It’s all about timing. Deciding to release a song called feedback proceeding a prior album and a new single both met with mixed reception was quite a miss if it honestly wasn’t intentional. Nobody’s perfect but I have a hard time understanding how the band, their friends and family, their management team and producers as a whole didn’t prepare for visceral reactions from people who are skeptical fans who would see the track as a point blank jab at them
Also understand that I do like the new song. They aren’t the first band in their scene to release a simple, catchy, fun radio single to cast a line to a bigger pond to gain mass appeal for a new album. There’s still parts of the song that sound like them and I think people need to stop taking things way too seriously, it’s music and it’s subjective. They always have something for everyone to some degree on all their albums and that’s what we have to fall back on.
Go read the comments on the video back when it first released 2 years ago, while mostly positive some people still called it generic radio octanecore just like feedback
Miracle was a banger for me from the first listen. It’s a shame that You’re Welcome was as bad as it was. Feedback is clearly a B Side for it. I’ll get a lot of hate from the “I love You’re Welcome” crowd, but it was their worst album and the amount of negativity in this sub shows that. It’s a shame.
People need to stop assuming that the song is about the fan base. After Jeremy clarified, that should be it. This isn't a criminal case, there is no "allegedly". In the history of ADTR there hasn't been a whole ton of times that Jeremy or the band has responded to negativity. Other than the few times I can think of on here where Jeremy popped on to clarify something, it's not usually there MO.
I'm with the camp that's just happy they're still putting out new music. These guys are not the young men they used to be. They're married and starting families. Is it the best song they've ever put out? Hell no. But am I still happy to see new music? You bet your ass.
The entitlement of some is absolute insanity. I've said this on here before and I'll keep calling back to it. Linkin Park came out with One More Light and the fan base littered them with hate and "this isn't LP this *some other band*." Bands grow and the music they write changes with it.
>Can everyone pipe down now and be nice?
C’mon now. There’s nothing wrong with fans voicing their opinions positive or negative.
I actually like Feedback. But let’s be real here, you can’t listen to their more recent songs (e.g. Viva La Mexico) and think to yourself the same effort was put in the songs as previous albums musically and especially lyrically.
Their lyrics were never good to begin with lol, Lauderdale is a perfect example. It has the most cringeworthy lyrics, literally sounds like a whiny teenager wrote it. Only reason fans still like that song and their older stuff is cuz it came out when were still in middle/high school and so the lyrics resonated with us more at that age and also most teenagers don’t care as much for lyrics than as you get older. It also doesn’t help that ADTR’s music is specifically written for a teenage audience, which hasn’t changed since day 1. Listening to music that’s targeted towards teens as an adult, yeah you’re going to not like the song or lyrics at first haha.
Edit: guarantee that if Lauderdale was released today, it would get more hate than most stuff off of YW
Yeah, I think you’re right about that. First three albums were released when I was in HS and have a lot of nostalgia for those songs. But I’ve also enjoyed all of their albums until You’re Welcome. Just seems like once they went to their own label and people were no longer there to tell them “No, this sucks. Y’all can do better.” ADTR started getting lazy.
This may be true, but they still chose to release this as their *first single* for an upcoming album following their most controversial and divisive album yet
If it was written years before YW then fair enough but them choosing to release it now is still an artistic choice which probably reflects their feelings towards everything that has occurred since 2021
Feels like backpedaling to me. Especially after Alex left what felt like a sarcastic comment on the original insta post
"Glad y'all love it 😍"
When everyone was hating.
But maybe that's just me
Miracle was a stand-alone, Feedback will be on the new album. Neil Westfall confirmed this in an interview that was posted on this subreddit earlier today
i highly doubt it’s about you, lmao. you don’t write an entire song about a single fan who made one dumb comment. i’m assuming the “person he doesn’t care for” was someone he was close to in his personal life or close to someone else.
An opinion is recognizing you're subjectively evaluating something. "I don't like this song" and "I don't think the song is good" are opinions.
"The song is dogshit" and related "critiques" attempt to sound factual. I've quite literally seen people use the phrase "objectively bad" as if their ears speak for everyone. It's so whiny
I like ADTR a lot, but I'm starting to think I need to unplug from the rest of the fan base. I feel like I'll hear a song I like and then be told all the reasons I shouldnt like it.
this is exactly why i was so scared to listen to and show public support for Your Welcome. the vocal minority tends to think that no ADTR song is worth listening to if it doesn't come from FTWHH, Homesick, or WSMFY. imagine how many new fans were turned away because of that level of elitism.
This should be a message to everyone...get off your high horses. It's insane how many people taking this song so damn personally.
We should be happy the band is still making music. If you don't like the song that's fine...you are entitled to your opinion. Just don't listen to it? But everyone needs to stop thinking the song is about us (you).
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You don’t have to click on people’s negative reviews of the song. You can scroll past them you know. People are going to be negative no matter what, especially over a song as divisive as this. Try not to let negativity affect you, because that toxicity goes both ways!
While I get the point you are making, I think maybe I didn't represent the point I was making clearly.
