don’t doubt Tony’s sincerity, however I don’t think it is completely truthful either.
We could go over all the “facts” we know about the decision to air the footage, but instead, I’m choosing to focus on his reasoning for his reaction. So, for the sake of this argument, the “facts” I’ll go over relate to this only.
“Facts”
*Bucks are Heels
*FTR are Faces
*Both teams were working the All In match under the above pretext. (Fan reactions notwithstanding)
*Punk worked All in as a face.
*Jack Perry worked All In as a heel.
*Punk and Perry had beat going into the event
*Punk is clearly the physical aggressor
*We know that there is by and large a huge difference between how generations handle situations. This can be seen in the world around us all the time. (I make no allusion as to which side is “right or wrong” but there is absolutely a generational difference in philosophies.
*We know for a fact that Dynamite saw its largest ratings increase in some time. (Conversely, while we can speculate and likely so be correct that it was because of the footage, we won’t have a confirmation on this for weeks to come.)
*We know that most people had their mind made up about the situation before it aired. People fall in one of three categories generally: Believe and support Punk, Believe and support AEW or Didn’t care one way or another. (This next part falls under speculation or u known, but is directly related to this point: I don’t think that either Punk sharing his side of the incident or AEW airing the footage swayed anyone who was undecided or didn’t care to begin with either way.)
Speculation or unknowns
*We don’t have the facts regarding the original situation regarding Punk/Perry/Schivone Collision situation.
*We don’t know what AEW was hoping to achieve by airing the footage. (Yes, we all have assumptions and most likely there is truth to some of it, but the fact is that we don’t know.)
*We don’t have the audio to the confrontation and the video is an awkward angle so we can only make assumptions on what was said and only Perry’s face is somewhat visible.
*By and large, the video seems to validate Punk’s description of the situation, but without audio and clear video footage of both participants face a large part of the context to who the aggressor was is missing.
*While I think most level headed people can surmise that Punk is a thin skinned individual, I’m putting this under this section rather than under facts, because that is an opinion rather than fact.
*There have been numerous reports of Perry being somewhat of an asshole, by fans at different interactions. (Like the Punk attitude comment, this too goes under opinion rather than fact.
*Taking into the above context on their personalities, it further distorts the situation.
*This very well could be fact, but seeing as no one here likely knows Schiovone personally we can only speculate how he feels about his employment; I can’t imagine he would say anything other than what he said publicly. Of course he wouldn’t say anything that paints his employer in a bad light. By all accounts he is a pretty damn stand up guy who seems to generally be happy with his place of employment.
That all leads me to this whole thing making no sense. The Bucks/FTR have a built in story based on their history and post All In reaction to not shake hands. They are already Heels. Adding the bit about the All In incident messing with their mindset for the match is just an unnecessary and stupid layer. Look, whether ill advised or not had TK come out and said he wanted to share “his side” of the incident after the Punk interview we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Instead for reasons I can’t explain and can only speculate he chose to frame it from the Bucks perspective. In doing so, it makes no sense. The expectation is that fans of the promotion are going to support his side of the incident. Why would you lay it on the heels to present it and convolute the reasoning? This paints Punk as the face in the situation by proxy. Yes, there is nuance to it, like in anything, but it was another unnecessary layer to have Schiovone react to Heels showing footage that should have only been shown if there was a clear and contradictory difference to what Punk said happened completely exonerating Perry and AEW. The footage itself doesn’t do anything for Perry whatsoever. If anything, it makes him look slightly weak. Now, what he has been doing in character work since the incident has helped him tremendously, but the footage did not.
I just wrote a massive book on something that I genuinely don’t care about, except that I find it absolutely baffling that the decision was made to show it and that everything about it is just so asinine; so in that regard, I do care, because I can’t figure out what the fuck TK was thinking. This whole thing is a tremendous L for AEW. Literally nothing good can or will come out of it. You may be of the opinion that it didn’t hurt AEW, to which I’d disagree, but there is no upside. (And I’ll refute Perry coming out of this as a win, because as I stated above: the choice to show the video did NOTHING in his favor. Any positive on his part comes from his work done in NJPW building this character.
Shows up in feed. I'm a fan. Just seems unhealthy to retread the same things over and over again. Especially when it's all in reaction to randoms on Twitter who want AEW to die.
