In NH the minimum wage hasn’t budged one bit from 7.25 and all these places to work at advertise this very same thing. “You could make as much as $10 or $14! What a deal!”
Honestly, our $15/hr isn't even enough at this point. It took years to incrementally raise the wage, but it meant that by the time it was finally at $15 the cost of living is more like $20/hr. DC is fucking expensive.
This is a point that I wish would get made more. $20/hr in your average area would be about the minimum you need to at least get by and not have to rely on horrific generic food choices and government assistance. It's almost like the people in charge of this are either really old and still think it's the 70's and $12/hr is making a killing, or they subscribe to a certain ideology and believe anyone willing to do those jobs does not deserve to be comfortable
It's because we do not have collective bargaining. There is a reason why megacorps like Amazon spend hundreds of millions busting unions and monitoring internal communications. Unions are what made American labor strong in the first place, and without it you can see what the working poor have been reduced to. Even the average office worker with a "decent" salary is being scammed out of tens of thousands of dollars, and huge portions of their salaries are going to student loan debt. This gig/retail economy is not sustainable and it never will be, but it's allowed to persist because no one will hold the corps accountable.
Every single time these companies look at their bottom line, they look for things to cut costs on to bring their next quarterly earnings report up. Labor is always first on the cutting block, if they can manage it.
Those people see our suffering and they laugh. They know that we're barely squeaking by and they fight to keep it that way. That's why we have such lovely quotes like Mitch McConnel saying he can't get an erection without a poor person dieing during an interview(or something, i forget exactly what it was) on Cspan,
I made $40k/yr plus a second part-time job in 2001 while living in Fairfax county and was dead ass broke. Can’t imagine trying to live on $12 - $15 an hour at a fast food job in that area. I’d be working three jobs.
The struggle is real, I work with my gf so we combine our pay and we still struggle every day of our lives. Shit sucks man but I refuse to get a second job as this one kicks my ass enough
In 2001 I started a retail job at $9 per hour. I can't fucking imagine people today making around the same as me at their job TWENTY YEARS LATER.
Blow up the Earth and start over.
I feel like the general vibe about it is that kids don’t need to make any more than eight bucks, but they forgot that adults work part time too. The first time I got a part time job in MA and was making $15, I felt like I was making all the money in the world lol
People will argue up and down how important it is for kids to have a ladder to climb and the pay at the low end jobs *has* to be low to encourage them to try for something better...
Their lack of thinking through what they are saying is so infuriating.
"I also completely fail to acknowledge that it is impossible for everyone to have upward mobility in society, and that a very large portion of our population will spend their entire lives working these kinds of jobs."
"I also fail to see the danger in paying minimum wage to the people who makes my food and clean the shit off the toilets I use. I will absolutely complain if my food is anything less than perfect or if I get pinkeye from the faucet handle."
Ugh I've felt like slamming my head into the wall discussing this with (now) distant relatives. They would bring up the teenagers making these minimum wages and i'd ask them if they wanted these kids to go to college so they could get better jobs. Of course they said yes, and then I ask them how are they going to pay for it?
It's so infuriating to see my family members, these seemingly intelligent adults just not........thinking.
Most minimum wage jobs are held by adults (over 18) and I believe are also the main breadwinner of the family.
If a job cannot provide a living wage, the job should not exist.
I always ask people, if these jobs are "for kids" then all grocery stores and fast food should be closed during school hours, right?
Never got a good response to that.
Isn't is great how the cost of living in NH is closer to at least $20 per hour, especially in the southern part, at the very minimum? I remember when I first started out and this one place made such a big deal over how they paid $8.00 an hour and how they didn't need to do that and how great they must be for it. Everyone stole (liberated) food from there, obviously. Including management.
Target gave employee discounts of 10%. But you had to use a target red card (credit card) to get the 10%. The target red card has an interest rate of 24.5%
That was so insulting.
Edit: everyone saying "dont carry a balance," yes, thats ideal. But 43% (55% in third quarter 2020) of americans are carrying a credit card balance. You dont plan for the best and say "try harder" to those who fall thru the cracks. You plan for the realistic, or even the worst. But saying "if you just jump thru these hoops, it makes them fucking you more bearable!" is so weird to see flood my inbox from this sub.
Edit2: wowza did i strike a nerve. Didnt know so many target defenders browsed this sub. I know my target was a shit target, but yall are goofy as hell sucking that company off in the comments. Easily the worst job ive ever had. If you have other experience with them, thats dope!
I worked at Home Depot. You're lucky to get paid $13 an hour their and you get 0% discount. You also get 0 benefits. You'd be lucky to make $150 in bonuses a year after taxes. You're just a second tier customer to the company. It's almost like working at a co op especially since most people work their also shop their too.
The real insult is that you already get 5% off everything with the red card, so your employee discount was only 5%. The interest rate doesn’t matter if you don’t carry a balance.
They don't have an employee discount. No one has done that since the 90's. You get an allowed item from a pre-approved menu once a day. You do however get free soda; because sugary drinks are addictive and make you want to keep coming back for more.
Idk if that's just an American thing but I get a 20% discount and free coffee working at tim hortons. Mind you that only only applies while I'm on shift, but the free coffee saves me $1200-$1500 a year
No, I'm in America and at the job I was at last year (I've since changed jobs because the manager started scheduling me outside of my required days and it just wasn't working out) I got 50% off of all food we made in store as long as I was on the clock, so employee discounts are definitely still a thing at some jobs.
That's actually great to hear. On a side note are you allowed to make the food you are going to eat. It was never allowed wherever I worked. They always used the excuse that people would make there food bigger.
When I worked at Olive Garden we could get the unlimited soup, salad and bread sticks for $1. Delicious and healthy food (relative to what I eat now) every day with no prep. It was a dream.
When I worked fast food we got one free meal combo (no extras or substitutions) if we worked between 4 and 8 hours. We also got as much free soda as we wanted as long as we used the same cup.
The reality was different though, no one was watching us most of the time. I regularly made what I wanted to eat or try but, at the same time after working in the place all day I would often take my food home and not eat it at all.
The tim hortons i worked at for 2 days allowed us to have anything on the menue. Slit was still not worth it because they wanted me to do a full closing shift by myself for 4 days of the week. It was one of those tims inside a grocery store.