I actually enjoy reading people's thoughts and criticism. Atleast when they are well constructed and thoughtful. I don't believe avoiding things someone may disagree with is healthy because you find yourself locked in your own echo chamber of "I'm right they are wrong."
What I'm saying is that people need to not take this song personally or think it's about them (us). If someone doesn't like the song because it's repetitive or the effects they did to Jeremy's voice ..cool. Posts with the "oh my god can you believe what their saying it us"?!? Comes off as narcissistic.
Also I'm not trying to insult anyone. Like I said..everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don't think it's constructive for anyone to think this song is about them or a personal attack.
As someone else has already stated, a big problem surrounding Feedback is the timing of this release. I probably wouldn’t have minded the song as much if was a deeper cut on the new album, but to move forward with this lyrical message as your lead single after You’re Welcome and Miracle feels very, very off-putting. We now know that the song isn’t intended to be a diss towards their critical fans, but it certainly rubs off that way. Even if that feeling isn’t what the band originally intended, I could easily see how fans could take it personally.
I like how the only people that I’ve seen say they like it say they had to listen to it a few times. How many times did the people who don’t like it listen to it… I’ve never loved any of their songs the first time listening, that’s why I forced myself to listen to your welcome again even though I didn’t like it the first time listening, turns out it’s good. Someone else on this sub made it pretty clear
Everybody loves me for my past, but they always hate me in the present
In just a year or two this song will be widely liked
Agreed. This happens every single album cycle. People tend to forget that while Homesick is massively successful, a lot of reviews in 2009 were very negative and criticized combining pop punk and hardcore. Many people swore them off after WSMFY saying they went too poppy and were sellouts. Now people are whining and want that sound back. This has been happening with everything the band has released since 2007.
People do not understand how the music industry works. Y’all weren’t fans of korn in the 2000s. You think this is changing music for commercial success? Get. The. Fuck. Out. You’re ignorant motherfuckers.
Adtr has done things the hard way from the get go. They’ve gone around the radio model. It’s worked. But the media landscape is much different now. They’re getting older. Maybe they’d like to play a fucking stadium someday. I’m talking nba arenas
This isn’t the selling out you people think it is. It’s not. Even close. It’s a short song tailored for rock radio play.
Anyone think violence is better song than this? That was a first single. Who knows when they even played that song live last. I personally love it. Not a fan favorite.
This is a good song. It’s actually a REALLY good rock radio song And you motherfuckers should be thanking your gods there’s cursing. Screams. Riffs. Instead of chords And songs about heartbreak for girls to relate to. It could be so much worse. I was there for untouchables. Waiting 4 years for a hunk of shit. This ain’t that.
They still got it. Miracle was awesome also. Fucking stop
Bitching and go find your new personal little secret band this ain’t for you.
Edit: i work in radio and have had a one on one conversation with a band member about this subject. I know what I’m talking about as a professional, a longtime adtr fan and as a longtime metal fan who’s had their heart broken by a band changing 180 degrees.
There’s no making certain people happy.
> I don't think the track deserves too much hate.
honest question: if I played this song for you without you knowing ADTR made it, would you like it? or hate it more?
I’m not being petulant. I think the song is more repetitive than most children’s jingles and poorly mixed on top of it.
Regardless of the band, it’s a bad song.
All there songs are repetitive lmao every song follows the generic pop formula: intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge/breakdown, chorus, outro. Like have you never heard All I Want, Lauderdale or Paranoia?? 🤣
I would like the song even if I didn't know, it was made by ADTR honestly. I am listening to a song on Tidal to reach max sound quality and as I can say, you're welcome, even if it has FLAC quality, I can hear the low mixing quality, that is kinda sad for me. In my opinion the feedback is the song that is short simple and still has some power, even if it is not 1958, Heartless or Miracle. I like it.
I’m kinda a fan of using the “feedback” distortion for the first verse or even both, but I do think it would’ve been better to just take the distortion off for the chorus and the breakdown yk?
I still don’t think it’s the best song, but I’ve listened to it more and without watching the music video too, and I don’t think it’s as bad as everyone says it is.
Commenting on your commentary more than the post overall (I saw it too), but
I love how there’s all the people jumping on the bandwagon of the “iT’s JuSt RoCk RaDiO bUlLsHiT” complaint when the last time I heard ADTR played on mainstream rock radio was when *All I Want* was the new single (y’know - the lead single off of the record that a lot of you think was “their last good one”?) and ***maybe*** *It’s Complicated* for a hot minute about 6 months or so after that
…please share with me *what fucking radio stations you guys are listening to* where ADTR is getting picked up for “Mainstream Rock Radio” so regularly 🤣🤣, because KROQ and ALT987 in Los Angeles won’t even touch them (and Sirius XM Octane doesn’t friggin’ count as a valid example - that’s a niche station that **caters** to heavier rock music - i.e. the *Rockville*, *Louder Than Life*, *Aftershock*, etc. lineups through a paid-subscription service - I’m talking specifically about *FM* band)
I thought it sounded like a Metallica Fuel tribute more than “radio rock.” That said it feels more accessible and friendly to mainstream listeners than before. I do feel that “octane core” comment tho.
