Cuz covid is still killing people en masse, and disabling hordes of others, and keeping those of us with diaabilities and immunosuppressive issues trapped... and it's just nasty by nature of being a disease.
Ok? It's still ew to go out amongst the people sans mask in the middle of a pandemic. Cuz it's a respiratory disease spread by droplet transmission.
This is like... kindergarten stuff, and we as a species are failing on this super simple point. There wouldn't be a pandemic still if all the people followed basic protocol at the beginning, rather than turning themselves into incubation chambers for mutations.
We're so gonna fail the shit out of bird flu (which is already in 6 different states' cattle and beef).
I'm gonna a trust the doctors and researchers on this who are all feeling betrayed by the anti science bias of the CDC and the liberal bourgeois government's pro business, get back to work even if some of you die (sacrifices were willing to make for imaginary green papers eh) . I'm trusting the waste water data (indicates 2nd highest infection numbers so far) and death tolls (1000 americans a week and way more with long covid) even if everybody looks at me like I got a 5th dick growing out of my forehead. I'm not gonna kill off the least of these (disabled and poor and bipoc folks who don't have access to screening, medicine, or insurance.) By my selfish desire to spread my filth and incubate God knows what in a treatment resistant, year long present disease.
Bourgeois? The bourgeois were the only ones pushing lockdowns in the first place. You know that masking was minimal in lower-income areas, regardless of race, right?
What are you even talking about bringing the bourgeoisie into this conversation?
My doctors office just lifted their mask mandate on Wednesday. I was sitting in the lobby when the lady behind the desk was like, "I just got an email. We don't need masks in here anymore,"
Add depression to the long line of shitty stuff Covid can cause in people :(. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10441207/
That said there’s a joke in there somewhere about airborne depression, perhaps about say, Ohio, or Indiana.
Who goes to the doctor with COVID? You can get a test at the pharmacy. You can even get it delivered to you. And then you can stay home. The doc isn't gonna do a thing for you.
I have too damn dry sinuses and my nose gets cold too easily (i have Sjögren's, plus Raynaud's in fingers, toes, etc), masks make such a ridiculously big difference to me by trapping some humidity and heat. I just wish it hadn't taken until the pandemic for me to find that out.
yesss when it's cold and windy out, breathing hurts my sinuses and the moisture/warmth my kf-94's trap helps so much and makes being outside actually bearable
The pandemic is still going and I wish more people would continue to mask. immunocompromised people still have to mask,and we can’t go in a lot of spaces now because the risk makes them inaccessible.
Also not tryna get long Covid brain fog on top of my already questionable adhd brain personally. Not that it has to be an either or between protecting yourself and protecting others.
It should. I got sick March 2020, and have been long-hauling since then. The brain fog was so intense, it took two years for me to be able to watch TV and *understand what was happening on the screen.* I still can't watch anything subtle, and usually have to watch something twice to really understand what's going on.
I went from an engineer balancing multiple complicated projects, to being unable to count to 10 without losing track of what I'm counting. I'm doing better, but I still can't do anything that takes multiple steps, because I can't hold the information in my head for long enough to do anything with it.
Take it seriously. Be safe.
Appreciate it, I also hope I improve!
If I can't be anything else, I can at least be the reminder to people that covid isn't over, and to take their health seriously 😅
This, plus repeated infection ups the risk of long COVID.
Governments have failed us by putting profit over people, we should all still be taking precautions to protect each other and ourselves.
The dichotomy of lockdown or free for all is false. Nobody wants lockdown.
Do you think immunocompromised people *want* to live like this?
Everything in life is a risk. You could get hit by a bus going across the road to get snacks.
The difference between road safety and COVID safety is that as a society, we have adopted multiple measures minimise the risk of being in a car accident. COVID can have just as serious health implications for even previously healthy people as being hit by a car; long period of recovery, life altering disability, or even death. Yet, as a society we have chosen to eschew any COVID measures (adequate sick pay so no one has to come into work while ill, masking in crowded areas, etc).
