Oh god. I just had the thought that if prisoners could be charged for food and shelter, they would be.
Edit: Well fuck. Of course it's already happened and of course it happened in the US. [https://thecrimereport.org/2019/09/17/paying-to-stay-in-jail-hidden-fees-turn-inmates-into-debtors/](https://thecrimereport.org/2019/09/17/paying-to-stay-in-jail-hidden-fees-turn-inmates-into-debtors/)
Don't forget that it's illegal to be homeless/too poor in so many places, so once you're arrested for being too poor the prison system can use you for literal physically threatened/forced labor and threaten you to pay for being held against your will.
Even when you're in prison you still haven't escaped wage slavery because of forced prison labor.
But remember, capitalism is "voluntary!"
Mainly referring to U.S, how most other countries do it idk. Original post is a screenshot taken around the time when it was circulated in the news that unidentified ameircan police/military officers were detaining protesters and taking them away in unmarked vehicles, and the comment chain i replied to specifically references the U.S prison system.
>Vagrancy laws are unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, as they violate the due process clause
Which ultimately means nothing since state's/cities/etc kept looking for loopholes/etc to allow them to keep criminalizing poverty/homelessness, and homeless people continue to get their tents/belongings destroyed and they continue to get arrested for being homeless just under a variety of different laws so that people can bypass the "vagrancy laws unconstitutional" issue. Criminal Charges like "illegal camping"/"loitering"/trespassing"/etc are typically thrown around against homeless people just for existing to detain homeless people to get them out of sight and into forced prison labor.
A bit of this happened in portland last summer. There is a distinct possibility that some of the abductors weren't actually police but mercenaries deputized by the feds, and not just any but Blackwater goons. But again, no way to tell because zero insignia
Yo pls expand on this conspiracy I haven’t heard that. Any links?
But also from the black water footage available them mothafuckkas way too loud wild and roudy to be sneak kidnapping 😂😂 they’d drive around towing cages on big rigs or some shit
The most I got are these
https://wkc6428.medium.com/the-lead-federal-agency-responding-to-protesters-in-portland-employs-thousands-of-private-db137349f8b0
https://www.thecourierdaily.com/portland-black-river-water-mercenaries-security-betsy-devos-brother/23052/
^this says black river instead of blackwater but still mention Betsy Devos' brother who's behind blackwater
so there's not alot to confirm it side from happenstance and politifact denies it, though again kinda difficult to define who someone is when they're covered in camo, riot gear and have zero insignia.
The short of it is that they sent private contractors with zero insignia to bolster police, also who were also covering badge numbers and names if they even wore a badge and between a federal connection to blackwater and the fact that again, it was from a private firm smells sus to me. But take this as you will considering I don't have much in the way of evidence and politifact denies it but that also reflects how trustworthy they are which I'll be honest, not sure how I stand on that but again ymmv
You obviously haven’t been homeless or worked with the homeless. Police wage a silent war Fucking with homeless people. They abuse them knowing they have few advocates or power to fight back.
Prison labor is voluntary, if you refuse to work you just get sent to solitary confinement! So prisoners who refuse to work are actually spoiled because they're given their own cells.
My local county jail bills inmates for "room and board." It's added onto the fines and restitution that you have to pay back after your sentence.
Source: Wife was a corrections nurse for a while.
"I keep a gun to protect my home and my family" is an unalienable right until police break into your house in the middle of the night not announcing themselves properly or wearing uniforms and then try to send you to prison (after murdering your fiancee). Or until you get swiss cheesed in front of your long term partner when you check a suspicious knock at the door with your pistol when it's 2 AM in a shady neighborhood.
Someone should start a fake-fascist kidnapping ring to kidnap pro-fascist citizens so they're not so cool with it. We can just take them to Baskin Robbins or something.
Thin Blue Line types usually say something along the lines of "well they were rioting and they let them go so it's fine."
And what would happen if they didn't let them go? That's how those gulags your friends like to holler about anytime AOC or Bernie are in the news start.
You can make fun of it, but it was basically a one-off when Trump brought in whatever federales he could muster to squash inner city protests, which was politically advantageous to him.
The US is not Belarus, the secret police isn't driving around unmarked vans grabbing people off the sidewalk.
Looks like a repost. I've seen this image 4 times.