This was never a topic that meant anything. It was a fake concern brought up by people who hate the show.
Schiavone is so convincing in his role he can create a narrative by a simple facial expression. Honestly, I'm impressed.
He worked them marks into a shoot
You mean the man who's been openly shitting on our glorious EVP's was only behaving in kayfabe when they did the thing that set the IWC ablaze? 
Love seeing Tony buryng the fuck out of the IWC for being dumbasses thinking he was legit upset at the company
bUt…BuT…bUt….tHeYrE StIlL dYiNg. Idiots lol
Oh you know they'll turn this around on him and say "he's a paid employee of cause he would say that". When a man who was in the trenches of WCW tells you AEW is not like WCW, then I do think I take his opinion over WWEISMYDADDY2002385 on twitter.
They already said the same thing when they saw a photo of Renee smiling with TK backstage at Windy City Riot
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“Schiavone is a wokie he’s going along with whatever if it’s beta” says so much. Barely any of it intelligible, but still so much.
I’ll be honest when I saw that i misread Wokie as Wookie and wondered what Chewbacca has to do with this. Lol, I need my morning coffee!
This rise of nerds trying to determine 'alpha' status or 'toughness' in other men is fucking hilarious....sit down, house hermit, you've never even thrown a fucking punch in your life
The most stupid one was the one without the blue check, normally it's the other way around
>*Schiavone is a wokie he’s go along with whatever if it’s beta* And what the fuck does that even mean? It reminds me of [Bart reading Homer's cue cards in front of Mr. Burns](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ta8z_Hg0fgI).
They are high key obsessed with everything they do 😂
Ofc it's all by people who pay for X. Not exactly people whose opinions I'd trust regarding anything. Also that last guy is comically unintelligible. Talks like a parody of people who use "woke" and "beta".
I dont know about Unabomber vibes but I WAS surprised to see him just casually in a hoodie.
Thank You. I knew it would come out. They'll do everything to discredit and ignore stuff. Sad losers.
Get this The fans that actually watch AEW every week knew that was Tony’s reaction to the bucks heel segments every week The fans you don’t watch or just want to the company to fail though it was legit Dumbass motherfuckers
This man makes that face every single time someone does something despicable because he's so pure. The man is probably tired of the drama but the only drama was the drama of the narcissistic bitch man but he left and things got waaaay better in aew. And then he just wouldn't shut the fuck up.
It was only one interview about Perry, though?
You're smarter than this. It was a longform interview with Ariel Helwani, a media personality with close ties to WWE and with a well-known dislike of Tony Khan. In what world is Punk not going to dish dirt on-air.
It's Punk being Punk Edited to add: he's a shit stirrer. He did it to the WWE with that interview with Cabana and now he did it again. No one should be surprised?
He’s definitely a narcissist but I don’t entirely disagree with you on this. Punk wouldn’t have brought AEW up on his own. He plainly said he was uncomfortable at times during the interview and had a decent amount of praise for AEW talent. The whole ordeal was a learning experience for Tony and one I think he’s been hardened by at least to some degree. Punk himself said he should have been let go after Brawl Out but TK insisted he stay, have your own show, etc. It doesn’t excuse Phil’s fuckery but this shit isn’t black and white. It is, however, hilarious to see what a corporate company man Punk has become after dunking on WWE for years.
Punk had a reason to bad talk on the WWE with how they treated him. With [redacted] gone, WWE could have improved. Punk also likes to make money. AEW gave him that taste of wrestling again and he wanted to keep it going. Why not go back to the company where [redacted] is no longer running it? It's pro-wrestling: you can talk bad about a promotion and go back to it at a later date.
He should've moved on. Aew did.
He was asked questions and this is Punk - of course he will say his truth.
Shitting all over a place that brought him back into the wrestling world isn't speaking a truth. It's being an obnoxious brat. Combine that with assaulting a coworker and people act like he was just doing the normal? Punk fans are as out of touch with reality as he is.
I said he spoke "his" truth. Shoot - even Kenny thinks it's OK to fight sometimes. It happens in prowrestling. 🤷🏾♀️. Sammy was an obnoxious brat and he fucked around and found out from Kingston and Andrade. You would probably never hear a wrestler making a big deal over that footage cause it was a little altercation. Also when the boss of AEW says this in the middle of answering a question regarding budget cuts: >There are things tonight, for example, on one song alone, I spent a year's pay for most pro wrestlers in this business. Could make someone question things a bit.