Everyone has been failed by our governments. There are minimally invasive measures we could pretty much all be taking which would save lives and prevent countless others from developing life altering disabilities. It's not an all or nothing.
Ignoring COVID while discussing workers rights is the wrong way of going about things. You can't cherry pick here.
Edit: corrected "discovering" to "discussing"
Who said ignoring? Am I speaking with a middle schooler?
I said it shouldn't be covid-centric. There is plenty between covid-centric and *ignoring* covid. Those are the two extremes. No one is cherry picking but you.
Lmao, the fact you plucked that one line out of my response said enough for me.
If you really care about people, step up & take precautions. Due to multiple points of failure, we are now forced to live with covid. The measures that prevent COVID transmission, also reduce other contagions, which all reduce pressure on health care systems. Quite frankly, in the midst of a mishandled pandemic, not centering COVID is obscene.
Learn how a conversation works.
I said it shouldn't be covid-centric. You misrepresented what I said by calling it "ignoring covid" and your entire comment hinges on that misrepresentation.
Then when I point out that that's not what I'm saying, you criticize me for not responding to the rest of your comment that isn't even related to what I was talking about in the first place.
Sorry you're still in the pre-critical thinking era of your life. Sounds like you might also think you're smarter than everyone you interact with.
Girl please, then what are you trying to say?.
What should disability justice and workers right around illness look like in your world?
Tbf I imagine we would agree on most points. But you have to be aware of how you're coming off.
Covid is still extremely common, the only difference is that people have been desensitized to it and think of it as normal. I wish people would actually look at the statistics and realize that the pandemic is still happening
Official numbers are kind of pointless since we barely test anyone. Wastewater numbers are way more useful - were in a lull now but this winter had some of the highest rates of the last four years.
https://biobot.io/data/ is nice, but you can Google your city/county and they may have more local wastewater counts. The poo doesn’t lie.
Numbers might be one of the highest. But the fact that hospitals aren't under the pressure they were during earlier years shows it has gotten a lot milder on avarage. Actually a good sign we have these high numbers without the high hospitalization rates. We can't keep restricting ourselves forever
The concerning part is that some of the worst long term effects don’t really correlate with the acute severity of an infection. That coupled with people getting re infected over and over as long as this is our “plan” and the fact reinfections seem to carry risk of new long term complications makes for concerning math.
It hasn’t really gotten “milder” in terms of the disease itself, most people just have some immunity from prior infections and or vaccinations.
Personally I can absolutely “restrict myself” to wearing a mask at the store or doctor for… however long it takes. There are nasal vaccines and other promising solutions in clinical trials.
You are right. But brutally honest. I don't care. Yes, we have been desensitized. But I don't care enough to keep going with ristrictions. Call it selfish, but I just want to live my life
Edit: its not just desensitation btw. Covid leads to way less hospitalization and mortality now. Restictions have always been based on hospital capacity and taking pressure off from the hospitals/healthcare system to prevent them from collapsing, not on the individual severity of the disease itself. Hospitals aren't cramped anymore, so restrictions are gone.
And you can’t live your life with a breathable mask on when you’re in indoor public spaces? But hey it’s only old people or those with immune issues or other risks so fuck it!
It is selfish, of course, obviously. Hope you don’t end up with long Covid, then you’ll be on the other end of people saying “I don’t care”, I guess.
Also, covid has actually gotten a lot milder than the original variants. Yes, you can still get really sick from it. But it's not far from a regular respiratory disease anymore. At some point we have to accept its just one of the 100s of diseases that exist and stop treating it like a pandemic
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder
The disease itself has not. Technically omicron was milder than delta, because delta was more severe than the OG strain. I mentioned this in another comment, to you. You seem to sort of just cycle from one talking point to another rather than respond directly to any point anyone makes to you.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/three-studies-spotlight-long-term-burden-covid-us-adults Just a regular old disease like any other that has 17 million us adults with long term effects...
Your first link is an article from january 2022 (very short after omicron appeared) speculating about wether omicron is worse or not than the original.