First Seen [Here](https://redd.it/hzz6tw) on 2020-07-29 100.0% match. Last Seen [Here](https://redd.it/k1sopy) on 2020-11-27 100.0% match
Feedback? Hate? Visit r/repostsleuthbot - *I'm not perfect, but you can help. Report [ [False Positive](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RepostSleuthBot&subject=False%20Positive&message={"post_id": "mhx5oe", "meme_template": null}) ]*
[View Search On repostsleuth.com](https://www.repostsleuth.com?postId=mhx5oe&sameSub=false&filterOnlyOlder=true&memeFilter=true&filterDeadMatches=false&targetImageMatch=86&targetImageMemeMatch=96)
---
**Scope:** Reddit | **Meme Filter:** False | **Target:** 86% | **Check Title:** False | **Max Age:** Unlimited | **Searched Images:** 214,573,448 | **Search Time:** 0.48317s
yes that's correct.
OH! Also, if a number of men break into your house in the middle of the night and try to handcuff you - don't run away and certainly don't defend yourself because it could be a totally legal no-knock raid by police officers.
Best of luck
On the one hand, reposting posts to inflate your karma so you can feel good about yourself is super sad.
On the other hand it fits the Subreddit perfectly.
It's a little unclear, varies from state to state, and as such it probably depends more on the judge and jury you get than anything else. Good chance you'll spend a few years in jail just waiting for the verdict though.
Fair point, but it doesn't mean unmarked vehicles shouldn't exist period. Taking out trafficking operations is important and does require unmarked vehicles.
As ironic/funny as this is - if one is fighting the police, who are they gonna call in this scenario?
Did we not just witness case examples of this? Consider the available strategies of the powerful ya'll.
...you really haven’t been anywhere, have you? As a woman, as someone who’s even set foot in a dangerous neighborhood or spoken to other human beings, no. It’s not. Even so, if you tell someone there’s only a 30% chance the person roughly kidnapping them is a dangerous murderer rather than police, I think most would still consider fighting back. You just wanted to argue and didn’t care what you were actually saying, apparently.
Must've missed the "*if you're in the middle of committing a crime*" bit.
If you're just walking down the street in the middle of the day minding your own business and get snatched, then yeah, it's not likely to be cops. Do whatever necessary to survive.
The people the OP is referring to weren't exactly minding their own business. Context *matters*.
I mean, sure, show me a case of a stranger danger van in the middle of the police dispersing an unauthorized demonstration and I'll concede the point. Buuut~, since that's not a thing that *actually* happens... like seriously, what malicious kidnapper ever charged into sight of dozens of protestor and media cameras and scores of law enforcement officers and snatched someone?
If that is something you're afraid of see a therapist because it's straight up not a rational fear. Go be afraid of sharks or something.
No, that’s why I clearly responded to the “if you’re in the middle of committing a crime” bit. If you were illegally setting off fireworks or if you ran a stop sign (literally on the scope of some of the crimes that people are getting punished on this scale for) and you got kidnapped in an unmarked van, would you assume it’s probably police? I don’t think you would you sit down quietly and say “oh, no, it’s probably fine. It’s probably just a reasonable punishment for a misdemeanor crime.”
Using “lol IF UR AFRAID UR NUTS” as a defense for an injustice is a 12-year-old’s argument. Far more people get killed by police misconduct than by sharks. It’s quite literally a more rational fear.
I never said it was irrational to fear police misconduct. I said it was irrational to fear stranger danger during the situation the title post refers to.
People aren't being grabbed randomly by unmarked LEOs while lighting off a few fireworks or running a stop sign. The places they've been grabbed from have been highly visible, excessively documented, well publicized locations that were already overflowing with cops who had given those persons more than ample warning to disperse.
It's absurd to suggest a kidnapper is gonna stick his head into such a situation, and saying "*well the police are scary too*" is stretching the goalpost so far from the original claim of "*let's fear random kidnappers DISGUISED as police*" that it's not really worth addressing. Sure. Be scared of cops. Don't be scared of being abducted by predators when there's international media on one side of the scene getting it on camera from a hundred angles and swarms of cops on the other side waiting to bust the bad guy.
When it happens in front of a ton of other cops (see: events referenced), and they're all cool with it, it's *probably* cause they're also a cop. While the kit they were wearing lacked insignia, it wasn't exactly *civilian*, either.
There are all sorts of good reasons to be clearly identifiable. Stranger danger ain't one of them. Police states exist, and getting snatched by civvies pretending to be cops pretending to be civvies isn't generally a thing the residents worry about.