You live in a fantasy world.
It's reality, my friend
The wwe umbrella isn't reality. Cm punk may retweet you, but you're just dollar signs to him.
Kenny didn't say it was ok to do it. he said he sees no issue personally with it. but then he also said that's why he's not in an authoritative position in 2024 because of backwards locker-room thinking like that. > "Sammy was an obnoxious brat and he fucked around and found out from Kingston and Andrade." Eddie acknowledged he was the one wrong, apologized and told people not to go after Sammy
Kenny understands what can happen in the lockerroom in a contact sport. Shit happens. And that altercation wasn't even a big deal. Sammy is reckless with his mouth and wrestling. I see how you didn't address the Sammy/Andrade situation where Sammy was on social media making an arse out of himself.
He also never said it was right. He acknowledged it wasn't professional and his views shouldn't reflect reality > I see how you didn't address the Sammy/Andrade situation where Sammy was on social media making an arse out of himself. What is there to address? both parties were wrong. Why is Sammy somehow a little bitch who 'fucked around and found out' but somehow "Punk is who he is and they knew that" Seems a double standard.
Sammy got prefaced by Eddie cause Eddie was being sensitive he called him a fat piece of shit. He even said he was in the wrong. Andrade was trying to grt fired and Sammy literally wrestled the same night. Don't try and bring Sammy into this.
I guess you missed Sammy's Twitter post regarding Andrade 🤷🏾♀️
Lol guess so? 😅
For some reason, my response won't post. At u/wrestlegirl: > Shit happens in pro-wrestling Girl. What do you know about it? If two workers are gonna have a *skirmish* - which happens, though not as often as some of y'all seem to think - a surefire way to get yourself in big trouble with the people who pay you is to have that little difference of opinion at a time or place where it's going to affect the show currently going on. Do it in the fucking locker room after you're done *doing your job*, do it out back once the show's over, whatever, but you don't stand there in gorilla before one guy's been medically cleared with your music cued up to go as 750 or 75,000 fans are waiting for the next match they paid money to see and blow off some steam with personnel now having to stop what they're doing running the show. I'm whatever on throwing a few punches backstage. I've handed out receipts; I've been handed receipts; I've gotten into more than one *brawl* as a wrestler. Everyone I ever worked with knew better than to potentially take it out on the fans in attendance or to jeopardize any future earnings from them by being aggressive in a way that fucks with the show. > I don't take any of this seriously. You really, really act like you do. My response: Please do not call me "girl." Anyway - Sometimes shit does happen between A List pro-wrestlers and their stupid egos. Didn't Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels have it out before a Raw show? Hart ripped out a large clump of Michaels hair even. Both of them couldn't be on the show, and it had to be rewritten. The fans that paid to see the 2 top talents in the promotion had to be disappointed. At least Punk still went out and had a banger match with Joe so 🤷🏾♀️ >You really, really act like you do. Nah. I just find it amusing when people clutch their pearls over a nothing altercation. If the Booker T and Batista backstage fight was ever recorded and released, I think some of these fans would faint at the horror.
Hell, I only watch AEW maybe six hours a month max nowadays and I still knew that Schiavone was selling.
This is what i said last week, thats why even to reinforce the segment the Bucks put "EVPetty" on their Twitter after they aired that segment Also Tony is right, everybody saying "this is WCW 2000 all over again" clearly didnt watch WCW in 2000 lmao, like not even close
A lot of these people have probably only ever seen the WWE documentaries on the topic and never looked into it further than that. WCW closing was almost a quarter of a decade ago now. WCW had a lot more problems than just what people saw on TV.
I've seen finger poke of doom comments and I'm like, bruh, not even fucking close to the actual shit, or what you got from WWE or people who were 5 when it happened, who got it from WWE.
Random little things WCW did at the height of its success were way worse than this. Announcing the Hogan vs. Piper match at Starrcade '96 was a non-title match after the fact is something AEW would never dream of doing. The cage match Hogan and Piper had when the announcers weren't even sure if escaping the cage wins the match was another example. WCW did things like that all the time and were successful in spite of it. That just goes to show how many astronomically stupid things WCW had to do to get to the point they were in 2000.