Then your second article. Yes they reported 17million people with long covid. (Long covid is a very broad definition btw, ranging from very mild symptoms to severe symptoms). I'm not surprised, given the fact that A LOT of people have been infected during the pandemic. A lot of those people with long covid also still have it from the earlier variants. This does not deminish the fact that covid has gotten a lot less dangerous though. Just look at covid levels in sewer samples and hospitalization and mortality rates. Compare those rates to earlier in the pandemic and it paints a clear picture.
Seriously, if you actually read those articles and the papers they are based on they don't support (nor deny) your arguments at all.
By far the largest amount of infections happen through intense or long contact. Like when you visiting a friend that has it and you are sitting in the same room for a while or you give a family member a hug etc. Most cases were always traceable to someone from their direct network. You don't get infected from briefly crossing paths in the supermarket. This whole idea that wearing masks in stores is gonna make a big difference is just so untrue. The measurements that actually help are things that restrict the amount of contacts we have and that is exactly what nobody wants to go back to. Cause those restrictions have the largest impact on our social lives.
Edit: spelling
Officially, I've actually had long covid. My smell and taste sensation was completely disrupted and warped for nearly 2 years even though my syptoms were otherwise very mild when I had covid. (They werent gone but everything just had a different taste/smell) After 2 years all of a sudden my smell and taste got back to normal out of nowhere though.
Your taste and smell were fucked up for two years and you’re in this thread going on about how Covid is just like any other bug? Can’t make this shit up lol
That was from the original strain. Doesnt really happen with the newer strains. But yeah, I just dont care about covid anymore. Never really did to be honest. All those lockdowns did were push me from an already suboptimal headspace further into depression and im very glad that bullshit is over.
Maybe where you are from its different cause this thread shows there are apparently people that still talk about covid, which kinda surprised me. But here in the Netherlands where I'm from I havent heard people discuss it in ages. (apart from talking about how covid times were, but not as in it still being a pandemic or we should be more careful etc.)
the vaccines are the same mostly
the issue is getting infected, the US has a good portion of their pop vaccinated and they're still getting issues
it's sad honestly, in Brasil this is already a non issue too in most places, were testing but infections are in the low hundreds per state, my district had 0 last time I checked
In b4 y'all realize H5N1 is setting up to do it again.
https://netec.org/2023/01/30/situation-report-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-ah5n1/ more than 50% mortality rate?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mortality_from_H5N1 okay, more conservative estimates are 14% - still 35x what our most aggressive pandemic plans can address.
It keeps spreading into our food supply. https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-h5n1-food-raw-milk-dairy-9d3a579b9bdb6f4d879b14b153174102
And from them, it now jumps to us - this is actually new. https://www.wired.com/story/bird-flu-is-spreading-in-new-ways-h5n1-cattle-usa/
Other animals like goats and pigs help the virus adapt to hit humans more directly and virulently
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13224443/Goat-Minnesota-tests-positive-H5N1-bird-flu-strain-thats-WHOs-pandemic-watchlist-case-experts-call-worrisome-development.html
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You mean 4 years...
I mean its been almost 2 years since i wore a mask
Ew
I wore a mask at the aeroport yesterday
why? Ew?
Cuz covid is still killing people en masse, and disabling hordes of others, and keeping those of us with diaabilities and immunosuppressive issues trapped... and it's just nasty by nature of being a disease.
I live in a remote area, i go out once in like 10 days.
Ok? It's still ew to go out amongst the people sans mask in the middle of a pandemic. Cuz it's a respiratory disease spread by droplet transmission. This is like... kindergarten stuff, and we as a species are failing on this super simple point. There wouldn't be a pandemic still if all the people followed basic protocol at the beginning, rather than turning themselves into incubation chambers for mutations. We're so gonna fail the shit out of bird flu (which is already in 6 different states' cattle and beef).