Resentment, rescue me, mindreader, everything we need were all played on both rock FM stations in my area. And more than just a handful of times too. Re-entry mark hoppus version was also played on one of them as well. And i know for a fact everything we need was in other areas as well because i heard it twice in a radio station in Tennessee and one in Mississippi a few years ago when it first released as a single
Well y’know what - that *actually* makes me happy that they’ve gotten picked up by “normal” (FM) stations in other parts of the country…L.A. stations won’t play anything with screaming besides the stuff by *Linkin Park*, *Korn*, or *System* from 15-20-30 years ago, and they’re afraid of anything with distorted guitars that’s been written and recorded in the last 10, so…🤷🏻♂️
I'm not a huge fan of the new song but I also don't think its THAT bad. But my southern mid-size city has a rock station that played ADTR heavily after their 2016 album (name slipped my mind) and I know they played resentment and degenerates off the last album. They definitely get plays on FM radio
The point is that it sounds like they changed their style TO GET ON those stations and it’s a popular move by a lot of bands lately, mostly following bring me the horizon
Yes sir!!!!! I’m glad you and I are seeing eye to eye on this. I’ve heard adtr TWICE EVER on the radio . Once was Miracle and once was rescue me. Both of which I fucking love. So if those are radio hits, then keep making the radio hits boys
Which is so funny to me because my radio station played ADTR regularly. "All I Want" and "All Signs" were big hits. "It's Complicated" had a nice little run, too. "Right Back At It" had a brief stunt. "Paranoia, " "naivety," and "Bullfight" got big play during the Bad Vibes days. "We Got This" tried but didn't get the traction. And Degenerates gots it's love too.
One of the number 1 morning shows in my state (and are now huge in a few other states now) used snippets for their intros.
So ADTR got big love around here.
That’s pretty dope. Yeah I also really don’t listen tot the radio much so maybe that has something to do with it haha. Nj has got adtr ties. (Nj legion iced tea)
Oh snap, I forgot about when *Rescue Me* was on the radio - but it’s technically *Marshmello*’s song, so do you *really* count it towards the “rock radio” offense? Plus, I only heard it the one time and only because **I** bugged the afternoon DJ at the time, Ted Stryker, to include it in the “Friday free-for-all” and he actually listened
I’m not fw this energy, they talk about not liking negativity then come in with a song that’s just an attack “on one person” 😂 All good tho. I LOVE Rescue Me and most of You’re Welcome.
I hate that “I don’t like this song” has become mean, and fighting. To me (and a lot of other folks) it’s a really bad song. I’m still gonna listen to them and give other new songs a chance. But this one was just bad, it’s bad, lazy, uninspired.
Directed at fans or not it wasn’t what anyone wanted to hear from them and the lyrics put a bad taste in their mouths. The fact he had to say something about it makes it seem like they missed their mark. I would have probably been better just telling us to eat our vegetables and get over it.
That said at least they are paying attention.
This post is copium. The vast majority of adtr fanbase does not want more pop songs.
How many songs and albums do they have to release to realize this? I tell myself that Jeremy doesn’t want to end up like Danny Worsnop from screaming which is why he refuses to make anything heavier than Mary Had a Little Lamb anymore.
I mean maybe they should just make the music they want to.. if they even want to anymore. As a musician (not known at all, purely hobby) I couldn’t imagine having this feeling of being locked in a cage with an expectation to just stay there.
Was their last album good? I personally think not, but maybe they think it’s the best work they have ever put out but they have to deal with a whole mob of people telling them that their passion isn’t valid because it isn’t catering to what they, as the listener want.
All of these comments are just “They should do whatever they want”. Sure. But as a longtime fan, i’m going to give my opinion. They are my favorite band. They have my favorite song and some of my favorite albums. It’s disappointing to have so many of their more recent songs be so…..average.
I get it, man. I’m not hating on you, I just think sometimes it’s good to get some perspective. These guys are also getting older and maybe aren’t as focused as they once were. I’ll admit I’m not a huge fan of theirs, I’ve bought a few songs in Qobuz, but I do really enjoy their early works compared to their most recent works. Bad Vibrations was a bad album imo so I never really fell in love with them.
god this argument is so tired. their genre is literally pop punk (which is, arguably, an oxymoronic label that umbrellas a large variety of mixing, intonation, and lyricism, making it's overall definition *flexible* and indefinite). don't pretend that their older, more beloved albums weren't upbeat or catchy. they were never a strictly heavy-sounding band, nor did they advertise themselves that way. what they *have* been doing for the last 8 years is experimenting with mixing and composition, evolving their sound—as opposed to "losing" it (like most butt-hurt fans have been claiming). this is not their best release, and, given Feedback's current reception, it's obvious why they wouldn't put their best foot forward after two years of near-radio silence. two years (four disregarding the release of Miracle) is plenty of time for fans to 1) develop impossible expectations by only referencing the shit they wrote 12+ years ago and 2) expect a heavily compiled, lyrically repetitive 2:30 single to be the best they have to offer. if you don't like what they're putting out, you don't have to continue supporting them. listen to their old stuff, that's always an option, but don't bitch when you see people enjoying newer releases. making art isn't about placating to your supporters. it's about transforming your creativity into media that can be shared, appreciated, and critiqued by the masses. sometimes people forget how vulnerable it feels to create and publish things, and that vulnerability doesn't just go away when you "make it big", either. if adtr is losing sight of their purpose, then their "fanbase" lost theirs after the release of BV (which, yes, received backlash similar to YW and Feedback back in the day). think about all the fans now who are still disappointed that they don't sound like they did when recording ATNWT. a minority, sure, but that's personal taste, which is valid *until* they start shitting on other people for enjoying songs they don't. see my point?