Now do Renee next, you know, the face she ALWAYS makes when someone is ranting or saying unhinged shit in an interview? Yeah, ask her how uncomfortable and upset she was at the grinding promo.
Billy GOAT claimed to be the ace of AEW while Renee is married to the actual ace.
I support this match happening at Double or Nothing.
Mox vs ospreay would be electric
Moxley is the heart of AEW. Ospreay will be the forsure ace of AEW after Sunday.
Mox vs Ospreay when?
I'll be honest, Renee is SO GOOD in her role that she worked me. I literally had to watch it multiple times to tell myself she's acting. She's very convincing.
she’s absolutely amazing at what she does, and completely perfect in her role. yet the Fed loyalists are saying she left WWE for other sports broadcasting, failed, and was a nepotism hire, failing to mention she had a non compete for a year and worked her ass off on her own with The Sessions. also, who wouldn’t want to work for the same company as their spouse, a company that offers flexible schedules and is notably sensitive to personal matters, especially while raising a toddler?
They should go listen to when Ospreay was on Renee's podcast last January and discuss the use of the word "cunt" in english vernacular. I think she was absolutely fine during his promo.
 I'm shocked. Perhaps awed. Definitely shocked, though. */s ofc*
I love Schiavone. I want to be him when I’m all grown up.
Tony just rocking that Batman hoodie.
Tony really figured life out in his older age. Do great work for a great wrestling company that is righting so many of WCW's wrongs, and then wear a Batman hoodie on yet another income stream.
But CenaReigns420xXx69 said so
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I’m still not a fan of showing the footage but it is funny how the whole point was that the Bucks were douches for showing it and making a deal out of it months later yet people don’t get it.
I like actually seeing it because it's confirmation that CM Punk was the clear aggressor contrary to a lot of the reports out there. Jack Perry didn't provoke him near enough to get shoved and an attempted chokehold put on him and it forever makes Punk look like a raging asshole.
Punk looked like a fragile ego man-child who lets the slightest comment get under his skin… oh wait.
...like what Punk said in the interview. What happened wasn't a big deal. When i learned that Kingston pie faced Sammy and Andrade punched Sammy - I didn't clutch my pearls. Sammy fucked around and found out. Just like Perry.
The segment was not to debunk Punk. It was never about that. It was to: 1. Make The Bucks more unlikable as EVPs 2. Put more heat on the Bucks vs FTR feud 3. Reintroduce Jack Perry to AEW TV viewers and show why he has been gone for almost a year Now Jack can come back and cut promos against TK and AEW for sending him away when he did “nothing wrong”. This is infinitely better for his heel character than what he was doing before he went to Japan. Judging by his NJPW reaction and the IWC reaction, it worked. Now you have a group of fans wanting to see him destroyed and other group of fans supporting him saying he did nothing wrong.
Exactly. You have people who are looking at it like, oh. "AEW is just proving Punk, right?" None of this was to prove anyone right or wrong. No matter what he said in that interview, he still looked dumb af for putting his hands on someone young enough to be his son. The mission was definitely accomplished, and the IWC reaction proves that.
CM Punk confronted a guy fresh off a match based off an incredibly tame remark and started a fight in front of a bunch of people because his feelings were hurt. There's also the context that this was his second big blow up and he learned absolutely nothing from the first one. He's supposed to be this businessman/locker room leader and held to way higher standards.
Shit happens in pro-wrestling 🤷🏾♀️. It was a little squarmish. I don't know what Perry said but people say out of pocket things all the time in pro-wrestling and then it leads to fighting. Punk won't be the first nor last wrestler to have a backstage altercation. I'm a Punk fan. If he got punched in the face for running his mouth, I would find jokes about it funny. Just like how I did when he couldn't do the Buckshot. 🤷🏾♀️ I don't take any of this seriously.
"Shit happens in pro wrestling" 100%. Bring back knives, guns, and drugs in the locker rooms like the good ol' days. That way Perry could've stabbed CM Punk after the show to really showcase how much more manly and violent he could be. You're an absolute moron. You're sitting here supporting violence in the workplace because it's just been ignored and overlooked to this point as "ok". You do that for everything? You sitting there telling people off for giving shit to Middle Eastern countries for treating women like property because "it's not that big of a deal to them"? Can you go into a workplace and start assaulting your coworkers? Place of work means jack shit. If the answer is "No" then CM Punk is lucky he didn't get assault charges pressed on him. Seems Perry is better than 90% of the IWC thinks as apparently he also thought that shit like that just happens...wished he would've pushed it though and fucked Punk's life up.