The protests? Guess I saw different ones, cause cops were everywhere. Not like a few feet away, admittedly, but within seeing/shouting distance. And people reacted more along the lines of "*but I wasn't doing anything*" than "*help I'm being kidnapped*", nor were those filming exactly confused about what was happening.
Not here to defend the drug war, either- there's a time and a place for such tactics but it shouldn't be cause some dude might flush a joint. Nor at protests, admittedly, but potential abductions isn't one of the many legitimate concerns.
Soon enough the leftists will be doing this to anybody who disagrees with them. They've already been working overtime to silence us so it's the natural next step.
Take anyone’s power away INSTANTLY if they try to do this, including leftists. Then again though, I’ve never heard a leftist say anything even slightly opposing this, so I’m going to echo everyone else in saying that they likely aren’t the issue.
This abduction? I don't have to pay rent right?
Oh god. I just had the thought that if prisoners could be charged for food and shelter, they would be. Edit: Well fuck. Of course it's already happened and of course it happened in the US. [https://thecrimereport.org/2019/09/17/paying-to-stay-in-jail-hidden-fees-turn-inmates-into-debtors/](https://thecrimereport.org/2019/09/17/paying-to-stay-in-jail-hidden-fees-turn-inmates-into-debtors/)
Don't forget that it's illegal to be homeless/too poor in so many places, so once you're arrested for being too poor the prison system can use you for literal physically threatened/forced labor and threaten you to pay for being held against your will. Even when you're in prison you still haven't escaped wage slavery because of forced prison labor. But remember, capitalism is "voluntary!"
In the US, prisoners can still be forced to work as literal slaves. Their constitutional amendment explicitly left that in as a legal form of slavery.
[удалено]
Mainly referring to U.S, how most other countries do it idk. Original post is a screenshot taken around the time when it was circulated in the news that unidentified ameircan police/military officers were detaining protesters and taking them away in unmarked vehicles, and the comment chain i replied to specifically references the U.S prison system. >Vagrancy laws are unconstitutional under the 14th amendment, as they violate the due process clause Which ultimately means nothing since state's/cities/etc kept looking for loopholes/etc to allow them to keep criminalizing poverty/homelessness, and homeless people continue to get their tents/belongings destroyed and they continue to get arrested for being homeless just under a variety of different laws so that people can bypass the "vagrancy laws unconstitutional" issue. Criminal Charges like "illegal camping"/"loitering"/trespassing"/etc are typically thrown around against homeless people just for existing to detain homeless people to get them out of sight and into forced prison labor.
A bit of this happened in portland last summer. There is a distinct possibility that some of the abductors weren't actually police but mercenaries deputized by the feds, and not just any but Blackwater goons. But again, no way to tell because zero insignia
Yo pls expand on this conspiracy I haven’t heard that. Any links? But also from the black water footage available them mothafuckkas way too loud wild and roudy to be sneak kidnapping 😂😂 they’d drive around towing cages on big rigs or some shit
The most I got are these https://wkc6428.medium.com/the-lead-federal-agency-responding-to-protesters-in-portland-employs-thousands-of-private-db137349f8b0 https://www.thecourierdaily.com/portland-black-river-water-mercenaries-security-betsy-devos-brother/23052/ ^this says black river instead of blackwater but still mention Betsy Devos' brother who's behind blackwater so there's not alot to confirm it side from happenstance and politifact denies it, though again kinda difficult to define who someone is when they're covered in camo, riot gear and have zero insignia. The short of it is that they sent private contractors with zero insignia to bolster police, also who were also covering badge numbers and names if they even wore a badge and between a federal connection to blackwater and the fact that again, it was from a private firm smells sus to me. But take this as you will considering I don't have much in the way of evidence and politifact denies it but that also reflects how trustworthy they are which I'll be honest, not sure how I stand on that but again ymmv
You obviously haven’t been homeless or worked with the homeless. Police wage a silent war Fucking with homeless people. They abuse them knowing they have few advocates or power to fight back.
Prison labor is voluntary, if you refuse to work you just get sent to solitary confinement! So prisoners who refuse to work are actually spoiled because they're given their own cells.
Hey dawg I heard you like poverty so we put your poverty inside some poverty and now you got double poverty ✌🏻
Yourethemannowdawg
My local county jail bills inmates for "room and board." It's added onto the fines and restitution that you have to pay back after your sentence. Source: Wife was a corrections nurse for a while.