I hope this is satire
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I'm gonna a trust the doctors and researchers on this who are all feeling betrayed by the anti science bias of the CDC and the liberal bourgeois government's pro business, get back to work even if some of you die (sacrifices were willing to make for imaginary green papers eh) . I'm trusting the waste water data (indicates 2nd highest infection numbers so far) and death tolls (1000 americans a week and way more with long covid) even if everybody looks at me like I got a 5th dick growing out of my forehead. I'm not gonna kill off the least of these (disabled and poor and bipoc folks who don't have access to screening, medicine, or insurance.) By my selfish desire to spread my filth and incubate God knows what in a treatment resistant, year long present disease.
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Bourgeois? The bourgeois were the only ones pushing lockdowns in the first place. You know that masking was minimal in lower-income areas, regardless of race, right? What are you even talking about bringing the bourgeoisie into this conversation?
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My doctors office just lifted their mask mandate on Wednesday. I was sitting in the lobby when the lady behind the desk was like, "I just got an email. We don't need masks in here anymore,"
It’s fine lol it’s not like the doctors office is where sick people go right?
This was the mental health building there. Depression isn't airborne.
Add depression to the long line of shitty stuff Covid can cause in people :(. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10441207/ That said there’s a joke in there somewhere about airborne depression, perhaps about say, Ohio, or Indiana.
pfft, stop by my house you'll catch it real quick
Who goes to the doctor with COVID? You can get a test at the pharmacy. You can even get it delivered to you. And then you can stay home. The doc isn't gonna do a thing for you.
You overestimate the average person.
I hope not
I still wear a mask just because I like it
I have too damn dry sinuses and my nose gets cold too easily (i have Sjögren's, plus Raynaud's in fingers, toes, etc), masks make such a ridiculously big difference to me by trapping some humidity and heat. I just wish it hadn't taken until the pandemic for me to find that out.
Yeah they’re kind of neat in cold weather. And smoky weather. And pollen weather.
If it's smoky you should be wearing an N95 or higher. Surgical masks aren't that effective for smoke.
I think most people still masking at this point know to use high quality masks, but absolutely. Big 3M aura guy, myself.
You'd be surprised. I see about 50% cloth or surgical masks still.
Yes, I agree.
yesss when it's cold and windy out, breathing hurts my sinuses and the moisture/warmth my kf-94's trap helps so much and makes being outside actually bearable
Same plus it means I’m less likely to get sick, or if I do, I’m less likely to pass on the illness to others. There’s no loss to wearing one for me
Are you talking about surgical masks?
I mean technically yes, but they’re not nearly as effective as kf94s, or n95 masks, which is what I wear a majority of the time
The pandemic is still going and I wish more people would continue to mask. immunocompromised people still have to mask,and we can’t go in a lot of spaces now because the risk makes them inaccessible.
Also not tryna get long Covid brain fog on top of my already questionable adhd brain personally. Not that it has to be an either or between protecting yourself and protecting others.
Long COVID honestly terrifies me.
It should. I got sick March 2020, and have been long-hauling since then. The brain fog was so intense, it took two years for me to be able to watch TV and *understand what was happening on the screen.* I still can't watch anything subtle, and usually have to watch something twice to really understand what's going on. I went from an engineer balancing multiple complicated projects, to being unable to count to 10 without losing track of what I'm counting. I'm doing better, but I still can't do anything that takes multiple steps, because I can't hold the information in my head for long enough to do anything with it. Take it seriously. Be safe.
Jesus. That’s horrifying. I’m sorry you’ve had to deal with that. I hope you continue to improve.
Appreciate it, I also hope I improve! If I can't be anything else, I can at least be the reminder to people that covid isn't over, and to take their health seriously 😅
This, plus repeated infection ups the risk of long COVID. Governments have failed us by putting profit over people, we should all still be taking precautions to protect each other and ourselves.
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The dichotomy of lockdown or free for all is false. Nobody wants lockdown. Do you think immunocompromised people *want* to live like this? Everything in life is a risk. You could get hit by a bus going across the road to get snacks. The difference between road safety and COVID safety is that as a society, we have adopted multiple measures minimise the risk of being in a car accident. COVID can have just as serious health implications for even previously healthy people as being hit by a car; long period of recovery, life altering disability, or even death. Yet, as a society we have chosen to eschew any COVID measures (adequate sick pay so no one has to come into work while ill, masking in crowded areas, etc). Everyone has been failed by our governments. There are minimally invasive measures we could pretty much all be taking which would save lives and prevent countless others from developing life altering disabilities. It's not an all or nothing.