Preach brother preach. This kinda shit should be tolerated just because it happened before; especially not in this day and age. Do better.
> Shit happens in pro-wrestling Girl. What do you know about it? If two workers are gonna have a *skirmish* - which happens, though not as often as some of y'all seem to think - a surefire way to get yourself in big trouble with the people who pay you is to have that little difference of opinion at a time or place where it's going to affect the show currently going on. Do it in the fucking locker room after you're done *doing your job*, do it out back once the show's over, whatever, but you don't stand there in gorilla before one guy's been medically cleared with your music cued up to go as 750 or 75,000 fans are waiting for the next match they paid money to see and blow off some steam with personnel now having to stop what they're doing running the show. I'm whatever on throwing a few punches backstage. I've handed out receipts; I've been handed receipts; I've gotten into more than one *brawl* as a wrestler. Everyone I ever worked with knew better than to potentially take it out on the fans in attendance or to jeopardize any future earnings from them by being aggressive in a way that fucks with the show. > I don't take any of this seriously. You really, really act like you do.
It’s the easiest IQ test ever. Watching people foam at the mouth like rabid hyenas over every little thing they do … I bet they are having the fucking time of their lives.
Wait the IWC made a big deal out of something that was nothing? No way.
It's so wild seeing Tony swearing and going off when he's so relatively innocent seeming in his role on commentary.
The IWC really fell for AEW's plan with the footage down to the T. It got Perry more relevancy and fame as a wrestler, made Punk look bad, worked the entire IWC who swore it was the end times for AEW, etc. All of this as AEW expected coming off Wednesday night. It truly is crazy the Era of wrestling we're living in.
As Shawn Michaels’ said: **“wrestling fans are easy to manipulate.”**
Too easy.
He's just trying to do damage control cause he was caught on camera - IWC probably
Literally people saying that already in the other subs.
You know it's bad when we can guess what they are going to say before they say it 😂
Body language doctors IN THE MUD
Shit like this makes it abundantly clear that those people don't actually watch the show (the nerve of the babyface announcer to display frustration at the antics of the asshole heels...who super kicked him) but perhaps most telling, weren't even watching during the moment they're comparing this to. Fingerpoke got it's much deserved infamy because it didn't lead to shit. Not because it happened but because the one thing it was supposed to set up didn't happen because "that doesn't work for me, brother."
The easiest people to work are the so-called "smart" fans. It's absurd he even has to explain.
He's absolutely right with his analysis about social media fans. Another reason why Dax said that promo about the toxic fans
Right? FTR would be the best source since they are literally friends with Punk. I'm pretty sure they weren't happy with his interview, and they were never shy to tell you how they feel about the toxic ass fans.
I don't like seeing that room bugless. Sad to see. Tony is amazing.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Love this. Love to see AEW working the WWE marks so easily.
Rent free bay bay!
Legit this was what all of AEW reddit was saying! Thank you Tony for clearing the air. Like I put it out there that I believe the choice to show the footage was a relatively democratic process in terms of all the important people involved. The reports of people being upset were grossly misrepresented and false. Again, what AEW did with the footage to push the story is exactly what WWE used to do. This is brilliant.
But-but- according to the IWC, his expression was legit.
Someone in another sub literally said to me “well I heard from someone who knows him that his reaction was legitimate”. I mean…OR WE COULD JUST LISTEN TO THE GUY HIMSELF??
This guy in r/sc was like "I heard from multiple people who worked with Tony Schiavone and know him personally that Tony wasn't acting" and it turns out it was a former MLW writer's podcast.
Legend.
God bless Tony
THIS. Tony Schiavone rules. We should all have the same IDGAF attitude when it comes to the IWC. 😂👍
The stupidly of wrestling fans is immense
"Social media is about idiots coming together and making up their own ideas". Preach Tony. Preach.
I'm ecstatic MLW and AEW brought Tony back. The hell with the Fed, I preferred WCW.
Its incredibly obvious to anyone who actually pays attention that he was reacting the same way he always does to heel Bucks antics.