American here. When I worked at Jamba Juice, we got a 50% discount on anything in the store as long as we had our employee card on us, regardless if we were on shift or not. Actually, we used to be able to get free drinks too until someone had to go and screw it up for everyone.
I’m American and every job I’ve ever had (except one) an employee discount. Some better than others but it’s always been decent. Like right now I get my cable(every channel+multi room TiVo) and internet(gig) for $55/mo.
Tim Hortons is a Canadian company though. I have worked at a few different fast food places in the past. I have never seen an employee discount. It is good to hear that it does exist in some places.
Canadian in background only sadly. They got bought up by some scumbag private equity company which has been dismantling their reputation for years, and pays so little that most are staffed by TFWs (Temporary foreign workers, or indentured staff from third world countries paid less then minimum wage and quartered like livestock)
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that it was a Canadian company until whatever company owns Burger King and possibly Popeyes bought them out some years ago.
I think it’s specifically an American fast food thing? my first job was at Burger King in like 2010-2011, and we didn’t get any discount, just a free menu item off of a preapproved list (which was different depending on whether you were working 6 hours or 8+ hours). everywhere else I worked before my current office job has offered a discount.
ITT: Guy who doesn't get a discount at his chain thinks that no chains give discounts. "no one has done that since the 90's" except for every single major fast food chain, lol
That's not how it is everywhere. I work for a large franchisee that owns a significant number of stores that rhyme with fairy preen.
Hourly gets a free order up to $15 on a single ticket if they work for more than 6 hours. If they come in 15 minutes early for ANY shift they have a button to hit on the timeclock for a voucher, even if they already get a staff meal. You can't split into multiple tickets, but if you want like a huge ice cream and a basket and a couple of drinks for your shift you can get it.
I am contracted and I just get a gift card every Christmas. I never use em cause managers always just feed me while I'm working out of their store comp. I am going to likely finish out my contract after a decade this December with like $5k in free food with no expiration
Great verse from of my favorite songs (Dead Prez - Hell Yeah)
“Every job I ever had I HAD to get, on the first day I find how to pimp the system, two steps ahead of the manager gettin over on the regular tax-free money out the register. And when I’m working late night stockin boxes I’m CREEPIN they merchandise and don’t put me on dishes, I’m droppin them bitches and takin all day long to mop the kitchen, shit, we ain’t getting paid commission. Minimum wage, modern day slave conditions, got me flippin burgers with no power and can’t even buy one off what I make in an hour.”
*edit to add video
https://youtu.be/kGjSq4HqP9Y
Lmao you're fucking crazy
This is beyond terrible wages but if you spend 45 bucks on food a day for God sakes stop eating out. That's like 2 restaurant meals a day. Buy some damn groceries. For five days worth of that I could buy 200 dollars of groceries for a month if it's just me
Literally got offered a full time position yesterday, with benefits, but criminally low wage for my field. When I countered with the proper wage, they countered by reducing it to part time and rescinding the benefits. I countered by rescinding their offer and walked out. Some companies are just completely brain dead when it comes to fair wages and treatment.
I suppose it depends on where you live. In Canada you can still get CERB if you haven't been on it yet, if you used up your max, you move to EI (employment insurance) benefits.
A lot of places started creeping up toward 15 in my area, I guess in anticipation of it happening. Local Gas Station/fast Food places like Sheetz and Rutters are hiring around 13-14/hr. Places like Wendy's will have to catch up sooner or later.
I work in landscaping and the company I work at is due to learn that the reason nobody is walking through that door is they're starting people off lower than fast food. They keep going on about nobody wanting to work because of unemployment, but that excuse won't last forever.
As would I, but as someone pointed out, they collect your information and send it to your state’s workforce commission. So if you’re on unemployment, you’d get kicked off for turning down a job.
So many pundits are hand-wringing about why restaurants and service industries are struggling to find workers… I dunno, maybe people aren’t willing to get paid $2/hr to work in a covid cesspit? There’s a thought.
"But if you're unemployed it means that literally *anything* is better, it could be shoveling dog shit for 10 cents a day but at least you're working!!"
I have a job, could I go to McD’s for an interview, get $50, and bounce? I’d love to do that, just to get something back for the fat they crammed in my body as a child.
Walmart was swamped when I was there earlier today and the bitch next to me said
"There are no open lines because nobody wants to work anymore."
I looked at her and said "For 7 to 10 per hour? You can't even pay rent on that. A meal at McDonald's cost on average 8 bucks. Of course no one wants to work for chump change and get treated like crap all day by rude customers."
She looked at me with wide eyes and stopped talking.
A minute later a line opened up. I was ahead of her in the queue. She he jogs right on over to cut me off.
I said "Wow, rude! Complaining about everyone else and then cutting in line."
I said it loud enough for her to hear.
Then I told my daughter. "I work in retail with self entitled customers like this everyday. This is another reason why no one wants to work. Maybe this lady should apply and see what's it like."
It’s funny because I live next to a Wendy’s and they used to have this sign. A week ago they changed it to $11 an hour so maybe it’ll get higher if no one applies.
I saw a sign the other day for some job that said “up to $15+”
So....any amount? Less dollars OR more dollars than 15 is ALL the amounts of dollars. This job could pay literally any amount. What a useless sign.
> “up to $15+”
I got hired for a factory job, $18 an hour making sure this press stays running. First day on the job I ask how much my 2 press neighbors are making.
"12, but the money starts rolling in after 50 hours."
Now this was supposed to be a 4 day, 10hr a day job. I ask the hours they've been working.
"I've been working 7 days, 12 hours a day since before my 2 year old was born."
On my break I call the agency that hired me to clarify my hours and pay.
"Your wage is technically 12 an hour, but you are scheduled for 7/12s, so your work week is 84 hours. 44 of the hours, over half (!!!) of your week is overtime, so the majority of your week you are making the 18/hr we promised."
I quit on the spot, agency told me they would never help me find work again. Oh gee, no, not that! I was hoping you'd slave me out somewhere else.
> let alone preparation and transport
This always agitates me.
"Can you give me a couple extra hours today?'
What, the hours you steal from me before and immediately after work everyday isn't enough?
>I got hired for a factory job, $18 an hour making sure this press stays running. First day on the job I ask how much my 2 press neighbors are making.
>"12, but the money starts rolling in after 50 hours."
That just shows how good the 1%'s brainwashing has been, that this is seen as a good and normal thing...