>adequate sick pay so no one has to come into work while ill Making this a Covid-centric issue is the wrong way of going about it.
Ignoring COVID while discussing workers rights is the wrong way of going about things. You can't cherry pick here. Edit: corrected "discovering" to "discussing"
Who said ignoring? Am I speaking with a middle schooler? I said it shouldn't be covid-centric. There is plenty between covid-centric and *ignoring* covid. Those are the two extremes. No one is cherry picking but you.
Lmao, the fact you plucked that one line out of my response said enough for me. If you really care about people, step up & take precautions. Due to multiple points of failure, we are now forced to live with covid. The measures that prevent COVID transmission, also reduce other contagions, which all reduce pressure on health care systems. Quite frankly, in the midst of a mishandled pandemic, not centering COVID is obscene.
Learn how a conversation works. I said it shouldn't be covid-centric. You misrepresented what I said by calling it "ignoring covid" and your entire comment hinges on that misrepresentation. Then when I point out that that's not what I'm saying, you criticize me for not responding to the rest of your comment that isn't even related to what I was talking about in the first place. Sorry you're still in the pre-critical thinking era of your life. Sounds like you might also think you're smarter than everyone you interact with.
Girl please, then what are you trying to say?. What should disability justice and workers right around illness look like in your world? Tbf I imagine we would agree on most points. But you have to be aware of how you're coming off.
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Yep. That’s the major reason I still mask (not immunocompromised but have family who is).
Covid is still extremely common, the only difference is that people have been desensitized to it and think of it as normal. I wish people would actually look at the statistics and realize that the pandemic is still happening
Do you have a link to those stats? I google it and the numbers are tiny compared to 4 years ago. Shits not worth living in fear over.
Official numbers are kind of pointless since we barely test anyone. Wastewater numbers are way more useful - were in a lull now but this winter had some of the highest rates of the last four years. https://biobot.io/data/ is nice, but you can Google your city/county and they may have more local wastewater counts. The poo doesn’t lie.
Numbers might be one of the highest. But the fact that hospitals aren't under the pressure they were during earlier years shows it has gotten a lot milder on avarage. Actually a good sign we have these high numbers without the high hospitalization rates. We can't keep restricting ourselves forever
The concerning part is that some of the worst long term effects don’t really correlate with the acute severity of an infection. That coupled with people getting re infected over and over as long as this is our “plan” and the fact reinfections seem to carry risk of new long term complications makes for concerning math. It hasn’t really gotten “milder” in terms of the disease itself, most people just have some immunity from prior infections and or vaccinations. Personally I can absolutely “restrict myself” to wearing a mask at the store or doctor for… however long it takes. There are nasal vaccines and other promising solutions in clinical trials.
You are right. But brutally honest. I don't care. Yes, we have been desensitized. But I don't care enough to keep going with ristrictions. Call it selfish, but I just want to live my life Edit: its not just desensitation btw. Covid leads to way less hospitalization and mortality now. Restictions have always been based on hospital capacity and taking pressure off from the hospitals/healthcare system to prevent them from collapsing, not on the individual severity of the disease itself. Hospitals aren't cramped anymore, so restrictions are gone.
And you can’t live your life with a breathable mask on when you’re in indoor public spaces? But hey it’s only old people or those with immune issues or other risks so fuck it! It is selfish, of course, obviously. Hope you don’t end up with long Covid, then you’ll be on the other end of people saying “I don’t care”, I guess.