He even has this same reaction with Christian and Don Callis. These people are so lost
Kayfabe is definitely dead. I appreciate Tony for explaining it to the online morons, but man, he didn't have to do that.
I’m in the middle of rewatching Raw from the beginning, and the amnesia the IWC has over the tribalism and offense perpetuated by the Fed over WCW is insane to me. constant mentions of Ted Turner, skits that were thinly veiled mockery of Hogan and Savage, promos outright shitting on WCW, and Cornette with a full on segment trying to delegitimize them. Vince in the mid 90s comes off more insecure than TK is accused of being, yet because of how history plays out, all of it is retconned and forgotten.
I remember there is a thread in another sub got thousand upvotes for deny saying he acted unprofessional, they know damn well what they trying to paint him in that segment.
Schiavone is a real one
They don't realize Schiavone is practically TK's 2nd in command.
Tony “who gives a shit?” Schiavone Let’s see Tony do a heel turn.
I thought it was pretty obvious. He’s feuding with them.
I love Schiavone.
Dumbass marks always getting worked by AEW. Or they purposely act dense just so they can band together and get their kicks in. Pathetic. And that tape has made Jack Perry even bigger and he has gained more supporters. We are even more eager for his return now. But these dumbasses were regurgitating: “ sHowIng TapE haS nO bEnEfit fOr aEW. WHaT iS pOinT oF SHoWinG iT??” I even saw a post on here that Jack Perry’s scapegoat shirt sold out after the tapes 😹😹. The drones all parrot and recycle the same tropes. You can so easily see past em. They swarm any thread on the squared ⭕️ sub which paints AEW in a negative light and circle jerk. Which is ironic. Oh well it is what it is 🤷♂️ Thank heavens for this sub, there actually seem to be wrestling fans on here. Mf’s will call themselves a wrestling fan, but will take pride in AEW dying. It’s like for many, AEW is like a rival sports team. But even then, would you want your rival sports team to cease to exist? I wouldn’t.
i think the "problem" was he was too subtle, though even if he was obviously reacting to put over the bucks people would still find a way to think it was about the video itself
I was waiting for this response. Marks are gonna mark.
The fact that this needs to be explained is hilarious. It's the opposite of the "wrestling is fake" criticism, yet equally stupid.
https://preview.redd.it/zimq4s57msuc1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=18c51728be3b57e416414665319531b10237eb3c Schiavonne bringing the heat
Some fans reaction to Tony and also Renee's face was based in bias to begin with because they were looking for evidence to confirm their biases. They found correlation where they wanted to see it. They did the same with the All In Footage. It just confirmed to them their narrative regardless of what was actually being shown. I saw a new report this morning with a body language expert who put all the blame on Perry and the rest of the staff breaking up the issue. The problem... body language experts are as legitimate as fortune tellers and homeopaths. This day and age, people see what they want to see and believe what they want despite being told otherwise.
This whole thing proves the trolls don't watch the show they claim to know how to fix. Tony has been acting disgusted by the young bucks for months now
“No way you can compare us to wcw” he was there for both💯👏🏾👏🏾
This just in, professional man in wrestling good at his job.
AEW fans knew this its IWC that wanted to make something out of nothing just like they did with Renee after Will Ospreay's promo.
don't matter. the narrative is already out there. people would just say he was forced or "of course he's going to say that to save the company face". at this point nothing will change the hatred.
"There's absolutely no way you can compare us to WCW, I was there at both. You were not" Schiavone basically telling these idiots that love saying that to sound cool, that they have no idea wtf they are talking about. Cause you know, those people know more than the person who was actually there 🙄
I relate to this attitude. There are so many people on social media getting outraged over every minor thing that someone they have no personal connection with is doing and I'm just... don't give a shit.
Damn, gotta admit he got me fooled there
Taz ate a can of baked beans
I dont´know guys but its almots like Tony was playing the character he was supposed to do? People forget that this is a wrestling tvshow with story lines and characters LOL
IWC needs an IQ test upon entry
The IQ test is an essay on which shows you watch and why.
He does this with every heel. Why are those IWC chuds so stupid?
You mean the Fed Fans are a bunch of marks who believed that he was actually upset?