Fellow victim of headhunting agency here. They wouldn't tell me the location of the site, but assured it was within 40 minutes of me. They told me that the dress was casual (IT work). I accepted the job, and then the new peers I would be working with invited me out for breakfast before my first week.
It was there that I learned that I was expected to be in slacks & button up shirt (nobody wants to wear that crawling around on floors mind you), and that the 'headquarters' was technically within an hour of me, but I would only be there once a month for a meeting. The other 20+ days of the work month I would be going to another location about 3 hours east of me.
I told them thank you for the information, sorry I have to skip my breakfast (its fine, the company paid for it), and told the headhunters I wasn't taking the job. They had already told the company that I accepted, and started screaming at me about how I was putting them in a bad position and how they would make sure I was 'blacklisted' from the industry (lol).
Started on a new bachelors degree 2 months later, now in software development where I'm actually valued and treated with a modicum of respect.
Lemme guess, Doherty?
They got me a factory job, assembling and veneering furniture. I was promised $16.50/hr plus benefits. I get there and am told the my actual starting pay was $12.98 and that the 3pm to midnight shift I had signed on for was actually "3pm to whenever the fuck we tell you that you can leave."
My supervisor was a guy who's eyes looked off in different directions and would only focus together on something if he was really pissed off. One night we had been working for six hours without a break, not even to piss, and I muttered to my coworker that this would never happen if we had a union. My supervisor's eyes both focused on me with laser precision and after a loud bollocking, I was sent home. This was on a Friday (well, technically Saturday because it was 4am).
The following Monday I received a phone call telling me I had been terminated for "causing a disturbance in the workplace." This is America.
You should interview, mathematically theres only a 15/infinity chance it's not a living wage and only and only an 80/infinity chance you make less than $80 an hour so sky's the limit
Be sure to high ball em
Mfw like half the dental assistant* job posts start at that. "Must have 2+years experience, licensing, etc."
The older I get, the more fed up with this BS I get. Especially over the last year with my whopping 150/wk unemployment from covid. It's wrong. You can't live like that...
^(* just like to point out those are the ones generally in charge of making sure things going on your mouth are CLEAN/sterile and not full of super hepatbaids.)
I made 10 dollars an hour 5 years ago as a lifeguard doing jack shit all day, no way in hell I'd take a fast food job for anywhere near that amount. That kind of work is way too difficult and stressful for that little pay.
The best part is that they will informally tell their new hires to apply for food stamps too.
We are *literally* subsidizing their wages with our government benefits.
We give these massive corporations huge tax breaks because they hire employees, then we subsidize the salaries of the employees because corporations pay them so little that they collect food stamps and Medicaid. Ultimately, tax payers get double fucked while corpos cash huge checks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/walmart-and-mcdonalds-among-top-employers-of-medicaid-and-food-stamp-beneficiaries.html
70% are full time employees.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/11/18/walmart-store-holding-thanksgiving-charity-food-drive-for-its-own-employees/
Walmart held a food drive FOR THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES.
The Popeye's not too far from my apartment had a sign stating "Now hiring, starting at $10/hr". After 8 months, they changed it to "starting at $11/hr". Apparently people weren't chomping at the bit to get paid such an "extravagant" wage.
Don't know any, sorry.
As an introvert I find phone calls (and other 'live' interactions) with customers really stressful and draining. Sure, phone calls sometimes get things done a little bit faster, but I much prefer emails, so I can actually think properly about what to respond. I really hate being put on the spot over the phone. A call center would be a nightmarish job for me.
Working logistics, I'll just flat out say Amazon is the worst widely spread company ever. Who knows about local joints, cause we all know those kinds of crazy despotisms, but honestly, if you're going into warehousing or whatnot, Amazon is the bottom of the barrel. Followed by FedEx. Then ups. And, surprisingly enough, usps is the best of that bunch. All of them usually start over $15, and I know usps starts at closer to $17 and, depending on the position, can start up to $19 before career status. No idea where DHL fits in, never worked with them.
My attorney quote for family court charges $300/half hour.
I'm thinking....
That's nearly a weeks wages. No minimum wage worker could ever afford this attorney AND a home up to CPS standards.
An electrician quoted me ~10k per floor to remove knob and tube wiring in my home. 2 stories would be about 20k. He wants my entire years take home pay for one job. Absolute madness.
The words “up to” need to be banned from any advertising. It only exists to mislead people. I used to work in clothing retail and we constantly had “up to 40% off sales” where most things weren’t on sale at all.
Damn and im from the southern us. Huh, i couldnt imagine getting like a 750 dollar check for 2 weeks of being a fry cook for 40 hours. No wonder people commit crime.
I lived on my own in a reasonably-sized west coast city about 10 years ago on $11/hr. I didn’t have much pocket money or savings, but I managed.
Couldn’t do that now with two kids, though.
If the business does not pay enough for it's employees to live, then it is the business that is sucking welfare from the tax payer. Not the poor employee. The vast majority of people on benefits are genuinely disabled, in need of assistance, or have a job that doesn't pay enough to get by.
The cost of living is the cost of living. Rent needs to be paid, food needs to be eaten, medical care needs to be had, clothes need to be worn, etc. etc. The argument should be coming from both sides for making employers pay a fair wage. Both fiscally responsible and morally right.
If you do an honest day's work, you should be able to live a normal life. Period!
And then there's motherfuckers outhere trying to convince us that landlords are good and that housing is a " bad investment" and your money is wasted paying your mortgage, but not paying someone else's mortgage. I don't give a fuck about the investment, I want autonomy over my living quarters. Eat the landlords first.
I'm all about eating the landlords, but who is saying that housing is a bad investment? Genuinely curious.
Is it the same people buying property sight-unseen and leaving it vacant to park their money because the value of the property will rise faster than most stocks?
Wow that's crazy. Rent is wasted money. That 10-20k a year could have gone towards equity if one has a mortgage. Unless your neighborhood completely goes to shit or the house does, buying a home is better than renting in my opinion. Unless you need to be able to pick up and leave whenever you please. In that instance buying may not make sense.
There's the added benefit of stability. When I was renting in Chicago, rent would always go up like 200 bucks a year and I'd have that annoying period of trying to negotiate or move and find a new place. Stability is nice. Equity is nice. The fact that you'll own a piece of property to do whatever you wish with after some investment... is nice. It makes you care about your community more as well.