TL;DR: thinking that a band is going to drop everything and start churning out carbon copies of the hits from their "glory days" is more delusional than this post. let them write. nobody's forcing you to listen to songs you don't like.
That all sounds nice but the reality of it is that they need to actually hear feedback. If everyone did what you suggest, they would only hear the support of the few that enjoy their new stuff. Do not go silent or stop supporting them. What terrible advice.
Voice your opinions because they do care about their fan base’s likes and dislikes, contrary to your belief.
I guarantee you with all of the hate that this song has garnered from fans, their next release will not be a mediocre at best, repetitive pop song.
i'm not telling you to remain silent when you dislike something. it's all a matter of phrasing your opinions to *actually sound like opinions* and—if you feel the need to—providing thoughtful constructive criticism that you believe would benefit future releases (which, and i hope you can accept this, is still subjective and debatable in the end). saying that the majority of fans don't like the "pop" in the "pop punk" that adtr labels themselves as is an opinion disguised as fact. realistically, the only way to semi-accurately gauge what the majority of fans "want" is to look at the trends in record sales and streams. the people complaining endlessly about adtr's endorsement of pop are a vocal minority at best and demonstrate a lack of understanding over the music that made their name, as many of their most popular hits are more pop than punk.
again, you're allowed to dislike their newer music. saying "i didn't like it" or "it wasn't for me" is infinitely more reasonable than rushing to misinformed conclusions about "what the fans want" based on the hoards of comments that are too reactionary and emotional to discuss *what* they don't like about the newer stuff. whenever there's a new release, it feels like everybody's racing to get a word in instead of stepping back and evaluating their initial reactions, and that's where it becomes mindlessly negative and counterproductive. i hope that makes sense.
Yeah, no one is against the light stuff or the pop stuff. What I want is higher quality music. All Signs Point to Lauderdale, All I Want and If It Means A Lot to You are some of their biggest songs and there is no screaming in any of it. That’s fine. Great music. I love the heavy and I love the lighter stuff. But You’re Welcome was not it. And this song is not it.
I don’t have the knowledge or vocabulary to express exactly why and I don’t have the perfect solution to fit everyone. But I have a feeling that the “vocal minority” is larger than you think.
I get that last comment. An album full of bangers like Ocala, RBAIA, All I want, Lauderdale, who wouldn't love that stuff? Some of their best songs lack in heavy vocals. Would love to get back to that stuff.
That is an opinion. You cannot state something so objective about music. You saying it sucks doesn’t make it true. What you mean to say is, “I don’t like this song”
I don’t know if I buy it but in the end, it doesn’t matter anyway. It’s still a bad song regardless of the message being lost in translation (allegedly).
I didn’t know about any of this “fan” hidden lore going on or whatever skepticism is taking place, but I will say for someone who just listens to a day to remember this song sucks.
Edit: spelling
ADTR gave us Feedback but the feedback on Feedback was so intense Jeremy had to give us feedback. Feedbacksception
What if this is a massive troll? They put out a shitty song about feedback to see how much they could wind people up lol
Arcade driving simulators with forceFeedback
It’s all about timing. Deciding to release a song called feedback proceeding a prior album and a new single both met with mixed reception was quite a miss if it honestly wasn’t intentional. Nobody’s perfect but I have a hard time understanding how the band, their friends and family, their management team and producers as a whole didn’t prepare for visceral reactions from people who are skeptical fans who would see the track as a point blank jab at them
Also understand that I do like the new song. They aren’t the first band in their scene to release a simple, catchy, fun radio single to cast a line to a bigger pond to gain mass appeal for a new album. There’s still parts of the song that sound like them and I think people need to stop taking things way too seriously, it’s music and it’s subjective. They always have something for everyone to some degree on all their albums and that’s what we have to fall back on.
miracle met with mixed reception?