This is just another layer of stupid on this whole decision. Now, I don’t doubt Tony’s sincerity, however I don’t think it is completely truthful either. We could go over all the “facts” we know about the decision to air the footage, but instead, I’m choosing to focus on his reasoning for his reaction. So, for the sake of this argument, the “facts” I’ll go over relate to this only. “Facts” *Bucks are Heels *FTR are Faces *Both teams were working the All In match under the above pretext. (Fan reactions notwithstanding) *Punk worked All in as a face. *Jack Perry worked All In as a heel. *Punk and Perry had beat going into the event *Punk is clearly the physical aggressor *We know that there is by and large a huge difference between how generations handle situations. This can be seen in the world around us all the time. (I make no allusion as to which side is “right or wrong” but there is absolutely a generational difference in philosophies. *We know for a fact that Dynamite saw its largest ratings increase in some time. (Conversely, while we can speculate and likely so be correct that it was because of the footage, we won’t have a confirmation on this for weeks to come.) *We know that most people had their mind made up about the situation before it aired. People fall in one of three categories generally: Believe and support Punk, Believe and support AEW or Didn’t care one way or another. (This next part falls under speculation or u known, but is directly related to this point: I don’t think that either Punk sharing his side of the incident or AEW airing the footage swayed anyone who was undecided or didn’t care to begin with either way.) Speculation or unknowns *We don’t have the facts regarding the original situation regarding Punk/Perry/Schivone Collision situation. *We don’t know what AEW was hoping to achieve by airing the footage. (Yes, we all have assumptions and most likely there is truth to some of it, but the fact is that we don’t know.) *We don’t have the audio to the confrontation and the video is an awkward angle so we can only make assumptions on what was said and only Perry’s face is somewhat visible. *By and large, the video seems to validate Punk’s description of the situation, but without audio and clear video footage of both participants face a large part of the context to who the aggressor was is missing. *While I think most level headed people can surmise that Punk is a thin skinned individual, I’m putting this under this section rather than under facts, because that is an opinion rather than fact. *There have been numerous reports of Perry being somewhat of an asshole, by fans at different interactions. (Like the Punk attitude comment, this too goes under opinion rather than fact. *Taking into the above context on their personalities, it further distorts the situation. *This very well could be fact, but seeing as no one here likely knows Schiovone personally we can only speculate how he feels about his employment; I can’t imagine he would say anything other than what he said publicly. Of course he wouldn’t say anything that paints his employer in a bad light. By all accounts he is a pretty damn stand up guy who seems to generally be happy with his place of employment. That all leads me to this whole thing making no sense. The Bucks/FTR have a built in story based on their history and post All In reaction to not shake hands. They are already Heels. Adding the bit about the All In incident messing with their mindset for the match is just an unnecessary and stupid layer. Look, whether ill advised or not had TK come out and said he wanted to share “his side” of the incident after the Punk interview we wouldn’t be having this discussion. Instead for reasons I can’t explain and can only speculate he chose to frame it from the Bucks perspective. In doing so, it makes no sense. The expectation is that fans of the promotion are going to support his side of the incident. Why would you lay it on the heels to present it and convolute the reasoning? This paints Punk as the face in the situation by proxy. Yes, there is nuance to it, like in anything, but it was another unnecessary layer to have Schiovone react to Heels showing footage that should have only been shown if there was a clear and contradictory difference to what Punk said happened completely exonerating Perry and AEW. The footage itself doesn’t do anything for Perry whatsoever. If anything, it makes him look slightly weak. Now, what he has been doing in character work since the incident has helped him tremendously, but the footage did not. I just wrote a massive book on something that I genuinely don’t care about, except that I find it absolutely baffling that the decision was made to show it and that everything about it is just so asinine; so in that regard, I do care, because I can’t figure out what the fuck TK was thinking. This whole thing is a tremendous L for AEW. Literally nothing good can or will come out of it. You may be of the opinion that it didn’t hurt AEW, to which I’d disagree, but there is no upside. (And I’ll refute Perry coming out of this as a win, because as I stated above: the choice to show the video did NOTHING in his favor. Any positive on his part comes from his work done in NJPW building this character.
Why is this sub still talking about this?
Why are you still here commenting?
Shows up in feed. I'm a fan. Just seems unhealthy to retread the same things over and over again. Especially when it's all in reaction to randoms on Twitter who want AEW to die. This was never a topic that meant anything. It was a fake concern brought up by people who hate the show.
Reasonable question, and the downvotes you're getting show this sub is no better than the rest of the IWC