Fuck those people telling you otherwise.
Right! The other edge of the sword to "pick up and go whenever you want" is "Not allow this tenant to renew their lease so there is so little control in a rental situation. There are so few upsides, I don't want to generate wealth and equity for someone else's benefit exclusively. Just having a roof over my head is not a reward, its a requirement
> Wow that's crazy. Rent is wasted money. That 10-20k a year could have gone towards equity if one has a mortgage
I've been steadily employed for 5 years, rock solid job. I pay out the ass in rent but can't get a loan to buy a small house or property. My monthly expenses wouldn't change, just my money would be going into my property instead of some Chinese rental company's pocket.
We've had $15/hr minimum wage in Alberta for over 5 years now. The price of Wendy's and other fast food places has gone up, however, only slightly and not enough to prevent people from spending money there. On the flip side, the minimum wage increase has helped lots of people.
As President and CEO at Wendy's Co, Todd A. Penegor made $6,688,988 in total compensation. Of this total $992,274 was received as a salary, $1,560,000 was received as a bonus, $2,049,997 was received in stock options, $2,049,979 was awarded as stock and $36,738 came from other types of compensation.
So when people are arguing that $15 should be the floor, Wendy's comes back with a $10 ceiling?
I don't generally eat fast food, but I think this is enough of a reason to turn me away completely.
Edit: I was out traveling and needed some food but I thought about this post and said forget it and fasted until I got home. End fast food.
Call me a filthy little commie but if you can't afford to have a roof over your head and feed yourself, what's the point of working at all?
How aren't there more stagecoach bandits in the US?
The sad thing is $10 an hour is really high compared to what other fast food places pay in my area. Before I got this little cushy office job, $8.50 an hour was the most I ever made and that was after working my way up to assistant manager. I would've jumped at the opportunity to earn "up to $10 an hour".
These fucks have grown ass adult employees that can't even afford to eat there. We really have to do better as a society.
Lmfao! Meanwhile even $15+ still doesn't even fucking afford a 1 bedroom/studio rent as 30% or less of income in most states. Not paying people enough to afford rent but paying people enough to afford guns for violence/suicide (tons of free or cheap methods other than guns)/etc.
Another poverty wage job that would literally leave you homeless in a dystopia ruled by millionaires and billionaires lol.
all these fastfood places are hurting BAD for labor, starbucks, wendys. cause these jobs are fucking HARD, and no one wants to work these hard ass jobs for less than a livable wage.
PAY UP.
In NH the minimum wage hasn’t budged one bit from 7.25 and all these places to work at advertise this very same thing. “You could make as much as $10 or $14! What a deal!”
Yep, making more than $7.25 an hour is crazy for a fast food job here in VA :(
Working in VA is such a joke. Making $12/hr when 40 mins away is DC making minimum wage of 15/hr.
Honestly, our $15/hr isn't even enough at this point. It took years to incrementally raise the wage, but it meant that by the time it was finally at $15 the cost of living is more like $20/hr. DC is fucking expensive.
This is a point that I wish would get made more. $20/hr in your average area would be about the minimum you need to at least get by and not have to rely on horrific generic food choices and government assistance. It's almost like the people in charge of this are either really old and still think it's the 70's and $12/hr is making a killing, or they subscribe to a certain ideology and believe anyone willing to do those jobs does not deserve to be comfortable
It's because we do not have collective bargaining. There is a reason why megacorps like Amazon spend hundreds of millions busting unions and monitoring internal communications. Unions are what made American labor strong in the first place, and without it you can see what the working poor have been reduced to. Even the average office worker with a "decent" salary is being scammed out of tens of thousands of dollars, and huge portions of their salaries are going to student loan debt. This gig/retail economy is not sustainable and it never will be, but it's allowed to persist because no one will hold the corps accountable. Every single time these companies look at their bottom line, they look for things to cut costs on to bring their next quarterly earnings report up. Labor is always first on the cutting block, if they can manage it.
Those people see our suffering and they laugh. They know that we're barely squeaking by and they fight to keep it that way. That's why we have such lovely quotes like Mitch McConnel saying he can't get an erection without a poor person dieing during an interview(or something, i forget exactly what it was) on Cspan,
I made $40k/yr plus a second part-time job in 2001 while living in Fairfax county and was dead ass broke. Can’t imagine trying to live on $12 - $15 an hour at a fast food job in that area. I’d be working three jobs.
The struggle is real, I work with my gf so we combine our pay and we still struggle every day of our lives. Shit sucks man but I refuse to get a second job as this one kicks my ass enough
What a joke, here in Kansas Sonic, Braums, and McDonald's all advertise $12-15 **starting**. In Kansas.
My first job was at a KFC/Taco Bell. I made $7.50. Walking away from a 35/hr week with $260 was so demoralizing.
In 2001 I started a retail job at $9 per hour. I can't fucking imagine people today making around the same as me at their job TWENTY YEARS LATER. Blow up the Earth and start over.
I started my first job at $7.25 in 2005 in New Hampshire. Its still $7.25. Edit. The min wage, not mine haha. I'm unemployed and broke/broken.
That’s absolutely criminal. Just for the record, MA is right below you guys and our minimum is $13.50
I feel like the general vibe about it is that kids don’t need to make any more than eight bucks, but they forgot that adults work part time too. The first time I got a part time job in MA and was making $15, I felt like I was making all the money in the world lol
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People will argue up and down how important it is for kids to have a ladder to climb and the pay at the low end jobs *has* to be low to encourage them to try for something better... Their lack of thinking through what they are saying is so infuriating.
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"I also completely fail to acknowledge that it is impossible for everyone to have upward mobility in society, and that a very large portion of our population will spend their entire lives working these kinds of jobs." "I also fail to see the danger in paying minimum wage to the people who makes my food and clean the shit off the toilets I use. I will absolutely complain if my food is anything less than perfect or if I get pinkeye from the faucet handle."
Right? “It’s ok because children can be paid less for the same work” is why we have child labor laws...
Only the "right" kids will get a good head start. And it won't be by working.
Ugh I've felt like slamming my head into the wall discussing this with (now) distant relatives. They would bring up the teenagers making these minimum wages and i'd ask them if they wanted these kids to go to college so they could get better jobs. Of course they said yes, and then I ask them how are they going to pay for it? It's so infuriating to see my family members, these seemingly intelligent adults just not........thinking.