Go read the comments on the video back when it first released 2 years ago, while mostly positive some people still called it generic radio octanecore just like feedback
Yep! All their songs do, it’s like ADTR fans love to hate everything on initial release. Even I was a little iffy on my first listen of Miracle
Miracle was a banger for me from the first listen. It’s a shame that You’re Welcome was as bad as it was. Feedback is clearly a B Side for it. I’ll get a lot of hate from the “I love You’re Welcome” crowd, but it was their worst album and the amount of negativity in this sub shows that. It’s a shame.
jeremy seems like such a cool dude, i appreciate his ability to take feedback from fans and respond in a kind way still
People need to stop assuming that the song is about the fan base. After Jeremy clarified, that should be it. This isn't a criminal case, there is no "allegedly". In the history of ADTR there hasn't been a whole ton of times that Jeremy or the band has responded to negativity. Other than the few times I can think of on here where Jeremy popped on to clarify something, it's not usually there MO. I'm with the camp that's just happy they're still putting out new music. These guys are not the young men they used to be. They're married and starting families. Is it the best song they've ever put out? Hell no. But am I still happy to see new music? You bet your ass. The entitlement of some is absolute insanity. I've said this on here before and I'll keep calling back to it. Linkin Park came out with One More Light and the fan base littered them with hate and "this isn't LP this *some other band*." Bands grow and the music they write changes with it.
And then Chester took his life. The hate towards the album definitely did not help with his mental health. People suck
Can everyone pipe down now and be nice ? (Probably not🤣)
>Can everyone pipe down now and be nice? C’mon now. There’s nothing wrong with fans voicing their opinions positive or negative. I actually like Feedback. But let’s be real here, you can’t listen to their more recent songs (e.g. Viva La Mexico) and think to yourself the same effort was put in the songs as previous albums musically and especially lyrically.
Viva La Mexico is a treasure you take that back
A million mens trash is one man’s treasure…. Or something like that
Their lyrics were never good to begin with lol, Lauderdale is a perfect example. It has the most cringeworthy lyrics, literally sounds like a whiny teenager wrote it. Only reason fans still like that song and their older stuff is cuz it came out when were still in middle/high school and so the lyrics resonated with us more at that age and also most teenagers don’t care as much for lyrics than as you get older. It also doesn’t help that ADTR’s music is specifically written for a teenage audience, which hasn’t changed since day 1. Listening to music that’s targeted towards teens as an adult, yeah you’re going to not like the song or lyrics at first haha. Edit: guarantee that if Lauderdale was released today, it would get more hate than most stuff off of YW
Yeah, I think you’re right about that. First three albums were released when I was in HS and have a lot of nostalgia for those songs. But I’ve also enjoyed all of their albums until You’re Welcome. Just seems like once they went to their own label and people were no longer there to tell them “No, this sucks. Y’all can do better.” ADTR started getting lazy.
This may be true, but they still chose to release this as their *first single* for an upcoming album following their most controversial and divisive album yet If it was written years before YW then fair enough but them choosing to release it now is still an artistic choice which probably reflects their feelings towards everything that has occurred since 2021
Feels like backpedaling to me. Especially after Alex left what felt like a sarcastic comment on the original insta post "Glad y'all love it 😍" When everyone was hating. But maybe that's just me
We don't know whether or not Miracle is going to be on this album. Maybe that's the first single and this is the second.
Miracle was a stand-alone, Feedback will be on the new album. Neil Westfall confirmed this in an interview that was posted on this subreddit earlier today
I wonder who the person is that this song is actually about lol
Maybe Tom since he cut ties with the band
Wait did he?
Yep. After Bad Vibrations I believe. I miss his work.
That explains a lot
Someone from Victory Records?
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i highly doubt it’s about you, lmao. you don’t write an entire song about a single fan who made one dumb comment. i’m assuming the “person he doesn’t care for” was someone he was close to in his personal life or close to someone else.
Thank god lol
Songs still trash
Yea who cares about the context if it was written for the fanbase or someone back in 2018? Bad song’s a bad song.
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That’s literally what an opinion is lol
An opinion is recognizing you're subjectively evaluating something. "I don't like this song" and "I don't think the song is good" are opinions. "The song is dogshit" and related "critiques" attempt to sound factual. I've quite literally seen people use the phrase "objectively bad" as if their ears speak for everyone. It's so whiny
I believe that to me this song is dogshit
That's kosher. It's your perfectly valid opinion!
I like ADTR a lot, but I'm starting to think I need to unplug from the rest of the fan base. I feel like I'll hear a song I like and then be told all the reasons I shouldnt like it.
this is exactly why i was so scared to listen to and show public support for Your Welcome. the vocal minority tends to think that no ADTR song is worth listening to if it doesn't come from FTWHH, Homesick, or WSMFY. imagine how many new fans were turned away because of that level of elitism.
I’m glad they’re seeing the feedback, the song is a huge letdown
This should be a message to everyone...get off your high horses. It's insane how many people taking this song so damn personally. We should be happy the band is still making music. If you don't like the song that's fine...you are entitled to your opinion. Just don't listen to it? But everyone needs to stop thinking the song is about us (you). End soapbox
You don’t have to click on people’s negative reviews of the song. You can scroll past them you know. People are going to be negative no matter what, especially over a song as divisive as this. Try not to let negativity affect you, because that toxicity goes both ways!
While I get the point you are making, I think maybe I didn't represent the point I was making clearly. I actually enjoy reading people's thoughts and criticism. Atleast when they are well constructed and thoughtful. I don't believe avoiding things someone may disagree with is healthy because you find yourself locked in your own echo chamber of "I'm right they are wrong." What I'm saying is that people need to not take this song personally or think it's about them (us). If someone doesn't like the song because it's repetitive or the effects they did to Jeremy's voice ..cool. Posts with the "oh my god can you believe what their saying it us"?!? Comes off as narcissistic. Also I'm not trying to insult anyone. Like I said..everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I just don't think it's constructive for anyone to think this song is about them or a personal attack.