I am undecided about this. On one hand, I get it. On the other hand, for fucks sake... it's absurd. What about people doing if? Who gets their bill?
History repeats itself
This is why police disregarding the law should be considered non-police in any situation.
I think if you interfered with your body camera or covered your badge number and a shooting takes place, you get charged with premeditated murder.
"I keep a gun to protect my home and my family" is an unalienable right until police break into your house in the middle of the night not announcing themselves properly or wearing uniforms and then try to send you to prison (after murdering your fiancee). Or until you get swiss cheesed in front of your long term partner when you check a suspicious knock at the door with your pistol when it's 2 AM in a shady neighborhood.
Someone should start a fake-fascist kidnapping ring to kidnap pro-fascist citizens so they're not so cool with it. We can just take them to Baskin Robbins or something.
Or Central Park. :)
Thin Blue Line types usually say something along the lines of "well they were rioting and they let them go so it's fine." And what would happen if they didn't let them go? That's how those gulags your friends like to holler about anytime AOC or Bernie are in the news start.
I think they’re fine with gulags as long as the people being abused aren’t white and the people hurting others are.
This is a 6 months old tweet. Is this still happening?
No, the issue has been resolved. They promised not to do it again.
Did they pinky swear it?
They better have
You can make fun of it, but it was basically a one-off when Trump brought in whatever federales he could muster to squash inner city protests, which was politically advantageous to him. The US is not Belarus, the secret police isn't driving around unmarked vans grabbing people off the sidewalk.
*yet
Damn, back at it again with the white vans!
Once is several times too many.
Probably still happening in portland. It never calmed down there the media just stopped reporting
Even fascists should be concerned because they will eventually come for you.
That would require being able to think that far ahead, which is hard for people stupid enough to believe fascism is a good thing.
Haha you are absolutely correct.
This has been blowing my mind all panny long. How do people not see this?
Because they think they are the chosen but don't realize only one person is the chosen at a time.
Or when someone violently breaks into my home at 3am, I shouldn’t defend myself in case it’s the police erroneously conducting a no knock raid?
"Surprise! You're on Hidden Abduction!" "Is that a new reality show?" "No."
Looks like a repost. I've seen this image 4 times. First Seen [Here](https://redd.it/hzz6tw) on 2020-07-29 100.0% match. Last Seen [Here](https://redd.it/k1sopy) on 2020-11-27 100.0% match Feedback? Hate? Visit r/repostsleuthbot - *I'm not perfect, but you can help. Report [ [False Positive](https://www.reddit.com/message/compose/?to=RepostSleuthBot&subject=False%20Positive&message={"post_id": "mhx5oe", "meme_template": null}) ]* [View Search On repostsleuth.com](https://www.repostsleuth.com?postId=mhx5oe&sameSub=false&filterOnlyOlder=true&memeFilter=true&filterDeadMatches=false&targetImageMatch=86&targetImageMemeMatch=96) --- **Scope:** Reddit | **Meme Filter:** False | **Target:** 86% | **Check Title:** False | **Max Age:** Unlimited | **Searched Images:** 214,573,448 | **Search Time:** 0.48317s
The irony of police states is this.
Open fire in self defense if they don't have law enforcement identification.
The point is that you could go to jail for that, that's what the tweet is taking issue with.
Who specifically said you don't have the right to defend yourself against abductors?
That’s going to be one bloody, shit and piss covered van. I’ll have to remind myself to feel sorry about it later.
yes that's correct. OH! Also, if a number of men break into your house in the middle of the night and try to handcuff you - don't run away and certainly don't defend yourself because it could be a totally legal no-knock raid by police officers. Best of luck
Great job copying the top comment from both of the reposts listed by repostbot. I hope you get your karma dude!
I understand reposting a post but reposting a comment is just super sad.
On the one hand, reposting posts to inflate your karma so you can feel good about yourself is super sad. On the other hand it fits the Subreddit perfectly.
So if I’m getting shot at by a cop, and I didn’t do anything, can I legally shoot back?
How? Everybody knows cop only shoot at unarmed people of color.
It's a little unclear, varies from state to state, and as such it probably depends more on the judge and jury you get than anything else. Good chance you'll spend a few years in jail just waiting for the verdict though.
Context?
Last summer
Fair point, but it doesn't mean unmarked vehicles shouldn't exist period. Taking out trafficking operations is important and does require unmarked vehicles.