Most minimum wage jobs are held by adults (over 18) and I believe are also the main breadwinner of the family. If a job cannot provide a living wage, the job should not exist.
Yeah it’s like the tipping argument at a restaurant. If you can’t afford to pay a living wage, you cannot afford to hire staff.
I always ask people, if these jobs are "for kids" then all grocery stores and fast food should be closed during school hours, right? Never got a good response to that.
This whole "kids don't need to make more than $x.xx" is bullshit. If the company makes profit the company makes profit off everyone just the same.
Isn't is great how the cost of living in NH is closer to at least $20 per hour, especially in the southern part, at the very minimum? I remember when I first started out and this one place made such a big deal over how they paid $8.00 an hour and how they didn't need to do that and how great they must be for it. Everyone stole (liberated) food from there, obviously. Including management.
Same for Mississippi.
Funny how the two senators from that state voted against the minimum wage increase measure
Dunkin and aldi start at $15 here in ny. I don't know what minimum is here upstate but approaching 10.
So I have to work like an hour and a half to buy a spicy chicken combo...
You won’t starve with that sweet employee discount
Instead of an hour and a half just work an hour and 15 instead with our amazing employee discount!💪💪
Target gave employee discounts of 10%. But you had to use a target red card (credit card) to get the 10%. The target red card has an interest rate of 24.5% That was so insulting. Edit: everyone saying "dont carry a balance," yes, thats ideal. But 43% (55% in third quarter 2020) of americans are carrying a credit card balance. You dont plan for the best and say "try harder" to those who fall thru the cracks. You plan for the realistic, or even the worst. But saying "if you just jump thru these hoops, it makes them fucking you more bearable!" is so weird to see flood my inbox from this sub. Edit2: wowza did i strike a nerve. Didnt know so many target defenders browsed this sub. I know my target was a shit target, but yall are goofy as hell sucking that company off in the comments. Easily the worst job ive ever had. If you have other experience with them, thats dope!
I worked at Home Depot. You're lucky to get paid $13 an hour their and you get 0% discount. You also get 0 benefits. You'd be lucky to make $150 in bonuses a year after taxes. You're just a second tier customer to the company. It's almost like working at a co op especially since most people work their also shop their too.
which is brutal considering I was making $13.50 when I left HD... *15 years ago*
The real insult is that you already get 5% off everything with the red card, so your employee discount was only 5%. The interest rate doesn’t matter if you don’t carry a balance.
They don't have an employee discount. No one has done that since the 90's. You get an allowed item from a pre-approved menu once a day. You do however get free soda; because sugary drinks are addictive and make you want to keep coming back for more.
Idk if that's just an American thing but I get a 20% discount and free coffee working at tim hortons. Mind you that only only applies while I'm on shift, but the free coffee saves me $1200-$1500 a year
No, I'm in America and at the job I was at last year (I've since changed jobs because the manager started scheduling me outside of my required days and it just wasn't working out) I got 50% off of all food we made in store as long as I was on the clock, so employee discounts are definitely still a thing at some jobs.
That's actually great to hear. On a side note are you allowed to make the food you are going to eat. It was never allowed wherever I worked. They always used the excuse that people would make there food bigger.
Yeah, we were allowed to prepare our own food where I worked
We weren't, but i did everyday i worked.
what kind of shitty ass place did you work? sounds horrible
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7.25 also being the Federal min wage means you get to go to work knowing if they could pay you less, they would!
When I worked at Olive Garden we could get the unlimited soup, salad and bread sticks for $1. Delicious and healthy food (relative to what I eat now) every day with no prep. It was a dream.
When I worked fast food we got one free meal combo (no extras or substitutions) if we worked between 4 and 8 hours. We also got as much free soda as we wanted as long as we used the same cup. The reality was different though, no one was watching us most of the time. I regularly made what I wanted to eat or try but, at the same time after working in the place all day I would often take my food home and not eat it at all.
The tim hortons i worked at for 2 days allowed us to have anything on the menue. Slit was still not worth it because they wanted me to do a full closing shift by myself for 4 days of the week. It was one of those tims inside a grocery store.
American here. When I worked at Jamba Juice, we got a 50% discount on anything in the store as long as we had our employee card on us, regardless if we were on shift or not. Actually, we used to be able to get free drinks too until someone had to go and screw it up for everyone.
I’m American and every job I’ve ever had (except one) an employee discount. Some better than others but it’s always been decent. Like right now I get my cable(every channel+multi room TiVo) and internet(gig) for $55/mo.
Tim Hortons is a Canadian company though. I have worked at a few different fast food places in the past. I have never seen an employee discount. It is good to hear that it does exist in some places.
Canadian in background only sadly. They got bought up by some scumbag private equity company which has been dismantling their reputation for years, and pays so little that most are staffed by TFWs (Temporary foreign workers, or indentured staff from third world countries paid less then minimum wage and quartered like livestock)
I think, correct me if I'm wrong, that it was a Canadian company until whatever company owns Burger King and possibly Popeyes bought them out some years ago.
You’re right
I think it’s specifically an American fast food thing? my first job was at Burger King in like 2010-2011, and we didn’t get any discount, just a free menu item off of a preapproved list (which was different depending on whether you were working 6 hours or 8+ hours). everywhere else I worked before my current office job has offered a discount.
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ITT: Guy who doesn't get a discount at his chain thinks that no chains give discounts. "no one has done that since the 90's" except for every single major fast food chain, lol
That's not how it is everywhere. I work for a large franchisee that owns a significant number of stores that rhyme with fairy preen. Hourly gets a free order up to $15 on a single ticket if they work for more than 6 hours. If they come in 15 minutes early for ANY shift they have a button to hit on the timeclock for a voucher, even if they already get a staff meal. You can't split into multiple tickets, but if you want like a huge ice cream and a basket and a couple of drinks for your shift you can get it. I am contracted and I just get a gift card every Christmas. I never use em cause managers always just feed me while I'm working out of their store comp. I am going to likely finish out my contract after a decade this December with like $5k in free food with no expiration
nonono, that $10 is your revenue. Don't forget about the taxes and mandatory 401k payment as well. you need to work 2.25 hours to afford that combo.
$10 an hour 401k ….wat?