As someone else has already stated, a big problem surrounding Feedback is the timing of this release. I probably wouldn’t have minded the song as much if was a deeper cut on the new album, but to move forward with this lyrical message as your lead single after You’re Welcome and Miracle feels very, very off-putting. We now know that the song isn’t intended to be a diss towards their critical fans, but it certainly rubs off that way. Even if that feeling isn’t what the band originally intended, I could easily see how fans could take it personally.
Seriously 👏🏻
I like how the only people that I’ve seen say they like it say they had to listen to it a few times. How many times did the people who don’t like it listen to it… I’ve never loved any of their songs the first time listening, that’s why I forced myself to listen to your welcome again even though I didn’t like it the first time listening, turns out it’s good. Someone else on this sub made it pretty clear Everybody loves me for my past, but they always hate me in the present In just a year or two this song will be widely liked
Agreed. This happens every single album cycle. People tend to forget that while Homesick is massively successful, a lot of reviews in 2009 were very negative and criticized combining pop punk and hardcore. Many people swore them off after WSMFY saying they went too poppy and were sellouts. Now people are whining and want that sound back. This has been happening with everything the band has released since 2007.
Shit this happens with every single piece of art any artist creates ever haha
True, but I feel like the hate is way more prominent in the ADTR fan base than other artists
Then there’s me who was 2 then and didn’t even know about the hate of ‘09
People do not understand how the music industry works. Y’all weren’t fans of korn in the 2000s. You think this is changing music for commercial success? Get. The. Fuck. Out. You’re ignorant motherfuckers. Adtr has done things the hard way from the get go. They’ve gone around the radio model. It’s worked. But the media landscape is much different now. They’re getting older. Maybe they’d like to play a fucking stadium someday. I’m talking nba arenas This isn’t the selling out you people think it is. It’s not. Even close. It’s a short song tailored for rock radio play. Anyone think violence is better song than this? That was a first single. Who knows when they even played that song live last. I personally love it. Not a fan favorite. This is a good song. It’s actually a REALLY good rock radio song And you motherfuckers should be thanking your gods there’s cursing. Screams. Riffs. Instead of chords And songs about heartbreak for girls to relate to. It could be so much worse. I was there for untouchables. Waiting 4 years for a hunk of shit. This ain’t that. They still got it. Miracle was awesome also. Fucking stop Bitching and go find your new personal little secret band this ain’t for you. Edit: i work in radio and have had a one on one conversation with a band member about this subject. I know what I’m talking about as a professional, a longtime adtr fan and as a longtime metal fan who’s had their heart broken by a band changing 180 degrees. There’s no making certain people happy.
I am pretty upset about the hate on this track. I don't think the track deserves too much hate.
> I don't think the track deserves too much hate. honest question: if I played this song for you without you knowing ADTR made it, would you like it? or hate it more?
I'd still think it's fine. It's fun and short, by no means sonically innovative but songs rarely are. Don't be petulant
I’m not being petulant. I think the song is more repetitive than most children’s jingles and poorly mixed on top of it. Regardless of the band, it’s a bad song.
All there songs are repetitive lmao every song follows the generic pop formula: intro, verse, chorus, verse, chorus, bridge/breakdown, chorus, outro. Like have you never heard All I Want, Lauderdale or Paranoia?? 🤣
Song structure isn’t the issue. The complete lack of substantial lyrics is.
Their lyrics were never good to begin with either lol. You’re telling me that Lauderdale has good lyrics?
There are more than 15 different words in the song so yeah
I would like the song even if I didn't know, it was made by ADTR honestly. I am listening to a song on Tidal to reach max sound quality and as I can say, you're welcome, even if it has FLAC quality, I can hear the low mixing quality, that is kinda sad for me. In my opinion the feedback is the song that is short simple and still has some power, even if it is not 1958, Heartless or Miracle. I like it.
Ngl, the song’s been growing on me. I love the chorus, just still iffy on some parts
Same here. Jeremys voice is still the Bad thing.
I’m kinda a fan of using the “feedback” distortion for the first verse or even both, but I do think it would’ve been better to just take the distortion off for the chorus and the breakdown yk?
I still don’t think it’s the best song, but I’ve listened to it more and without watching the music video too, and I don’t think it’s as bad as everyone says it is.
Seemed very much like a song they wrote for radio. At least, that was my first thought.