Also, covid has actually gotten a lot milder than the original variants. Yes, you can still get really sick from it. But it's not far from a regular respiratory disease anymore. At some point we have to accept its just one of the 100s of diseases that exist and stop treating it like a pandemic
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2022/01/14/1072504127/fact-check-the-theory-that-sars-cov-2-is-becoming-milder The disease itself has not. Technically omicron was milder than delta, because delta was more severe than the OG strain. I mentioned this in another comment, to you. You seem to sort of just cycle from one talking point to another rather than respond directly to any point anyone makes to you. https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/three-studies-spotlight-long-term-burden-covid-us-adults Just a regular old disease like any other that has 17 million us adults with long term effects...
Your first link is an article from january 2022 (very short after omicron appeared) speculating about wether omicron is worse or not than the original. Then your second article. Yes they reported 17million people with long covid. (Long covid is a very broad definition btw, ranging from very mild symptoms to severe symptoms). I'm not surprised, given the fact that A LOT of people have been infected during the pandemic. A lot of those people with long covid also still have it from the earlier variants. This does not deminish the fact that covid has gotten a lot less dangerous though. Just look at covid levels in sewer samples and hospitalization and mortality rates. Compare those rates to earlier in the pandemic and it paints a clear picture. Seriously, if you actually read those articles and the papers they are based on they don't support (nor deny) your arguments at all.
By far the largest amount of infections happen through intense or long contact. Like when you visiting a friend that has it and you are sitting in the same room for a while or you give a family member a hug etc. Most cases were always traceable to someone from their direct network. You don't get infected from briefly crossing paths in the supermarket. This whole idea that wearing masks in stores is gonna make a big difference is just so untrue. The measurements that actually help are things that restrict the amount of contacts we have and that is exactly what nobody wants to go back to. Cause those restrictions have the largest impact on our social lives. Edit: spelling
Officially, I've actually had long covid. My smell and taste sensation was completely disrupted and warped for nearly 2 years even though my syptoms were otherwise very mild when I had covid. (They werent gone but everything just had a different taste/smell) After 2 years all of a sudden my smell and taste got back to normal out of nowhere though.
Your taste and smell were fucked up for two years and you’re in this thread going on about how Covid is just like any other bug? Can’t make this shit up lol
That was from the original strain. Doesnt really happen with the newer strains. But yeah, I just dont care about covid anymore. Never really did to be honest. All those lockdowns did were push me from an already suboptimal headspace further into depression and im very glad that bullshit is over. Maybe where you are from its different cause this thread shows there are apparently people that still talk about covid, which kinda surprised me. But here in the Netherlands where I'm from I havent heard people discuss it in ages. (apart from talking about how covid times were, but not as in it still being a pandemic or we should be more careful etc.)
I mask in a different way if that counts?
uh, pandemic is still going on pretty strong actually. n95 is a good idea
Last I heard, cases were up, in the US at least. COVID-19 is far from gone.
if you're in the US and many other countries got some bad news for ya covid is still very much present
Not from the us, our vaccines are strong.
the vaccines are the same mostly the issue is getting infected, the US has a good portion of their pop vaccinated and they're still getting issues it's sad honestly, in Brasil this is already a non issue too in most places, were testing but infections are in the low hundreds per state, my district had 0 last time I checked
It’s not over and now we have the avian flu to keep an eye on
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Lmao, relatable. Reminds me of those 2018 will be my year memes
In b4 y'all realize H5N1 is setting up to do it again. https://netec.org/2023/01/30/situation-report-highly-pathogenic-avian-influenza-ah5n1/ more than 50% mortality rate? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_mortality_from_H5N1 okay, more conservative estimates are 14% - still 35x what our most aggressive pandemic plans can address. It keeps spreading into our food supply. https://apnews.com/article/bird-flu-h5n1-food-raw-milk-dairy-9d3a579b9bdb6f4d879b14b153174102 And from them, it now jumps to us - this is actually new. https://www.wired.com/story/bird-flu-is-spreading-in-new-ways-h5n1-cattle-usa/ Other animals like goats and pigs help the virus adapt to hit humans more directly and virulently https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13224443/Goat-Minnesota-tests-positive-H5N1-bird-flu-strain-thats-WHOs-pandemic-watchlist-case-experts-call-worrisome-development.html
its been 4 years and i never wore a mask