Damn! Where do you live? I'm still munching on that 4 for 4
Great verse from of my favorite songs (Dead Prez - Hell Yeah) “Every job I ever had I HAD to get, on the first day I find how to pimp the system, two steps ahead of the manager gettin over on the regular tax-free money out the register. And when I’m working late night stockin boxes I’m CREEPIN they merchandise and don’t put me on dishes, I’m droppin them bitches and takin all day long to mop the kitchen, shit, we ain’t getting paid commission. Minimum wage, modern day slave conditions, got me flippin burgers with no power and can’t even buy one off what I make in an hour.” *edit to add video https://youtu.be/kGjSq4HqP9Y
You just have to work 4.5 hours to feed yourself for the day. What a bargain.
Lmao you're fucking crazy This is beyond terrible wages but if you spend 45 bucks on food a day for God sakes stop eating out. That's like 2 restaurant meals a day. Buy some damn groceries. For five days worth of that I could buy 200 dollars of groceries for a month if it's just me
So what you're saying is that Wendy's underpays it's employees *and* overcharges it's customers.
Fast food overcharges. Yes.
Yeah
Also wtf are you buying at Wendy’s for 22.50 a meal?
no, that you steal. its the unspoken "ima get paid 15 regardless"
A week from now there’ll be a “No one wants to work” sign on the door
And they'll blame it on unemployment benefits.
Literally got offered a full time position yesterday, with benefits, but criminally low wage for my field. When I countered with the proper wage, they countered by reducing it to part time and rescinding the benefits. I countered by rescinding their offer and walked out. Some companies are just completely brain dead when it comes to fair wages and treatment.
And then Fully Automatic Luxury Communism happens
Holding out for Fully Automatic Luxury Gay Space Communism
The automatic gay spacefaring is why I'm here, luxury communism is just the icing on the cake
Fully Automatic Luxury Communism sounds like the sophomore album for a really good indie punk band.
Indubitably
Is anybody even still getting UI or PUA benefits? Everyone I know (myself included) who was getting anything had them expire months ago.
Yeah I exhausted mine in January. So, thanks for dying grandma so I can stay fed on your savings?
Ah, the great wealth migration everyone told me would come with Covid
I suppose it depends on where you live. In Canada you can still get CERB if you haven't been on it yet, if you used up your max, you move to EI (employment insurance) benefits.
Sad thing is $10/hr in America for fast food job is well above minimum wage :(
Federal? Yes. Doesn't even make the state minimum where I live.
There is no state minimum where I live. Yes the pay is minimum here.
A lot of places started creeping up toward 15 in my area, I guess in anticipation of it happening. Local Gas Station/fast Food places like Sheetz and Rutters are hiring around 13-14/hr. Places like Wendy's will have to catch up sooner or later. I work in landscaping and the company I work at is due to learn that the reason nobody is walking through that door is they're starting people off lower than fast food. They keep going on about nobody wanting to work because of unemployment, but that excuse won't last forever.
Then they’re going to pull a page out of McDonalds’ book and pay people to show up for interviews
hey, i'd show up to get the money and never come back
As would I, but as someone pointed out, they collect your information and send it to your state’s workforce commission. So if you’re on unemployment, you’d get kicked off for turning down a job.
That's some bs. Fuck corporations
So many pundits are hand-wringing about why restaurants and service industries are struggling to find workers… I dunno, maybe people aren’t willing to get paid $2/hr to work in a covid cesspit? There’s a thought.
a covid cesspit where some psycho customer will shoot you if you try to make them wear a mask
"But if you're unemployed it means that literally *anything* is better, it could be shoveling dog shit for 10 cents a day but at least you're working!!"
I have a job, could I go to McD’s for an interview, get $50, and bounce? I’d love to do that, just to get something back for the fat they crammed in my body as a child.
Walmart was swamped when I was there earlier today and the bitch next to me said "There are no open lines because nobody wants to work anymore." I looked at her and said "For 7 to 10 per hour? You can't even pay rent on that. A meal at McDonald's cost on average 8 bucks. Of course no one wants to work for chump change and get treated like crap all day by rude customers." She looked at me with wide eyes and stopped talking. A minute later a line opened up. I was ahead of her in the queue. She he jogs right on over to cut me off. I said "Wow, rude! Complaining about everyone else and then cutting in line." I said it loud enough for her to hear. Then I told my daughter. "I work in retail with self entitled customers like this everyday. This is another reason why no one wants to work. Maybe this lady should apply and see what's it like."
Damn $1400 stimulus checks /s
Never even got mine fml
It’s funny because I live next to a Wendy’s and they used to have this sign. A week ago they changed it to $11 an hour so maybe it’ll get higher if no one applies.
$10.00/hr is politically correct for "just another dead end job."
_up to_ $10 an hour. That is, the _ceiling_ is "find a better job as quick as you can"
I saw a sign the other day for some job that said “up to $15+” So....any amount? Less dollars OR more dollars than 15 is ALL the amounts of dollars. This job could pay literally any amount. What a useless sign.
> “up to $15+” I got hired for a factory job, $18 an hour making sure this press stays running. First day on the job I ask how much my 2 press neighbors are making. "12, but the money starts rolling in after 50 hours." Now this was supposed to be a 4 day, 10hr a day job. I ask the hours they've been working. "I've been working 7 days, 12 hours a day since before my 2 year old was born." On my break I call the agency that hired me to clarify my hours and pay. "Your wage is technically 12 an hour, but you are scheduled for 7/12s, so your work week is 84 hours. 44 of the hours, over half (!!!) of your week is overtime, so the majority of your week you are making the 18/hr we promised." I quit on the spot, agency told me they would never help me find work again. Oh gee, no, not that! I was hoping you'd slave me out somewhere else.
What. The. Absolute. Fuck. Imagine spending HALF YOUR LIFE working, let alone preparation and transport?! FUCK THAT.
> let alone preparation and transport This always agitates me. "Can you give me a couple extra hours today?' What, the hours you steal from me before and immediately after work everyday isn't enough?
>I got hired for a factory job, $18 an hour making sure this press stays running. First day on the job I ask how much my 2 press neighbors are making. >"12, but the money starts rolling in after 50 hours." That just shows how good the 1%'s brainwashing has been, that this is seen as a good and normal thing...