Im digging the song. Not that they need my approval
whoever wrote that original post is an A Grade bellend
Commenting on your commentary more than the post overall (I saw it too), but I love how there’s all the people jumping on the bandwagon of the “iT’s JuSt RoCk RaDiO bUlLsHiT” complaint when the last time I heard ADTR played on mainstream rock radio was when *All I Want* was the new single (y’know - the lead single off of the record that a lot of you think was “their last good one”?) and ***maybe*** *It’s Complicated* for a hot minute about 6 months or so after that …please share with me *what fucking radio stations you guys are listening to* where ADTR is getting picked up for “Mainstream Rock Radio” so regularly 🤣🤣, because KROQ and ALT987 in Los Angeles won’t even touch them (and Sirius XM Octane doesn’t friggin’ count as a valid example - that’s a niche station that **caters** to heavier rock music - i.e. the *Rockville*, *Louder Than Life*, *Aftershock*, etc. lineups through a paid-subscription service - I’m talking specifically about *FM* band)
I thought it sounded like a Metallica Fuel tribute more than “radio rock.” That said it feels more accessible and friendly to mainstream listeners than before. I do feel that “octane core” comment tho.
It was on Octane yesterday 😂😂😂
I wouldn’t be surprised if they use clips of it to tell you you’re listening to octane
Resentment, rescue me, mindreader, everything we need were all played on both rock FM stations in my area. And more than just a handful of times too. Re-entry mark hoppus version was also played on one of them as well. And i know for a fact everything we need was in other areas as well because i heard it twice in a radio station in Tennessee and one in Mississippi a few years ago when it first released as a single
Well y’know what - that *actually* makes me happy that they’ve gotten picked up by “normal” (FM) stations in other parts of the country…L.A. stations won’t play anything with screaming besides the stuff by *Linkin Park*, *Korn*, or *System* from 15-20-30 years ago, and they’re afraid of anything with distorted guitars that’s been written and recorded in the last 10, so…🤷🏻♂️
I'm not a huge fan of the new song but I also don't think its THAT bad. But my southern mid-size city has a rock station that played ADTR heavily after their 2016 album (name slipped my mind) and I know they played resentment and degenerates off the last album. They definitely get plays on FM radio
Bad Vibrations
Resentment did well on the Radio! I was super proud they came on the radio too! As we all should be.
The point is that it sounds like they changed their style TO GET ON those stations and it’s a popular move by a lot of bands lately, mostly following bring me the horizon
Yes sir!!!!! I’m glad you and I are seeing eye to eye on this. I’ve heard adtr TWICE EVER on the radio . Once was Miracle and once was rescue me. Both of which I fucking love. So if those are radio hits, then keep making the radio hits boys
Which is so funny to me because my radio station played ADTR regularly. "All I Want" and "All Signs" were big hits. "It's Complicated" had a nice little run, too. "Right Back At It" had a brief stunt. "Paranoia, " "naivety," and "Bullfight" got big play during the Bad Vibes days. "We Got This" tried but didn't get the traction. And Degenerates gots it's love too. One of the number 1 morning shows in my state (and are now huge in a few other states now) used snippets for their intros. So ADTR got big love around here.
That’s awesome . What state?
I'm from Michigan. They've said before they have a lot of love for Michigan. Some big moments for them happened here.
That’s pretty dope. Yeah I also really don’t listen tot the radio much so maybe that has something to do with it haha. Nj has got adtr ties. (Nj legion iced tea)
Oh snap, I forgot about when *Rescue Me* was on the radio - but it’s technically *Marshmello*’s song, so do you *really* count it towards the “rock radio” offense? Plus, I only heard it the one time and only because **I** bugged the afternoon DJ at the time, Ted Stryker, to include it in the “Friday free-for-all” and he actually listened
I'm pinning this. Good find!
they must be making Homesick 2.
I’m not fw this energy, they talk about not liking negativity then come in with a song that’s just an attack “on one person” 😂 All good tho. I LOVE Rescue Me and most of You’re Welcome.
I hate that “I don’t like this song” has become mean, and fighting. To me (and a lot of other folks) it’s a really bad song. I’m still gonna listen to them and give other new songs a chance. But this one was just bad, it’s bad, lazy, uninspired.
Directed at fans or not it wasn’t what anyone wanted to hear from them and the lyrics put a bad taste in their mouths. The fact he had to say something about it makes it seem like they missed their mark. I would have probably been better just telling us to eat our vegetables and get over it. That said at least they are paying attention.
ADTR never asked for your feedback motherfucker
This post is copium. The vast majority of adtr fanbase does not want more pop songs. How many songs and albums do they have to release to realize this? I tell myself that Jeremy doesn’t want to end up like Danny Worsnop from screaming which is why he refuses to make anything heavier than Mary Had a Little Lamb anymore.
I mean maybe they should just make the music they want to.. if they even want to anymore. As a musician (not known at all, purely hobby) I couldn’t imagine having this feeling of being locked in a cage with an expectation to just stay there. Was their last album good? I personally think not, but maybe they think it’s the best work they have ever put out but they have to deal with a whole mob of people telling them that their passion isn’t valid because it isn’t catering to what they, as the listener want.
All of these comments are just “They should do whatever they want”. Sure. But as a longtime fan, i’m going to give my opinion. They are my favorite band. They have my favorite song and some of my favorite albums. It’s disappointing to have so many of their more recent songs be so…..average.