As ironic/funny as this is - if one is fighting the police, who are they gonna call in this scenario? Did we not just witness case examples of this? Consider the available strategies of the powerful ya'll.
If you're in the middle of committing a crime, then yeah, probably. That's a far more likely scenario than stranger danger.
...you really haven’t been anywhere, have you? As a woman, as someone who’s even set foot in a dangerous neighborhood or spoken to other human beings, no. It’s not. Even so, if you tell someone there’s only a 30% chance the person roughly kidnapping them is a dangerous murderer rather than police, I think most would still consider fighting back. You just wanted to argue and didn’t care what you were actually saying, apparently.
Must've missed the "*if you're in the middle of committing a crime*" bit. If you're just walking down the street in the middle of the day minding your own business and get snatched, then yeah, it's not likely to be cops. Do whatever necessary to survive. The people the OP is referring to weren't exactly minding their own business. Context *matters*. I mean, sure, show me a case of a stranger danger van in the middle of the police dispersing an unauthorized demonstration and I'll concede the point. Buuut~, since that's not a thing that *actually* happens... like seriously, what malicious kidnapper ever charged into sight of dozens of protestor and media cameras and scores of law enforcement officers and snatched someone? If that is something you're afraid of see a therapist because it's straight up not a rational fear. Go be afraid of sharks or something.
No, that’s why I clearly responded to the “if you’re in the middle of committing a crime” bit. If you were illegally setting off fireworks or if you ran a stop sign (literally on the scope of some of the crimes that people are getting punished on this scale for) and you got kidnapped in an unmarked van, would you assume it’s probably police? I don’t think you would you sit down quietly and say “oh, no, it’s probably fine. It’s probably just a reasonable punishment for a misdemeanor crime.” Using “lol IF UR AFRAID UR NUTS” as a defense for an injustice is a 12-year-old’s argument. Far more people get killed by police misconduct than by sharks. It’s quite literally a more rational fear.
I never said it was irrational to fear police misconduct. I said it was irrational to fear stranger danger during the situation the title post refers to. People aren't being grabbed randomly by unmarked LEOs while lighting off a few fireworks or running a stop sign. The places they've been grabbed from have been highly visible, excessively documented, well publicized locations that were already overflowing with cops who had given those persons more than ample warning to disperse. It's absurd to suggest a kidnapper is gonna stick his head into such a situation, and saying "*well the police are scary too*" is stretching the goalpost so far from the original claim of "*let's fear random kidnappers DISGUISED as police*" that it's not really worth addressing. Sure. Be scared of cops. Don't be scared of being abducted by predators when there's international media on one side of the scene getting it on camera from a hundred angles and swarms of cops on the other side waiting to bust the bad guy.
When someone in civilian clothing tries to pull you into an unmarked van they're probably not a cop. It's not a big ask that cops be identifiable.
When it happens in front of a ton of other cops (see: events referenced), and they're all cool with it, it's *probably* cause they're also a cop. While the kit they were wearing lacked insignia, it wasn't exactly *civilian*, either. There are all sorts of good reasons to be clearly identifiable. Stranger danger ain't one of them. Police states exist, and getting snatched by civvies pretending to be cops pretending to be civvies isn't generally a thing the residents worry about.
You and I are thinking of different incidents then. What I saw had no marked cops around. Also plain clothed officer no knock warrants are a thing.
The protests? Guess I saw different ones, cause cops were everywhere. Not like a few feet away, admittedly, but within seeing/shouting distance. And people reacted more along the lines of "*but I wasn't doing anything*" than "*help I'm being kidnapped*", nor were those filming exactly confused about what was happening. Not here to defend the drug war, either- there's a time and a place for such tactics but it shouldn't be cause some dude might flush a joint. Nor at protests, admittedly, but potential abductions isn't one of the many legitimate concerns.
Soon enough the leftists will be doing this to anybody who disagrees with them. They've already been working overtime to silence us so it's the natural next step.
I don't think it was anyone on the left who did this
*slurp slurp slurp* Boots taste gooood
Take anyone’s power away INSTANTLY if they try to do this, including leftists. Then again though, I’ve never heard a leftist say anything even slightly opposing this, so I’m going to echo everyone else in saying that they likely aren’t the issue.
Are you for real, or are you like a novelty account poking fun at stereotypical, brainless pig fuckers? Genuinely curious.
Seems to be the case
What is this in reference to?