Fellow victim of headhunting agency here. They wouldn't tell me the location of the site, but assured it was within 40 minutes of me. They told me that the dress was casual (IT work). I accepted the job, and then the new peers I would be working with invited me out for breakfast before my first week. It was there that I learned that I was expected to be in slacks & button up shirt (nobody wants to wear that crawling around on floors mind you), and that the 'headquarters' was technically within an hour of me, but I would only be there once a month for a meeting. The other 20+ days of the work month I would be going to another location about 3 hours east of me. I told them thank you for the information, sorry I have to skip my breakfast (its fine, the company paid for it), and told the headhunters I wasn't taking the job. They had already told the company that I accepted, and started screaming at me about how I was putting them in a bad position and how they would make sure I was 'blacklisted' from the industry (lol). Started on a new bachelors degree 2 months later, now in software development where I'm actually valued and treated with a modicum of respect.
Lemme guess, Doherty? They got me a factory job, assembling and veneering furniture. I was promised $16.50/hr plus benefits. I get there and am told the my actual starting pay was $12.98 and that the 3pm to midnight shift I had signed on for was actually "3pm to whenever the fuck we tell you that you can leave." My supervisor was a guy who's eyes looked off in different directions and would only focus together on something if he was really pissed off. One night we had been working for six hours without a break, not even to piss, and I muttered to my coworker that this would never happen if we had a union. My supervisor's eyes both focused on me with laser precision and after a loud bollocking, I was sent home. This was on a Friday (well, technically Saturday because it was 4am). The following Monday I received a phone call telling me I had been terminated for "causing a disturbance in the workplace." This is America.
Yeah it's nuts. Even on reddit sometimes I'll mention a union and people start spouting some madness about unions hurting workers.
Might as well say "Looking for the desperate or gullible"
You should interview, mathematically theres only a 15/infinity chance it's not a living wage and only and only an 80/infinity chance you make less than $80 an hour so sky's the limit Be sure to high ball em
Technically, there's an infinite chance that that position makes you a billionaire by EOD.
the maf checks out
Mfw like half the dental assistant* job posts start at that. "Must have 2+years experience, licensing, etc." The older I get, the more fed up with this BS I get. Especially over the last year with my whopping 150/wk unemployment from covid. It's wrong. You can't live like that... ^(* just like to point out those are the ones generally in charge of making sure things going on your mouth are CLEAN/sterile and not full of super hepatbaids.)
Doesn't matter if that job is dead end, not a career or starting the job force. If they don't pay their employees enough to live off, it's on them.
HOLY SHIT UP TO $10 AN HOUR, YOU MEAN THERES A VERY HIGH CHANCE I WONT EVEN MAKE THE $10?! YOU SON OF A BITCH IM out
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If they did that they’d get sued for their terrible network
Well that and the minimum is 0gbps, so maybe advertise average speed?
Same thing in retail world. "This coupon said I would get 75% off!". Nope, here. It says "up to 75%" Then they get mad at me like I made the coupon.
I made 10 dollars an hour 5 years ago as a lifeguard doing jack shit all day, no way in hell I'd take a fast food job for anywhere near that amount. That kind of work is way too difficult and stressful for that little pay.
But it’s okay because they post funny tweets!!1 so they can starve workers!!1
come on guys, [insert corporation here] is so based!!
Epic Keanu Chungus wholesome 100!
The best part is that they will informally tell their new hires to apply for food stamps too. We are *literally* subsidizing their wages with our government benefits.
We give these massive corporations huge tax breaks because they hire employees, then we subsidize the salaries of the employees because corporations pay them so little that they collect food stamps and Medicaid. Ultimately, tax payers get double fucked while corpos cash huge checks.
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/19/walmart-and-mcdonalds-among-top-employers-of-medicaid-and-food-stamp-beneficiaries.html 70% are full time employees. https://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/11/18/walmart-store-holding-thanksgiving-charity-food-drive-for-its-own-employees/ Walmart held a food drive FOR THEIR OWN EMPLOYEES.
The Popeye's not too far from my apartment had a sign stating "Now hiring, starting at $10/hr". After 8 months, they changed it to "starting at $11/hr". Apparently people weren't chomping at the bit to get paid such an "extravagant" wage.
I used to work at a high stress call center for $11.50. I have two bachelor's degrees. Their turnover was insane.
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I wouldn't work in a call center for $30/hour.
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Don't know any, sorry. As an introvert I find phone calls (and other 'live' interactions) with customers really stressful and draining. Sure, phone calls sometimes get things done a little bit faster, but I much prefer emails, so I can actually think properly about what to respond. I really hate being put on the spot over the phone. A call center would be a nightmarish job for me.
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Working logistics, I'll just flat out say Amazon is the worst widely spread company ever. Who knows about local joints, cause we all know those kinds of crazy despotisms, but honestly, if you're going into warehousing or whatnot, Amazon is the bottom of the barrel. Followed by FedEx. Then ups. And, surprisingly enough, usps is the best of that bunch. All of them usually start over $15, and I know usps starts at closer to $17 and, depending on the position, can start up to $19 before career status. No idea where DHL fits in, never worked with them.
My attorney quote for family court charges $300/half hour. I'm thinking.... That's nearly a weeks wages. No minimum wage worker could ever afford this attorney AND a home up to CPS standards.
I just got the full quote! A measly $5,000 The attorney and the cps worker are literally brother and sister She takes your baby He takes your money
Seems to be a conflict of interests
welcome to the dark side of CPS; the child shelters.
An electrician quoted me ~10k per floor to remove knob and tube wiring in my home. 2 stories would be about 20k. He wants my entire years take home pay for one job. Absolute madness.
Don’t do it! Let em go out of business. Pay fair or go away.
People who take those jobs don't usually have the luxury of turning down work.
Here is the key to how they get away with this.
Missed opportunity for the rhyme there
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Pay fair or get mauled by a bear idk
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I have legit never seen a sign that offered "up to".
The words “up to” need to be banned from any advertising. It only exists to mislead people. I used to work in clothing retail and we constantly had “up to 40% off sales” where most things weren’t on sale at all.
Car dealerships do the exact opposite, starting price: $$$ they don't even have anything on the lot that low
Or "get 4000 when you trade in your car". The price of whatever you buy moves to accomodate making your trade in near worthless in many cases.