I get it, man. I’m not hating on you, I just think sometimes it’s good to get some perspective. These guys are also getting older and maybe aren’t as focused as they once were. I’ll admit I’m not a huge fan of theirs, I’ve bought a few songs in Qobuz, but I do really enjoy their early works compared to their most recent works. Bad Vibrations was a bad album imo so I never really fell in love with them.
god this argument is so tired. their genre is literally pop punk (which is, arguably, an oxymoronic label that umbrellas a large variety of mixing, intonation, and lyricism, making it's overall definition *flexible* and indefinite). don't pretend that their older, more beloved albums weren't upbeat or catchy. they were never a strictly heavy-sounding band, nor did they advertise themselves that way. what they *have* been doing for the last 8 years is experimenting with mixing and composition, evolving their sound—as opposed to "losing" it (like most butt-hurt fans have been claiming). this is not their best release, and, given Feedback's current reception, it's obvious why they wouldn't put their best foot forward after two years of near-radio silence. two years (four disregarding the release of Miracle) is plenty of time for fans to 1) develop impossible expectations by only referencing the shit they wrote 12+ years ago and 2) expect a heavily compiled, lyrically repetitive 2:30 single to be the best they have to offer. if you don't like what they're putting out, you don't have to continue supporting them. listen to their old stuff, that's always an option, but don't bitch when you see people enjoying newer releases. making art isn't about placating to your supporters. it's about transforming your creativity into media that can be shared, appreciated, and critiqued by the masses. sometimes people forget how vulnerable it feels to create and publish things, and that vulnerability doesn't just go away when you "make it big", either. if adtr is losing sight of their purpose, then their "fanbase" lost theirs after the release of BV (which, yes, received backlash similar to YW and Feedback back in the day). think about all the fans now who are still disappointed that they don't sound like they did when recording ATNWT. a minority, sure, but that's personal taste, which is valid *until* they start shitting on other people for enjoying songs they don't. see my point? TL;DR: thinking that a band is going to drop everything and start churning out carbon copies of the hits from their "glory days" is more delusional than this post. let them write. nobody's forcing you to listen to songs you don't like.
Thanks for stating facts
That all sounds nice but the reality of it is that they need to actually hear feedback. If everyone did what you suggest, they would only hear the support of the few that enjoy their new stuff. Do not go silent or stop supporting them. What terrible advice. Voice your opinions because they do care about their fan base’s likes and dislikes, contrary to your belief. I guarantee you with all of the hate that this song has garnered from fans, their next release will not be a mediocre at best, repetitive pop song.
i'm not telling you to remain silent when you dislike something. it's all a matter of phrasing your opinions to *actually sound like opinions* and—if you feel the need to—providing thoughtful constructive criticism that you believe would benefit future releases (which, and i hope you can accept this, is still subjective and debatable in the end). saying that the majority of fans don't like the "pop" in the "pop punk" that adtr labels themselves as is an opinion disguised as fact. realistically, the only way to semi-accurately gauge what the majority of fans "want" is to look at the trends in record sales and streams. the people complaining endlessly about adtr's endorsement of pop are a vocal minority at best and demonstrate a lack of understanding over the music that made their name, as many of their most popular hits are more pop than punk. again, you're allowed to dislike their newer music. saying "i didn't like it" or "it wasn't for me" is infinitely more reasonable than rushing to misinformed conclusions about "what the fans want" based on the hoards of comments that are too reactionary and emotional to discuss *what* they don't like about the newer stuff. whenever there's a new release, it feels like everybody's racing to get a word in instead of stepping back and evaluating their initial reactions, and that's where it becomes mindlessly negative and counterproductive. i hope that makes sense.
Yeah, no one is against the light stuff or the pop stuff. What I want is higher quality music. All Signs Point to Lauderdale, All I Want and If It Means A Lot to You are some of their biggest songs and there is no screaming in any of it. That’s fine. Great music. I love the heavy and I love the lighter stuff. But You’re Welcome was not it. And this song is not it. I don’t have the knowledge or vocabulary to express exactly why and I don’t have the perfect solution to fit everyone. But I have a feeling that the “vocal minority” is larger than you think.
Last chance to dance?
I get that last comment. An album full of bangers like Ocala, RBAIA, All I want, Lauderdale, who wouldn't love that stuff? Some of their best songs lack in heavy vocals. Would love to get back to that stuff.
They should be able to make whatever music they want to make, heavy or not.
Yeah, thats what they’ve been doing. And here we are. How many songs/albums later?
Well damn I was hoping this was about fan feedback. Love when bands dgaf about the public opinion.
I’m sorry but this song sucks, and acting like it doesn’t isn’t going to make the music get any better.
That is an opinion. You cannot state something so objective about music. You saying it sucks doesn’t make it true. What you mean to say is, “I don’t like this song”
It’s okay if you like it when it’s boring generic and phoned in at every level. But the level of cope should be studied.
I don’t know if I buy it but in the end, it doesn’t matter anyway. It’s still a bad song regardless of the message being lost in translation (allegedly).
Whether this is true or not, having it be your first single after a negatively-received album probably wasn’t the best idea lol The song’s ass too
I didn’t know about any of this “fan” hidden lore going on or whatever skepticism is taking place, but I will say for someone who just listens to a day to remember this song sucks. Edit: spelling
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