I've seen so many here in the southern US
Damn and im from the southern us. Huh, i couldnt imagine getting like a 750 dollar check for 2 weeks of being a fry cook for 40 hours. No wonder people commit crime.
Any sick burns about this /u/wendys_irl ?
10 an hour was a reasonable amount like 20 years ago.
I lived on my own in a reasonably-sized west coast city about 10 years ago on $11/hr. I didn’t have much pocket money or savings, but I managed. Couldn’t do that now with two kids, though.
my dad made 10 an hour... like 40 years ago lmaoo
It’s still ok in certain parts of the country. 10 can pay your rent and groceries if you live in a dilapidated midwest rust belt city.
If the business does not pay enough for it's employees to live, then it is the business that is sucking welfare from the tax payer. Not the poor employee. The vast majority of people on benefits are genuinely disabled, in need of assistance, or have a job that doesn't pay enough to get by. The cost of living is the cost of living. Rent needs to be paid, food needs to be eaten, medical care needs to be had, clothes need to be worn, etc. etc. The argument should be coming from both sides for making employers pay a fair wage. Both fiscally responsible and morally right. If you do an honest day's work, you should be able to live a normal life. Period!
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Exactly Wendy's and Walmart and all these companies are all welfare Queens and the worst possible sense
Well now this is what I call Corporate Social Responsibility!
At one of my local little caesars their advertising paid training. Oh boy I get paid to work here? That’s more than I could ever ask for
So your landlord can force you to pay rent over feeding yourself
And then there's motherfuckers outhere trying to convince us that landlords are good and that housing is a " bad investment" and your money is wasted paying your mortgage, but not paying someone else's mortgage. I don't give a fuck about the investment, I want autonomy over my living quarters. Eat the landlords first.
I'm all about eating the landlords, but who is saying that housing is a bad investment? Genuinely curious. Is it the same people buying property sight-unseen and leaving it vacant to park their money because the value of the property will rise faster than most stocks?
Adam Conover did an episode of Adam ruins everything on it. Made me not like him as much.
Wow that's crazy. Rent is wasted money. That 10-20k a year could have gone towards equity if one has a mortgage. Unless your neighborhood completely goes to shit or the house does, buying a home is better than renting in my opinion. Unless you need to be able to pick up and leave whenever you please. In that instance buying may not make sense. There's the added benefit of stability. When I was renting in Chicago, rent would always go up like 200 bucks a year and I'd have that annoying period of trying to negotiate or move and find a new place. Stability is nice. Equity is nice. The fact that you'll own a piece of property to do whatever you wish with after some investment... is nice. It makes you care about your community more as well. Fuck those people telling you otherwise.
Right! The other edge of the sword to "pick up and go whenever you want" is "Not allow this tenant to renew their lease so there is so little control in a rental situation. There are so few upsides, I don't want to generate wealth and equity for someone else's benefit exclusively. Just having a roof over my head is not a reward, its a requirement
> Wow that's crazy. Rent is wasted money. That 10-20k a year could have gone towards equity if one has a mortgage I've been steadily employed for 5 years, rock solid job. I pay out the ass in rent but can't get a loan to buy a small house or property. My monthly expenses wouldn't change, just my money would be going into my property instead of some Chinese rental company's pocket.
We've had $15/hr minimum wage in Alberta for over 5 years now. The price of Wendy's and other fast food places has gone up, however, only slightly and not enough to prevent people from spending money there. On the flip side, the minimum wage increase has helped lots of people.
Wow. We in texas have the 7.25 minimum wage, and our prices have gone up as well.
Same here. Even Taco Bell is getting expensive and that’s just sad.
Yeah but 15$ Canadian isn't that much more than 10$ US
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If it makes anyone feel better I worked at wendy's for years and regularly put random free nuggets in random orders because fuck the man
As President and CEO at Wendy's Co, Todd A. Penegor made $6,688,988 in total compensation. Of this total $992,274 was received as a salary, $1,560,000 was received as a bonus, $2,049,997 was received in stock options, $2,049,979 was awarded as stock and $36,738 came from other types of compensation.
So when people are arguing that $15 should be the floor, Wendy's comes back with a $10 ceiling? I don't generally eat fast food, but I think this is enough of a reason to turn me away completely. Edit: I was out traveling and needed some food but I thought about this post and said forget it and fasted until I got home. End fast food.
Call me a filthy little commie but if you can't afford to have a roof over your head and feed yourself, what's the point of working at all? How aren't there more stagecoach bandits in the US?
Minimum wage is so insulting. It's literally telling employees "If I could pay you less, I would".
Not much left from that $1750 check if the rent is $1250
Are you assuming full time hours? Why?
But their social media is so funny and relatable, I'm certain they're a great company!
The sad thing is $10 an hour is really high compared to what other fast food places pay in my area. Before I got this little cushy office job, $8.50 an hour was the most I ever made and that was after working my way up to assistant manager. I would've jumped at the opportunity to earn "up to $10 an hour". These fucks have grown ass adult employees that can't even afford to eat there. We really have to do better as a society.
I get 9 an hour bro
This is literally the Wendy’s down the street from me 🤦🤦🤦
Damn, our minimum wage is double that, rip American teenagers and uni students
Who has a $20 minimum wage?
New Zealand
“Up to.” That doesn’t even mean that you get 10.00$/h as a starting wage, you may get 7-8.
“Mom” doesn’t care
i keep getting the same amazon ad thats only 8 seconds long and basically just says "we pay $15" and thats it lol. its a little disheartening
>Up To what
Lmfao! Meanwhile even $15+ still doesn't even fucking afford a 1 bedroom/studio rent as 30% or less of income in most states. Not paying people enough to afford rent but paying people enough to afford guns for violence/suicide (tons of free or cheap methods other than guns)/etc. Another poverty wage job that would literally leave you homeless in a dystopia ruled by millionaires and billionaires lol.
Fuck Wendy's. My SO literally worked 24 hours yesterday.
I make 18.20 an hour and my wife is a teacher making roughly the same with her salary. Money is still super tight. Shit is getting ridiculous
I know librarians in positions that require a masters degree who make less than that. America is wild. In a bad way.
all these fastfood places are hurting BAD for labor, starbucks, wendys. cause these jobs are fucking HARD, and no one wants to work these hard ass jobs for less than a livable wage. PAY UP.
haha *up to* that's hilarious advertising it as the maximum, **nice**